Kravitz: "growing Disconnect Between Ryan Grigson And Chuck Pagano"

[JH8788]

Our staff didn't necessarily do anything noteworthy to beat the Broncos, but their game plans were woefully uninspired on both sides of the ball.

I never said they did, but everything I said in how/why we beat Denver was straight facts. After the 1st qtr, we outscored them 24-6. That's a strangle hold like I said. 

[amfootball]

Top of my head:

Urban Meyer

Nick Saban

Mike Vrabel lol

Urban Meyer would be interesting. What do you think of him?

 

Mike Vrabel   

[BOTT]

Urban Meyer would be interesting. What do you think of him?

 

Mike Vrabel

I don't really care for the guy, but his track record is pretty amazing.

Damn Hardknocks, now I like two former Patriots.

[grmasterb]

Urban Meyer would be interesting. What do you think of him?

 

Mike Vrabel

As an Ohio State fan, I think he's wonderful. I don't see why he would want to leave Columbus, though.

[bababooey]

Nick Saban basically said over the weekend "if you have a franchise QB I might be interested in coaching your team."

[BOTT]

As an Ohio State fan, I think he's wonderful. I don't see why he would want to leave Columbus, though.

Same reason other respected coaches leave for,the NFL.

[Johnhenry]

I never said they did, but everything I said in how/why we beat Denver was straight facts. After the 1st qtr, we outscored them 24-6. That's a strangle hold like I said. 

That game got their coach fired. I think that says it all.

[Johnhenry]

Top of my head:

Urban Meyer

Nick Saban

Mike Vrabel lol

I do not think Irsay would pay the money the first two would demand and I doubt that he would consider anyone with a Patriot connection. Hiring another defense coordinator is most likely.

[BOTT]

I do not think Irsay would pay the money the first two would demand and I doubt that he would consider anyone with a Patriot connection. Hiring another defense coordinator is most likely.

He has made few players the highest paid players at their position....what makes you think he would be cheap when hiring a coach? Or just throwing a out more garbage?

[Superman]

I never said they did, but everything I said in how/why we beat Denver was straight facts. After the 1st qtr, we outscored them 24-6. That's a strangle hold like I said. 

 

Yeah. I know there's a lot of arguing around here, but I was agreeing with you. 

[ColtsFan1976]

I tell you one thing, if the Colts season is not very good and either do not make the playoffs or lose in the first round, the only disconnect between the two will be who helps who pack up each other's house when  they both get fired.  This season is it for the both of them in my opinion. 

[colts8718]

I don't think anything would surprise us fans at this point.

I never liked either one

[Johnhenry]

He has made few players the highest paid players at their position....what makes you think he would be cheap when hiring a coach? Or just throwing a out more garbage?

He has not made a habit of hiring name coaches. Dungy was an exception. I don't have any problem with what he has done, it has worked for the most part. I was just commenting that I don't think bringing in a big name college coach is an option for Irsay.

[Dustin]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/09/07/chuck-pagano-ryan-grigson-indianapolis-colts-rift-relationship-2015/71841016/

It was Grigson's decision to change starting centers

[JH8788]

Yeah. I know there's a lot of arguing around here, but I was agreeing with you. 

Oops my fault. Didn't mean to come at you sideways.

[JH8788]

That game got their coach fired. I think that says it all.

That was their 2nd home 1 & done in the last 3 seasons. Somebody's head had to roll. What did you expect Elway to do? Cut bait with Peyton?

[James]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/07/report-grigson-makes-decisions-against-paganos-wishes/

[Deathiltis]

This storyline was old a long time ago. Now it's just annoying. These writers need to grow up and if I read another comment on PFT I might lose whatever remaining faith I have in humanity.

[indy1888]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/09/07/chuck-pagano-ryan-grigson-indianapolis-colts-rift-relationship-2015/71841016/

It was Grigson's decision to change starting centers

 

Phil Wilson said that last year when it happened. Looks like he was indeed correct.

[chrisfarley]

Nick Saban basically said over the weekend "if you have a franchise QB I might be interested in coaching your team."

to the Colts he shall come (if we lay an egg this year).

[21isSuperman]

For anyone interested, Pagano and Grigson have both recently denied there being any rift between them

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000524022/article/colts-ryan-grigson-chuck-pagano-deny-rift

[Jason_]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/09/07/chuck-pagano-ryan-grigson-indianapolis-colts-rift-relationship-2015/71841016/

It was Grigson's decision to change starting centers

 

If that is true, then my opinion of Grigson has dropped somewhat.

[Buck Showalter]

He has not made a habit of hiring name coaches. Dungy was an exception. I don't have any problem with what he has done, it has worked for the most part. I was just commenting that I don't think bringing in a big name college coach is an option for Irsay.

Huh???

Jim pretty much took over when Robert passed away. Since that time the coaches have been Mora, Dungy, Caldwell, & now Pagano, so no Dungy wasn't an exception....

Mora was a very well known commodity, & Caldwell was promoted from within...

[Gavin]

If that is true, then my opinion of Grigson has dropped somewhat.

Meh Shipley was not nearly as good as many on the forum made him out to be, He missed on multiple line calls(Which can be known by looking at how the defense lines up and how the O Line shifts to cover the defense overloaded to one side. Many times if they don't its because either the Center just did not see it. Also he missed on some late blitzes.). Harrison does have the bigger upside as well(stronger and just as mobile.)He has snapping issues and it don't matter what the line call is if you cant snap the ball

 

I think Harrison should have continued to start and learn honestly, Growing pains would have been had and were being had but we all know Shipley is, A decent back up Center

[Jason_]

Meh Shipley was not nearly as good as many on the forum made him out to be, He missed on multiple line calls(Which can be known by looking at how the defense lines up and how the O Line shifts to cover the defense overloaded to one side. Many times if they don't its because either the Center just did not see it. Also he missed on some late blitzes.). Harrison does have the bigger upside as well(stronger and just as mobile.)He has snapping issues and it don't matter what the line call is if you cant snap the ball

 

I think Harrison should have continued to start and learn honestly, Growing pains would have been had and were being had but we all know Shipley is, A decent back up Center

 

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I meant if Grigson is forcing depth chart changes in general...not specifically to the Shipley/Harrison situation.  

[Gavin]

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I meant if Grigson is forcing depth chart changes in general...not specifically to the Shipley/Harrison situation.  

 To me its a case by case basis, Example: If Samson Satele was still on the team and we have Holmes on the roster and lets say Grigson wants Holmes to start but Pagano likes Satele starting then Im siding the Grigson

[aReggie7]

 To me its a case by case basis, Example: If Samson Satele was still on the team and we have Holmes on the roster and lets say Grigson wants Holmes to start but Pagano likes Satele starting then Im siding the Grigson

 

I understand your point but I don't think it is ever a good situation if your GM is micro managing your coaching staff like that. If Grigson feels the need to interject himself in coaching decisions such as this (on a regular basis) I think that is a bad sign. It means you have a GM who doesn't trust the coaching staff (which isn't good) or you have a coaching staff that can't be trusted. (not good either)

 

I realize there are situations (like the theoretical one you described) where you want Grigson to step in and overrule the coaching staff. I don't think the ends justify the means though.

 

With that said I don't know how much of this is true or to what extent. It is concerning though.

Edited September 8, 2015 by 21isSuperman