get him out of there

[rockywoj]

There have been quite a few punts this year where Whalen didn't call for the fair catch with guys right on top of him. Before his late game blunder fumble today, he had been lucky that his questionable judgement in not calling for fair catches had not cost him previous to today. Really bad decision today, late, inside the 20 yard line. Bad job on the earlier punt that he didn't field as well. And bad decision running out that last kickoff from deep in the end zone.

I agree with some earlier posts, if you take away his safe / reliable factor, then I think there are better options, especially on kick-offs.

[twfish]

No to TY and not sure about Boom. The other two I'm sure are better returners with the ball in their hands and I think it's safe to say they can be smarter than Griff has been to this point. This was the first game that Griff's questionable fielding/not fair catching has hurt us but he has made dumb choices in other games as well and, again, it's not like he's a playmaker as a returner.

Dont get me wrong if we had someone that was going to be phenomenally better in every aspect im for it but there really isnt

[twfish]

Moncrief- "A man with no experience". There are a lot of young players who make their money on special teams. Yeah, we are developing him for the future, but remember. T.Y. returned kicks when he was "A man with no experience"

"Boom" Herron- "Who doesn't have as good of hands"- How can you make that judgement? Herron would be fine returning kicks.

Purifoy- "Boneheaded"- Between Purifoy, Sergio and Studebaker those are our 3 best special teams players.

T.Y.- I'm up in the air about this. I'd rather him not get injured.

You can't hit home runs when you're bunting. It's awful, but today not having a return man would have LITERALLY been better than having Griff Whalen. One less turnover and a touchback versus the Ravens getting the ball and starting at the 16.

Reason I talk about booms hands is because he did muff a couple in training camp.

Forget purifoy fumbling a punt in the preseason?

The coaches really havent expressed any desire to have moncreif fielding and id personally like to see someone more disposable do it

[Big Red]

Maybe just a bad a day, but I'm worried about his health. He took a couple shots. Many more and Colts will be paying his hospital bills.

[NewEra]

What has any other Returner shown for that matter? you put the guy with the surest hands back there, That don't mean he will catch 100% of all balls but history now shows 1 botched catch out of several now...Bad snap...If it continues then ya have a real problem but 1 does not equal a problem

If we want him just to sit back on punt returns and just catch the ball cool. But I really liked what I saw from Purifoy during preseason. He can still catch the ball but was more dynamic after the catch.

[mintor]

griff whalen is not good at returning kicks. first time mussup get a pass second time you bench him. try new person in this game. 

[Dark_Indy]

Reason I talk about booms hands is because he did muff a couple in training camp.

Forget purifoy fumbling a punt in the preseason?

The coaches really havent expressed any desire to have moncreif fielding and id personally like to see someone more disposable do it

 

Oh boy- we sure can't have Purifoy returning punts because he missed one punt in a game that doesn't matter. 

 

But then, Whalen screwed up what? Twice, three times in this game? This one actually matters.

[twfish]

Oh boy- we sure can't have Purifoy returning punts because he missed one punt in a game that doesn't matter.

But then, Whalen screwed up what? Twice, three times in this game? This one actually matters.

Ahhh im glad to see you picking up on that figured no one would.. see people will demand purifoy return when he made the same mistakes.... so between purifoy and Whalen who would you rather see return? A guy who made the mistake in the first game or two or a guy who didnt make a mistake like that until the 5th regular game?

[deedub75]

Griff does good job on punt returns - not sure I like him on kicks offs.

 

He did make a bone headed play taking the one out from 9yds deep - that one mistake does NOT mean replace him though!

 

That fumble IMO wasn't a mistake - I'll let it slide.

 

The fumble was a mistake because he should have called a fair catch in that situation.  He also let a punt fall in front of him and it bounced deep into Colts territory. 

[ColtJ82]

Griff should just be a fair catch specialist

[RomanianColtsFan]

It looks to me like some people who do not like Griff have waited for one bad game to crucify him.

