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27 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

Some of these comments are :facepalm:.

 

Many here are so judgmental. I am sure they all have their own demons that they will not share on the Internet; yet they beat someone when he is down. Why?

 

To me it says a lot about their character. 

 

All the best to those in recovery of any kind. 

Well... I read a comment earlier in this thread that Irsay went into rehab 15 times. If true, that is a ton, and even though I don't know Irsay personally, I'm guessing people in his inner circle are very frustrated he still hasn't been able to quit at this point. 1, 2, or 3 times is one thing, but 15 is a lot. There comes a point when it is ok to be frustrated with someone like this. My uncle is an alcoholic, and it took him 6-8 times to go to rehab to stop. Still never know if he'll actually stay clean. 

 

It's not that Colts fans want to bash him, it just seems he doesn't want to help himself and it's a black mark on the team. 

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8 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Yes, I see those that are concerned. I was referring to those who are bashing the man while he is at a low point. I don't understand why folks need to disparage someone for a personal failing. If he killed someone, I would understand. This is a personal problem. What is wrong with just wishing that he is okay?

 

Or, perhaps they should not say anything at all, especially if this does not interest them.

I get your frustration. It’s just the general public my man. It’s full of all types. You will drive yourself nuts wondering why people do what they do. 

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The best I can say for Jim is he seems like a much more likable person than Mayflower Bob.  Hopefully, for the sake of his family he will get himself clean but frankly I could care less. He inherited a multi-billion dollar business that can’t fail yet can’t resist living like a bum.

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10 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I just watched Kent Sterling’s new video. He is trash man. First thing that comes out of his mouth is colts could move. Why would Indy and the city not come to an agreement on a new lease. 

 

 

In his defense he was linking that to his larger point about a potential federal inheritance tax should ownership pass on from Jim Irsay to an heir. 

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6 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:

Well... I read a comment earlier in this thread that Irsay went into rehab 15 times. If true, that is a ton, and even though I don't know Irsay personally, I'm guessing people in his inner circle are very frustrated he still hasn't been able to quit at this point. 1, 2, or 3 times is one thing, but 15 is a lot. There comes a point when it is ok to be frustrated with someone like this. My uncle is an alcoholic, and it took him 6-8 times to go to rehab to stop. Still never know if he'll actually stay clean. 

 

It's not that Colts fans want to bash him, it just seems he doesn't want to help himself and it's a black mark on the team. 

My brother battled alcohol for awhile. Was drinking himself into the hospital bc his blood pressure would bottom out and he would be unconscious for 24-72hrs. Did rehab several times. We honestly as a family had accepted his fate and become numb to the point we were waiting for the time he didn’t wake up. Luckily he is sober now and has been for a couple years. 

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10 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:

Well... I read a comment earlier in this thread that Irsay went into rehab 15 times. If true, that is a ton, and even though I don't know Irsay personally, I'm guessing people in his inner circle are very frustrated he still hasn't been able to quit at this point. 1, 2, or 3 times is one thing, but 15 is a lot. There comes a point when it is ok to be frustrated with someone like this. My uncle is an alcoholic, and it took him 6-8 times to go to rehab to stop. Still never know if he'll actually stay clean. 

 

It's not that Colts fans want to bash him, it just seems he doesn't want to help himself and it's a black mark on the team. 

Bingo! 

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22 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:

Well... I read a comment earlier in this thread that Irsay went into rehab 15 times. If true, that is a ton, and even though I don't know Irsay personally, I'm guessing people in his inner circle are very frustrated he still hasn't been able to quit at this point. 1, 2, or 3 times is one thing, but 15 is a lot. There comes a point when it is ok to be frustrated with someone like this. My uncle is an alcoholic, and it took him 6-8 times to go to rehab to stop. Still never know if he'll actually stay clean. 

 

It's not that Colts fans want to bash him, it just seems he doesn't want to help himself and it's a black mark on the team. 

 

It's an addiction. It is personal to him. What he does should not be a reflection on the fans or on the team.

 

I believe that some folks believe that if someone is wealthy, they should not have addictions,  mental illness, or other issues that the Average Joe/Jane may have. 

