Mathis suspended first 4 games of 2014.

[Dustin]

A dongo ate you're baby

Genius.

[dgambill]

My main issue with nfl is that they collectively bargained for hgh testing and got it yet still haven't put anything in place and that issue is MUCH bigger problem. They don't because they know the pandora a box will be terrible when they open it.

[Superman]

I think his quote is directed at all those outraged he got suspended as we're mine. Same people that hate on other teams yet CANT accept it happening to one of ours. Not u or those that have had very reasonable responses to this.

 

Then don't say "we would all be saying..." 'We all' includes me. 

[PrincetonTiger]

My projection

Werner and Newsome will get more rush chances but Adongo will get the most playing time

[Superman]

Well, hopefully the Rams would be willing to trade you guys Michael Sam. That guy is getting on my nerves, not because he's gay, but because of the media attention. Ya'll can have him. He's no Mathis, but not many guys are.

 

Seriously though, take him please.

 

He's a hypocrite. "I don't want to be known as Michael Sam, the gay football player..." but he'll hide his documentary from the league and the team, knowing full well that it is going to highlight him as "the gay football player." I don't care about his orientation or even about the locker room response; I think that's all overblown. But don't talk about how you don't want this extra attention, and then fully embrace it like this.

[Superman]

You can reject it or accept it but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

 

There has to be some sort of policy against PEDs or PED usage would get out of control to the point where athletes seriously hurt or even kill themselves.  There's just no way to control the PED usage if PEDs were allowed.  Athletes would just take higher and higher dosages to try the gain an advantage over the next athlete.  These drugs are controlled for a reason - to keep average people like me and you from having uncontrolled access to these drugs and doing harm to our bodies. Without a physician monitoring the usage of these drugs and people getting blood tested on a regular basis, these drugs are very dangerous. 

 

In fact, people who have taken PEDs like steroids or testosterone injections become infertile.  Their testes shut down.  Then when they actually want to have a child they can't.  They have to go to a fertility specialist and admit they've taken steroids illegally and then have to take drugs like clomid or HCG to try to "restart" their testes. 

 

I'm sure people cheat. I'm not sure Robert Mathis wasn't cheating.

 

What I reject is the assertion that, because I'm not ready to string him up, that I'm a homer hypocrite.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Mathis is so good he doesn't need them, I would look at the doctor records ans decide then, but if you make exception for Robert you open up all kind of stuff on later case's and the Seattle adarel stuff with there DB"S

[Dustin]

I'm not well-versed in steroids tbh, but wouldn't him being on a cycle during the season severly affect his game? From my understanding he would have pretty severe cramping during a cycle and it would be more likely he was doing it during the offseason when he could limit his running?

Because him using Clomid to mask his steroid use (that would have been during the season) would be unlikely if I understand correctly.

[PrincetonTiger]

Then don't say "we would all be saying..." 'We all' includes me.

I feel the same way while I might be breathing a sigh of relief I would never cheer a suspension for someone like Watt

[PrincetonTiger]

I'm not well-versed in steroids tbh, but wouldn't him being on a cycle during the season severly affect his game? From my understanding he would have pretty severe cramping during a cycle and it would be more likely he was doing it during the offseason when he could limit his running?

Because him using Clomid to mask his steroid use (that would have been during the season) would be unlikely if I understand correctly.

Me neither but I think you are right

[dgambill]

Then don't say "we would all be saying..." 'We all' includes me.

i understand but on a forum it is much easier to speak in generalities and gets messy and long winded qualifying their comments when speaking for the forum as a majority his point is true. We have like a 5-1 defense no matter he clearly broke the rules and yet all to often speak out against other teams players. All I ask is people be consistent in their attitudes. We all know there are different circumstances in each and every case but people lose credibility when they are two faced with their condemnation.

[dgambill]

He's a hypocrite. "I don't want to be known as Michael Sam, the gay football player..." but he'll hide his documentary from the league and the team, knowing full well that it is going to highlight him as "the gay football player." I don't care about his orientation or even about the locker room response; I think that's all overblown. But don't talk about how you don't want this extra attention, and then fully embrace it like this.

out of likes but your spot on. I do think he is getting bad advice from those around him that would like to use him for thei "cause" or their own agenda.

