Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

[csmopar]

2 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Wow....can't believe it's taken this long for someone to complain about the lack of WR's on the roster. 

 

 

Thankfully, they have now been alerted. 

 

 

Seriously though....doesn't this thread belong in the Ballard complaint thread?

Yes yes it does

[Shive]

1 hour ago, buccolts said:

I was being highly sarcastic playing on the pre-Ryan thoughts of some that we should have just signed Mariota because we're missing out on all these FAs that won't come her since we don't have a QB.

So, thank you for your support.

That one went right over my head. With the prevalence of that opinion on here, it's hard to discern what's sarcasm and what's someone's legitimate opinion (without some kind of indicators). Glad we agree on this topic then...lol

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, BProland85 said:

You do realize they could have still easily signed a starting WR and TE even after trading for Ryan right? It’s as easy as restructuring deals with guys like Buckner and Leonard. And even without doing that they still had 17 mil or so under the cap from last I heard after getting Ryan. 

Who’s to say they haven’t tried? 

[Yoshinator]

3 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Who’s to say they haven’t tried? 

If they would have tried, it would have generally been leaked in this day and age. We heard about Justin Jones and Evan Engram signing elsewhere when we tried to get them. That's it though. So I'm more led to believe other than Brandon Facyson, those are the only other FAs we've tried to go after so far, and neither signed because we didn't have Matt Ryan at the time. 

 

 

[OLD FAN MAN]

47 minutes ago, Hoose said:

You know, to assume that Ballard isn’t working hard to address an obvious need at WR is silly. He’s admitted the team needs more firepower at receiver. He’s also admitted that without a QB in place it was next to impossible to attract a top talent. Now that Ryan is here, I have no doubt they are working the phones trying to improve the position. Let’s wait to see what happens.

 

There are potential trades out there; a few decent FAs who can help assuming the price is right. Patience is a virtue in short supply during the FA period in the NFL. But patience is required right now. I suggest a few posters on here give it a try. 

delayed gratification!!!!!!!

[philba101]

3 hours ago, BProland85 said:

Right now I think we all can agree he only has 1 comfortable option to depend on in the passing game, and that’s MPJ. I guess you could include Hines but he’s more of a gadget guy. 
 

I truly hope Ballard isn’t looking only to the draft for pass catchers at both WR and TE. And we still need help at LT, CB, and S as well so can’t fill everything through the draft. There are some affordable guys out there like Landry, OBJ, and MVS. At TE I think Ballard missed the boat with not signing Hayden Hurst to a cheap 1 year deal. 

That is exactly what Ballard is going to do. It is pretty clear from his past statements and actions that he doesn't place significant value on the WR position. This why he has never signed or traded for an impactful receiver in his entire tenure as GM. Absent Pittman, he has taken several stabs at receivers in the draft and so far has missed. I don't expect anything to change this offseason.

[Goatface Killah]

21 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If they would have tried, it would have generally been leaked in this day and age. We heard about Justin Jones and Evan Engram signing elsewhere when we tried to get them. That's it though. So I'm more led to believe other than Brandon Facyson, those are the only other FAs we've tried to go after so far, and neither signed because we didn't have Matt Ryan at the time. 

 

 

Not true at all. You only heard about Justin Jones after the fact. There was nobody claiming we were interested in him beforehand.

 

We heard nothing about the Ryan deal until it was done. He met with the top brass of the Colts the day before the deal was done. Not a single report about it.

 

We heard nothing about the Buckner deal until it happened.

 

We heard nothing about Ngakoue until it happened.

 

We heard nothing about Tyreek Hill until it was a certainty.

 

Jared, you are being entertained by these people. They arent nearly as plugged in as you think. 90% of the stuff they say, never happens. There are all kinds of conversations going on, most of which are never known publically.

 

You also leave out reports of us being in talks with Tyrann Matheiu which has been widely reported. 

 

There were other reports you have left out but I think I made my point.

[Yoshinator]

5 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

Not true at all. You only heard about Justin Jones after the fact. There was nobody claiming we were interested in him beforehand.

 

We heard nothing about the Ryan deal until it was done. He met with the top brass of the Colts the day before the deal was done. Not a single report about it.

 

We heard nothing about the Buckner deal until it happened.

 

We heard nothing about Ngakoue until it happened.

 

We heard nothing about Tyreek Hill until it was a certainty.