There were other people who made mistakes today, Luck, Bradshaw, the new center who should not be a starter, bur of all people we need to take it out on Griff? He's played well so far, last week he recovered the onside kick and everybody was happy.

[House]

It looks to me like some people who do not like Griff have waited for one bad game to crucify him.

There were other people who made mistakes today, Luck, Bradshaw, the new center who should not be a starter, bur of all people we need to take it out on Griff? He's played well so far, last week he recovered the onside kick and everybody was happy.

He didn't have just one mistake though. His whole game was off today. There were no positives to outweigh the negative like the others you've mentioned.

His ceiling is very low, so when he makes mistakes, it leads many to want to find alternatives. It's an upgradable position, I'm not sure an argument could be made against that.

[Defjamz26]

Might be something to look at now, and again in the offseason. Deji Kareem wasn't too bad, and he took one to the house once.

[GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE]

Griff should just be a fair catch specialist

In Essence that's exactly what he is. .. If he doesn't he may get us 5 yds... even when he had that "touchdown" it took him all night to get there lol

[GOCOLTS_ROLLTIDE]

I'm Not taking a shot at his receiving ability or hands or route running. .... The guy sucks at returning whether he had a bad game or not. .... He still sucks. Now can someone show me otherwise

[RomanianColtsFan]

He didn't have just one mistake though. His whole game was off today. There were no positives to outweigh the negative like the others you've mentioned.

His ceiling is very low, so when he makes mistakes, it leads many to want to find alternatives. It's an upgradable position, I'm not sure an argument could be made against that.

I am pretty sure both you and I are "upgradable" commodities as well. How does that sound?

[Dr. Guildo]

Griff tries to field kicks with defenders right in his face it is scary to watch him.

[Dark_Indy]

Ahhh im glad to see you picking up on that figured no one would.. see people will demand purifoy return when he made the same mistakes.... so between purifoy and Whalen who would you rather see return? A guy who made the mistake in the first game or two or a guy who didnt make a mistake like that until the 5th regular game?

 

 

We know what Griff brings to the table at KR and PR. At best, a safe option that doesn't gain many yards, but we start deep in our own territory. At worst, the other team has the ball.

 

Why not try someone else? No one is going to change the "At worst", but someone may change the "at best". Griff has hit his ceiling returning kicks. There is no improvement there- none. I'll even go so far as to say with his style- trying to field kicks when the defenders are within five yards, and returning kicks from deep, that he was LUCKY that this hasn't happened before. 

[ThaCaliColt]

Decent depth at receiver, but more of a liability as a returner than an asset. For God's sake, get Purifoy or Moncrief in there.

[Buck Showalter]

Eh...

It wasnt Griffs day, but i like him hes had some decent returns the good ones just always get negated by a stupid penalty

[ricker182]

The fumble was a mistake because he should have called a fair catch in that situation.  He also let a punt fall in front of him and it bounced deep into Colts territory. 

It should have never been a fumble. He had lost all forward progress, was pushed back 3-4 yards then was hit by 2 Ravens players resulting in the fumble.   

There's no way the play should have been extended that long. The refs really blew today.

[jbaron04]

He never did in college so its not really a safe bet to let him do it now

I get your point but that kid can move, whalen is just to slow and he is a bonehead, he is lucky Rogers messed up first other he be out after that game

[twfish]

I get your point but that kid can move, whalen is just to slow and he is a bonehead, he is lucky Rogers messed up first other he be out after that game

I seriously doubt that... I think Whalen is very smart (he did graduate from Stanford) and I also beleive you camt give up on a guy after 1 game..

[IndyD4U]

[ProblChld32]

I argued this a couple weeks ago lol, there were a few people who said they prefer Griff because he was "Sure Handed". Im ok with someone with Decent hands but more speed back there. So i agree with those who are lobbying for Purifoy.

[GoColts8818]

I am ok if they try someone new but I just don't think they feel they have someone better.