Who Wants Painter In The Second Half?

[Smitto]

At least painter knows the system, collins holds on to the ball too long. At least painter will throw it away... I seriously over estimated the colts coaching staff... and thats not something i thought i would have ever said.... Painter?

[Rashad]

i would like to see him just cuz we r losing bad and we have nothing to lose but other than the fumbles kerry hasnt played that bad of a game

[hawkeyes]

Painter should have been put in after the second fumble!

[MoM]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but put the man in!

[Colts'n'PacersRock]

Might as well see what he's got at this point. Protect Collins from further injury...what a mess that first half was. Hope they step it up and show some pride.

[tikyle]

Yes please!

[Turftoe]

Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic...

Playing Painter would preserve Kerry Collins for the next game and that's about it.

[Blue to the Bone]

I'd take Phil Collins at this point.

[jade8134]

I agree, Painter in the second half, the colts need to feel like a team and Painter has been a part of that. Collins will get a lot of blame, but, the guys only been around a couple of weeks. We got nothing to lose now.

[bamboo123man]

I would not mind seeing him in the game some now that it is pretty much a guaranteed loss. I got vinatieri for my fantasy thinking he might get alot of kicks with this offense but it does not look good for any fantasy owners at the moment for colts players.

also why not throw in some trick plays for fun right now

again we have nothing to lose

[coltfaninnewyork]

David garrard?lol.lets put painter in see if he can spark them this game is long over.

[ruksak]

At least painter knows the system, collins holds on to the ball too long. At least painter will throw it away... I seriously over estimated the colts coaching staff... and thats not something i thought i would have ever said.... Painter?

You're gonna freak but I think you might be right. Not sayin Painter's the man but Collins is scaring me.

[SilentHill]

your all bonkers....Painter? Seriously? You want to lose by 100?

[SilentHill]

your all bonkers....Painter? Seriously? You want to lose by 100?

[coltfaninnewyork]

your all bonkers....Painter? Seriously? You want to lose by 100?

Why not,collins is pathetic.The most simple thing in football the handoff and he botches it.

[letsgocolts]

At least painter knows the system, collins holds on to the ball too long. At least painter will throw it away... I seriously over estimated the colts coaching staff... and thats not something i thought i would have ever said.... Painter?

Can either Painter or Collins play defense? What is up with this horrible D? Peyton's absence shouldn't stop them from playing. Why is this team running up the score on them? At this point can the offence play defense and let the defense play offense. They need to try something!

Very Disappointing - far worse than I imagined.

[pacolts56]

Can Frank Reich suit up?

it's only 34-0

[ruksak]

your all bonkers....Painter? Seriously? You want to lose by 100?

We got 15 games to worry about, forget this one. I think Smitto's right. Maybe put Collins in a few games from now, but something looks crooked. Our O-line isn't helping. I had this game guessed Houston 37 Indy 13......I gave both sides too much credit. To be fair on the defense, the back to back QB fumbles right near the Texans redzone was killin them.

WTH...our protection is bad bad bad.

[SilentHill]

Why not,collins is pathetic.The most simple thing in football the handoff and he botches it.

What do u expect from a QB that was sitting in a rocking chair on his porch when the colts called like 2 weeks ago. He's going to suck at first. As I said by the time he learns the playbook Manning could potentially be returning.

[Feduccia]

I do not think it will matter if painter is in or not if our defensive line and offensive line can not pull their wieght. It shows how poor we are if when one man is not there and the rest of them can not work together. Or maybe it is just the fact that we lost dungy and a second rate coach is trying to fill his shoes. Either way this year we host the super bowl and if this is any sign of what is to come we will not be there....... I am going to start watching LFL they play and hit harder with less whinning and crying......

[coltfaninnewyork]

What do u expect from a QB that was sitting in a rocking chair on his porch when the colts called like 2 weeks ago. He's going to suck at first. As I said by the time he learns the playbook Manning could potentially be returning.

It may be over by then.

[Colts_2231]

I'd play who's going to be starting next week just for the in-game practice.

This battle is over, but we can still prepare for Week 2 of the war.

[Balzer40]

I'd play who's going to be starting next week just for the in-game practice.

This battle is over, but we can still prepare for Week 2 of the war.

To have a war there has to be 2 sides fighting. We waved the white flag in the 1st qtr. there's no fight in these guys.

