Richardson day to day with abdominal, oblique injuries

[DougDew]

19 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would love for him to succeed; he is a 3rd stringer for a reason and was lousy in his starts. Just telling the truth. If he was good, the Colts would have never gone after Minshew or Flacco. 

They keep him around for a reason too.  They seem to want to get backups that they have confidence in to string games together to help win a Division.  They see something in Sam, but they don't seem to want to risk even one game they feel they can't afford to lose just to see what they have.   Not sure why they didn't play him during the 4-12 season, but there may have been some other things going on.

 

He had thousands of passing yards and high QBRs for three years in college...Division 1 FB...and he can run...and can take a hit...and was a winner.  If you draft him, I think he deserves as much time on the field to prove he stinks as any other young QB.

 

Like I said, I don't get why they keep him and still not play him.   Or at least have replaced him with another young late round pick by now.

[richard pallo]

7 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

Babying him?    How did you arrive at that conclusion?   You don’t think an abdominal strain sounds legit?   

Sure it sounds legit but he’s a young professional athlete not an old athlete like Rodgers.  Young players heal quickly.  He looked and acted like he could have played.  The coaches held him out and with a nice lead I would have too.  But this is a new week.   If he’s a leader of this team he needs to assert himself and act like it and make sure he plays.  He knows everyone is questioning his toughness right now and whether he is injury prone.  He needs to be out there even if he’s sore.  That’s how I see it.

[DougDew]

15 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Sure it sounds legit but he’s a young professional athlete not an old athlete like Rodgers.  Young players heal quickly.  He looked and acted like he could have played.  The coaches held him out and with a nice lead I would have too.  But this is a new week.   If he’s a leader of this team he needs to assert himself and act like it and make sure he plays.  He knows everyone is questioning his toughness right now and whether he is injury prone.  He needs to be out there even if he’s sore.  That’s how I see it.

All true, that's why he will start.  I have no doubts.  But they won't announce it until before game time.

 

EDIT:  LOL.  Flacco will start, just saw it.  One of the few prognostications I make on the forum.  And it was wrong.  Its why I don't do it much, LOL. 

 

EDIT again:  Well there is some confusion.  I'll leave it at that.

[Colt.45]

Presented without comment.

 

 

[jvan1973]

46 minutes ago, DougDew said:

They keep him around for a reason too.  They seem to want to get backups that they have confidence in to string games together to help win a Division.  They see something in Sam, but they don't seem to want to risk even one game they feel they can't afford to lose just to see what they have.   Not sure why they didn't play him during the 4-12 season, but there may have been some other things going on.

 

He had thousands of passing yards and high QBRs for three years in college...Division 1 FB...and he can run...and can take a hit...and was a winner.  If you draft him, I think he deserves as much time on the field to prove he stinks as any other young QB.

 

Like I said, I don't get why they keep him and still not play him.   Or at least have replaced him with another young late round pick by now.

This will be his last season here more than likely

[Jason_]

On 10/2/2024 at 8:31 AM, DougDew said:

I think you're taking this stuff too seriously. 

 

I can see where you might think that depending on how you read my previous reply.  But pointing out what I consider to be absurd doesn't mean I'm taking this stuff too seriously.   

 

On 10/2/2024 at 8:31 AM, DougDew said:

Yes, fans question coaching decisions all day long here, especially nonsense stuff like play calling and scheme,

 

it's nonsense to question playcalling and scheme but reasonable to question medical diagnoses?

On 10/2/2024 at 8:31 AM, DougDew said:

I don't see it as questioning doctors at all, as far as diagnosis.  I see it as questioning the coach's decisions to possibly put the priority on winning the very next game.....

 

I can see this in some cases but definitely not all.

 

On 10/2/2024 at 8:31 AM, DougDew said:

When NFL coaches have been telling fans at their pressers about how long it takes high ankle sprains to heal,

 

well just for clarity, the discussion here has been about AR and whether he could/would have finished the game had the Colts not had a 17 point lead, not JT's ankle.

[Patrick Miller]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I would love for him to succeed; he is a 3rd stringer for a reason and was lousy in his starts. Just telling the truth. If he was good, the Colts would have never gone after Minshew or Flacco. 

Why do they even bother keeping him around? Too bad they didn’t keep Bean instead then eh?

[Jason_]

10 hours ago, azcolt said:

No kidding on the tough love. AR’s interview today was a disgrace. The leader of the team? Hardly. Maybe he will decide to play Sunday, maybe not. Geezus, we are so screwed with this man-child. The qb has to be the leader and has to be on the field playing through inevitable aches and pains. And the only way to limit those aches and pains is to avoid hits, something this knucklehead doesn’t grasp.
 

