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37 minutes ago, Commandersfan202 said:

I agree with you 

I think colts should just go wideout with the second round. Maybe get Carson strong in the third .


That’s a big part of the equation. And I do really like the Ryan pickup if the intention is to draft and develop a QB and let him learn behind Ryan for a year or two. So we will see about that.

 

As for this year, unless we see a few moves prior to the draft (which we might), there are probably more pressing needs in the draft. 

 

They also gtd his $35M cap hit next year, which means they are committed to him for at least 2 years. So in that way, it is a win now move. But I also think it is setting it them up to draft one next year. 

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1 hour ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Rumor is we had a deal with Ju Ju when it looked like Watson was going to Falcons. Because Ryan would of been a colt. When Watson changed his mind so did Ju Ju. He could of held out a little longer to see who the colts QB was but he had a chance to go to the chiefs.  The QB situation  taking longer then expected screwed everything up.


For sure. Getting rid of Wentz early was still the right move though. 

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12 hours ago, Commandersfan202 said:

I don’t think Matt Ryan is better at this point .

 

no evident of that unless we talking 2016-2018 version .

I guess we will see. Jacoby, Rivers and Wentz all improved substantially under Reich and this roster. Obviously I’m speculating but I’m betting Ryan’s strong ability to read a defense will fit this scheme very well. Probably not a lot of deep balls but will be able to work the 10-15yd range that backs the defense off the line and moves the ball down the field. This is a pairing that has a short shelf life so hopefully we can maximize it while getting someone to develop. 
 

I hope Wentz does really well with the Commanders. I liked him and think if he can put it all together can be a great QB for a decade. I will be following your teams progress bc I like your QB, love your coach and think you will have the best DE in the league.

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19 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

Dropping this pebble in the calm waters

 

 


I do disagree. But the Colts two moves weren’t even FAs…so why didn’t they just say offseason?

 

I assume this is using their WAR?

 

Otherwise, it would seem PFF is sort of contradicting their own grades and rankings here. Ryan was actually behind Wentz in their QB Total rankings last year.

 

We can’t compare Rock and Yannick position rankings since they are different, but Rock did have a much higher grade than Yannick. Ngakoue actually had a <50 PFF grade last year. 

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3 hours ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Rumor is we had a deal with Ju Ju when it looked like Watson was going to Falcons. Because Ryan would of been a colt. When Watson changed his mind so did Ju Ju. He could of held out a little longer to see who the colts QB was but he had a chance to go to the chiefs.  The QB situation  taking longer then expected screwed everything up.

ballard was sitting on his hands while the elite talented receivers signed with other teams

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3 hours ago, shasta519 said:


For sure. Getting rid of Wentz early was still the right move though. 

Yup and I have a renewed faith in Ballard. I suspect both he and Reich got an ... chewing by  Irsay. I really believe Reich and I think Ballard needed to be reminded to spend more money. Honey Badger would be a good signing and I think it will happen. I think there is something going on behind close doors to get one more big signing. The off season has been a win so far. 

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1 hour ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

ballard was sitting on his hands while the elite talented receivers signed with other teams

U cannot sign  elite wrs if u have no qbs. What free agent wr was going to  sign with the Colts when the only qb u have is Sam? Ain't going to happen. Plus, I am not a big supporter of signing 1st day wr free agents. It is the most expensive acquisition. If u go back, I would dare u to find one that ended up transforming a team with their play.

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5 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

U cannot sign  elite wrs if u have no qbs. What free agent wr was going to  sign with the Colts when the only qb u have is Sam? Ain't going to happen. Plus, I am not a big supporter of signing 1st day wr free agents. It is the most expensive acquisition. If u go back, I would dare u to find one that ended up transforming a team with their play.