 

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11 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

My brother battled alcohol for awhile. Was drinking himself into the hospital bc his blood pressure would bottom out and he would be unconscious for 24-72hrs. Did rehab several times. We honestly as a family had accepted his fate and become numb to the point we were waiting for the time he didn’t wake up. Luckily he is sober now and has been for a couple years. 

 

That's great to hear (that he is now sober). Thank you for sharing.

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5 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

It's an addiction. It is personal to him. What he does should not be a reflection on the fans or on the team.


but he is making team decisions. Wouldn’t that affect his judgement? Would you want a lawyer defending you that was an addict that was in rehab 15 times? Or any other job, pilot, doctor, surgeon, etc… 

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2 minutes ago, husker61 said:


but he is making team decisions. Wouldn’t that affect his judgement? Would you want a lawyer defending you that was an addict that was in rehab 15 times? Or any other job, pilot, doctor, surgeon, etc… 

 

What does that have to do with you? It is his team. It is not your team. He is an owner, not an employee. Lots of owners have issues. They hire people to make decisions for them.

 

Comparing an owner to a surgeon, doctor and pilot is ludicrous.

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1 minute ago, husker61 said:


but he is making team decisions. Wouldn’t that affect his judgement? Would you want a lawyer defending you that was an addict that was in rehab 15 times? Or any other job, pilot, doctor, surgeon, etc… 


Odds are,  Irsay is making most decisions working with Ballard. 

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Just now, NFLfan said:

 

What does that have to do with you? It is his team. It is not your team. He is an owner, not an employee. Lots of owners have issues. They hire people to make decisions for them.


I am in titled to my opinion just like you are anyone else regarding the colts operation.

 

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1 minute ago, husker61 said:

Would a player be allowed to play if they had the same repeat relapses? Is there a double standard?


Of course there’s a double standard.   
 

One person is the Billionaire owner.  The other is the player who is the hired help who works for the owner.   Isn’t it that way in most businesses? 

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9 hours ago, csmopar said:

Quite possibly but we can only go off the colts official statement which puts it starting on or about the 9th of Jan.

 

he was also at the Dec 16th colts Game. He was also shown on Tv in his suite at the Texans game.  So I highly doubt it has been “weeks”. 

Was he?  I couldn’t find anything on that.  Only that the Colts have been getting questioned for weeks about his whereabouts.  
 

I wonder why so many people are speculating if it is easily shown he was in attendance a week and a half ago. Just wondering 

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15 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

That's great to hear (that he is now sober). Thank you for sharing.

No problem. It’s great to have him here still. However, I want to use that situation to kind of show why some people are being negative here. I love my my brother. He was my best friend. Key word was. Things are different now. I would say most us got to the point we were just over his addiction. The lying, stealing, needing money, constant need to be saved bc he was in some sort of trouble etc…it weighed on us all. Half of our family was checked out with him. We had our families and homes to worry about we reached a point where there was no more left to give. Even now that he is sober it’s not close to the same relationship for most of us. We love him and accept him bc he is family but he caused a lot of hurt and grief for so many for so darn long. The devastation these addicts leave behind is unreal. I get why people are being negative…I get why people are being positive. I’ve experienced both sides to the point I really don’t have an opinion on people suffering from addiction. Just kind of accept what’s going to happen is going to happen and there is nothing anyone can say or do. 

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17 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

It's an addiction. It is personal to him. What he does should not be a reflection on the fans or on the team.

 

I believe that some folks believe that if someone is wealthy, they should not have addictions,  mental illness, or other issues that the Average Joe/Jane may have. 

 

Unfortunately, it is a reflection on the fans and the team when stuff like this is put into a national light. I do believe Irsay has better treatment than the average person. 15 times in rehab just seems like a lot. I'd like to know the timeline of when he went over the years. I may be more frustrated than most though because it took my uncle so long to get clean, and my patience are lower because I've been personally affected by it.

