Ballard FA Grievances Thread (Merge)

[Matabix]

4 hours ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

simple, no playoffs , just average record

We made the playoffs. 

1 hour ago, ShuteAt168 said:

 

Probably because he’s 42-41, we have huge holes and despite cap space we’re seeing no difference makers added via FA, as usual. The problem with improving almost solely through the draft is that other teams get to draft too and CB is like every other GM — some hits, some misses. Last year’s draft offered solid play from Paye and nothing else of note. This is a fan board so fans complaining comes w the territory. 

We got the youngest superstars. He's not building 1 or 2 successful years. He's building longevity. We got this draft were we can find a good TE into the 4th round a good WR into the 5th. CB into the 3rd. We good. Got a star RB that can win games. A QB that can makes layups and defense that just got nastier.

[2006Coltsbestever]

16 minutes ago, ShuteAt168 said:

Are you new to sports? Pro tip: The record starts when he took over as GM. And I hope the Colts go 12-5. Being a fan doesn’t mean I can’t criticize. 

Yeah I am a rookie 

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah I am a rookie 

@PrincetonTiger @2006Coltsbestever

[PrincetonTiger]

@2006Coltsbestever @Matabix

    People need to remember what CB inherited 

[Goatface Killah]

25 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

37 or 38…doesn’t really matter. Neither are age 33…which is the last time Ryan was actually really good QB. He’s also had really good weapons in ATL.

 

And cherry-picked stats without any context are literally nonsense. 

 

In a season of ridiculous QB numbers in 2020, Ryan was a middle of the pack QB at best, except for the one stat you posted. And he had those yards because he threw more passes than any QB. 
 

I like Ryan, a lot more than Wentz, but he’s been a middle of the pack QB for a few years now. And that’s not a drastic on-field or on-paper improvement.

 

Feel free to disagree, but the numbers are the numbers. And they can be very predictive, much like Father Time.

People like you are the equivilent of that hating "friend" we all had at some point that picks apart everything that you do and then when they finally prove you wrong, you wanna weasel your way into the frame and pretend you were rooting for them the entire time.

 

Being "middle of the pack" doesnt mean you werent good. 

 

 

 

[shasta519]

59 minutes ago, cjrulli said:

 

If last year showed us anything, we don't need stellar QB play to win big games. We need consistent and smart football. Wentz had less INTs than Ryan but let's not forget his INTs came in some extremely critical moments, as did some of his sacks. I am confident that we will be a better, more consistent and higher scoring offense than we were last season barring any major injuries. I'm willing to bet on that. 

 

I liked Rock and thought he was improving but CB play is not as important as line play. Better pass rush will make our entire secondary look better than it is. With the offensive rules the way they are I will take that trade any day all day because it will lead to more sacks and more punts opposed to getting beat on a 3 and 11 comeback route. I do agree that as of now we can consider it a wash until we see the proof. 

 

There are definitely weaknesses but I wouldn't say we have any major holes. No team has every position filled with depth. One position group will always be stronger than another. We don't have stellar wide receivers, but we have two extremely talented running backs that will be used in a far greater capacity this year. Our CBs aren't great, but do we need them to be great if our pass rush gets better? We have competent players at every position group with the occasional player who doesn't have a ton on tape yet but what they have put on tape has been promising (e.g. Pryor, Pinter, Rodgers). I do hope we resign Reed. 

 

Just curious, outside of Rock, what other player have we lost this year that you feel had the most positive impact on our team? I can't help but to look at this team and feel way more confident that we will be able to compete than I did last year. 

They’ve lost some players. Reed, Fisher (unless you want Pryor to be the LT), Glow. Also lost Doyle, Pascal and maybe Hilton. I didn’t want them back, but where’s the upgrades. 
 

But who have they even added?

 

Ngakoue is a good player. But he’s been so impactful and irreplaceable that he has been on 3 teams in the past two seasons. He should improve the pass rush, but losing Rock could hurt the pass defense. Net positive hopefully.

 

Already exhausted two posts on Ryan. If I were you, I wouldn’t make that bet you are taking about. 

 

Been on vacation, so maybe I missed some moves. But it seems like Ballard swapped Rock for a productive vet pass rusher and Wentz for an older Matt Ryan, who hasn’t really been a better QB than Wentz the past few years…and many fans are calling this offseason a slam dunk and talking like this team is in the driver’s seat for the AFCS.

