What Would It Take to Trade Luck?

[subvet]

I'm just marveling at the crazy ideas people come up with to talk about on here.

Oh well, go Colts!

[The Peytonator]

The entire Oakland Raiders roster.....and a future first rounder.

[GoColts8818]

The entire Oakland Raiders roster.....and a future first rounder.

enh I'd take Luck over the Raiders roster even with a first rounder.

[braveheartcolt]

Eh, I would still take Brady or Manning's experience and game savvy in place of Luck's experience right now. How is Washington going for the short term fix, by the way? Oakland and Denver I understand, with Osweiler being a back-up lol...but Oakland has Pryor, that guy might have some upside, so they should be okay should anything happen to Palmer.

My point was about the long term, not right now, but I think you recognised that later on. Wash traded away a bag of future draft picks, so although Griffin is for the long term, they have potentially damaged their ongoing development. Eggs in one basket type of scenario. But it has a chance of working....

[Jim H.]

What a waste of a thread.

[jskinnz]

Not really Luck is how many years younger than Brady? If you honestly think Luck is going to be as good as people said he was going to be and based on what we have seen thus far there is no reason to think he wont be I'd take Luck in a heart beat because of the age factor. It's pretty much the choice the Colts made this off-seaosn. They could have five more years of greatness from Peyton or 15 from Luck. In no ways does any of that take anything away from Brady who is clearly one of the best to every play the game but if I could pick between Luck, Peyton, and Brady I am going Luck based on age. Heck if you gave me the choice between Peyton, Brady, and RG3 I'd go with RG3 again based on age and I think RG3 is going to be really good. If you want to say that's blinders fine but I think it's just factoring the age into all the decisions. Frankly there probably isn't a wrong choice between the five QBs I just listed.

WTH??

1) I was responding to something very specific from another poster - that Brady is on the down slope.

2) I agree with everything you said - my point is exactly that you take Luck because of his age.

Not sure of the need for the diatribe. Maybe you missed something.

[jskinnz]

guess you couldn't since my sarcasm..

Went back a re-read your initial post and you are right - I couldn't "since" your sarcasm. I also did not sense it either, perhaps because it was not evident at all.

[mvbighead]

You shouldn't be allowed to use sarcasm. It was poorly executed.

This. I read his earlier comment... sarcasm not found.

[lollygagger8]

I would trade Luck for:

1) The ability to fly

2) Never have to pay taxes again

3) A Bugatti Veyron with Kate Beckinsdale in the passenger seat

4) one of those Dorito Tacos from Taco Bell.....dang those are good.

[Imped]

Yeah....I don't think there's a remotely realistic scenario that would make trading Luck worthwhile. He's got to be the most valuable asset in the NFL at the moment.

[JoKeR]

If it's between those 3 QBs in the league right now, then I think Luck is the obvious choice. He's younger, looks to have the skills that everyone predicted he would, and has a smart head on his shoulders, not to mention a body like Roethlisberger. Griffin would be a close second, followed by Cam. Those are the best three young guns in the game right now. But if we're talking rosters, then I would, wait for it, go with Griffin lol. If he can stop taking as many hits as he does anyhow, and since his brains and discipline are very similar to Luck's, but with a better line and runningback. Just what I think, anyway.

Bob is a good choice, really all I was doing was trying to get you to pick Luck lol.

[JoKeR]

You shouldn't be allowed to use sarcasm. It was poorly executed.

That's pretty funny.

[Warhorse]

I would trade him for all the fans who start ridiculous posts on here..........that and a good M. L. T. Thats a mutton, lettuce, and tomato sandwich.

[shakedownstreet]

ten consecutive first overall picks. the league office would have to facilitate this

[jskinnz]

I would trade him for all the fans who start ridiculous posts on here..........that and a good M. L. T. Thats a mutton, lettuce, and tomato sandwich.

Anyone quoting the Princess Bride is immediately thanked and forever appreciated in my book.

As you wish...

[oldunclemark]

But Brady would bring his wife :flirty:

[Warhorse]

Anyone quoting the Princess Bride is immediately thanked and forever appreciated in my book.

As you wish...