Stefon Diggs helped get Allen to next level

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On 3/22/2022 at 10:25 AM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I agree 100%, he has made up for everything now and then some. Some people just don't have patience, Ballard is good. We will win the division with a QB that is good and competent. Their was a poll put up by @EastStreetwho would have the better record, us, Washington, or Philly. That is easy to answer to now.

I've always loved MR. And I live in the SE so have seen him plenty. But I'm trying to stay level on the pickup. I'll be happy is we get a few good years out of him. 

 

That said, it's not a long term fix. And we need other things before I say it's an easy answer. 

 

On 3/22/2022 at 10:21 AM, Bluesmith said:

Ballard has traded Carson Wentz and Rock Ya Sin for:

Matt Ryan and Yannick Ngakoue

AND

moved up 9 spots in the second and third round

AND

received a third (probable second) round pick next year.

 

I will take same old same old everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, no other GM pulls that off.

The Wentz for Ryan flip, in terms of draft capital, needs to play out. And to be blunt, it was a product of timing/luck even if it works out. We lucked out that ATL p!ssed off MR by going after DW, and further lucked out that we didn't have to absorb another 40M that ATL is eating. ATL is rebuilding at this point, so perfect storm for us. 

 

In terms of YN and RYS, I agree that YN is nice to have. But we now have two CB holes. 

 

And let's not forget we still don't have a 1st. So the 9 spot movement up, is not so great when you consider we jettison'd a guy after only one year that we gave up a 1st+ for. Ryan isn't a long term answer. Hopefully he still has some magic left, but our QB situation overall is still a question. Just put on pause for a year. 

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1 minute ago, EastStreet said:

I've always loved MR. And I live in the SE so have seen him plenty. But I'm trying to stay level on the pickup. I'll be happy is we get a few good years out of him. 

 

That said, it's not a long term fix. And we need other things before I say it's an easy answer. 

 

The Wentz for Ryan flip, in terms of draft capital, needs to play out. And to be blunt, it was a product of timing/luck even if it works out. We lucked out that ATL p!ssed off MR by going after DW, and further lucked out that we didn't have to absorb another 40M that ATL is eating. ATL is rebuilding at this point, so perfect storm for us. 

 

In terms of YN and RYS, I agree that YN is nice to have. But we now have two CB holes. 

 

And let's not forget we still don't have a 1st. So the 9 spot movement up, is not so great when you consider we jettison'd a guy after only one year that we gave up a 1st+ for. Ryan isn't a long term answer. Hopefully he still has some magic left, but our QB situation overall is still a question. Just put on pause for a year. 

Matt Ryan IMO has at least 2 good solid years left unlike Rivers did and Rivers was good. Ryan is just a tad younger luckily. We will probably draft a QB next season and go all in, in this years draft as in drafting a LT and a WR early. Just a guess. I have no dislike toward Wentz, he had a 27-7 TD/INT ratio and wasn't bad. He was actually above average but Ryan is simply better if you give him a good roster around him. Ryan's leadership is something else too, you could just feel it as he spoke in his presser.

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11 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Matt Ryan IMO has at least 2 good solid years left unlike Rivers did and Rivers was good. Ryan is just a tad younger luckily. We will probably draft a QB next season and go all in, in this years draft as in drafting a LT and a WR early. Just a guess. I have no dislike toward Wentz, he had a 27-7 TD/INT ratio and wasn't bad. He was actually above average but Ryan is simply better if you give him a good roster around him. Ryan's leadership is something else too, you could just feel it as he spoke in his presser.

I don't think we know what MR has left in the tank. I won't pretend I'm not optimistic for this season. But I also won't pretend I'm not feeling meh due to another short term move. 

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4 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

I don't think we know what MR has left in the tank. I won't pretend I'm not optimistic for this season. But I also won't pretend I'm not feeling meh due to another short term move. 

I think Ryan will do well, he is healthy and takes care of his body so I am optimistic.

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4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I think Ryan will do well, he is healthy and takes care of his body so I am optimistic.