[buddingvenus]

GET KERRY COLLINS OUT!!!!! He was freaking 2-11 the last time he started with a team. They need to realize that there will be no Peyton this season and put in Painter. At least he can grow with the team. Kerry is ready for the rocking chair.

[Greenoughrunner]

YES

[Feduccia]

At least painter knows the system, collins holds on to the ball too long. At least painter will throw it away... I seriously over estimated the colts coaching staff... and thats not something i thought i would have ever said.... Painter?

Collins comes from a team that knows how to give their QB time to throw the ball where Payton comes from a team that does not know how to give the QB the time to throw the ball so he learned how to be fast and collins never had too..... So I can not see how it is collins fault if the O and D are not able to block more.......

[bannedfan]

Hire Garrard if available. He can run, elude, and pass well, plus he's younger and also a division guy.

The Colts will not win a single game with Collins and Painter. Plus the fact that no one is afraid of our running game. A one dimensional offense is bad enough with Peyton.

The Colts have dominated for 10 years, which is a historic run and much longer than normal. However, we were only able to win one ring and now the window is closed.

I appreciate all the Colts have given us, but the ride is officially over.

[SilentHill]

Hire Garrard if available. He can run, elude, and pass well, plus he's younger and also a division guy.

The Colts will not win a single game with Collins and Painter. Plus the fact that no one is afraid of our running game. A one dimensional offense is bad enough with Peyton.

The Colts have dominated for 10 years, which is a historic run and much longer than normal. However, we were only able to win one ring and now the window is closed.

I appreciate all the Colts have given us, but the ride is officially over.

too late for that we already over paid collins

[LUVTHESHOE]

Why not,collins is pathetic.The most simple thing in football the handoff and he botches it.

defense is just as pathetic we cant stop anyone, and still playing 7 in the box and turning nobodys into adrian peterson. the scheme has got to change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chad hugo]

the problem lies with collins, it just doesnt seem like he wants to play for the love of the sport but came back because of the money...if it were up to me i would let painter play , so what if we get a miserable season at least we'll have a high draft pick and painter will get the experience he desperately needs. When peyton does retire, we'll maybe have a good QB for the next decade!

[letsgocolts]

To have a war there has to be 2 sides fighting. We waved the white flag in the 1st qtr. there's no fight in these guys.

Caldwell will start Kerry Collins again next week and they'll lose again; but not because of their offense. I know Peyton Manning will have alot of pressure on him when he returns, however maybe they should ask him to suit up and play D also. I mean I know Freeney and Mathis are doing their thing, but the secondary???? Colts need to go get Bob Sanders back from the Chargers. Even when Sanders just practiced with their defense and sat during the games, the D did much better than this. Yes, the offense is struggling, but the D should do it's part also because once this offense starts clicking, it will be sitting on the sideline because D can't stop other team. The Colts are too talented for this kind of play!!!

[Smitto]

Collins comes from a team that knows how to give their QB time to throw the ball where Payton comes from a team that does not know how to give the QB the time to throw the ball so he learned how to be fast and collins never had too..... So I can not see how it is collins fault if the O and D are not able to block more.......

lol did you not see how many times collins pumped fake on one down? he deserved to get hit there i mean come one just throw the ball lol... There was decent blocking and when he got good blocking he over threw the ball IE the pass to garcon.... Not everything was collins fault but i would much rather someone who knows the playbook and who can scramble if need be.

Wayne was right.... "the colts took a step back bringing in collins" all you had to see was the look on dallas clarks face.

[SilentHill]

the problem lies with collins, it just doesnt seem like he wants to play for the love of the sport but came back because of the money...if it were up to me i would let painter play , so what if we get a miserable season at least we'll have a high draft pick and painter will get the experience he desperately needs. When peyton does retire, we'll maybe have a good QB for the next decade!

Anyone that thinks Painter needs experience needs a cat-scan. I'd doubt he's even make the Bengals roster. I'm not sure why he's even on the team.

[jessi05]

He won't make ANY difference because the o-line looks terrible. The D looks disgraceful. They just didn't show up to play. Been watching the media and NO confidence in winning. They need to make allot of changes/improvements before next week. Bring on the discipline and accountability Caldwell or leave. I don't want to hear any more excuses or sugar coating.

