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On 6/10/2023 at 2:57 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Worst draft pick:

Trev Alberts - we took him 5th in the 94 draft and he was a huge bust.

 

That is who came to mind for worst draft pick, but Jeff George has to be up there being a #1 draft pick.

 

As for worst free agents, was Andre Johnson that bad? I can't recall. What do you think of Hakeem Nicks (free agents WR from the Giants)? I don't believe he played much. Or that offensive lineman that Grigson signed around 2014-2015. Can't recall his name -- Cherulus or something like that. (Was he a free agents or a trade?) Luck needed much better protection.

 

Worst teammate? Vanderjagt?

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1 minute ago, NFLfan said:

 

That is who came to mind for worst draft pick, but Jeff George has to be up there being a #1 draft pick.

 

As for worst free agents, was Andre Johnson that bad? I can't recall. What do you think of Hakeem Hicks (free agents WR from the Giants)? I don't believe he played much. Or that offensive lineman that Grigson signed around 2014-2015. Can't recall his name -- Cherulus or something like that. (Was he a free agents or a trade?) Luck needed much better protection.

 

Worst teammate? Vanderjagt?

Andre Johnson caught half what Reggie did the year prior and Reggie missed 8 games. Andre was a non factor pretty much the entire season. 

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2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

That is who came to mind for worst draft pick, but Jeff George has to be up there being a #1 draft pick.

 

As for worst free agents, was Andre Johnson that bad? I can't recall. What do you think of Hakeem Nicks (free agents WR from the Giants)? I don't believe he played much. Or that offensive lineman that Grigson signed around 2014-2015. Can't recall his name -- Cherulus or something like that. (Was he a free agents or a trade?) Luck needed much better protection.

 

Worst teammate? Vanderjagt?

Jeff George is way up there as well. Andre Johnson was bad, big disappointment. Vanderjagt choked in the playoffs too much for my taste. It wasn't just the wild miss vs Pittsburgh in 2005, he also missed at Miami in the 2000 playoffs which would have given the Colts a win. Getting Adam Vinatieri was the best thing the Colts did going into the 2006 season. 

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47 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

The league hasn't released any details of the investigation.   

Officially yes. But I think there’s enough smoke to say there’s at least some coals underneath somewhere. May not be a fire.  And Rodgers behavior since pretty much signals someone resigned to his fate

8 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Jeff George is way up there as well. Andre Johnson was bad, big disappointment. Vanderjagt choked in the playoffs too much for my taste. It wasn't just the wild miss vs Pittsburgh in 2005, he also missed at Miami in the 2000 playoffs which would have given the Colts a win. Getting Adam Vinatieri was the best thing the Colts did going into the 2006 season. 

I am still shocked the Patriots let him go. Then again, no I’m not

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41 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Officially yes. But I think there’s enough smoke to say there’s at least some coals underneath somewhere. May not be a fire.  And Rodgers behavior since pretty much signals someone resigned to his fate

I am still shocked the Patriots let him go. Then again, no I’m not

Vinatieri wanted to go to a warm weather city or a team with a Dome.

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On 6/11/2023 at 12:49 PM, jvan1973 said:

Where are you seeing he bet on colts games?

In the articles about this story.  They said 100s of bets on the nfl including the team he plays for

 

Art definitely gambled a lot but they never mentioned colts games and a lot of it wasnt even nfl.  What he did was worse for the team due to being a starting qb but rogers bets were worse 

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On 6/10/2023 at 10:42 AM, shasta519 said:


They traded Chris Hinton, Andre Rison and at least one R1 pick for Jeff George.

 

That trade is untouchable.

But the Colts got back 3 picks for trading George to Atlanta in 94. While George's career in Indy was a disaster, at least they got something for him. 

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49 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

In the articles about this story.  They said 100s of bets on the nfl including the team he plays for

 

Art definitely gambled a lot but they never mentioned colts games and a lot of it wasnt even nfl.  What he did was worse for the team due to being a starting qb but rogers bets were worse 

Allegedly.   The NFL hasn't released any info on the investigation.   Also,  if he bet on the colts to win, I have zero problem with it.   

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3 hours ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

No official information yet. 

 

But, the initial report suggested that he bet on hundred of games and some on Colts games as well, without any further details on whether he bet on or against the team.

If the league hasn't released any details,  and they are doing the investigation.  What report has any credible source?  I will have more respect for him if he bet for for the Colts to win

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1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

Allegedly.   The NFL hasn't released any info on the investigation.   Also,  if he bet on the colts to win, I have zero problem with it.   

Yep. Only problem I will have is if he bet against us. That is devastating and a huge problem. His integrity gets thrown out the window at that point.

