Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)

[csmopar]

13 minutes ago, w87r said:

Going to speculate and say.

 

He made the team out to look like liars again(Irsay saying he was ready for camp) and didn't show up to travel to Philly with them.

 

Kinda jives with the situation.

Yeah when I took a step back, it makes sense

[azcolt]

This gets dumber by the day. All Chips In just barely got through spouting his latest drivel about welcoming Taylor back. Meanwhile the GM obviously wasn’t listening to him…fortunately for the team.

[csmopar]

2 minutes ago, azcolt said:

This gets dumber by the day. All Chips In just barely got through spouting his latest drivel about welcoming Taylor back. Meanwhile the GM obviously wasn’t listening to him…fortunately for the team.

If you hate Irsay so much, why be a colts fan? Why not join the rest of the sheep and route for the Chiefs 

[w87r]

3 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Yeah when I took a step back, it makes sense

Either that or he traveled with them to Philly to be traded to the Eagles.

 

J/k ...... Kinda 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Creekside said:

 

He is? I didn't know that. Injured in camp?

Jet ski accident 

[cdgacoltsfan]

5 minutes ago, Creekside said:

 

He is? I didn't know that. Injured in camp?

No...injured on a jet ski

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Any team willing to give up a first is going to be a SB contending team with a QB most likely. Bears have cap room and a extra first though.

[Indeee]

2 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

No...injured on a jet ski

oh yea. thats right

 

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, Indeee said:

None of the above is good for the Colts though.

 

 

Why not?

 

We get rid of headache.

 

Get good compensation.

 

Most think we're not going to be to good this year.

 

How is none of it good?

[Indeee]

3 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Any team willing to give up a first is going to be a SB contending team with a QB most likely. Bears have cap room and a extra first though.

Herbert is a monster. Won't be the bears or if it is, we should ask for Herbert in return

[w87r]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Any team willing to give up a first is going to be a SB contending team with a QB most likely. Bears have cap room and a extra first though.

Trading a Bears 1st or Panthers 1st is a lot bigger of a risk(for Bears) than trading a Chiefs or Bills 1st.

 

I'm good with it though, don't get me wrong.

[Indeee]

3 minutes ago, w87r said:

Why not?

 

We get rid of headache.

 

Get good compensation.

 

Most think we're not going to be to good this year.

 

How is none of it good?

A late round first is not what the Colts should be looking for IMO

[csmopar]

1 minute ago, Indeee said:

A late round first is not what the Colts should be looking for IMO

Yeah. It the bears aren’t gonna trade a potential top 5 pick for Taylor 

[colts89]

1 minute ago, Indeee said:

A late round first is not what the Colts should be looking for IMO

That's great value for a RB.

 

If we can get some non-contender team who thinks it's in their best interest to sellout for a star RB, that'd ofc be preferable, but they have got to have a really dumb GM to go for it.

[Indeee]

Trade  JT to Denver for Sutton and a 3rd. That would work

[richard pallo]

9 minutes ago, w87r said:

It makes sense for teams that are SB contenders to look into it. Especially since his cap hit is so low

 

Chiefs

Bills

**Dolphins (they seem to think they are)

Ravens

Eagles

Vikings (with Taylor could be nice)? (NFC can be had)

Cowboys 

 

 

** also with Dolphins, they are in an arms race with the Bills and Jets, so that makes acquiring Taylor that much more important.

This is why I think the Dolphins are the team that will take the plunge.  Taylor will put them in that arms race.  Colts are going to receive a number of offers I believe. They can work them to get a very nice return.  Hope we get a starting player.

[azcolt]

9 minutes ago, csmopar said:

If you hate Irsay so much, why be a colts fan? Why not join the rest of the sheep and route for the Chiefs 

I don’t know if you are old enough to remember the infamous Mayflower middle of the night move or how shabbily the Irsays treated Johnny U, but it was enough to cause him to no longer root for the Colts. Unlike the late, great Johnny U, I still love the Colts football players. Of course the Irsays didn’t treat me like smelly garbage.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Indeee said:

Trade  JT to Denver for Sutton and a 3rd. That would work

Tim Patrick is out for the year. The Broncos won't trade Sutton. Plus, Javonte Williams will be healthy to start the year now.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

It doesn’t help Taylor get traded when it’s a loaded class next year. That’s why it will probably be a SB contending team.

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Yeah. It the bears aren’t gonna trade a potential top 5 pick for Taylor 

Bears have two first.

[John Waylon]

1 hour ago, Nickster said:

I’m not sure about that simply because he’s ahem injured, is believed to be soft holding out, and is due to make a number this year he can’t as of yet accepted.

 

If there were assurances that he’s healthy and will play for his current deal, then the market value would be revealed.

 

I don’t think you can do NBA style sign and trades in the NFL.  @Superman do you know about that?  You are the contract guru around here.  Can you do a deal a 3 party sign and trade in this league?

Exactly. It’s why I’ve said all along his position here is weak as can be. He wants us to pay him without showing us he’s healthy and he can be close to the same player he was in 2021, and now he wants other teams to pay a price to have the privilege to pay him.

 

I expect Irsay to publicly outbid any contract offer made. 
 

JT has grossly misjudged the market and he had handled this process like a complete derp at every step. If he’d shown up, balled out, made a pro bowl, Irsay would have given him 13-15 million next spring. 
 