 

That’s cool, but I just don’t see it…yet.

[Stephen]

42 minutes ago, Matabix said:

We made the playoffs. 

We got the youngest superstars. He's not building 1 or 2 successful years. He's building longevity. We got this draft were we can find a good TE into the 4th round a good WR into the 5th. CB into the 3rd. We good. Got a star RB that can win games. A QB that can makes layups and defense that just got nastier.

I disagree  our defense  is arguably not much better. We list more than we added especially  at cb. We also let a good safety go in odum. I guess one Yannick is better than a Muhammad  tray combo.

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, shasta519 said:

Drastically better on paper?

 

They swapped out one middle of the pack QB for another who has been middle of the pack the past few years. And while Ryan has a much better track record, he’s also 8 years older. His MVP season was a long time ago, much like Wentz’s was as well. And he is also going to be 38. Not every QB can be Brady, Rodgers or even Rivers:

 

Ngakoue is no doubt a big improvement in production and performance over Turay, who was previously the pass rushing specialist. Just about any proven pass rusher would have been.
 

But it did come at the cost of their CB1, who finally put together a very promising season. That’s a downgrade until we see how replacement. 

 

And starting CBs (in this defense) suddenly being less important with a better pass rush is still theoretical. For now, losing Rock offsets the pass rush improvement. 
 

I think this team can still win 9-10 games. But if there is any regression with TOs on defense or if Taylor merely plays at a level below being an MVP…I don’t see this team winning MORE games than last year, let alone being drastically better.
 

There are several holes on this roster. And we will have to see how they get addressed.

 

 

Ryan is 36 currently  he will be 37 at start of season 

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, cjrulli said:

 

If last year showed us anything, we don't need stellar QB play to win big games. We need consistent and smart football. Wentz had less INTs than Ryan but let's not forget his INTs came in some extremely critical moments, as did some of his sacks. I am confident that we will be a better, more consistent and higher scoring offense than we were last season barring any major injuries. I'm willing to bet on that. 

 

I liked Rock and thought he was improving but CB play is not as important as line play. Better pass rush will make our entire secondary look better than it is. With the offensive rules the way they are I will take that trade any day all day because it will lead to more sacks and more punts opposed to getting beat on a 3 and 11 comeback route. I do agree that as of now we can consider it a wash until we see the proof. 

 

There are definitely weaknesses but I wouldn't say we have any major holes. No team has every position filled with depth. One position group will always be stronger than another. We don't have stellar wide receivers, but we have two extremely talented running backs that will be used in a far greater capacity this year. Our CBs aren't great, but do we need them to be great if our pass rush gets better? We have competent players at every position group with the occasional player who doesn't have a ton on tape yet but what they have put on tape has been promising (e.g. Pryor, Pinter, Rodgers). I do hope we resign Reed. 

 

Just curious, outside of Rock, what other player have we lost this year that you feel had the most positive impact on our team? I can't help but to look at this team and feel way more confident that we will be able to compete than I did last year. 

With wentz it was also the fumbles.He fumbled often

[shasta519]

19 minutes ago, Goatface Killah said:

People like you are the equivilent of that hating "friend" we all had at some point that picks apart everything that you do and then when they finally prove you wrong, you wanna weasel your way into the frame and pretend you were rooting for them the entire time.

 

Being "middle of the pack" doesnt mean you werent good. 

 

 

 

Nah. I am the equivalent of the smart friend who gets it right a lot. Unless you just have dumb friends. 

 

You are apparently the friend that likes to move the goal posts and make strawman arguments. 
 

Where did I say Ryan wasn’t good? Middle of the pack QB in the NFL is typically a good QB. But it’s not a great QB or elite QB. The type that would “drastically” improve the QB position.

 

And your original position was that Ryan is a “drastic” improvement at QB.

I used actual recent and relevant data to show why I disagree. But all you heard was me being a hater who thinks Ryan is a bad QB. 
 

Think this conversation is probably over at this point. 

[Stephen]

1 hour ago, shasta519 said:

37 or 38…doesn’t really matter. Neither are age 33…which is the last time Ryan was actually really good QB. He’s also had really good weapons in ATL.