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9 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

No problem. It’s great to have him here still. However, I want to use that situation to kind of show why some people are being negative here. I love my my brother. He was my best friend. Key word was. Things are different now. I would say most us got to the point we were just over his addiction. The lying, stealing, needing money, constant need to be saved bc he was in some sort of trouble etc…it weighed on us all. Half of our family was checked out with him. We had our families and homes to worry about we reached a point where there was no more left to give. Even now that he is sober it’s not close to the same relationship for most of us. We love him and accept him bc he is family but he caused a lot of hurt and grief for so many for so darn long. The devastation these addicts leave behind is unreal. I get why people are being negative…I get why people are being positive. I’ve experienced both sides to the point I really don’t have an opinion on people suffering from addiction. Just kind of accept what’s going to happen is going to happen and there is nothing anyone can say or do. 

 

Thanks again. I understand how your family can feel that way about your brother because his behavior affects them directly. Would they feel that way about someone they don't know (like Irsay)? I think folks like your brother are those who need the most compassion. JMO

 

I feel empathy for Mr. Irsay and would like to show compassion rather than disdain.

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11 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:

Unfortunately, it is a reflection on the fans and the team when stuff like this is put into a national light.

 

I disagree. I don't think any different about the Colts than I did before this news. It is the same with the Commanders and the Panthers despite who owns their teams. To me, fan behavior makes fans look worse than the behavior of their owners. (Like fans cheering opponent's injury or throwing rocks or bottles at players or other fans, etc.)

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1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

 

I disagree. I don't think any different about the Colts than I did before this news. It is the same with the Commanders and the Panthers despite who owns their teams. To me, fan behavior makes fans look worse than the behavior of their owners. (Like fans cheering opponent's injury or throwing rocks or bottles at players or other fans, etc.)

Here's my argument with this. Fans of other teams who already had this opinion of Irsay just get more ammo towards him and the Colts, fans of other teams who weren't aware of Irsay's addictions now may think differently about the Colts than before, Colts fans that are easily swayed may now not respect Irsay anymore and could possibly switch teams. It could cost Irsay money in merchandise sales from fans, and it could even have a trickle down effect to who works for the Colts, all the way down to the waterboy. Maybe FAs don't want to sign here in a couple months.

 

All of this has a domino effect unfortunately, and the media is putting this out in the national limelight for everyone to see. It's all over the TV, all over the internet. Everyone knows every detail. 

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1 minute ago, Yoshinator said:

Here's my argument with this. Fans of other teams who already had this opinion of Irsay just get more ammo towards him and the Colts, fans of other teams who weren't aware of Irsay's addictions now may think differently about the Colts than before, Colts fans that are easily swayed may now not respect Irsay anymore and could possibly switch teams. It could cost Irsay money in merchandise sales from fans, and it could even have a trickle down effect to who works for the Colts, all the way down to the waterboy. Maybe FAs don't want to sign here in a couple months.

 

All of this has a domino effect unfortunately, and the media is putting this out in the national limelight for everyone to see. It's all over the TV, all over the internet. Everyone knows every detail. 

 

Does it really matter what other fans have to say? Their opinions do not mean anything when it comes to the Colts.

 

Anyway, I don't think I will be swayed when it comes to this. So, let's agree to disagree.

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6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Does it really matter what other fans have to say? Their opinions do not mean anything when it comes to the Colts.

 

Anyway, I don't think I will be swayed when it comes to this. So, let's agree to disagree.

Yes, as a fan, it matters when interacting with other NFL fans. It's not pleasant having others disparage your favorite team because of it's owners personal problems; he is insulted way too much to the point that it's maddening. The false narratives flow such as him being an impulsive and meddling owner when that's not true at all. 

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18 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:

Here's my argument with this. Fans of other teams who already had this opinion of Irsay just get more ammo towards him and the Colts, fans of other teams who weren't aware of Irsay's addictions now may think differently about the Colts than before, Colts fans that are easily swayed may now not respect Irsay anymore and could possibly switch teams. It could cost Irsay money in merchandise sales from fans, and it could even have a trickle down effect to who works for the Colts, all the way down to the waterboy. Maybe FAs don't want to sign here in a couple months.

 

All of this has a domino effect unfortunately, and the media is putting this out in the national limelight for everyone to see. It's all over the TV, all over the internet. Everyone knows every detail. 