"You're friend here is only mostly dead"

[amazingcolts]

Ah... While I wouldn't expect a long sighted franchise to trade it's protege rookie QB for Tom Brady right now (not that we would trade Tom Brady for Luck, we have something called loyalty), I don't know how you can say Brady is getting worse. He gets better every season. He still hasn't peaked. I see absolutely no slow down or regression in Brady's game at all.

Sorry, don't mean to splice hairs or interupt but that was just a completely inaccurate statement.

I didn't mean awhile, I actually meant he will start to slow down in the next few years, not that he has been. I didn't write that out as well as I meant too. My bad.

[amazingcolts]

Went back a re-read your initial post and you are right - I couldn't "since" your sarcasm. I also did not sense it either, perhaps because it was not evident at all.

That was my bad, I meant for it come across as sarcasm. I just didn't realize I didn't make it come across as sarcasm. My bad. lol

[amazingcolts]

You shouldn't be allowed to use sarcasm. It was poorly executed.

I'm actually really good at using. It just sounded better in my head then on here I guess. My bad.

[jskinnz]

"You're friend here is only mostly dead"

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line...

[ruksak]

I'm actually really good at using. It just sounded better in my head then on here I guess. My bad.

lol....yeah well, I've been taken the wrong way more than once. Was just bustin yer chops. I rarely use emotes so people get confused.....

[amazingcolts]

It's all good! I was tired and not thinking to well when I made the original post.

[OJl]

The point of the thread was in response to an article written by ESPN/Grantland editor Bill Simmons. Every year Simmons writes an entertaining article that ranks NBA players based on who is the least likely to get traded. This year he used that same concept to write an article on NFL players. Aarron Rodgers was listed as number one on that list. Brady was listed as two. Brees was three. And Luck came in at number four, which I considered a compliment since Luck had not played a down at the time.

In his comments for Brady, he said that neither team would pull the trigger on a Brady for Luck trade to which I said bull crap. Belichick would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat. On the other hand, Grigson would NEVER EVER make such a trade.

This of course led to my hypothetical question: What would it take to trade Luck? The answer to my own question was basically a whole heck of a lot and then some. Thanks to those who took the two seconds necessary to understand the premise of the post. mod edit

Edited October 13, 2012 by shecolt
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[Steagles]

I'll take the future superstar for the next 10+ years over the washed up old man. EVERY. DAY.

[OJl]

I'll take the future superstar for the next 10+ years over the washed up old man. EVERY. DAY.

Exactly!

15 great years of Luck > 3 more great years of Brady or Peyton or Brees or even 7 more of Rodgers

At some point, Irsay came to this conclusion too which is why Peyton is no longer here.

[Qwiz]

Apparently some people cannot or will not read unless there are pornographic pictures involved.

The point of the thread was in response to an article written by ESPN/Grantland editor Bill Simmons. Every year Simmons writes an entertaining article that ranks NBA players based on who is the least likely to get traded. This year he used that same concept to write an article on NFL players. Aarron Rodgers was listed as number one on that list. Brady was listed as two. Brees was three. And Luck came in at number four, which I considered a compliment since Luck had not played a down at the time.

In his comments for Brady, he said that neither team would pull the trigger on a Brady for Luck trade to which I said bull crap. Belichick would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat. On the other hand, Grigson would NEVER EVER make such a trade.

This of course led to my hypothetical question: What would it take to trade Luck? The answer to my own question was basically a whole heck of a lot and then some. Thanks to those who took the two seconds necessary to understand the premise of the post. To those who took offense to a hypothetical question, no wonder Romney hates the 47%!

No nekkids? Next thread...

[TheJACKCOLT]

It would take an absolute * to trade Luck. Luck is the most untradeable player in the NFL. I don't think you could up with a package that would be worth trading Luck for, he's a vary rare player and you can't replace what he brings to the table.

[PATS16N0]

Whatever you say tough guy. Remember you said that in two years when Ryan Mallet is lobbing INTs left and right for the Pats.

Peyton, Montana, Farve, and Unitas all ended up playing for different teams at the end of their careers and all of these guys are clearly better than Brady so don't be so sure of Belichick's loyalty.

lol. You convince yourself of that if it helps you sleep better at night.