 

And cherry-picked stats without any context are literally nonsense. 

 

In a season of ridiculous QB numbers in 2020, Ryan was a middle of the pack QB at best, except for the one stat you posted. And he had those yards because he threw more passes than any QB. 
 

I like Ryan, a lot more than Wentz, but he’s been a middle of the pack QB for a few years now. And that’s not a drastic on-field or on-paper improvement.

 

Feel free to disagree, but the numbers are the numbers. And they can be very predictive, much like Father Time.

He has been  near the top at completion percentage  though 

[2006Coltsbestever]

40 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

@PrincetonTiger @2006Coltsbestever

[PrincetonTiger]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

[Goatface Killah]

28 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

Nah. I am the equivalent of the smart friend who gets it right a lot. Unless you just have dumb friends. 

 

You are apparently the friend that likes to move the goal posts and make strawman arguments. 
 

Where did I say Ryan wasn’t good? Middle of the pack QB in the NFL is typically a good QB. But it’s not a great QB or elite QB. The type that would “drastically” improve the QB position.

 

And your original position was that Ryan is a “drastic” improvement at QB.

I used actual recent and relevant data to show why I disagree. But all you heard was me being a hater who thinks Ryan is a bad QB. 
 

Think this conversation is probably over at this point. 

You think he has to be"great" to be a drastic improvement over Carson Wentz? Seriously? 

 

I think all he has to do is not throw left handed passes on the goaline, which I promise he wont do. He will check it down to Taylor when hes wide open, unlike Wentz as well, he will find ways to get gim the ball in space............

 

He has to be more accurate than Carson was, which he absolutely will be. Be better on 3rd down, which he absolutely will be. Be better at reading defenses, which he very much will be. Be better checking out of bad plays, which he will be, I assure you. Get rid of the ball quicker, which he will.........Or maybe not call his own number several dozen plays in a row and forget about our best player, which he also wont do either. 

 

Carson didnt get run out of town because of his stats. He got ran out of town because stats dont tell the real story. You cant evaluate QB play with just a stat sheet. 

 

Nobody has said that Matt Ryan is still a great QB. That is the only strawman argument that is being had here. But he is gonna be a hell of a lot better than Wentz was........ on the Colts. Because the truth is, his numbers on a rebuilding Falcons team dont matter at all. What matter is what he can do with JT and Michael Pittman, with this OL and everything else he will have as his support system, in Indianapolis. 

[Yoshinator]

So 3 days with Matt Ryan and we signed nobody. Here comes day number 4. This is getting bad honestly. We open up salary cap, and nothing. Why are we opening up cap if we aren't signing FAs? Does Matt Ryan not attract FAs? Is Ballard literally low-balling every FA he is interested in at this moment? Is he just doing a mini-tank at this time, using Matt Ryan to appease the fan base? Or is it that he's stubbornly going against what 31 other GMs are doing, thinking his way is still the right way, when the results have been poor?

 

Stop sinking this team Ballard! You don't even have a 1st round pick in the draft this year. Previous years you had either a 1st round pick, or you traded it away for a legitimate player, or you traded down and had multiple 2nd round picks. None of that is true this year. This year, our 1st rounder is gone. It is a sunk cost in Wentz and there is no value in it. We have only one 2nd round pick as well. Unlike previous years where we got Braden and Leonard, and Taylor and Pittman. You seriously think you will outdraft other teams in the NFL by such a wide margin that it not only makes up for a lack of a first-round pick, but the lack of signing anyone in FA as well? You are crazy Ballard! 

 

There is no way this ends well IMO, and it's going to blow up in Ballard's face once he sees all the weaknesses in the team after the draft and the beginning of the season. Expect a draft like last years, except without someone like a Kwity Paye that was a surefire top 20 player in most people's rankings.

[Peterk2011]

Sometimes I feel people just want circus. "Something to happen" every few days, to keep them entertained. Pff says the Colts are the 2nd most improved team so far in this offseason. I don't agree with them (because it is too early to judge), but thats not the point. The point is, the Colts are in much better shape now than we could've realistically hoped for a few weeks ago. But it doesn't matter. What matters - what makes free agency entertaining - is getting new dose of events early and often.