[Superman]

I feel the same way while I might be breathing a sigh of relief I would never cheer a suspension for someone like Watt

 

Neither would I. I would hope that we play the Texans sometime during his suspension, so we could get a break, but seeing him suspended wouldn't make me happy.

[ViriLudant]

I was wondering how he did so good so late in his career... I thought he just found it in himself and Pagano helped bring it out.

Yeah, DEs in their 30s don't get better naturally. It was pretty apparent last season.

Oh, well, just the first time.

[Dustin]

Yeah, DEs in their 30s don't get better naturally. It was pretty apparent last season.

Oh, well, just the first time.

Tbf tho, he was put in a much better position schematically than previous years.

And he wasn't really better either. He just had more sacks.

[Superman]

i understand but on a forum it is much easier to speak in generalities and gets messy and long winded qualifying their comments when speaking for the forum as a majority his point is true. We have like a 5-1 defense no matter he clearly broke the rules and yet all to often speak out against other teams players. All I ask is people be consistent in their attitudes. We all know there are different circumstances in each and every case but people lose credibility when they are two faced with their condemnation.

 

That's fair enough. Just think people should be careful not to paint with such broad strokes. Just because some people are two-faced doesn't mean everyone is two-faced. All-inclusive terms like 'we all' aren't just going to be shrugged off.

[dgambill]

Neither would I. I would hope that we play the Texans sometime during his suspension, so we could get a break, but seeing him suspended wouldn't make me happy.

I agree I love watching great players play regardless of team. That's why this hurts. Not the wins or loses but we miss one of the greats to watch for 4 games.

[pgt_rob]

Yeah, DEs in their 30s don't get better naturally. It was pretty apparent last season.

Oh, well, just the first time.

 

Different scheme...

[PrincetonTiger]

I agree I love watching great players play regardless of team. That's why this hurts. Not the wins or loses but we miss one of the greats to watch for 4 games.

In a lot of cases the team does even better without a great like Mathis because everyone is playing for him and/or to stick after the star comes back

[deedub75]

I'm sure people cheat. I'm not sure Robert Mathis wasn't cheating.

 

What I reject is the assertion that, because I'm not ready to string him up, that I'm a homer hypocrite.

 

I'm not say he did cheat and I'm not saying he didn't cheat.  We will never know. 

 

I'm saying he either cheated or he was stupid for not asking his agent if he could take clomid.  Either way, he is negatively impacting the team and I'm sure most rational people will agree with that. 

[Superman]

I'm not say he did cheat and I'm not saying he didn't cheat.  We will never know. 

 

I'm saying he either cheated or he was stupid for not asking his agent if he could take clomid.  Either way, he is negatively impacting the team and I'm sure most rational people will agree with that. 

 

Yeah, there's no doubt about that.

 

That's not the part of your statement that I took issue with.

[ViriLudant]

Shame on Goodell and the NFL (excluding the NFLPA) for suspending Mathis. 

 

What a joke.

Way to not hold the violator responsible.

[PrincetonTiger]

Yeah, DEs in their 30s don't get better naturally. It was pretty apparent last season.

Oh, well, just the first time.

He didn't get any better just lost his sack partner

[dgambill]

That's fair enough. Just think people should be careful not to paint with such broad strokes. Just because some people are two-faced doesn't mean everyone is two-faced. All-inclusive terms like 'we all' aren't just going to be shrugged off.

totally understand. If my view doesn't conform with the masses I generally understand that I'm not being included with those being mentioned. I think it's obvious in most situations but agree I should be careful and others as we'll to use words like most not all. I too wouldn't want to get my opinions lumped in because most of the time I don't see things the way most on here do.