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4 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

I have zero problem with it.   

Doesn't change how i feel, you act like everyone has to agree with you at all times.  They were pretty clear they think he he bet on the colts and to me thats worse than anything Art did.  

 

Rogers isnt even denying this

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If Rogers were a highly drafted starting franchise QB this would already be seen as bad as what Art did and to me the bets he made are actually worse

 

Hell Art was betting on stuff like college basketball and they never mentioned him betting on his own team

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On 6/9/2023 at 11:27 PM, Scott Pennock said:

Worst Draft Pick - Art Schlichter - Round 1, Pick 4 in 1982...................

 

Worst FA Signing - Antonio Cromartie - lasted like 3-4 games with us................

 

Worst Breakup - Andrew Luck quitting on the team at the end of the preseason after Free Agency and the draft had taken place. Best QB in that draft is on our roster now in Gardner Minshew.....lol

 

Worst Trade - I can think of several........two first rounders for Fredd Young, the Trade up for Jeff George (HoF Chris Hinton, Andre Rison, et al), Trent Richardson, Cornelious Bennett..............but the worst by far was caving to John Elway and trading him away. 

 

 

I concur!!

 

Worst trade HAS to be the two first rounders for a SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER in Fredd Young!!

 

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5 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

If Rogers were a highly drafted starting franchise QB this would already be seen as bad as what Art did and to me the bets he made are actually worse

 

Hell Art was betting on stuff like college basketball and they never mentioned him betting on his own team

It depends on if Rodgers has an addiction to gambling or not? Art had a addiction that destroyed his life, put him in huge debt, etc.. If Rodgers is just gambling for fun, that is not an addiction or hurting him or anyone else. Question is, did he bet against us to lose, that is the 1 million dollar question. Than integrity and rigging of games comes into question. As of now we don't know if he did.

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45 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

It depends on if Rodgers has an addiction to gambling or not? Art had a addiction that destroyed his life, put him in huge debt, etc.. If Rodgers is just gambling for fun, that is not an addiction or hurting him or anyone else. Question is, did he bet against us to lose, that is the 1 million dollar question. Than integrity and rigging of games comes into question. As of now we don't know if he did.

 

More than 100 bets during an nfl season is pretty excessive in my eyes.  I have strong feelings about gambling addictions because my grandfather had one and blew what would have been 6-7 figures in stock today.  He even bookied with Art sometimes, and i was close with his daughter until she moved out of state.  

 

The sheer number of bets plus the fact that he risked his career on this makes it look like addiction to me.  

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6 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

 

More than 100 bets during an nfl season is pretty excessive in my eyes.  I have strong feelings about gambling addictions because my grandfather had one and blew what would have been 6-7 figures in stock today.  He even bookied with Art sometimes, and i was close with his daughter until she moved out of state.  

 

The sheer number of bets plus the fact that he risked his career on this makes it look like addiction to me.  

Could be but making 25-50 dollar bets seems like fun to me if I had Rodgers money. If Rodgers had a huge problem, IMO he would be betting like Art was as in betting 1000's of dollars on everything non-stop. I have been going to casino's for years 2 or 3 times a year around Indiana and take a thousand with me usually, if I lose it all then I quit and done until next 4 months rolls around. Someone addicted can't stop and would go back and back, that was Art (they have no limit on how much to lose and think they can always win big or get their money back - I had a friend like that). I have know idea how Rodgers is? As long as he didn't bet on us to lose, I have no problem with him.

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15 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Could be but making 25-50 dollar bets seems like fun to me if I had Rodgers money. If Rodgers had a huge problem, IMO he would be betting like Art was as in betting 1000's of dollars on everything non-stop. I have been going to casino's for years 2 or 3 times a year around Indiana and take a thousand with me usually, if I lose it all then I quit and done until next 4 months rolls around. Someone addicted can't stop and would go back and back, that was Art (they have no limit on how much to lose and think they can always win big or get their money back - I had a friend like that). I have know idea how Rodgers is? As long as he didn't bet on us to lose, I have no problem with him.

When I do win, when I go. I usually quit before I give it all back. I have walked away from a casino 1000 ahead a few times and called it a night. 1000 is small to big timers but that is the most I will ever lose in one setting. The addiction comes when you lose around 1000 and you feel the need to keep going, thinking you can win it all back. Then you lose 2000 or 3000. I just play slot machines, Qtrs and 50 cent machines lol, last me all night and gets my mind off of things. I haven't been in over a year, I am due Season 3 Homer GIF by The Simpsons

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1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

@NFLfan, Off topic but what do you think about Dalvin Cook leaving the Vikings? Cap Kirk can't be happy.