 

 

 

[Yoshinator]

6 minutes ago, Peterk2011 said:

Sometimes I feel people just want circus. "Something to happen" every few days, to keep them entertained. Pff says the Colts are the 2nd most improved team so far in this offseason. I don't agree with them (because it is too early to judge), but thats not the point. The point is, the Colts are in much better shape now than we could've realistically hoped for a few weeks ago. But it doesn't matter. What matters - what makes free agency entertaining - is getting new dose of events early and often.

 

 

 

The Broncos and Colts are my two teams, but this is very skewed. When you go from Elighner to Ryan, and Lock to Wilson, it definitely gives you offseason improvement because of the QB position. Likewise, the Falcons and Seahawks are on the very bottom of that list because of them trading them away. Most of the improvements from other teams is a bunch of small improvements besides the big FAs, however, most of those teams already had a QB in place.

 

As I've said before, I like the Matt Ryan signing, but it's almost useless on its own unless you upgrade the team around him, and the draft by itself is not enough when you don't have a 1st round pick and every other team is upgrading through FA and the draft.

[RollerColt]

44 minutes ago, Peterk2011 said:

Sometimes I feel people just want circus. "Something to happen" every few days, to keep them entertained. Pff says the Colts are the 2nd most improved team so far in this offseason. I don't agree with them (because it is too early to judge), but thats not the point. The point is, the Colts are in much better shape now than we could've realistically hoped for a few weeks ago. But it doesn't matter. What matters - what makes free agency entertaining - is getting new dose of events early and often.

 

 

 

Interesting. Getting Yannick has to be a large of the equation. 

[Flash7]

Last year, there were many on here who complained about how Ballard dealt with the D-line situation during free agency. He lost Autry and allowed Houston to walk. His Free Agent replacement signing was Rochelle and he relied on rookies to fill in. Many on this forum were complaining that they could foresee this would be an issue. Then during the season, it was clear that it was an issue. The Colts generated very little pass rush, even while D. Buckner was being double teamed. Not one other player was able to consistently step up and win their battles. The entire defense suffered for it.

TE - Now this year, Jack Doyle has retired. We can all see the need at TE. We are currently weaker here. It's fair to want Ballard to address this during FA. If he drafts a TE, great! That would be a good move for the future of the team, but we still need impact players this upcoming year. (See Granson as a baseline for rookie TEs).

 

WR - We can all see the need at WR and have for years. Ballard's signings of guys like Grant, Funchess, K. Aiken have not moved the needle at all. He needs to do better. If he drafts a WR, that's great. We still need more that Pittman and a rookie. The other guys on the roster at this point are JAGs.

 

DB - It looks like we are not bringing X. Rhodes back and we've traded away Rock. That's both of our starting DBs. It's fair to want Ballard to bring in viable replacements during FA. If he drafts a CB or two, that's great for the future of the team. But we need viable starters for this upcoming season.

 

There are still plenty of other needs. But I think you get the picture. 

 

[throwing BBZ]

13 hours ago, shasta519 said:

They’ve lost some players. Reed, Fisher (unless you want Pryor to be the LT), Glow. Also lost Doyle, Pascal and maybe Hilton. I didn’t want them back, but where’s the upgrades. 
 

But who have they even added?

 

Ngakoue is a good player. But he’s been so impactful and irreplaceable that he has been on 3 teams in the past two seasons. He should improve the pass rush, but losing Rock could hurt the pass defense. Net positive hopefully.

 

Already exhausted two posts on Ryan. If I were you, I wouldn’t make that bet you are taking about. 

 

Been on vacation, so maybe I missed some moves. But it seems like Ballard swapped Rock for a productive vet pass rusher and Wentz for an older Matt Ryan, who hasn’t really been a better QB than Wentz the past few years…and many fans are calling this offseason a slam dunk and talking like this team is in the driver’s seat for the AFCS.

 

That’s cool, but I just don’t see it…yet.