[deedub75]

Mathis is so good he doesn't need them, I would look at the doctor records ans decide then, but if you make exception for Robert you open up all kind of stuff on later case's and the Seattle adarel stuff with there DB"S

 

That's true.  You can't make exceptions on this and you can't always believe medical records as they can be doctored. 

[dgambill]

In a lot of cases the team does even better without a great like Mathis because everyone is playing for him and/or to stick after the star comes back

I hope so! I just don't know if we have enough leaders on defense and playmakers to do that. I hope though. He made such a huge difference last time we played them. Really helped our secondary by making pm uncomfortable.

[PrincetonTiger]

I hope so! I just don't know if we have enough leaders on defense and playmakers to do that. I hope though.

We just need the O to pick it up

[corgi]

Well he will conveniently miss the Broncos game, because they needed extra help. Broncos "fans" will be happy after what happened last time.

[HGRekks]

Different scheme...

And he was playing Rush vs SAM, but that is still a substantial difference. He played 4 more games last season than the one prior, but improving on that production by 11 sacks, doubling his tackles and forcing more fumbles than any time in his career at the age of 32 with no one else to divert attention is a bit sketchy.

 

Losing Freeney means more opportunity, but the complete lack of any other pass rusher also means teams can focus more on Mathis. I don't think the idea of Mathis playing dirty is completely out of the question.

[dgambill]

Well he will conveniently miss the Broncos game, because they needed extra help. Broncos "fans" will be happy after what happened last time.

I think it will be a high scoring affair. Denver will likely still be without Harris and miller recovering from their ACl tears and maybe Wolfe and carter still. I know peyton really respects Robert but he can't be sad to not having him coming off that right side that was a problem last year for them.

[coltsfanej]

Then he should have checked with the league before taking it, not begging for forgiveness after getting caught.

If he was really taking them to have a child with his wife then i dont believe he owes anyone an appology or needs anyones forgiveness. Like i said family comes before a job

[SilentHill]

well at least if we lose to Denver we can say they it was because they didn't have to worry about Mathis. lol

[ricker182]

His statement is enough for me to believe him. Tough situation, but he broke the rules (even if banning that drug is dumb).

He apologized.

Time to get extra prepared for the first four games.

[BPM_Colt]

It still comes down to Robert being responsible for what he puts into his body.  If this was Brian Cushing or JJ Watt we would be  up in arms if he won a appeal.

I don't disagree a bit. Should have definitely looked more into what he was using before he risked any sort of suspensions, fines, etc..

 

Just wasn't sure if there was a chance of an appeal and him winning it

[B~Town]

I knew it was going to be bad but !!

 

Anyone who knows anything about steroids knows Mathis is full of it. He was using Steroids and got tested at the end of his cycle. No grown man takes female fertility drugs (especially clomid) if he isn't using testosterone. Jesus

Lot's of men take it for fertility it's pretty common . If you want an edge why not just take HGH since they don't test for it .

[Combsey]

Commissioner is a damn fool this isn't ok inspire of explanation but they gonna lessen the offense for marihuana abuse really bet it be ok if it was a Seahawks player or Tom Brady

[mattceinicram]

I don't think it will affect Wins and Losses to be honest

[Gavin]

Well on the positive side this should give Werner alot more snaps at rush linebacker to show what he can do. On the negative side...If he is a no show then our pass rush likely is to. As to Mathis http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/05/16/indianapolis-colts-robert-mathis-suspended-performance-enhancing-drugs/9187069/

 

 

He took Clomid according to the Indy Star, Also these are the games he will miss :  Philadelphia Eagles, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans

 

 

He is allowed to play in pre season games and practices

[oldunclemark]

Shame on Goodell and the NFL (excluding the NFLPA) for suspending Mathis. 

 

What a joke. 

Goddell doesnt personally suspend people...Robert tested positive...and he seems to accept the suspension..

 

....He seems to admit that he knows he took something that is on the banned list.

 

..and like many have said..you dont get suspended for the first positive test..

 

at least he'll be healthy for game 5 and beyond

[Brock Easley]

Hey Colts Fans, relax we STILL got this!!! Mathis will be back in no time!!!