Who gives a turkey what other teams fans think 

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Yes, as a fan, it matters when interacting with other NFL fans. It's not pleasant having others disparage your favorite team because of it's owners personal problems; he is insulted way too much to the point that it's maddening. The false narratives flow such as him being an impulsive and meddling owner when that's not true at all. 

Or just ignore those people. It’s literally that simple 

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1 minute ago, csmopar said:

Who gives a turkey what other teams fans think 

Or just ignore those people. It’s literally that simple 

I do. I don't always want to ignore everyone, though. Wish I didn't have to. 

 

It's why I hardly ever go to the NFL subreddit any more. 

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35 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Thanks again. I understand how your family can feel that way about your brother because his behavior affects them directly. Would they feel that way about someone they don't know (like Irsay)? I think folks like your brother are those who need the most compassion. JMO

 

I feel empathy for Mr. Irsay and would like to show compassion rather than disdain.

I know this will be very hard to understand but please try to. I would say it has made most of us less compassionate for people struggling with addiction. We all started off positive and willing to help and the carnage just kept coming. Maybe it seems wrong but I try to stay as far away from people with substance abuse problems as I can. It’s cost me a couple good friends through the years. I did not want to get wrapped up into their mess bc it’s only a matter of time before it’s on my family’s doorstep. 

My brother once conned $1000 out of a woman under the promise it was for something important. He went on a binge with the cash and landed at my parents house a week or so later. Her brother and cousin showed up to collect and I just so happened to be there that weekend to help my dad with a project. Those men were trying to force themselves into the house to get him and in the process of me stopping them I got punched in the mouth. That night my tires were slashed and windshield had a cinder block thrown through it. Another time my brother stole every single Christmas present from under my family’s tree and sold/returned it all for money to buy booze. Finally found him unconscious in a hotel and he was in the hospital for a week. These are just a couple examples…I have dozens more.  I can also tell just about as many terrible stories about my brother in law and what he has put my sisters family through. That guy is living in a halfway house right now and my parents had to host him for his 1hr visit with the kids Christmas Day so they didn’t see him in his jail jumpsuit. 
 

I know our experience seems extreme but talking to other families dealing with an addict member, they have their own set of stories that are very comparable. The common theme I recognized is that we all do care and want whoever is struggling to get better but are all just tired of everything that comes with it. To this day I don’t know how my parents dealt with it. They almost divorced over it and it took them a long time themselves to get their own household back to normal. The carnage is real my friend. It’s more intense than most people can imagine. So I get the positivity…that’s where I started. I get the negativity bc that’s where I was for awhile too. I honestly still have some resentment towards my brother even though he has been sober two years. I also get now it is what it is and there is no stopping it bc only they can. I have no opinion on any of it. It’s just a terrible situation and everyone is justified to feel and say things for their own reasons. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Tsarquise said:

I do. I don't always want to ignore everyone, though. Wish I didn't have to. 

 

It's why I hardly ever go to the NFL subreddit any more. 

I stopped caring what other people think a long time ago. I’ll respect and listen to anyone’s opinion but I genuinely don’t let any of those get to me one way or the other

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6 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

I know this will be very hard to understand but please try to. I would say it has made most of us less compassionate for people struggling with addiction. We all started off positive and willing to help and the carnage just kept coming. Maybe it seems wrong but I try to stay as far away from people with substance abuse problems as I can. It’s cost me a couple good friends through the years. I did not want to get wrapped up into their mess bc it’s only a matter of time before it’s on my family’s doorstep. 

My brother once conned $1000 out of a woman under the promise it was for something important. He went on a binge with the cash and landed at my parents house a week or so later. Her brother and cousin showed up to collect and I just so happened to be there that weekend to help my dad with a project. Those men were trying to force themselves into the house to get him and in the process of me stopping them I got punched in the mouth. That night my tires were slashed and windshield had a cinder block thrown through it. Another time my brother stole every single Christmas present from under my family’s tree and sold/returned it all for money to buy booze. Finally found him unconscious in a hotel and he was in the hospital for a week. These are just a couple examples…I have dozens more.  I can also tell just about as many terrible stories about my brother in law and what he has put my sisters family through. That guy is living in a halfway house right now and my parents had to host him for his 1hr visit with the kids Christmas Day so they didn’t see him in his jail jumpsuit. 
 