 

Jared, you are being entertained by these people. They arent nearly as plugged in as you think. 90% of the stuff they say, never happens. There are all kinds of conversations going on, most of which are never known publically.

 

You also leave out reports of us being in talks with Tyrann Matheiu which has been widely reported. 

 

There were other reports you have left out but I think I made my point.

I responded to @csmopar saying whose to say they didn't try. I was just making the point that the Colts FA interests are generally leaked when they fail, and I used Jones and Engram as the examples. I wasn't talking about signings before they happened, we are talking about two different things here. 

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

If they would have tried, it would have generally been leaked in this day and age. We heard about Justin Jones and Evan Engram signing elsewhere when we tried to get them. That's it though. So I'm more led to believe other than Brandon Facyson, those are the only other FAs we've tried to go after so far, and neither signed because we didn't have Matt Ryan at the time. 

 

 

Every single year we go thru it and then find out 6-8 months later or sooner that yeah, we did infact target person XYZ and they chose elsewhere for various reasons. I have to say this every single year. This isn’t madden on Xbox or play box or whatever they’re called, where it’s as simple as throwing money at a player. 
 

Ballard himself just said the other day on the Pat show that they had targeted others but it was tough getting a deal in not having the QB issues solved first and admitted they’d missed out on a couple targets for that very reason. Then went on to say that they will keep churning all the way thru the off season to find someone, or even trade for someone. 
 

so patience

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I responded to @csmopar saying whose to say they didn't try. I was just making the point that the Colts FA interests are generally leaked when they fail, and I used Jones and Engram as the examples. I wasn't talking about signings before they happened, we are talking about two different things here. 

Actually, they’re not. In fact, very few are. Teams and Agents generally don’t work that way. Sure, sometimes things get leaked, but it’s never a guarantee that EVERYTHING, is leaked

[MacDee1975]

1 hour ago, Four2itus said:

Wow....can't believe it's taken this long for someone to complain about the lack of WR's on the roster. 

 

 

Thankfully, they have now been alerted. 

 

 

Seriously though....doesn't this thread belong in the Ballard complaint thread?

 

Also as shocking is the false bill of goods that inevitably follows these complaints that Parris Campbell, Michael Strachan, Ashton Dulin and Dezmon Patmon are primed and ready to break out.

[Matabix]

We produced a lot of Pro bowlers. 3 all pros. So far we have lost none of the pro bowlers. Gained a MVP, excellent not elite pass rusher. 

Baffles me how we can have 27 pages of disgruntled fans complaining about his job.

[Four2itus]

5 minutes ago, Matabix said:

Gained a MVP, excellent not elite pass rusher. 

I agree with your post except for this. Since 2016/17?, I believe that Yannick has more QB pressures than any edge by 50. If that's not elite, than I am seeing it wrong. 

[cjwhiskers]

29 minutes ago, Matabix said:

We produced a lot of Pro bowlers. 3 all pros. So far we have lost none of the pro bowlers. Gained a MVP, excellent not elite pass rusher. 

Baffles me how we can have 27 pages of disgruntled fans complaining about his job.

 

Thank you. Anyone who says this team isn't better now then where we were last year on paper is crazy. We've improved drastically at critical positions and haven't really lost anyone that was some major talent for us, literally not one single person. Yes, we have areas of potential weakness but EVERY team does. 

 

This team can win a lot of games, count on it. 

[OLD FAN MAN]

45 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Every single year we go thru it and then find out 6-8 months later or sooner that yeah, we did infact target person XYZ and they chose elsewhere for various reasons. I have to say this every single year. This isn’t madden on Xbox or play box or whatever they’re called, where it’s as simple as throwing money at a player. 
 

Ballard himself just said the other day on the Pat show that they had targeted others but it was tough getting a deal in not having the QB issues solved first and admitted they’d missed out on a couple targets for that very reason. Then went on to say that they will keep churning all the way thru the off season to find someone, or even trade for someone. 
 

so patience

more delayed gratification

[OLD FAN MAN]

37 minutes ago, Matabix said:

We produced a lot of Pro bowlers. 3 all pros. So far we have lost none of the pro bowlers. Gained a MVP, excellent not elite pass rusher. 

Baffles me how we can have 27 pages of disgruntled fans complaining about his job.

simple, no playoffs , just average record

[csmopar]

Just now, OLD FAN MAN said:

more delayed gratification

No. I’m simply saying to at least wait until the off season is over to whine that he didn’t do anything. 
 

and if you want instant gratification, Brad’s Brass Flamingo may help you with that faster than an NFL game

[Goatface Killah]

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31 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

more delayed gratification

Thats your fault.