 

 "slam dunk" you are talking some bull. Wentz has been better the last few years. You are cracking me up. It seems trading Rock for Fayscon may be a wash.
 The upgrade is the anticipated jump in year two-three of a number of players along with a better defensive scheme. Pinter may be better than Glow who played very well for 4-6 games a season (TY) and tapered off to middling for the rest of the season.
 OBVIOUSLY, there are good additions yet to come as we anxiously wait.
  What Ballard SHOULD be waiting on is for a few more of these pricey FA's to go off the board gobbling up $$$ and slots. This will put pressure on the remaining players that he is interested in to get the best deal they can get before the draft limits their options further. 
 WE want a few more studs where i think he wants as deep a roster as he can build. Long term he has to trust player development foremost. And we have some good 2-3 rd year prospects that must come on. 
It is Great that Reggie is here NOW! I think he likes what he is going to be working with. Come on REGGIE!!!

[throwing BBZ]

10 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

Last year, there were many on here who complained about how Ballard dealt with the D-line situation during free agency. He lost Autry and allowed Houston to walk. His Free Agent replacement signing was Rochelle and he relied on rookies to fill in. Many on this forum were complaining that they could foresee this would be an issue. Then during the season, it was clear that it was an issue. The Colts generated very little pass rush, even while D. Buckner was being double teamed. Not one other player was able to consistently step up and win their battles. The entire defense suffered for it.

TE - Now this year, Jack Doyle has retired. We can all see the need at TE. We are currently weaker here. It's fair to want Ballard to address this during FA. If he drafts a TE, great! That would be a good move for the future of the team, but we still need impact players this upcoming year. (See Granson as a baseline for rookie TEs).

 

WR - We can all see the need at WR and have for years. Ballard's signings of guys like Grant, Funchess, K. Aiken have not moved the needle at all. He needs to do better. If he drafts a WR, that's great. We still need more that Pittman and a rookie. The other guys on the roster at this point are JAGs.

 

DB - It looks like we are not bringing X. Rhodes back and we've traded away Rock. That's both of our starting DBs. It's fair to want Ballard to bring in viable replacements during FA. If he drafts a CB or two, that's great for the future of the team. But we need viable starters for this upcoming season.

 

There are still plenty of other needs. But I think you get the picture. 

 

 

 Kwity was winning many battles. sorry you missed it.
 There is every reason to expect a 2nd year jump for both rookies.
 As much as most of us like Doyle, he didn't contribute much las season.
Granson turned out to be a Good blocker and should be very effective in his roll in the passing game. Most here expect more from Mo so i perhaps we are as in good or better shape at TE, and with more help to come.
 You ignore Campbell at your own peril, and how many here had high hopes for our two big rookies WR's? Year two and with Reggie and Ryan we should expect at least one of them to step into being a good role player.
 Ballard will add a really good rookie of course.
 We have our starting CB's.

[Flash7]

22 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 [1[ Kwity was winning many battles. sorry you missed it.
 There is every reason to expect a 2nd year jump for both rookies.
 [2] As much as most of us like Doyle, he didn't contribute much las season.
[3] Granson turned out to be a Good blocker and should be very effective in his roll in the passing game. Most here expect more from Mo so i perhaps we are as in good or better shape at TE, and with more help to come.
[4]  You ignore Campbell at your own peril, and how many here had high hopes for our two big rookies WR's? Year two and with Reggie and Ryan we should expect at least one of them to step into being a good role player.
 Ballard will add a really good rookie of course.
 [5]We have our starting CB's.

[1] Kwity was good. Don't make a bigger deal of it than that. And I said consistently won their battles. Of course some people won their battles. Kwity will get better.

[2] Doyle is gone and yet no replacement. Doesn't matter if he contributed much last year or not. What matters is do we have a viable replacement? And hopefully a replacement that can provide more. We don't have that yet.

[3] There is still a hole at TE, even with Granson.

[4] Don't rely on Campbell. Haven't forgotten about him, but not much to remember.

[5] Are you talking about Patmon and Strachan? Are you holding out the same hope for them as you did Fountain and Cain and Marcus Johnson? Sure, we'd like for them to develop and contribute, but I'm a realist. A majority of these guys will not contribute in any meaningful way.

 

[Four2itus]

11 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

[2] Doyle is gone and yet no replacement. Doesn't matter if he contributed much last year or not. What matters is do we have a viable replacement? And hopefully a replacement that can provide more. We don't have that yet.

[3] There is still a hole at TE, even with Granson.

