Colts have 4th pick (Official Discussion Thread)

[danlhart87]

I think someone else trades to 1 and 2 then Colts trade up to 3 

[chad72]

3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

This is so massive for Colts now there isn't a reason to trade up to 1

 

It is, if they don't want the Texans to grab their QB and are not convinced about Levis and Richardson.

 

Plus, there is no guarantee we will be anywhere this close in the future to pull off a trade without losing a future No.1

[danlhart87]

Just now, chad72 said:

 

It is, if they don't want the Texans to grab their QB.

Colts have more leverage now and Ballard tends to make offers and not raise them. 

 

Stroud simply coming back pretty much confirms 1 of the 3 could be there and if you feel strongly enough trade up to 2 or 3 to get someone. 

[masterlock]

5 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Might be the only way they don't give up a future No.1.

 

We chastised them for not taking a swing at it, so we have to roll with it and support them when they DO take a swing at it, IMO.

 

@Defjamz26 and I are on the same page with the bolded.

Well, it says a "bevy" of draft picks, and I didn't see anything that ruled out future picks. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

They probably still need to move up to one to prevent another team from taking QB at one but this gives them so many more options.

[#12.]

Depending upon who they want and how it plays out, they still might have to trade up, but now they have bargaining power.  The Bears could now reasonably believe the Colts would just stay at #4 or deal with Arizona instead.  With two QBs, you would have been at their mercy.

[BProland85]

6 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

This is so massive for Colts now there isn't a reason to trade up to 1

There wasn’t anyways as there is no QB worth trading up to 1 for. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

if colts don’t want young they still need to move up. Because stroud and Levis could go before they pick. Arizona could trade down along with Chicago.

[chad72]

1 minute ago, masterlock said:

Well, it says a "bevy" of draft picks, and I didn't see anything that ruled out future picks. 

 

Future picks not involving a No.1 is typically implying future No.2 and/or No.3 but not a No.1 if "players" are involved.

[chad72]

1 minute ago, #12. said:

Depending upon who they want and how it plays out, they still might have to trade up, but now they have bargaining power.  The Bears could now reasonably believe the Colts would just stay at #4 or deal with Arizona instead.  With two QBs, you would have been at their mercy.

 

No matter what, if they get the QB THEY want, I will support them, trade or not. 

[OLD FAN MAN]

1 minute ago, #12. said:

Depending upon who they want and how it plays out, they still might have to trade up, but now they have bargaining power.  The Bears could now reasonably believe the Colts would just stay at #4 or deal with Arizona instead.  With two QBs, you would have been at their mercy.

ballard may not buy the hype on these 3 and have someone else in mind

[coming on strong]

2 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

It is, if they don't want the Texans to grab their QB and are not convinced about Levis and Richardson.

 

Plus, there is no guarantee we will be anywhere this close in the future to pull off a trade without losing a future No.1

if the colts want levis i dont think they have to trade up .    the only threat would be a team trading for 3 with cardinals  .   if the seahawks trade up for young and the texans take stroud   then the cardinals will miss out on the two elite defenders if they trade back to the raiders or past that .     the bears will scoop up one at 5 and the lions will also .     i think we are fine if we want levis but if we want young or stroud we have to trade up

[BlackTiger]

To me its Young>Stroud>>>Levis.  Will wasnt even very good in college and that would scare me as a top 4 pick.  

 

The cons- Bryce is small, CJ could be mediocre and Will may never be any good period

 

Pros- Bryce is really talented already and could put a team in win now mode.  CJ has a pretty good floor and is unlikely to be down right bad.  Levis has the tools to be great

 

[masterlock]

2 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Future picks not involving a No.1 is typically implying future No.2 and/or No.3 but not a No.1 if "players" are involved.

I see.

[coming on strong]

3 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

They probably still need to move up to one to prevent another team from taking QB at one but this gives them so many more options.

i dont think we do the other threat is the cardinals trading back but they would lose out of generational picks if they trade past 6 so unless the raiders or other teams are gonna give two or 3 first for levis who isnt even a generational QB   we are good

[CheezyColt]

Stroud declared!  Now we can all start this hand-wringing over something else!  Hurrah!

[DaColts85]

I think Ballard wants Will Levis. Talk is teams have him as the top guy so CB will trade up to grab him. 

[stitches]

 

[coming on strong]

1 minute ago, BlackTiger said:

To me its Young>Stroud>>>Levis.  Will wasnt even very good in college and that would scare me as a top 4 pick.  

 

The cons- Bryce is small, CJ could be mediocre and Will may never be any good period

 

Pros- Bryce is really talented already and could put a team in win now mode.  CJ has a pretty good floor and is unlikely to be down right bad.  Levis has the tools to be great

 

since there is no generational QB and all have flaws why would you even trade up then ?   stay at 4 and take who falls to us i doubt someone trades multiple firsts with the cardinals to pass us for levis who has some flaws .  take who falls to us at 4 dont trade up and you keep your 2024 pick so if our new QB is horrible we have a top 3 pick next year with much better QB prospects

[richard pallo]

We are definitely trading up.  It's just the price won't be as steep as if he stayed.  You think Ballard is going to stay at four and hope the guy he wants falls?  Not me.  I don't think Ballard is a gambling man.  He's going to move up to get him.  I would not be surprised if the trade gets finalized pretty quickly now. 