[Smitto]

He won't make ANY difference because the o-line looks terrible. The D looks disgraceful. They just didn't show up to play. Been watching the media and NO confidence in winning. They need to make allot of changes/improvements before next week. Bring on the discipline and accountability Caldwell or leave. I don't want to hear any more excuses or sugar coating.

No excusing the coaches made some bad decisions with some of the guys they had in, the run stoppers should have saw more time... foster shouldnt even bee a 1st down defender he should be a DE not a DT.

[Coltsman1788]

I didn't see much heart today from our Colts so this season is looking like a lost cause at this point so you may as well go with Painter since he is younger and can use the experience to better himself. Can't believe I am now siding with Smitto on this issue. lol

[MAC]

Anyone that thinks Painter needs experience needs a cat-scan. I'd doubt he's even make the Bengals roster. I'm not sure why he's even on the team.

Don't quite understand the extreme viewpoint. Painter has shown a significant amount of talent, what drives everyone nuts is the mistakes. It's reasonable to believe that the more he plays, the better he will become.

Peyton had a ridiculous number of interceptions his first year - and it's not like there was no talent (Faulk, Harrison, Glenn come to mind). QBs don't pop out of the womb fully formed.

Note to anyone about to make a silly assumption: I'm not for a second suggesting that Painter compares in any way to Manning, but if you think he has no talent I'm inclined to assume that you're just jumping on the pile for fun, and haven't bothered to pay much attention when he was on the field.

That being said, no, I wouldn't have wanted Collins pulled at half-time. He needs to work with the offense as much as possible if he is to have any chance of stepping up.

[Jason_]

No excusing the coaches made some bad decisions with some of the guys they had in, the run stoppers should have saw more time... foster shouldnt even bee a 1st down defender he should be a DE not a DT.

I agree completely about Foster....he should be DE instead of DT and then bring him in on passing or running downs. But he definitely should not be in as DT. It also irked me a bit that Foster always seemed to be the other DT when Nevis was playing.

Don't quite understand the extreme viewpoint. Painter has shown a significant amount of talent, what drives everyone nuts is the mistakes. It's reasonable to believe that the more he plays, the better he will become.

Peyton had a ridiculous number of interceptions his first year - and it's not like there was no talent (Faulk, Harrison, Glenn come to mind). QBs don't pop out of the womb fully formed.

Note to anyone about to make a silly assumption: I'm not for a second suggesting that Painter compares in any way to Manning, but if you think he has no talent I'm inclined to assume that you're just jumping on the pile for fun, and haven't bothered to pay much attention when he was on the field.

That being said, no, I wouldn't have wanted Collins pulled at half-time. He needs to work with the offense as much as possible if he is to have any chance of stepping up.

FINALLY...a voice of reason. A couple of weeks ago, practically every single post in this forum was expressing hatred towards Painter and how we need a replacement. We get a replacement who gets all of 1 preseason game and only a few weeks of practice, then has a horrible, yes it was abysmal, first quarter and already he's being hung out to dry.

People, get it through your heads...we have a virtually new Oline with only Saturday returning to the same position he was in last year. They're not going to become a cohesive unit overnight. They showed improvement just from the first half to the second half and Collins was actually able to get into a little bit of rhythm. Colts ran for 4.0 yards per carry and allowed Houston 4.1 per carry so on average, both our run offense and run defense played as well as Houston's. Colts would have had a much better running game if they'd have been able to run but they pretty much had to get away from it because they got down so much so early.

The defense was completely doomed in the first quarter with the back to back fumbles. Those types of fumbles aren't exactly uncommon when you have a new quarterback working with a new Center and new RB's. That's not going to happen all the time...those kinds of problems will be fixed. We also have several new Dlinement who are going to take some time to gel together and work well as a unit. My fear is that it'll take longer than normal due to the situational nature in which they play. Also what concerns me is that other teams are going to know what type of defense we're playing (whether focusing on the run vs. rushing the passer) by the personnel on the field and that's going to be exploited.

No I'm not saying we're going to the SB..heck we may not make the playoffs, but it's definitely far too early for the amount of doom and gloom that's been on the forum today.

[PatMcAfeeFan]

Just for laughs. No, we should pull Sorgi off of wishtv's Countdown to Kickoff and let him start.

[Corndog]

Don't worry if Collins keeps getting knocked around like this, the Colts will have to put Painter in.