Just because the fans haven't seen enough of Granson to know he will fill the roll Jack did, does not mean that the team doesn't. Not harping on you, but one of my constant amazements is fans judging development by what they have seen? What if the Colts felt that he was over half way to being a number 2, but didn't want to interrupt Wentz's struggle with consistency to get Kyle more playing time? Maybe they thought that this year would be Jack's last and he would split time with him.  

 

I am sure they'll add a less expensive vet and a draftee. But there is no hole IMO. To be clear, he won't be Jack out of the gate, if ever....but hopefully is good enough to be the #2. 

[Flash7]

2 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Just because the fans haven't seen enough of Granson to know he will fill the roll Jack did, does not mean that the team doesn't. Not harping on you, but one of my constant amazements is fans judging development by what they have seen? What if the Colts felt that he was over half way to being a number 2, but didn't want to interrupt Wentz's struggle with consistency to get Kyle more playing time? Maybe they thought that this year would be Jack's last and he would split time with him.  

 

I am sure they'll add a less expensive vet and a draftee. But there is no hole IMO. To be clear, he won't be Jack out of the gate, if ever....but hopefully is good enough to be the #2. 

I understand. I'm all for development and opportunity when it's warranted.

 

My initial argument was that the fans on this forum saw that we were weaker at D-line/pass rush last year. We were given many reasons by some on this forum for why Ballard did what he did, (he wanted to go younger, he didn't want to overpay for players, etc. as if they knew Ballard's inner thoughts). We were told others would develop and step in (Turay, Banogu, etc.) but they didn't. In the end, they were wrong and we were right. And we saw it coming because the signs were clear.

 

Now you could've made the argument that the GM and coaches/team had seen the D-line and their development and decided that it would've been good enough. It clearly wasn't. Hence, they were wrong. What makes you confident that they could not be wrong about the TE position? Fair question, right?

 

I'm not a dooms day person. I think we have a good team and that's always been my position. The problem is that good is not enough. Good is the enemy of great.

[PrincetonTiger]

38 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

Just because the fans haven't seen enough of Granson to know he will fill the roll Jack did, does not mean that the team doesn't. Not harping on you, but one of my constant amazements is fans judging development by what they have seen? What if the Colts felt that he was over half way to being a number 2, but didn't want to interrupt Wentz's struggle with consistency to get Kyle more playing time? Maybe they thought that this year would be Jack's last and he would split time with him.  

 

I am sure they'll add a less expensive vet and a draftee. But there is no hole IMO. To be clear, he won't be Jack out of the gate, if ever....but hopefully is good enough to be the #2. 

Bingo

[MacDee1975]

18 hours ago, Goatface Killah said:

nonsense

 

Matt Ryan just threw for 4500 yards in 2020. 

 

He also isnt 38. He is 36 and will be 37 soon, but he isnt 38.

 

He is a much better QB than Carson. 

 

 

Also, if he wants to compare apples to apples.....look at where the 2021 Colts stood in March of 2021 if your gonna look at where the 2022 Colts stand in March of 2022.

[Happy2BeHere]

Losing jack Doyle is a big loss when it comes to the run game. He was a HUGE reason Taylor did as well as he did. Doyle was extremely valuable last year.

[GoColts8818]

2 hours ago, Four2itus said:

Just because the fans haven't seen enough of Granson to know he will fill the roll Jack did, does not mean that the team doesn't. Not harping on you, but one of my constant amazements is fans judging development by what they have seen? What if the Colts felt that he was over half way to being a number 2, but didn't want to interrupt Wentz's struggle with consistency to get Kyle more playing time? Maybe they thought that this year would be Jack's last and he would split time with him.  

 

I am sure they'll add a less expensive vet and a draftee. But there is no hole IMO. To be clear, he won't be Jack out of the gate, if ever....but hopefully is good enough to be the #2. 

Granson was never drafted to replace jack.  He’s a different type of player.  Jack was a boarder line sixth offensive lineman.  Granson has never been seen as a blocker.  He was drafted to give them something they didn’t have a tightend and there is nothing wrong with that.  If he takes a step towards that this year he will give them a much needed weapon.  Mo is the one who is going to be asked to take on Doyle’s role and there is nothing wrong with that he’s more designed for it.

[Four2itus]

2 hours ago, Flash7 said:

I understand. I'm all for development and opportunity when it's warranted.