I know our experience seems extreme but talking to other families dealing with an addict member, they have their own set of stories that are very comparable. The common theme I recognized is that we all do care and want whoever is struggling to get better but are all just tired of everything that comes with it. To this day I don’t know how my parents dealt with it. They almost divorced over it and it took them a long time themselves to get their own household back to normal. The carnage is real my friend. It’s more intense than most people can imagine. So I get the positivity…that’s where I started. I get the negativity bc that’s where I was for awhile too. I honestly still have some resentment towards my brother even though he has been sober two years. I also get now it is what it is and there is no stopping it bc only they can. I have no opinion on any of it. It’s just a terrible situation and everyone is justified to feel and say things for their own reasons. 

 

There’s one in everyone’s family, or so it seems. My brother is similar but His addiction is unprotected sex with any female that will have him and those little blue pills. Who knows how many kids he has now. Haven’t talked to him in years but it was confirmed at 9, with 8 women 

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19 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Who gives a turkey what other teams fans think 

Or just ignore those people. It’s literally that simple 

I generally do because I don't like to limit myself to talking to one teams fanbase. I shouldn't have to hear people mention how bad Irsay is when I say I'm a Colts fan. You can say ignore them, but I don't want to limit my inner circle of friends to just Colt fans, and it's not fair that I have to hear shots on Irsay when people from other teams talk about the Colts. Not even team performance related trash talk.

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3 minutes ago, csmopar said:

There’s one in everyone’s family, or so it seems. My brother is similar but His addiction is unprotected sex with any female that will have him and those little blue pills. Who knows how many kids he has now. Haven’t talked to him in years but it was confirmed at 9, with 8 women 

Yes it does seem like there is one in every family.  Congrats on being an uncle of 9!  My brother had two kids and both women moved out of state with the kids and severed all contact with him bc of how he was. They didn’t want support from him bc that would mean he is entitled to visitation. They just wanted as far away as possible from him 

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14 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

I know this will be very hard to understand but please try to. I would say it has made most of us less compassionate for people struggling with addiction. We all started off positive and willing to help and the carnage just kept coming. Maybe it seems wrong but I try to stay as far away from people with substance abuse problems as I can. It’s cost me a couple good friends through the years. I did not want to get wrapped up into their mess bc it’s only a matter of time before it’s on my family’s doorstep. 

My brother once conned $1000 out of a woman under the promise it was for something important. He went on a binge with the cash and landed at my parents house a week or so later. Her brother and cousin showed up to collect and I just so happened to be there that weekend to help my dad with a project. Those men were trying to force themselves into the house to get him and in the process of me stopping them I got punched in the mouth. That night my tires were slashed and windshield had a cinder block thrown through it. Another time my brother stole every single Christmas present from under my family’s tree and sold/returned it all for money to buy booze. Finally found him unconscious in a hotel and he was in the hospital for a week. These are just a couple examples…I have dozens more.  I can also tell just about as many terrible stories about my brother in law and what he has put my sisters family through. That guy is living in a halfway house right now and my parents had to host him for his 1hr visit with the kids Christmas Day so they didn’t see him in his jail jumpsuit. 
 

I know our experience seems extreme but talking to other families dealing with an addict member, they have their own set of stories that are very comparable. The common theme I recognized is that we all do care and want whoever is struggling to get better but are all just tired of everything that comes with it. To this day I don’t know how my parents dealt with it. They almost divorced over it and it took them a long time themselves to get their own household back to normal. The carnage is real my friend. It’s more intense than most people can imagine. So I get the positivity…that’s where I started. I get the negativity bc that’s where I was for awhile too. I honestly still have some resentment towards my brother even though he has been sober two years. I also get now it is what it is and there is no stopping it bc only they can. I have no opinion on any of it. It’s just a terrible situation and everyone is justified to feel and say things for their own reasons. 

 

 

Thanks again for sharing. That sounds traumatic.

 

Despite your personal experience with a loved one with addiction, you were not one of the folks disparaging the owner.