[ShuteAt168]

2 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

simple, no playoffs , just average record

 

3 hours ago, Matabix said:

We produced a lot of Pro bowlers. 3 all pros. So far we have lost none of the pro bowlers. Gained a MVP, excellent not elite pass rusher. 

Baffles me how we can have 27 pages of disgruntled fans complaining about his job.

Probably because he’s 42-41, we have huge holes and despite cap space we’re seeing no difference makers added via FA, as usual. The problem with improving almost solely through the draft is that other teams get to draft too and CB is like every other GM — some hits, some misses. Last year’s draft offered solid play from Paye and nothing else of note. This is a fan board so fans complaining comes w the territory. 

[shasta519]

Why the name of this thread? So we are equating any Ballard criticism to nothing more than complaining now?

[2006Coltsbestever]

14 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

 

Probably because he’s 42-41, we have huge holes and despite cap space we’re seeing no difference makers added via FA, as usual. The problem with improving almost solely through the draft is that other teams get to draft too and CB is like every other GM — some hits, some misses. Last year’s draft offered solid play from Paye and nothing else of note. This is a fan board so fans complaining comes w the territory. 

You actually count 2017- when Luck was first injured and he didn't have the coach he wanted yet, I guess that fits your narrative. We have Matt Ryan now so when we win the division and go 11-6 or 12-5 you will probably disappear. 

[shasta519]

3 hours ago, cjrulli said:

 

Thank you. Anyone who says this team isn't better now then where we were last year on paper is crazy. We've improved drastically at critical positions and haven't really lost anyone that was some major talent for us, literally not one single person. Yes, we have areas of potential weakness but EVERY team does. 

 

This team can win a lot of games, count on it. 

Drastically better on paper?

 

They swapped out one middle of the pack QB for another who has been middle of the pack the past few years. And while Ryan has a much better track record, he’s also 8 years older. His MVP season was a long time ago, much like Wentz’s was as well. And he is also going to be 38. Not every QB can be Brady, Rodgers or even Rivers:

 

Ngakoue is no doubt a big improvement in production and performance over Turay, who was previously the pass rushing specialist. Just about any proven pass rusher would have been.
 

But it did come at the cost of their CB1, who finally put together a very promising season. That’s a downgrade until we see how replacement. 

 

And starting CBs (in this defense) suddenly being less important with a better pass rush is still theoretical. For now, losing Rock offsets the pass rush improvement. 
 

I think this team can still win 9-10 games. But if there is any regression with TOs on defense or if Taylor merely plays at a level below being an MVP…I don’t see this team winning MORE games than last year, let alone being drastically better.
 

There are several holes on this roster. And we will have to see how they get addressed.

 

 

[Goatface Killah]

12 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

Drastically better on paper?

 

They swapped out one middle of the pack QB for another who has been middle of the pack the past few years. And while Ryan has a much better track record, he’s also 8 years older. His MVP season was a long time ago, much like Wentz’s was as well. And he is also going to be 38. Not every QB can be Brady, Rodgers or even Rivers:

 

Ngakoue is no doubt a big improvement in production and performance over Turay, who was previously the pass rushing specialist. Just about any proven pass rusher would have been.
 

But it did come at the cost of their CB1, who finally put together a very promising season. That’s a downgrade until we see how replacement. 

 

And starting CBs (in this defense) suddenly being less important with a better pass rush is still theoretical. For now, losing Rock offsets the pass rush improvement. 
 

I think this team can still win 9-10 games. But if there is any regression with TOs on defense or if Taylor merely plays at a level below being an MVP…I don’t see this team winning MORE games than last year, let alone being drastically better.
 

There are several holes on this roster. And we will have to see how they get addressed.

 

 

nonsense

 

Matt Ryan just threw for 4500 yards in 2020. 

 

He also isnt 38. He is 36 and will be 37 soon, but he isnt 38.

 

He is a much better QB than Carson. 

 

[shasta519]

22 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You actually count 2017- when Luck was first injured and he didn't have the coach he wanted yet, I guess that fits your narrative. We have Matt Ryan now so when we win the division and go 11-6 or 12-5 you will probably disappear. 

We can throw it out. But it’s still a 9-win team over the past 4 years. Good, not great. 

 

But we should then acknowledge that Ballard got a free year to add players to the roster. And a top 3 pick to use in year 2. Not nearly as wrong of a deal as people make it out to be.
 