 

My initial argument was that the fans on this forum saw that we were weaker at D-line/pass rush last year. We were given many reasons by some on this forum for why Ballard did what he did, (he wanted to go younger, he didn't want to overpay for players, etc. as if they knew Ballard's inner thoughts). We were told others would develop and step in (Turay, Banogu, etc.) but they didn't. In the end, they were wrong and we were right. And we saw it coming because the signs were clear.

 

Now you could've made the argument that the GM and coaches/team had seen the D-line and their development and decided that it would've been good enough. It clearly wasn't. Hence, they were wrong. What makes you confident that they could not be wrong about the TE position? Fair question, right?

 

I'm not a dooms day person. I think we have a good team and that's always been my position. The problem is that good is not enough. Good is the enemy of great.

I understand. However, if we had been developing those d-lineman correctly, would we have let those coaches/coordinators out of the building? I'll wait to pass judgement on the totality of Ballards gets on this subject for another year. 

 

In addition, what does developing D-line have to do with developing TE's? Those are not combined skills. Sorry, but the whole we were right and they were wrong thing makes me chuckle. Take whatever stance you want, but I cannot rightfully type that crap from my computer having never coached or tried to draft and develop NFL talent. That is the definition of fan arrogance in a general sense to me.  See bolded above

[Four2itus]

7 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Granson was never drafted to replace jack.  He’s a different type of player.  Jack was a boarder line sixth offensive lineman.  Granson has never been seen as a blocker.  He was drafted to give them something they didn’t have a tightend and there is nothing wrong with that.  If he takes a step towards that this year he will give them a much needed weapon.  Mo is the one who is going to be asked to take on Doyle’s role and there is nothing wrong with that he’s more designed for it.

I did not mean to infer he was replacing Jack....but there is only so many snaps for 3 TE's. Moe would certainly be the one to take more of Jack's role. Bottom line, we know a tiny morsel of what the team and staff know about Granson. Making a definitive from afar with no actual depth to your knowledge is silly. 

 

To the bolded...he held up pretty well blocking last season in his limited role. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

6 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

So 3 days with Matt Ryan and we signed nobody. Here comes day number 4. This is getting bad honestly. We open up salary cap, and nothing. Why are we opening up cap if we aren't signing FAs? Does Matt Ryan not attract FAs? Is Ballard literally low-balling every FA he is interested in at this moment? Is he just doing a mini-tank at this time, using Matt Ryan to appease the fan base? Or is it that he's stubbornly going against what 31 other GMs are doing, thinking his way is still the right way, when the results have been poor?

 

Stop sinking this team Ballard! You don't even have a 1st round pick in the draft this year. Previous years you had either a 1st round pick, or you traded it away for a legitimate player, or you traded down and had multiple 2nd round picks. None of that is true this year. This year, our 1st rounder is gone. It is a sunk cost in Wentz and there is no value in it. We have only one 2nd round pick as well. Unlike previous years where we got Braden and Leonard, and Taylor and Pittman. You seriously think you will outdraft other teams in the NFL by such a wide margin that it not only makes up for a lack of a first-round pick, but the lack of signing anyone in FA as well? You are crazy Ballard! 

 

There is no way this ends well IMO, and it's going to blow up in Ballard's face once he sees all the weaknesses in the team after the draft and the beginning of the season. Expect a draft like last years, except without someone like a Kwity Paye that was a surefire top 20 player in most people's rankings.

 

Ballard won't overpay!!! 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 3/24/2022 at 12:21 PM, OLD FAN MAN said:

delayed gratification!!!!!!!

 

Ok.....but I'm not getting any younger.....how much "delayed"? 

[2006Coltsbestever]

6 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

So 3 days with Matt Ryan and we signed nobody. Here comes day number 4. This is getting bad honestly. We open up salary cap, and nothing. Why are we opening up cap if we aren't signing FAs? Does Matt Ryan not attract FAs? Is Ballard literally low-balling every FA he is interested in at this moment? Is he just doing a mini-tank at this time, using Matt Ryan to appease the fan base? Or is it that he's stubbornly going against what 31 other GMs are doing, thinking his way is still the right way, when the results have been poor?