10 complete seasons as a starting quarterback.

5 Superbowl appearances.

4MVPs.

50 TDs in a single season.

You do the math.

[PATS16N0]

The point of the thread was in response to an article written by ESPN/Grantland editor Bill Simmons. Every year Simmons writes an entertaining article that ranks NBA players based on who is the least likely to get traded. This year he used that same concept to write an article on NFL players. Aarron Rodgers was listed as number one on that list. Brady was listed as two. Brees was three. And Luck came in at number four, which I considered a compliment since Luck had not played a down at the time.

In his comments for Brady, he said that neither team would pull the trigger on a Brady for Luck trade to which I said bull crap. Belichick would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat. On the other hand, Grigson would NEVER EVER make such a trade.

This of course led to my hypothetical question: What would it take to trade Luck? The answer to my own question was basically a whole heck of a lot and then some. Thanks to those who took the two seconds necessary to understand the premise of the post. mod edit

You don't speak for Belichick. You don't speak for the Patriots. You don't speak for what the Patriots would do.

I don't pretend to speak for the Colts.

Belichick would not trade Brady for Luck. Wouldn't happen. Ever. He would flatly, roundly, reject it, regardless of what you think or believe.

[braveheartcolt]

You don't speak for Belichick. You don't speak for the Patriots. You don't speak for what the Patriots would do.

I don't pretend to speak for the Colts.

Belichick would not trade Brady for Luck. Wouldn't happen. Ever. He would flatly, roundly, reject it, regardless of what you think or believe.

Ah, another 'newish' Pats fan. Welcome aboard. We have several long standing respected Patriots on here, so I hope you hang around. I would suggest you relax a little though, it's only a forum. nothing serious. What made you join up?

[braveheartcolt]

At a push, I'd trade Luck for these players in their prime, full and healthy:

Bob Sanders

LT

Sweetness

Jerry Rice

Gilbert Gardner.

Clearly I'm joking. LT was over-rated.

[Jules]

Ah, another 'newish' Pats fan. Welcome aboard. We have several long standing respected Patriots on here, so I hope you hang around. I would suggest you relax a little though, it's only a forum. nothing serious. What made you join up?

I think a mini alarm went off this past week all through NE, "Alert, potential future elite QB on Colts roster. Alert, potential future elite QB on Colts roster. Not Peyton. New kid. 21-3 comeback over Rodgers .Pay attention. Colts fans dissing Brady again."

Of course I am joking. I think this was our first Brady and Luck debate thread. :clap: Of course the age difference is too big between them for me to get too into this, but this was a fun read! Welcome Pats fans!!!! See ya in several weeks!

[braveheartcolt]

I think a mini alarm went off this past week all through NE, "Alert, potential future elite QB on Colts roster. Alert, potential future elite QB on Colts roster. Not Peyton. New kid. 21-3 comeback over Rodgers .Pay attention. Colts fans dissing Brady again."

Of course I am joking. I think this was our first Brady and Luck debate thread. :clap: Of course the age difference is too big between them for me to get too into this, but this was a fun read! Welcome Pats fans!!!! See ya in several weeks!

Ah Jules, I had tuned my alarm dial from 'Foxboro' to 'Houston'. May have to re-set, depending how Green Bay do this weekend.

[Jules]

Ah Jules, I had tuned my alarm dial from 'Foxboro' to 'Houston'. May have to re-set, depending how Green Bay do this weekend.

I do think a lot of fans alarms are dialed on that team from Texas too. :yay:

[PATS16N0]

Ah, another 'newish' Pats fan. Welcome aboard. We have several long standing respected Patriots on here, so I hope you hang around. I would suggest you relax a little though, it's only a forum. nothing serious. What made you join up?

Leading up to the Patriots / Denver game I felt a strange urge to see how you guys were doing...

End of an era, I suppose. One of the greatest rivalries in sports history come to a close.

[PATS16N0]

I think a mini alarm went off this past week all through NE, "Alert, potential future elite QB on Colts roster. Alert, potential future elite QB on Colts roster. Not Peyton. New kid. 21-3 comeback over Rodgers .Pay attention. Colts fans dissing Brady again."