Correction : Cook didn't leave Vikings, he was sent out. :) 

 

Maybe, next year they will get some comp picks at least?

 

Not sure if Kirk can be happy or not, he is usually smart except under pressure in the pocket or in a must-win situation. So, he must have got the message that he'll have to go through the same situation soon, but he'll have better takers.

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43 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

If Rodgers had a huge problem, IMO he would be betting like Art was as in betting 1000's of dollars on everything non-stop.

It looks like rogers hasnt blown all his money on these bets but the number of bets is high enough to start talking addiction.  He was risking his career on this but for 25$ bets?  Doesnt make much sense for someone who could control it

 

Art was betting more money and tore up a young family over it but a lot of it wasnt on the nfl.  Id be surprised if the league lets Rogers play again if most of this is true.  Thats a lot of bets on the nfl which allegedly included the colts.

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22 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Correction : Cook didn't leave Vikings, he was sent out. :) 

 

Maybe, next year they will get some comp picks at least?

 

Not sure if Kirk can be happy or not, he is usually smart except under pressure in the pocket or in a must-win situation. So, he must have got the message that he'll have to go through the same situation soon, but he'll have better takers.

Minnesota is not projected to get any comp picks next year.

 

 

Also, Cook was released, so he wouldn't count towards one, even if the deadline hadn't past already.

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2 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

@NFLfan, Off topic but what do you think about Dalvin Cook leaving the Vikings? Cap Kirk can't be happy.

 

I hate it. I don't believe Kirk cares one way or the other, as he is making his money. I believe it is because of Kirk that we have had to let go of all our players that gave us so much optimism before we signed Kirk. (I predicted this would happen before we signed him.)

 

I read that we are looking to trade one of our best players, Danielle Hunter. He is still young and very talented and I want to keep him. I can't wait to get rid of Kirk and his contract so that we can keep our players.

 

Going back to topic, I think Werner could be among the worst Colts draft picks not only because he did not pan out but because the Colts did not draft other players that fans hoped to draft (Rhodes).

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6 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

I hate it. I don't believe Kirk cares one way or the other, as he is making his money. I believe it is because of Kirk that we have had to let go of all our players that gave us so much optimism before we signed Kirk. (I predicted this would happen before we signed him.)

 

I read that we are looking to trade one of our best players, Danielle Hunter. He is still young and very talented and I want to keep him. I can't wait to get rid of Kirk and his contract so that we can keep our players.

 

Going back to topic, I think Werner could be among the worst Colts draft picks not only because he did not pan out but because the Colts did not draft other players that fans hoped to draft (Rhodes).

Vikings had enough money, they didn't NEED to cut Cook, because of Kirk....

 

They don't need to trade Hunter because of him...

 

Kirk has a cap hit of $20.25m this season. Colts are almost paying that in dead cap for Matt Ryan.

 

 

We've had plenty of talks regarding this, so not going to rehash it.

 

Neither of these moves has anything to do with Kirk and his contract.

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1 hour ago, w87r said:

Vikings had enough money, they didn't NEED to cut Cook, because of Kirk....

 

They don't need to trade Hunter because of him...

 

Kirk has a cap hit of $20.25m this season. Colts are almost paying that in dead cap for Matt Ryan.

 

 

We've had plenty of talks regarding this, so not going to rehash it.

 

Neither of these moves has anything to do with Kirk and his contract.

Isn't that because dead cap money hit after 2024 will be 30 million $ for Kirk over the void years? 

 

Whatever the reason, I hope Vikings have better plans to compete every year especially with Rodgers out. They have the division for taking, and don't look like they're going in right direction. What's worse, not sure if they recognize where they're going with all the moves.

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2 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Isn't that because dead cap money hit after 2024 will be 30 million $ for Kirk over the void years? 

 

Whatever the reason, I hope Vikings have better plans to compete every year especially with Rodgers out. They have the division for taking, and don't look like they're going in right direction. What's worse, not sure if they recognize where they're going with all the moves.

Yeah they seem a little lost in their direction currently. 

 

They have $35m dead cap this year. Front office has seemed to be doing questionable things for a while now. They got $45m(ish) in voided deals next year. They will be over $50 in dead cap next year by the time it's all said in done. 

 

My point was, Cook wasn't cut because of Cousins contract, regardless what the front office did with those void years. If Hunter is traded, it won't be because of Cousins contract either. Vikings are setting at right around $20m currently.

 

They clearly felt that Cook on a $15m cap hit wasn't what they wanted.  They feel the can get similar or little less production for 1/4 of the price.

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