 

Stop sinking this team Ballard! You don't even have a 1st round pick in the draft this year. Previous years you had either a 1st round pick, or you traded it away for a legitimate player, or you traded down and had multiple 2nd round picks. None of that is true this year. This year, our 1st rounder is gone. It is a sunk cost in Wentz and there is no value in it. We have only one 2nd round pick as well. Unlike previous years where we got Braden and Leonard, and Taylor and Pittman. You seriously think you will outdraft other teams in the NFL by such a wide margin that it not only makes up for a lack of a first-round pick, but the lack of signing anyone in FA as well? You are crazy Ballard! 

 

There is no way this ends well IMO, and it's going to blow up in Ballard's face once he sees all the weaknesses in the team after the draft and the beginning of the season. Expect a draft like last years, except without someone like a Kwity Paye that was a surefire top 20 player in most people's rankings.

[Yoshinator]

5 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Darius, get Ballard in a one-on-one meeting and tell him to sign some FAs!  

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 3/24/2022 at 11:50 AM, Four2itus said:

 

Seriously though....doesn't this thread belong in the Ballard complaint thread?

 

That thread is growing and growing and growing..... 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

That thread is growing and growing and growing..... 

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 hour ago, MacDee1975 said:

 

Also, if he wants to compare apples to apples.....look at where the 2021 Colts stood in March of 2021 if your gonna look at where the 2022 Colts stand in March of 2022.

[Flash7]

44 minutes ago, Four2itus said:

[1] In addition, what does developing the D-line have to do with developing TE's? Those are not combined skills. Sorry, but the whole we were right and they were wrong thing makes me chuckle. Take whatever stance you want, but I cannot rightfully type that crap from my computer having never coached or tried to draft and develop NFL talent. [2] That is the definition of fan arrogance in a general sense to me.  

I've marked your comments and will address them accordingly for clarity:

 

[1] My argument is not on the development of D-linemen vs. TEs. It's a rebuttal to your argument about the team and coaches knowing what they have in Granson. Please let me explain.

 

Here is what you had stated: "Just because the fans haven't seen enough of Granson to know he will fill the roll Jack did, does not mean that the team doesn't."

 

You are implying that the team sees Granson day in and day out and are confident with moving forward with him as their TE#2 (I assume behind MAC, although they play different roles at the TE position). 

 

My counter argument was that they also saw the defensive linemen day in and day out. They were confident in moving forward with that group and that was a misjudgment on their part. If they could be wrong about that, how do you know that they cannot be wrong about the TE group this year?

 

[2] It's not coming from a place of arrogance. It's certainly not intended to be.  I admit that I am not an NFL coach, player, talent evaluator, etc.. I'm just a fan. And yet, as just a fan, I could see that we would have issues with the D-line last year. The talent level was inferior. Similarly, if we go into the season with just MAC and Granson as our primary TE's, I think it will be a mistake, but that's just my opinion. Stating these arguments does not make me arrogant, I don't think. Certainly hope not.

[Four2itus]

53 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

I've marked your comments and will address them accordingly for clarity:

 

[1] My argument is not on the development of D-linemen vs. TEs. It's a rebuttal to your argument about the team and coaches knowing what they have in Granson. Please let me explain.

 

Here is what you had stated: "Just because the fans haven't seen enough of Granson to know he will fill the roll Jack did, does not mean that the team doesn't."

 

You are implying that the team sees Granson day in and day out and are confident with moving forward with him as their TE#2 (I assume behind MAC, although they play different roles at the TE position). 

 

My counter argument was that they also saw the defensive linemen day in and day out. They were confident in moving forward with that group and that was a misjudgment on their part. If they could be wrong about that, how do you know that they cannot be wrong about the TE group this year?

 

[2] It's not coming from a place of arrogance. It's certainly not intended to be.  I admit that I am not an NFL coach, player, talent evaluator, etc.. I'm just a fan. And yet, as just a fan, I could see that we would have issues with the D-line last year. The talent level was inferior. Similarly, if we go into the season with just MAC and Granson as our primary TE's, I think it will be a mistake, but that's just my opinion. Stating these arguments does not make me arrogant, I don't think. Certainly hope not.

Got you. To the first underlined, I am still not sure that they missed on both those defensive players. I want to see what Gus does with them. Second, assuming a TE is not the guy in one year is folly. I don't think they missed, and am patient to see what happens this year. 

 

To the second underlined....do you know it was talent....or was it development/scheme?