My dream is we pick up, or draft a gem at WR, Pryor works out at LT, we solve 2 CB spots, our DL figures out the sack mystery, and MR has 2 years left of high level play.

 

Then I wake up. Perhaps I need to drink more. :thmup:

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9 hours ago, AwesomeAustin said:

I guess we will see. Jacoby, Rivers and Wentz all improved substantially under Reich and this roster. Obviously I’m speculating but I’m betting Ryan’s strong ability to read a defense will fit this scheme very well. Probably not a lot of deep balls but will be able to work the 10-15yd range that backs the defense off the line and moves the ball down the field. This is a pairing that has a short shelf life so hopefully we can maximize it while getting someone to develop. 
 

I hope Wentz does really well with the Commanders. I liked him and think if he can put it all together can be a great QB for a decade. I will be following your teams progress bc I like your QB, love your coach and think you will have the best DE in the league.

You guys should win about 9 or 11 wins imo this season with Matt Ryan. I only say I don’t feel he’s better than wentz at this point is just because of the arm difference . Matt Ryan arm isn’t the same as it use to be , and colts had alot of big plays to Pittman down the field with wentz arm.

 

But if you guys can get another wideout and a tight end to complement , than no doubt I can see Matt Ryan having a good year . 
 

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10 hours ago, AwesomeAustin said:

I guess we will see. Jacoby, Rivers and Wentz all improved substantially under Reich and this roster. Obviously I’m speculating but I’m betting Ryan’s strong ability to read a defense will fit this scheme very well. Probably not a lot of deep balls but will be able to work the 10-15yd range that backs the defense off the line and moves the ball down the field. This is a pairing that has a short shelf life so hopefully we can maximize it while getting someone to develop. 
 

I hope Wentz does really well with the Commanders. I liked him and think if he can put it all together can be a great QB for a decade. I will be following your teams progress bc I like your QB, love your coach and think you will have the best DE in the league.

There's a lot to unpack in your post, but you do bring up several good areas.

My thoughts.

  • Reich's O has been way too inconsistent, and way too conservative.
    • Don't expect a lot deep stuff. He's been way conservative here.
    • he's been 0-10 heavy, and has tried to turn deep threat WRs into possession guys...
  • Ryan will be good short, better than Wentz, not sure better than Rivers. Rivers is one of the best ever at reading Ds. Wentz has always been more of a extending mid to deep guy, so not sure it's fair comparison. 
  • Ryan throws nice deep timing routes, but how much will FR actually call?
  • On Wentz, Irsay soured things early season. Who knows what he will do, but wish him well. If he outplays MR, we're going to look pretty dumb. 
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1 hour ago, EastStreet said:

There's a lot to unpack in your post, but you do bring up several good areas.

My thoughts.

  • Reich's O has been way too inconsistent, and way too conservative.
    • Don't expect a lot deep stuff. He's been way conservative here.
    • he's been 0-10 heavy, and has tried to turn deep threat WRs into possession guys...
  • Ryan will be good short, better than Wentz, not sure better than Rivers. Rivers is one of the best ever at reading Ds. Wentz has always been more of a extending mid to deep guy, so not sure it's fair comparison. 
  • Ryan throws nice deep timing routes, but how much will FR actually call?
  • On Wentz, Irsay soured things early season. Who knows what he will do, but wish him well. If he outplays MR, we're going to look pretty dumb. 

Great to see you posting. Maybe I’ve missed it but haven’t seen you comment in awhile. I do think Ryan is closer to Rivers than Wentz. He can throw deeper routes but like you said Reich won’t call them. I’m hoping it’s a good combination of quick passes and 12-15yd chunk plays that can allow our guys to get YAC. 
 

I’m really hoping Reich will get his act together this season and start to call better plays in the moment. I doubt it will happen bc he has a long history of being predictable and one dimensional. Hopefully Ryan can be a little more of a mix of Wentz and Rivers so Reich will let him play to his strength. I’m still predicting Reich gets himself fired this year so fingers crossed. 