Hopefully, the Colts are planning for a new qb next year. They can’t be loving this situation. 

 

   what a cute little tantrum

 

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

Sure it sounds legit but he’s a young professional athlete not an old athlete like Rodgers.  Young players heal quickly.  He looked and acted like he could have played.  The coaches held him out and with a nice lead I would have too.  But this is a new week.   If he’s a leader of this team he needs to assert himself and act like it and make sure he plays.  He knows everyone is questioning his toughness right now and whether he is injury prone.  He needs to be out there even if he’s sore.  That’s how I see it.

 

Thank you Dr. Pallo for your armchair diagnosis.  You need better glasses if this is how you see it. 

 

 

whole lot of absurdity in these 2 posts.  well done guys 

[DougDew]

55 minutes ago, Jason_ said:

 

I can see where you might think that depending on how you read my previous reply.  But pointing out what I consider to be absurd doesn't mean I'm taking this stuff too seriously.   

 

 

it's nonsense to question playcalling and scheme but reasonable to question medical diagnoses?

 

I can see this in some cases but definitely not all.

 

 

well just for clarity, the discussion here has been about AR and whether he could/would have finished the game had the Colts not had a 17 point lead, not JT's ankle.

Again, I don't think anybody is questioning a medical diagnosis....maybe calling it that is the too serious part....they are opining mainly on the trade off of a player starting for the purpose of winning one game and the risk of further aggravation.

 

Opinions will be subjective on that, and right or wrong on that, in the same manner they opine upon what specific play should be called, what scheme should be employed when (blitz or zone or man), or who we should draft. 

 

To say that some shouldn't opine on the playing or sitting of a player with an injury we have been told has certain consequences.......is playing doctor, is the same as others who question play calling are playing coach and others opining on personnel are playing GM.  Its what we do on a forum for entertainment.  Its all the same degree of nonsense.

 

JTs ankle is the same issue, that's why its relevant here.

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

They keep him around for a reason too.  They seem to want to get backups that they have confidence in to string games together to help win a Division.  They see something in Sam, but they don't seem to want to risk even one game they feel they can't afford to lose just to see what they have.   Not sure why they didn't play him during the 4-12 season, but there may have been some other things going on.

 

He had thousands of passing yards and high QBRs for three years in college...Division 1 FB...and he can run...and can take a hit...and was a winner.  If you draft him, I think he deserves as much time on the field to prove he stinks as any other young QB.

 

Like I said, I don't get why they keep him and still not play him.   Or at least have replaced him with another young late round pick by now.

FWIW:   The Colts DID use Sam on the 4-12 season.   He started and played in the shutout loss to New England where Frank got fired the next day.   Sam was terrible that day and some if it wasn’t his fault.  As many of us here predicted, Belichick would make Sam’s life miserable because he had done that to young QB’s for 40 years.

 

And it wasn’t Frank’s fault.  He had been ordered to play Sam.  He wanted to start Matt Ryan.   I know this because Frank shared that at his introductory press conference in Carolina.  That the Colts had taken away his right to name his starting QB.  That was Irsay. 

[Jason_]

3 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Again, I don't think anybody is questioning a medical diagnosis..

 

agree to disagree

[DougDew]

9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

FWIW:   The Colts DID use Sam on the 4-12 season.   He started and played in the shutout loss to New England where Frank got fired the next day.   Sam was terrible that day and some if it wasn’t his fault.  As many of us here predicted, Belichick would make Sam’s life miserable because he had done that to young QB’s for 40 years.

 

And it wasn’t Frank’s fault.  He had been ordered to play Sam.  He wanted to start Matt Ryan.   I know this because Frank shared that at his introductory press conference in Carolina.  That the Colts had taken away his right to name his starting QB.  That was Irsay. 

Yeah, I remember he played against NE and he kind of got a raw deal there...being judged forever, sort of, on that one tough game in a tough situation in a tough season.  Thanks for clarifying.  I thought he did okay against the Redskins, which was still a tough season.

 

Big picture, I don't understand why he hasn't been given the same chances or support that a Huntley or Tyrod Taylor have been given, who are clearly not starting QB (franchise guy) material either yet get PT.  Sam Howell got his chance and showed he is backup material.  Darnold almost played himself out of the league and is playing well this season. 

 

I guess Ehlinger is incrementally worse just by what he shows in practice, yet has been here for three years.

 

[GoColts8818]

 

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[Mighty Blue]

On 9/30/2024 at 8:53 PM, Happy2BeHere said:

So are we saying things aren’t looking so oblique?  

