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[jvan1973]

6 hours ago, BlackTiger said:

If Rogers were a highly drafted starting franchise QB this would already be seen as bad as what Art did and to me the bets he made are actually worse

 

Hell Art was betting on stuff like college basketball and they never mentioned him betting on his own team

Art played 13 games in his career.  

[jvan1973]

6 hours ago, BlackTiger said:

Doesn't change how i feel, you act like everyone has to agree with you at all times.  They were pretty clear they think he he bet on the colts and to me thats worse than anything Art did.  

 

Rogers isnt even denying this

I don't care if you agree with me or not.   Also,  who is they?

[BlackTiger]

8 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

14 hours ago, BlackTiger said:

 

Art played 13 games in his career.  

I know whats your point?   He was also drafted top 5 and expected to be a starting franchise qb who had a good college career at OSU.  That was a big story that people still talk about.  I think roger's sheer number of bets on the nfl were worse but hes a CB that doesnt even play every snap so the story hasnt quite taken off as much as that did.  he probably even bet on the colts 

[BlackTiger]

8 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Also,  who is they?

The people who wrote the stories and the sources they got their information from 

[jvan1973]

11 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

I know whats your point?   He was also drafted top 5 and expected to be a starting franchise qb who had a good college career at OSU.  That was a big story that people still talk about.  I think roger's sheer number of bets on the nfl were worse but hes a CB that doesnt even play every snap so the story hasnt quite taken off as much as that did.  he probably even bet on the colts 

 

 

With draftkings and fandual I probably make that many bets in a year.    Setting daily fantasy lineups are pretty common.  

[BlackTiger]

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

With draftkings and fandual I probably make that many bets in a yea

Rogers risked his nfl career on these bets though and that shows a lack of control to me.  Betting on his own team either way is an especially big red flag to me because the league will never allow that, yet he did it anyway 

 

I see the risk he took on these bets as a lack of control and that wont fly in the league 

[jvan1973]

33 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

Rogers risked his nfl career on these bets though and that shows a lack of control to me.  Betting on his own team either way is an especially big red flag to me because the league will never allow that, yet he did it anyway 

 

I see the risk he took on these bets as a lack of control and that wont fly in the league 

If he bet against the Colts,  I agree. They should drop the hammer on him. 

But the NFL is very hypocritical when it comes to gambling.  They are partners with Fandual, draftkings, BetMGM and Ceasars sportsbook.  They allowed a team to move to Las Vegas.  They have embraced sports betting.   The same facilities the players aren't allowed to make bets in have advertisements of sports betting.   It's real dumb.   

[VikingsFanInChennai]

12 hours ago, w87r said:

Yeah they seem a little lost in their direction currently. 

 

They have $35m dead cap this year. Front office has seemed to be doing questionable things for a while now. They got $45m(ish) in voided deals next year. They will be over $50 in dead cap next year by the time it's all said in done. 

 

My point was, Cook wasn't cut because of Cousins contract, regardless what the front office did with those void years. If Hunter is traded, it won't be because of Cousins contract either. Vikings are setting at right around $20m currently.

 

They clearly felt that Cook on a $15m cap hit wasn't what they wanted.  They feel the can get similar or little less production for 1/4 of the price.

Cook's explosiveness, breakaway speed, ability to force missed tackles and long runs aren't replicable by anyone in the roster.

 

The RBs can produce some 100-yard games but not consistently and would struggle likely against good run defenses.

 

It's going to be interesting to see how that impacts passing game efficiency and overall quality of the offense especially versus tough teams.

 

They will find it tough to compete against stronger teams, especially with the shaky defense that needs to find its feet too.

 

That's where they lose the edge they had with Cook. They can think all they could to cut costs, but the actual games will show the difference, I believe. 

[Nesjan3]

27 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

If he bet against the Colts,  I agree. They should drop the hammer on him. 

But the NFL is very hypocritical when it comes to gambling.  They are partners with Fandual, draftkings, BetMGM and Ceasars sportsbook.  They allowed a team to move to Las Vegas.  They have embraced sports betting.   The same facilities the players aren't allowed to make bets in have advertisements of sports betting.   It's real dumb.   

Its not that hypocritical. Its not that complicated either. The NFL is partnered with these sports books because at this point its probably one of their highest sources of revenue outside of the tv deals.

 

Whether you like it or not (I personally dont). Its a part of all sports across North America now. The rules are simple. The gambling is for the fans and that is it. If you are a part of a team you dont gamble, black and white.

 

Theres already a large faction of people who think the NFL is fixed to an extend. The NFL doesn't need team members betting on games to further that narrative. Thats why they take it so seriously and players get longer bans for gambling then beating their wife.

 

If its found that Rogers bet on the Colts to lose I have no doubt he will get a lifetime ban and used as an example for future players. Probably why its taking so long because they are considering this. Also if your dumb enough to throw away a multi million dollar career playing sport just for a couple $100 bets then I dont want you on this team and you deserve whatever you get.

[Superman]

9 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Its not that hypocritical. Its not that complicated either.

 

Agreed. Prohibiting players from gambling on games that they participate in or have inside information on is neither hypocritical nor complicated. It's common sense.

 

Also, my understanding is that NFL players are not prohibited from betting on other sports, they just cannot bet on NFL games.

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

Agreed. Prohibiting players from gambling on games that they participate in or have inside information on is neither hypocritical nor complicated. It's common sense.

 

Also, my understanding is that NFL players are not prohibited from betting on other sports, they just cannot bet on NFL games.

They can bet on other sports,  but not inside the team facility partially paid for by legal gambling 

[Nesjan3]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

 

Agreed. Prohibiting players from gambling on games that they participate in or have inside information on is neither hypocritical nor complicated. It's common sense.