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56 minutes ago, AwesomeAustin said:

Great to see you posting. Maybe I’ve missed it but haven’t seen you comment in awhile. I do think Ryan is closer to Rivers than Wentz. He can throw deeper routes but like you said Reich won’t call them. I’m hoping it’s a good combination of quick passes and 12-15yd chunk plays that can allow our guys to get YAC. 
 

I’m really hoping Reich will get his act together this season and start to call better plays in the moment. I doubt it will happen bc he has a long history of being predictable and one dimensional. Hopefully Ryan can be a little more of a mix of Wentz and Rivers so Reich will let him play to his strength. I’m still predicting Reich gets himself fired this year so fingers crossed. 

March Madness. Had to take time off lol. 

I've gotten busier too. 

 

Rivers and Wentz were good deep. MR is too. Frequency is key.

 

Key year for FR. 

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8 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

March Madness. Had to take time off lol. 

I've gotten busier too. 

 

Rivers and Wentz were good deep. MR is too. Frequency is key.

 

Key year for FR. 

We need some weapons to give the QB confidence to throw deep, too. I really think we need a speedster who can threaten both after the catch and on deep routes. Not sure TY can still do that. 

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Just now, stitches said:

We need some weapons to give the QB confidence to throw deep, too. I really think we need a speedster who can threaten both after the catch and on deep routes. Not sure TY can still do that. 

Hey brother. Yup. Not sure if weapons, especially a deep speedster will make a difference. We've had some deep ball specialists, fast guys in general, etc... Anyone as good as 4.4ish or better can burn outside guys, and easily torch inside guys. TY is fast enough to be effective even if he's not his 4.3ish infancy. We have fast guys. Will FR use them. I'm tired of him taking a z/slot guy and trying to make him a possession guy. 

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3 minutes ago, stitches said:

We need some weapons to give the QB confidence to throw deep, too. I really think we need a speedster who can threaten both after the catch and on deep routes. Not sure TY can still do that. 

I think we are good on offense except for that deep threat spot and depth on the OL and TE. Hopefully between Campbell, Dulin and Patmon, one of them can emerge as a deep threat. I would like to see more variety across the WRs and have them move around some. MPJ could play the X mostly but also play a bully slot role with Strachan at the X. The other guys can change between slot and the Z.  I get we don’t have stars but hopefully we can make up for that with solid play and scheme.  

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6 hours ago, stitches said:

We need some weapons to give the QB confidence to throw deep, too. I really think we need a speedster who can threaten both after the catch and on deep routes. Not sure TY can still do that. 

I had forgot about Coutee still being on the roster. I do think he can provide some of that but we need better.

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7 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Hey brother. Yup. Not sure if weapons, especially a deep speedster will make a difference. We've had some deep ball specialists, fast guys in general, etc... Anyone as good as 4.4ish or better can burn outside guys, and easily torch inside guys. TY is fast enough to be effective even if he's not his 4.3ish infancy. We have fast guys. Will FR use them. I'm tired of him taking a z/slot guy and trying to make him a possession guy. 

You know I'm not the biggest fan of the conservative nature of Reich's playcalling, but I feel like personnel has a bit to do with it too. I also don't think just any speedster would do. There are tons of super fast receiver that are not good players and even though they have speed they can't get open and/or can't locate and catch what's thrown their way. We need good players that can do it all, while being fast. 

 

QB's chemistry and trust with his WRs is important too. Some QBs just refuse to throw to players they don't trust to catch the ball. It's weird because Wentz was actually launching it relatively frequently at least in the beginning of the season. He got really lucky with some late/underthrows where we got DPIs... I wonder if Ryan will develop a good timing and trust with any of our WRs. I really hope the offense won't be as limited as it was with Rivers(although watching Rivers operate was joy for me too... he just seemed to always know what he has to do and where he has to go, he was really impressive for how limited physically he was). Hopefully Matt Ryan gives us some of the same cerebral play but we get some more  big throws downfield too. 