Good one! 😂

[1959Colts]

 

[NewColtsFan]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

Yeah, I remember he played against NE and he kind of got a raw deal there...being judged forever, sort of, on that one tough game in a tough situation in a tough season.  Thanks for clarifying.  I thought he did okay against the Redskins, which was still a tough season.

 

Big picture, I don't understand why he hasn't been given the same chances or support that a Huntley or Tyrod Taylor have been given, who are clearly not starting QB (franchise guy) material either yet get PT.  Sam Howell got his chance and showed he is backup material.  Darnold almost played himself out of the league and is playing well this season. 

 

I guess Ehlinger is incrementally worse just by what he shows in practice, yet has been here for three years.

 

So, I guess I’d say Sam is a high level QB3, or a low level QB2.   
 

I think you’re right, Sam did have decent games against Wash and Pitts.   But I don’t think he could’ve had the year that Minshew had last year.   The Colts would not have gone 9-8 with Sam.    JMO. 
 

[jemack]

5 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

Presented without comment.

 

 

I think Steve Emtman said the same thing

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 hours ago, DougDew said:

They keep him around for a reason too.  They seem to want to get backups that they have confidence in to string games together to help win a Division.  They see something in Sam, but they don't seem to want to risk even one game they feel they can't afford to lose just to see what they have.   Not sure why they didn't play him during the 4-12 season, but there may have been some other things going on.

 

He had thousands of passing yards and high QBRs for three years in college...Division 1 FB...and he can run...and can take a hit...and was a winner.  If you draft him, I think he deserves as much time on the field to prove he stinks as any other young QB.

 

Like I said, I don't get why they keep him and still not play him.   Or at least have replaced him with another young late round pick by now.

IMO, they keep him around because he is a great locker room guy and just good enough to be a Pro + he knows the playbook. I don't like talking negative about any of our players, you know me, but he really isn't even a 2nd stringer. He is like an emergency QB if your 1st and 2nd string go down because he is a Pro.

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

Why do they even bother keeping him around? Too bad they didn’t keep Bean instead then eh?

I quoted Doug, see my reason why. JMO though.

[ADnum1]

6 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

Presented without comment.

 

 

[jvan1973]

7 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

Presented without comment.

 

 

I would imagine it would be difficult to see fat out of shape journalist and fans calling you out.   But he has to ignore that stuff.  

[azcolt]

7 hours ago, Jason_ said:

 

   what a cute little tantrum

 

 

Thank you Dr. Pallo for your armchair diagnosis.  You need better glasses if this is how you see it. 

 

 

whole lot of absurdity in these 2 posts.  well done guys 

A man of mercifully few meaningless words.

[Boondoggle]

Start Richardson.  Lose more games.  Draft higher.  This is my current mentality.

[Colt.45]

3 hours ago, jemack said:

I think Steve Emtman said the same thing

 

I think they make good points. It's one of those learning points for AR. 

[ColtAndOrioles]

I am a big AR proponent, I cannot stress that enough.  I think he has all of the talent in the world.  But I am not a fan at all of his last few comments to the media.

 

First about his "it's football, do I need to slide?  Not really.  If I get hurt I get hurt" comment.  I thought that was horrible.   I can see why SS benched him after those 2 plays.  He thought about himself.  Not the team. 

 

After what happened last year and now this year, it may have been the dumbest comment I have ever heard from a pro athlete.

 

 But this new one?  Is even dumber.    To compare yourself to the average fan is just stupid.  He gets paid $millions to play a sport.  A kids sport.  But a sport that brings in $billions in cash for the league, for sponsors, for gambling, and most importantly love from fans who make that all possible. 

 

To say that you can just get hurt playing a sport in such a laissez faire  way, as if no one depends on you to stay healthy? 

 

He seems to me to be the epitome of an athlete who is fine collecting his paycheck no matter if he plays or not.  And seeing how much he has 'been hurt' the past year and 4 games?  On hits that overall do not seem all that terrible?

 

It only makes be believe it more.  He needs to stop flopping like a fish when he gets an ouchie and just letting the ball go loose like it is a slippery banana. 

 

He needs to shut up and play.

 

I was totally on board with him being our QB for the next 10 years until the comments this week.  Now all I think is he is a weak weak man just looking to get paid.

A true warrior/athlete would not say what he did. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

On 10/2/2024 at 12:29 AM, crazycolt1 said:

It's not about that.  It's about doing what it takes to win. AR is going to get his time. He still has to learn to protect himself.  It will come but keeping us in the hunt calls for Flacco at times. 