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1 hour ago, AwesomeAustin said:

No problem. It’s great to have him here still. However, I want to use that situation to kind of show why some people are being negative here. I love my my brother. He was my best friend. Key word was. Things are different now. I would say most us got to the point we were just over his addiction. The lying, stealing, needing money, constant need to be saved bc he was in some sort of trouble etc…it weighed on us all. Half of our family was checked out with him. We had our families and homes to worry about we reached a point where there was no more left to give. Even now that he is sober it’s not close to the same relationship for most of us. We love him and accept him bc he is family but he caused a lot of hurt and grief for so many for so darn long. The devastation these addicts leave behind is unreal. I get why people are being negative…I get why people are being positive. I’ve experienced both sides to the point I really don’t have an opinion on people suffering from addiction. Just kind of accept what’s going to happen is going to happen and there is nothing anyone can say or do. 

Yep. Man your story hits home. Very well said. 

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23 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Thanks again for sharing. That sounds traumatic.

 

Despite your personal experience with a loved one with addiction, you were not one of the folks disparaging the owner.

Five years ago I probably would have. Point is, addiction is a roller coaster for both the addict and those around them. You may catch either on a high or low. I get people’s negativity bc it’s a tough thing to deal with. I understand people’s positivity. Hope is a powerful thing. Just try to be patient with those being negative. I know what they are saying seems harsh but a lot of it is fair criticism. Not necessarily needed or helpful but it’s still a justifiable position. We all deal with things differently. 

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2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I just watched Kent Sterling’s new video. He is trash man. First thing that comes out of his mouth is colts could move. Why would Indy and the city not come to an agreement on a new lease. 

Because it’s all about clicks.

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1 hour ago, NFLfan said:

 

Does it really matter what other fans have to say? Their opinions do not mean anything when it comes to the Colts.

 

Anyway, I don't think I will be swayed when it comes to this. So, let's agree to disagree.

I’ve never understood people who care what other fans think about their team.  Is it going to impact how you feel about your team?  If not it’s just noise and they are probably getting exactly what they want which is to get a rise out of you or to ruin your day.

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28 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Point is, addiction is a roller coaster for both the addict and those around them. You may catch either on a high or low. I get people’s negativity bc it’s a tough thing to deal with. I understand people’s positivity. Hope is a powerful thing. Just try to be patient with those being negative. I know what they are saying seems harsh but a lot of it is fair criticism. Not necessarily needed or helpful but it’s still a justifiable position. We all deal with things differently. 

It definitely is. I haven't had the type of experience with it that you have, but my wife is a substance abuse therapist, so I've learned a lot about it through her. Without going too deep, its an absolute beast and even people that want help struggle with getting and staying sober. Sorry to hear about what you and your family went through,  but it's awesome to hear that your brother is 2 years sober and hopefully he can stay that way.

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3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

This is one of your most nonsensical takes.  Music is actually a very bonding experience.   Playing music for fun or money make life long bonds.  You obviously aren't a musician.   If you don't believe me ask @Gramz.   Why do you always speak from an authority on subjects you have zero clue about?

Lol  I had to laugh at his comment.  I've been singing in the same band for 34 years..met many lifelong friends and fans and I'm about as far from introverted as they come.  You "get" me.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Myles said:

I am an alcoholic.   I drank about a 5th of rum or vodka a day for many years.  I quit a few months ago.   It will always be a struggle but you have to have a goal.  Mine is my family and the next marker on the calendar.  100 days is creeping up.

Damn, I never knew that. That has to be tough, hopefully you can stay sober. 100 days is a good accomplishment and something to be proud of. Good luck man.

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10 hours ago, Yoshinator said:

I generally do because I don't like to limit myself to talking to one teams fanbase. I shouldn't have to hear people mention how bad Irsay is when I say I'm a Colts fan. You can say ignore them, but I don't want to limit my inner circle of friends to just Colt fans, and it's not fair that I have to hear shots on Irsay when people from other teams talk about the Colts. Not even team performance related trash talk.

Life’s not fair. I have friends who are fans of other team as, never not even during the Saturday drama, has Jim Irsay come up in conversation about football or the colts. 98 percent of fans around the league couldn’t even tell you who Irsay is

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