But he’s forcing the issue at the worst possible time for the issue. Now he’s going to find out how much the highest bidder is willing to pay and it’s still not going to meet his projections. 
 

Maybe this will humble him some. Finding out no one wants to give a fair trade deal for him or pay him the amount he has set his eye on will humble him and show him that he has not handled this well. 
 

But if not… then what?

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, Indeee said:

A late round first is not what the Colts should be looking for IMO

Any 1st is a pretty solid score, tbh.

 

I hear you though.

 

Miami 2nd and Robert Hunt(he is a free agent next year and they are already cap strapped)

 

 

All kinds of options, I do expect this to move fairly quickly though.

[w87r]

3 minutes ago, Indeee said:

Trade  JT to Denver for Sutton and a 3rd. That would work

You would rather have this than a late 1st.?

 

 

Edit: We don't even need a WR.

 

I get your player to help this year angle but not that.

 

[CR91]

I honestly don't even know what would be proper compensation for Taylor. This whole situation sucks.

[RollerColt]

I step away for a few hours to harvest potatoes and all hell breaks loose…

[Indeee]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

You would rather have this than a late 1st.?

 

 

Only because we need a true number one receiver of which I believe Sutton is very close to being. Besides, Payton with the saints really never had two top notch receivers, so I think Sutton might be expendable and Javonte hasn't really been that durable. IDK, I'm just spit balling here..Ha!!

[Blueblood23]

56 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

And JT can go &$@# himself…….

Let him pass the physical on the team that will trade for him. Then don’t make the trade and either he plays or gets fined. 

[NFLfan]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

Edit: We don't even need a WR

 

Good to hear that. 

 

You can't have JJ or Addison.

 

 

[csmopar]

7 minutes ago, azcolt said:

I don’t know if you are old enough to remember the infamous Mayflower middle of the night move or how shabbily the Irsays treated Johnny U, but it was enough to cause him to no longer root for the Colts. Unlike the late, great Johnny U, I still love the Colts football players. Of course the Irsays didn’t treat me like smelly garbage.

Yes I am. I’m also old enough to know there’s two sides to that story and really the Baltimore city council and the state of Maryland are to blame for that,  not Irsay 

[w87r]

2 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

Good to hear that. 

 

You can't have JJ or Addison.

 

 

But I tried to get you JT a few post a go.

[GoColts8818]

There is a lot that could be going on.

 

Ballard could have had a meeting with Taylor and said what is it going to take for you to play and Taylor said I won’t trade me and Ballard said okay see what you can get.  
 

Ballard could also be letting Taylor see that the deal he wants doesn’t exist in hopes once Taylor sees that he will come back to the Colts and play.  Keep in mind there have been reports that team were already calling Ballard so odds are he already knows who is interested and what they are willing to give up.

 

It could be the Colts are also doing this to force Taylor to admit he’s healthy and kinda call Taylor’s bluff.

 

One thing is I am sure Ballard has made Taylor’s camp aware of what they will accept to trade him and short of that they won’t be trading him.  
 

Personally I think the Colts are doing this to force Taylor to admit he can play and also know that what they want for Taylor isn’t out there but Taylor’s camp doesn’t believe that so Ballard is essentially saying if you can find it we’ll do it so you are welcome to try.

 

I am just going to continue to wait and see.  

[gibson981]

It may be true that no team will be willing to give Taylor the money he wants, or what the Colts will want for him. However, the Colts shouldn’t just take chump change for him. Considering how results have panned out with Ballard transactions the last couple of years, the Colts will probably end up a bunch of very late round picks spread out over a couple of years. 

[w87r]

15 minutes ago, Indeee said:

Only because we need a true number one receiver of which I believe Sutton is very close to being. Besides, Payton with the saints really never had two top notch receivers, so I think Sutton might be expendable and Javonte hasn't really been that durable. IDK, I'm just spit balling here..Ha!!

Not sure how I feel about Sutton being a true #1. Feel the same about Pittman but we already have him.

 

Also it would be a cap increase of about $10m for us this year.

 

Sutton contract moving forward isn't bad though.

 

2025 - $13.5m

2026 - $14m

 

Those numbers sure beat $20m+, but again not sure I would count him as a true #1.

[crazycolt1]

Do I want a healthy JT to be a Colt? Yes.

If JT doesn't want to be a Colt he can pound sand. 

It's not up to the Colts to renegotiate the CBA either. 

[GoColts8818]

for those that want to see what could be a gage for an asking price.

[w87r]

 

 

[w87r]

lol, this could be fun for a day or so.

 

Reminds me of the QB thread after Rivers retired.

 

 

[Scott Pennock]

51 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

Running backs had more value back then.

What does that have to do with the premise of three team trades?

[w87r]

sorry for random tweets. Interesting to see who gets thrown out as options.

 

[richard pallo]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

lol, this could be fun for a day or so.

 

Reminds me of the QB thread after Rivers retired.

 

 

We’re off and running.  

[w87r]

Just now, richard pallo said:

We’re off and running.  

[GoColts8818]

Just now, w87r said:

sorry for random tweets. Interesting to see who gets thrown out as options.

 

I’d just be cautious because as we’ve seen over and over just because some random person on twitter says so doesn’t mean it’s true yet some think everything tweeted is indeed fact.