Of course I am joking. I think this was our first Brady and Luck debate thread. :clap: Of course the age difference is too big between them for me to get too into this, but this was a fun read! Welcome Pats fans!!!! See ya in several weeks!

lol.

In all sincerity, congratulations on your new quarterback. I'm not that impressed with your win over the Packers because i've been saying for over a year that the Packers are over rated by a media sick of talking about Brady and the Patriots. I don't think Rodgers is "elite" and I don't think the Packers are anything but a vanilla offense with a lot of receivers.

I enjoyed you punching them in the mouth.

I think if your decision was to take Luck, Manning should have either retired or taken a pay cut to play one more season and then retire... or something. Seeing him with the Broncos is sort of strange, and I honestly think the Broncos are a pathetic organization for throwing their own identity under the bus to latch on to the Colts legacy like a parasite and hire Manning like a regular season mercenary.

I think he should of retired as a Colt.

But Luck has a great arm. Going to be interesting to see where he goes.

If we get a quarterback in the 6th round from Michigan in 3 years, he probably won't go that far

...Joking.

[GoColts8818]

You don't speak for Belichick. You don't speak for the Patriots. You don't speak for what the Patriots would do.

I don't pretend to speak for the Colts.

Belichick would not trade Brady for Luck. Wouldn't happen. Ever. He would flatly, roundly, reject it, regardless of what you think or believe.

If he thought Luck would fit the Pats system you better believe he would do it. A chance to get a younger QB who might very well turn out to be as good as Brady? I think BB would make that trade in a heart beat if the cap wasn't an issue (which it would be trading Brady would kill the Pats cap just like trading Manning would have killed the Colts.) It fits what the Pats do. If they have a chance to get a younger player they think will be a star they part ways with the Vet. With that said the Colts would be nuts to offer Luck up for Brady not because Luck is better than Brady now, he's clearly not. It's just that if the Colts wanted a vet QB they would have kept Manning and it makes no sense to trade away Luck for Brady when they are rebuilding. So we agree this is a trade that would NEVER EVER happen. With that said if it was ever offered I could easily see BB doing it given the Pats history but it's a silly debate because it will never happen.

[John Dee]

When Bill Simmons wrote about the trade value of NFLers prior to the start of the season, he had Andrew Luck listed as number 4. He listed Brees, Brady, and Rodgers ahead of Luck. In his write-up on Brady, he said if there was a straight up trade on the table, Brady for Luck:

"Maybe both sides would at least think about a Brady-for-Luck trade, but neither the Patriots nor the Colts would end up consummating it."

Here's the article: http://www.grantland...l-league-part-2

Four games into the season now (and even then actually), I call bull crap on Simmons. Belichick would trade Brady in a heartbeat for Andrew Luck! Five more years of Brady (at most) or 15 more years of Luck? Four games into the season, I think Andrew Luck is the most untradeable player in the NFL. Brees only has a handful of good years left. Rodgers probably has 7 or maybe 8 top level years left. Even as much as I love Peyton, I wouldn't trade Luck for Peyton at this point.

I think the ONLY team that hesitates to pull the trigger is Washington with RGIII. But even then, RGIII for me would not be enough to pry Luck free. The Skins gave up 3 first rounders and a second rounder for RGIII.

For me, to trade Luck at this point it would require a franchise QB in return and at least 6 or 7 first round picks PLUS at least two entire drafts from a team. LOL! We are so fortunate to have this guy (no I'm not going to play that stupid name pun game)!

the Pats would do Brady for Luck RIGHT NOW.... if offered. NE and BB have shown time and time again, that once a player hits a certain point "nobody is untouchable"...

Peyton Manning.... nuff said.

Brady knows it's coming sooner or later.

[ruksak]

You don't speak for Belichick. You don't speak for the Patriots. You don't speak for what the Patriots would do.

I don't pretend to speak for the Colts.

Belichick would not trade Brady for Luck. Wouldn't happen. Ever. He would flatly, roundly, reject it, regardless of what you think or believe.

I agree.

Maybe in 2-3 years when Luck is established and Brady's beautiful hairline was receding, but not now, no way.