 

Also, my understanding is that NFL players are not prohibited from betting on other sports, they just cannot bet on NFL games.

This is true, Jameson Williams the Lions receiver bet on College. Which is allowed, however he did it from the team facility which is not allowed.

[jvan1973]

17 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Its not that hypocritical. Its not that complicated either. The NFL is partnered with these sports books because at this point its probably one of their highest sources of revenue outside of the tv deals.

 

Whether you like it or not (I personally dont). Its a part of all sports across North America now. The rules are simple. The gambling is for the fans and that is it. If you are a part of a team you dont gamble, black and white.

 

Theres already a large faction of people who think the NFL is fixed to an extend. The NFL doesn't need team members betting on games to further that narrative. Thats why they take it so seriously and players get longer bans for gambling then beating their wife.

 

If its found that Rogers bet on the Colts to lose I have no doubt he will get a lifetime ban and used as an example for future players. Probably why its taking so long because they are considering this. Also if your dumb enough to throw away a multi million dollar career playing sport just for a couple $100 bets then I dont want you on this team and you deserve whatever you get.

I agree,  if he bet on the colts to lose he should get a lifetime ban

[Superman]

2 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

They can bet on other sports,  but not inside the team facility partially paid for by legal gambling 

 

I don't see that as a meaningful distinction.

[jvan1973]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

I don't see that as a meaningful distinction.

Taking sponsorship money from legal gambling sites while prohibiting your employees seems a bit hypocritical to me outside of betting on your team to lose.   

[Superman]

6 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Taking sponsorship money from legal gambling sites while prohibiting your employees seems a bit hypocritical to me outside of betting on your team to lose.   

 

I think the reasons for the prohibition are obvious. 

 

Do you think it should be okay for a player to bet on his team to win? If it was, and Player X bets on his team every week, and then all of a sudden in Week 15, he doesn't bet on his team to win, how does that influence the market? Does it influence the game itself? 

[crazycolt1]

I know some think the drafting of Jeff George was pretty bad but he did spend more time looking at the roof of the RCA Dome than he did down field. 

[TexasColtsFan1953]

Art Schlichter don’t forget this stupid gambler

[holeymoley99]

Now worst  person ever to don a colts uniform : This guy was complete trash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafah_Muhammad

 

Beat his pregnant wife and she died 10 days later........wasnt with us for long BUT a black eye of epic proportions 

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, holeymoley99 said:

Now worst  person ever to don a colts uniform : This guy was complete trash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafah_Muhammad

 

Beat his pregnant wife and she died 10 days later........wasnt with us for long BUT a black eye of epic proportions 

Yeah that’s epically bad

[jvan1973]

19 hours ago, Superman said:

 

I think the reasons for the prohibition are obvious. 

 

Do you think it should be okay for a player to bet on his team to win? If it was, and Player X bets on his team every week, and then all of a sudden in Week 15, he doesn't bet on his team to win, how does that influence the market? Does it influence the game itself? 

How would anyone know what they bet on?   This isn't the days of making bets with bookies.  It's all electronic.    Millions of users. 

[Superman]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

How would anyone know what they bet on?   This isn't the days of making bets with bookies.  It's all electronic.    Millions of users. 

 

I think there are plenty of ways for a player's bets to be publicized. Even by the player himself.

 

But I'm still wondering about your answer to the main question there: Do you think it should be okay for a player to bet on his team to win?

[jvan1973]

2 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I think there are plenty of ways for a player's bets to be publicized. Even by the player himself.

 

But I'm still wondering about your answer to the main question there: Do you think it should be okay for a player to bet on his team to win?

Yes I do.   Just not against his team

[coltsva]

Not okay for a player to bet on his team to win either. 

 

Hypothetical situation:

Colts 5 point favorites over Texans. Colts lead by 4 points late in the game. All they need to do to win the game is keep Texans out of the end zone. But for Rodgers to win his bet he needs Colts defense to score, so maybe he jumps a route going for a pick 6 & gets burned deep.

 

I know this is a bit of a reach, but it's certainly possible. Anyone who has gambled on sports has uttered the phrase after a bad beat "what was he thinking on that play!" 

[Superman]

34 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Yes I do.   Just not against his team

 

I think players gambling either way on their own games is very problematic, and to me the prohibition makes sense. 

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I think players gambling either way on their own games is very problematic, and to me the prohibition makes sense. 

I don't have any problem with them not being able to bet on the NFL.  I get that the optics of it would not be good.   I was just giving my personal opinion.   

 

I'm guessing they aren't allowed to do any fantasy leagues that involve winnings.  I wonder how many violate that. 

[Superman]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I don't have any problem with them not being able to bet on the NFL.  I get that the optics of it would not be good.   I was just giving my personal opinion.   

 

I'm guessing they aren't allowed to do any fantasy leagues that involve winnings.  I wonder how many violate that. 

 

I had the same question yesterday. I think there's a rule about how much can be won from a casual fantasy league, but they can't do daily fantasy through an online sportsbook.

[wrusselld]

While I agree with Jeff George being the worst draft pick mainly because he was the 1st pick, he did last 14 years around the league and threw for over 27,000 yards.  That's an amazing feat for a bad draft pick.  I haven't seen any mention of Donald Brown.  1st round pick who in 7 total seasons rushed for less than 3000 yards.  The Trent Richardson trade was awful.  He wasn't doing anything in Cleveland, why did we even try?  That's ok because it sounds like the Alliance of American Football and the Mexican League have been his saving grace.  We were just a mere stepping stone to greatness.  I love/hate the mention of the great 4th down play.  We have to be able to laugh at it's ridiculousness by now, right?