Flacco does not give us a better chance of winning. This offense is very limited. 

[JediXMan]

13 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Flacco does not give us a better chance of winning. This offense is very limited. 

The offense barely hanged on. Now apply to a full game where the defense isn’t adjusting from one QB to another and I don’t think it’ll be as effective as people think.

[Trace Pyott]

23 minutes ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

I am a big AR proponent, I cannot stress that enough.  I think he has all of the talent in the world.  But I am not a fan at all of his last few comments to the media.

 

First about his "it's football, do I need to slide?  Not really.  If I get hurt I get hurt" comment.  I thought that was horrible.   I can see why SS benched him after those 2 plays.  He thought about himself.  Not the team. 

 

After what happened last year and now this year, it may have been the dumbest comment I have ever heard from a pro athlete.

 

 But this new one?  Is even dumber.    To compare yourself to the average fan is just stupid.  He gets paid $millions to play a sport.  A kids sport.  But a sport that brings in $billions in cash for the league, for sponsors, for gambling, and most importantly love from fans who make that all possible. 

 

To say that you can just get hurt playing a sport in such a laissez faire  way, as if no one depends on you to stay healthy? 

 

He seems to me to be the epitome of an athlete who is fine collecting his paycheck no matter if he plays or not.  And seeing how much he has 'been hurt' the past year and 4 games?  On hits that overall do not seem all that terrible?

 

It only makes be believe it more.  He needs to stop flopping like a fish when he gets an ouchie and just letting the ball go loose like it is a slippery banana. 

 

He needs to shut up and play.

 

I was totally on board with him being our QB for the next 10 years until the comments this week.  Now all I think is he is a weak weak man just looking to get paid.

A true warrior/athlete would not say what he did. 

 I totally agree.  I’m starting to get some not so good vibes from him on his toughness. It’s easy to say that coming from a fan I know this, but to be a nfl star Qb you have to basically have a superhuman pain threshold and psychotic drive to succeed.  Some of the body language after hits he’s taken has sort of made me question if he’s got it in him. Either he’s the most unlucky player ever and just getting hit in weird places or his toughness / injury levels aren’t where it needs to be for him to last and be a star. I hope I’m wrong and I will always support him as long as he’s a colt but I totally agree with all that you posted. 

[crazycolt1]

37 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Flacco does not give us a better chance of winning. This offense is very limited. 

Think what you want but Flacco can spin it. He is better than you give him credit for. 

[Patrick Miller]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Flacco does not give us a better chance of winning. This offense is very limited. 

I disagree. He can make better use of our wide receivers.

[Patrick Miller]

1 hour ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

I am a big AR proponent, I cannot stress that enough.  I think he has all of the talent in the world.  But I am not a fan at all of his last few comments to the media.

 

First about his "it's football, do I need to slide?  Not really.  If I get hurt I get hurt" comment.  I thought that was horrible.   I can see why SS benched him after those 2 plays.  He thought about himself.  Not the team. 

 

After what happened last year and now this year, it may have been the dumbest comment I have ever heard from a pro athlete.

 

 But this new one?  Is even dumber.    To compare your self to the average fan is just stupid.  He gets paid $millions to play a sport.  A kids sport.  But a sport that brings in $billions in cash for the league, for sponsors, for gambling, and most importantly love from fans who make that all possible. 

 

To say that you can just get hurt playing a sport in such a laissez faire  way, as if no one depends on you to stay healthy? 

 

He seems to me to be the epitome of an athlete who is fine collecting his paycheck no matter if he plays or not.  And seeing how much he has 'been hurt' the past year and 4 games?  On hits that overall do not seem all that terrible?

 

It only makes be believe it more.  He needs to stop flopping like a fish when he gets an ouchie and just letting the ball go loose like it is a slippery banana. 

 

He needs to shut up and play.

 

I was totally on board with him being our QB for the next 10 years until the comments this week.  Now all I think is he is a weak weak man just looking to get paid.

A true warrior/athlete would not say what he did. 

If nothing else, he is showing immaturity by letting all the outside noise by the media and fans get to him. You can tell it bothers him. Not Ryan leaf bad but you can still tell.

[ColtStrong2013]

1 hour ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

He needs to shut up and play.

 

Should you just shut up and go to work instead of posting on this forum? Or does he have a right to use his voice like you are exercising?