As for Pagano, Grigson didn’t want Pagano as HC either, especially in 2015-16. If we’re blaming a bad offseason and regular season in 2017 on Pagano, then the Grigson hate and blame should adjust accordingly. But it won’t ever do that. Just seems like a different set of standards.

 

We will disagree, but I think this team maxes out at 10 wins with Ryan, assuming they bring in a couple of pass catchers. But that’s JMO. There’s a reason why they play the games. 

[GoColts8818]

59 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

Why the name of this thread? So we are equating any Ballard criticism to nothing more than complaining now?

Grievances isn’t complaining it means you disagree with something.  If you are criticizing something he did or didn’t do it’s probably not because you agreed with it.  

[Four2itus]

7 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

nonsense

 

Matt Ryan just threw for 4500 yards in 2020. 

 

He also isnt 38. He is 36 and will be 37 soon, but he isnt 38.

 

He is a much better QB than Carson. 

 

For the QB's over 30 in the NFL, here are the ones who started every game last season....

 

Tom Brady - 44 - 17 games

Matt Ryan - 36 - 17 games

Matt Stafford - 33 - 17 games

Ryan Tannehill - 33 - 17 games

 

and some who didn't

Ben Roethlisberger - 39 - 16

Aaron Rogers - 38 - 16

Kirk Cousins - 33 - 16

Jimmy Garoppolo - 30 - 15 games

Russell Wilson - 33 - 14 games

 

 

[PrincetonTiger]

3 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Grievances isn’t complaining it means you disagree with something.  If you are criticizing something he did or didn’t do it’s probably not because you agreed with it.  

[cjwhiskers]

40 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

Drastically better on paper?

 

They swapped out one middle of the pack QB for another who has been middle of the pack the past few years. And while Ryan has a much better track record, he’s also 8 years older. His MVP season was a long time ago, much like Wentz’s was as well. And he is also going to be 38. Not every QB can be Brady, Rodgers or even Rivers:

 

Ngakoue is no doubt a big improvement in production and performance over Turay, who was previously the pass rushing specialist. Just about any proven pass rusher would have been.
 

But it did come at the cost of their CB1, who finally put together a very promising season. That’s a downgrade until we see how replacement. 

 

And starting CBs (in this defense) suddenly being less important with a better pass rush is still theoretical. For now, losing Rock offsets the pass rush improvement. 
 

I think this team can still win 9-10 games. But if there is any regression with TOs on defense or if Taylor merely plays at a level below being an MVP…I don’t see this team winning MORE games than last year, let alone being drastically better.
 

There are several holes on this roster. And we will have to see how they get addressed.

 

 

 

If last year showed us anything, we don't need stellar QB play to win big games. We need consistent and smart football. Wentz had less INTs than Ryan but let's not forget his INTs came in some extremely critical moments, as did some of his sacks. I am confident that we will be a better, more consistent and higher scoring offense than we were last season barring any major injuries. I'm willing to bet on that. 

 

I liked Rock and thought he was improving but CB play is not as important as line play. Better pass rush will make our entire secondary look better than it is. With the offensive rules the way they are I will take that trade any day all day because it will lead to more sacks and more punts opposed to getting beat on a 3 and 11 comeback route. I do agree that as of now we can consider it a wash until we see the proof. 

 

There are definitely weaknesses but I wouldn't say we have any major holes. No team has every position filled with depth. One position group will always be stronger than another. We don't have stellar wide receivers, but we have two extremely talented running backs that will be used in a far greater capacity this year. Our CBs aren't great, but do we need them to be great if our pass rush gets better? We have competent players at every position group with the occasional player who doesn't have a ton on tape yet but what they have put on tape has been promising (e.g. Pryor, Pinter, Rodgers). I do hope we resign Reed. 

 

Just curious, outside of Rock, what other player have we lost this year that you feel had the most positive impact on our team? I can't help but to look at this team and feel way more confident that we will be able to compete than I did last year. 

[GoColts8818]

2 minutes ago, cjrulli said:

 

If last year showed us anything, we don't need stellar QB play to win big games. We need consistent and smart football. Wentz had less INTs than Ryan but let's not forget his INTs came in some extremely critical moments, as did some of his sacks. I am confident that we will be a better, more consistent and higher scoring offense than we were last season barring any major injuries. I'm willing to bet on that. 