[OLD FAN MAN]

3 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

if colts don’t want young they still need to move up. Because stroud and Levis could go before they pick. Arizona could trade down along with Chicago.

young will not go in the top 10 he is too small for the nfl, he is good in college but imo way too small

[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, coming on strong said:

i dont think we do the other threat is the cardinals trading back but they would lose out of generational picks if they trade past 6 so unless the raiders or other teams are gonna give two or 3 first for levis who isnt even a generational QB   we are good

Cardinals need to get Anderson or Carter if they want to catch up with the 49ers. I really think they’d be making a mistake to trade back. But money and capital talk…

[Defjamz26]

I’ve heard rumors that the Raiders like Levis and Panthers want Stroud. Might be a reason to still trade up. A week ago I thought we were fine at 4. 

[RollerColt]

Just now, Defjamz26 said:

I’ve heard rumors that the Raiders like Levis and Panthers want Stroud. Might be a reason to still trade up. A week ago I thought we were fine at 4. 

They probably do. The free agency period with all the QB moves will really determine what happens. If the Raiders go full stupidity they’ll get Brady. 

[DaColts85]

2 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

I’ve heard rumors that the Raiders like Levis and Panthers want Stroud. Might be a reason to still trade up. A week ago I thought we were fine at 4. 

Rumors for Levis to Houston as well. 

[#12.]

Just now, coming on strong said:

since there is no generational QB and all have flaws why would you even trade up then ?   stay at 4 and take who falls to us 

 

Can't see Ballard taking Young, so it depends on how it plays out.  You're only interested in two and both might be gone in the first two picks.  We have to get to the combine and see where it goes.

[OLD FAN MAN]

1 minute ago, coming on strong said:

since there is no generational QB and all have flaws why would you even trade up then ?   stay at 4 and take who falls to us i doubt someone trades multiple firsts with the cardinals to pass us for levis who has some flaws .  take who falls to us at 4 dont trade up and you keep your 2024 pick so if our new QB is horrible we have a top 3 pick next year with much better QB prospects

with the talent level we now have we will have the number one pick in 2024 unless ballard signs some skill position game changers

[coming on strong]

1 minute ago, Defjamz26 said:

I’ve heard rumors that the Raiders like Levis and Panthers want Stroud. Might be a reason to still trade up. A week ago I thought we were fine at 4. 

worst case we should only trade up one spot to 3  then we are a lock to get one of the three QBs moving up one spot is  much cheaper .   the jets gave up 2 second round picks in 2018 to move up three spots from 6 to 3 .     i dont think a team is gonna give up multiple first rounders to go up to get levis

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

I’ve heard rumors that the Raiders like Levis and Panthers want Stroud. Might be a reason to still trade up. A week ago I thought we were fine at 4. 

That’s why a trade up is necessary. Depends on how far bears wanted to fall down.

[John Hammonds]

1 minute ago, DaColts85 said:

Rumors for Levis to Houston as well. 

I think the rumors are going to keep rotating from one to the other to the other to the other.  But all of this is gonna change when we see them at the combine.

[richard pallo]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

That’s why a trade up is necessary. Depends on how far bears wanted to fall down.

Not to worry. We are going to 1. 

[BlackTiger]

4 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

since there is no generational QB and all have flaws why would you even trade up then ?   stay at 4 and take who falls to us i doubt someone trades multiple firsts with the cardinals to pass us for levis who has some flaws .  take who falls to us at 4 dont trade up and you keep your 2024 pick so if our new QB is horrible we have a top 3 pick next year with much better QB prospects

 

I have not said much about trading up because I'm on the fence about it.  I could see going either way or making a trade to 3 instead of 1

 

There are not a lot of teams that could reasonably jump ahead of us but there are a couple that can if they really want to.  Id rather make a small trade to 3 than get left with Will at 4.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

If colts are out on young it also increases the need to trade up.

[coming on strong]

2 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

That’s why a trade up is necessary. Depends on how far bears wanted to fall down.

you do not give up a 2024 first though we will feel sick if we get a top 3 pick next year and have no firsts .   much better draft class for QBS next year  .  jets gave up two seconds to the colts to move up from 6 to 3 in 2018 .    we can trade two second round picks with the cardinals .  i just dont wanna move up to one now that stroud declared

[coltsfan77]

Need to make the trade if Levis is the guy in their eyes. No matter what it takes. A franchise QB is worth more than any other position or player. That being said, they better be right. Personally think he could be best of the draft. Arm, size, and intelligence. 

[RollerColt]

Aaron Rodgers could be with another team as well. So many variables. 
 

And that’s not even to mention Derek Carr’s situation. Panthers would be a good place for him. 

[danlhart87]

My prediction 

 

Texans trade up select Young 1st

Bears select Will Anderson Jr 

Colts trade up select Levis/Stroud 3rd

[#12.]

Scouts talk, I'm sure.  Teams have sources.  If the Texans and Raiders want Levis, the Colts probably have an idea about it.

[coming on strong]

if we just lost one more game we would be set  its terrible .   wilson missing that wide open wr on 4th down is gonna haunt us  . being at 3 we would of been set without any trades

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, #12. said:

Scouts talk, I'm sure.  Teams have sources.  If the Texans and Raiders want Levis, the Colts probably have an idea about it.

Yeah. They probably call teams too to let them know they want to trade up if anyone from behind tried to trade up.