[krunk]

11 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Sure it sounds legit but he’s a young professional athlete not an old athlete like Rodgers.  Young players heal quickly.  He looked and acted like he could have played.  The coaches held him out and with a nice lead I would have too.  But this is a new week.   If he’s a leader of this team he needs to assert himself and act like it and make sure he plays.  He knows everyone is questioning his toughness right now and whether he is injury prone.  He needs to be out there even if he’s sore.  That’s how I see it.

Keep in mind this is the same team that had a young QB retire early bc of injury and too many hits. You're not way off but previous circumstances I think influence the handling of this new young QB.

[azcolt]

3 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Flacco does not give us a better chance of winning. This offense is very limited. 

Flacco gives us a better chance of winning than a guy who has about a 50% chance of starting and finishing any game. Whoever dreamed up the saying that the most important ability is availability could have been thinking of AR. It’s one thing to have receivers and running backs having to rotate out after hits. They won’t get paid if they slide every time a hit is coming. But we are talking about the most important position on the field and for some reason AR doesn’t understand that avoiding hits is an important part of the qb job description.

[Boondoggle]

Flacco requires run game balance.  As long as that is there, he can win you some games.  But if Richardson can go he needs to play.  

[Trace Pyott]

1 hour ago, azcolt said:

Flacco gives us a better chance of winning than a guy who has about a 50% chance of starting and finishing any game. Whoever dreamed up the saying that the most important ability is availability could have been thinking of AR. It’s one thing to have receivers and running backs having to rotate out after hits. They won’t get paid if they slide every time a hit is coming. But we are talking about the most important position on the field and for some reason AR doesn’t understand that avoiding hits is an important part of the qb job description.

I’m not sure it’s even about him sliding and avoiding hits. He’s going to get hit playing football. In his case one of three things are true. Either he’s injury prone, lacks toughness, or he’s been the most unlucky quarterback to start in the nfl since he’s been drafted.   Sadly im leaning toward the first two. Hope I’m wrong. 

[GoColts8818]

10 minutes ago, Trace Pyott said:

I’m not sure it’s even about him sliding and avoiding hits. He’s going to get hit playing football. In his case one of three things are true. Either he’s injury prone, lacks toughness, or he’s been the most unlucky quarterback to start in the nfl since he’s been drafted.   Sadly im leaning toward the first two. Hope I’m wrong. 

I don’t get this questioning his toughness nonsense fans are starting to throw out.  Here are the injuries that knocked out of games.

 

He got hit hard in the Rams game and coaches admitted they took him out to protect him from himself given the situation in the game and it was almost over and he was being reckless trying to run.

 

he got a concussion vs the Texans, that had nothing to do with toughness.

 

he injured his shoulder to the point he needed surgery because a big guy fell on him.  Again that has nothing to do with toughness.

 

Then he got an injury that multiple people have sighted other athletes across sports missing weeks for and there is a chance he plays Sunday.  That seems to fly in the face of the theory he some how lacks toughness.

 

People want to argue he’s injury prone that argument I can listen too because there is a lot of evidence to back it up unfortunately but the lacking toughness is just pure nonsense.  None of these injuries look to be him milking something because he just can’t take it.  They are legit injuries.  That has nothing to do with if a player is tough or not.  

[OLD FAN MAN]

6 hours ago, ColtAndOrioles said:

I am a big AR proponent, I cannot stress that enough.  I think he has all of the talent in the world.  But I am not a fan at all of his last few comments to the media.

 

First about his "it's football, do I need to slide?  Not really.  If I get hurt I get hurt" comment.  I thought that was horrible.   I can see why SS benched him after those 2 plays.  He thought about himself.  Not the team. 

 

After what happened last year and now this year, it may have been the dumbest comment I have ever heard from a pro athlete.

 

 But this new one?  Is even dumber.    To compare yourself to the average fan is just stupid.  He gets paid $millions to play a sport.  A kids sport.  But a sport that brings in $billions in cash for the league, for sponsors, for gambling, and most importantly love from fans who make that all possible. 

 

To say that you can just get hurt playing a sport in such a laissez faire  way, as if no one depends on you to stay healthy? 

 

He seems to me to be the epitome of an athlete who is fine collecting his paycheck no matter if he plays or not.  And seeing how much he has 'been hurt' the past year and 4 games?  On hits that overall do not seem all that terrible?

 

It only makes be believe it more.  He needs to stop flopping like a fish when he gets an ouchie and just letting the ball go loose like it is a slippery banana. 

 

He needs to shut up and play.

 

I was totally on board with him being our QB for the next 10 years until the comments this week.  Now all I think is he is a weak weak man just looking to get paid.

A true warrior/athlete would not say what he did. 

dont forget he is just a kid, he may make better comments as he grows up