 

I liked Rock and thought he was improving but CB play is not as important as line play. Better pass rush will make our entire secondary look better than it is. With the offensive rules the way they are I will take that trade any day all day because it will lead to more sacks and more punts opposed to getting beat on a 3 and 11 comeback route. I do agree that as of now we can consider it an offset until it's more proof but on paper. 

 

There are definitely weaknesses but I wouldn't say we have any major holes. No team has every position filled with depth. One position group will always be stronger than another. We don't have stellar wide receivers, but two extremely talent running backs that will be used in a far greater capacity this year. Our CBs aren't great, but do we need them to be great if our pass rush gets better? We have competent players at every position group with the occasional player who doesn't have a ton on tape yet but what they have put on tape has been promising (e.g. Pryor, Pinter, Rodgers). I do hope we resign Reed. 

 

Just curious, outside of Rock, what other player have we lost this year that you feel had the most positive impact on our team? I can't help but to look at this team and feel way more confident that we will be able to compete than I did last year. 

Losing Glow won’t be as easy to replace as some think.  

[cjwhiskers]

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

Losing Glow won’t be as easy to replace as some think.  

 

I liked Glow but was there a distinguishable difference when he was in vs Reed? Genuinely, if there are stats I would love to see them because anecdotally I didn't notice a difference. There was a reason he was splitting his reps IMO. 

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, cjrulli said:

 

I liked Glow but was there a distinguishable difference when he was in vs Reed? Genuinely, if there are stats I would love to see them because anecdotally I didn't notice a difference. There was a reason he was splitting his reps IMO. 

I had this gut feeling the Glow was on his way out last year

[GoColts8818]

Just now, cjrulli said:

 

I liked Glow but was there a distinguishable difference when he was in vs Reed? Genuinely, if there are stats I would love to see them because anecdotally I didn't notice a difference. There was a reason he was splitting his reps IMO. 

Yes.  The line was much better when he was in there.  To the point the Colts tried to give Reed Glow’s job and had to back off because it was clear the line was better with Glow in there.  

[GoColts8818]

3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

I had this gut feeling the Glow was on his way out last year

I did too doesn’t mean he will be easy to replace.

[Nesjan3]

lol so this is how this forum works now, people aren't allowed to post there own topics about different individual things, everything is just lumped into two or three mega threads. 

[GoColts8818]

2 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

lol so this is how this forum works now, people aren't allowed to post there own topics about different individual things, everything is just lumped into two or three mega threads. 

The mods have always merged multiple topics that are about the same subject.  This is nothing new.  All they did was pin it to the top of the forum so it’s the first thing you see which draws more attention to it.  We don’t need 100 threads all basically saying I don’t like what Ballard is doing or not doing.  It’s fine to have that option but it can be done in one thread.   By the way we also wouldn’t need 100 threads saying Ballard is awesome either.

[Nesjan3]

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

The mods have always merged multiple topics that are about the same subject.  This is nothing new.  

Not to this degree definitely not

[PrincetonTiger]

2 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

lol so this is how this forum works now, people aren't allowed to post there own topics about different individual things, everything is just lumped into two or three mega threads. 

[PrincetonTiger]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

The mods have always merged multiple topics that are about the same subject.  This is nothing new.  

[shasta519]

19 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

nonsense

 

Matt Ryan just threw for 4500 yards in 2020. 

 

He also isnt 38. He is 36 and will be 37 soon, but he isnt 38.

 

He is a much better QB than Carson. 

 

37 or 38…doesn’t really matter. Neither are age 33…which is the last time Ryan was actually really good QB. He’s also had really good weapons in ATL.

 

And cherry-picked stats without any context are literally nonsense. 

 

In a season of ridiculous QB numbers in 2020, Ryan was a middle of the pack QB at best, except for the one stat you posted. And he had those yards because he threw more passes than any QB. 
 

I like Ryan, a lot more than Wentz, but he’s been a middle of the pack QB for a few years now. And that’s not a drastic on-field or on-paper improvement.

 

Feel free to disagree, but the numbers are the numbers. And they can be very predictive, much like Father Time.

[ShuteAt168]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You actually count 2017- when Luck was first injured and he didn't have the coach he wanted yet, I guess that fits your narrative. We have Matt Ryan now so when we win the division and go 11-6 or 12-5 you will probably disappear. 

Are you new to sports? Pro tip: The record starts when he took over as GM. And I hope the Colts go 12-5. Being a fan doesn’t mean I can’t criticize.