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2 hours ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

I had forgot about Coutee still being on the roster. I do think he can provide some of that but we need better.

Meh I am not really impressed with him.  He had two big games against the Colts in his career but that’s about all he’s done.

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19 minutes ago, stitches said:

You know I'm not the biggest fan of the conservative nature of Reich's playcalling, but I feel like personnel has a bit to do with it too. I also don't think just any speedster would do. There are tons of super fast receiver that are not good players and even though they have speed they can't get open and/or can't locate and catch what's thrown their way. We need good players that can do it all, while being fast. 

 

QB's chemistry and trust with his WRs is important too. Some QBs just refuse to throw to players they don't trust to catch the ball. It's weird because Wentz was actually launching it relatively frequently at least in the beginning of the season. He got really lucky with some late/underthrows where we got DPIs... I wonder if Ryan will develop a good timing and trust with any of our WRs. I really hope the offense won't be as limited as it was with Rivers(although watching Rivers operate was joy for me too... he just seemed to always know what he has to do and where he has to go, he was really impressive for how limited physically he was). Hopefully Matt Ryan gives us some of the same cerebral play but we get some more  big throws downfield too. 

 

  I look foward to Pittman showing ya'll what he already knows how to do.

  Reggie will help him polish it, and it will look like a bigger, more physical Reggie out there. And there is no reason to wonder about Ryan and he being sharp at all the timing.

 

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14 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Matt Ryan IMO has at least 2 good solid years left unlike Rivers did and Rivers was good. Ryan is just a tad younger luckily. We will probably draft a QB next season and go all in, in this years draft as in drafting a LT and a WR early. Just a guess. I have no dislike toward Wentz, he had a 27-7 TD/INT ratio and wasn't bad. He was actually above average but Ryan is simply better if you give him a good roster around him. Ryan's leadership is something else too, you could just feel it as he spoke in his presser.


The difference with Rivers is that he was still a very good QB. 
 

Cumulatively, across the three seasons prior to coming to Indy, here is how Rivers ranked in the NFL (age 36-38):

 

EPA/play: .188 (#6)

DVOA: #4 (2017), #3 (2018) and #15 (2019)

PBer in 2017 and 2018

 

Now here is what Ryan has done in the past 3 seasons (age 34-36):

 

EPA/play: .082 (#25)

DVOA: #14 (2019), #15 (2020) and #21 (2021)

 

With Rivers, the Colts were getting an older QB, but one who was putting up quasi top 5 QB numbers in 2/3 recent years, according to EPA and DVOA. And while he was top 10-12 in his one season in Indy, he didn’t quite get back to that level. 

 

With Ryan, they are getting a slightly younger QB, but one who has recently been middle of the pack QB or worse the past 3 years, according to EPA and DVOA.

 

The idea that he is going to suddenly be a legit great QB seems like a stretch. 
 

It’s actually somewhat similar to the arguments about Wentz when you looked at his play over the past 3 seasons. But at least Wentz was in his late 20s.

 

But I do think a couple of solid seasons is doable for Ryan. Just not sure where that leaves this team from a competitive standpoint.

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4 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

  I look foward to Pittman showing ya'll what he already knows how to do.

  Reggie will help him polish it, and it will look like a bigger, more physical Reggie out there. And there is no reason to wonder about Ryan and he being sharp at all the timing.

 

This can be a great season for Pittman. But he's not enough. We need multiple other playmakers to take serious steps forward if we are not going to be adding any new talent. 

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On 3/14/2022 at 10:40 PM, GoColts8818 said:

People were kidding themselves if they expected different.  Agree with it or not this is who Ballard is.

Exactly. Ballard doesn't have it in him to actually go all in like the Rams, Broncos , BUCS..etc. Because of their all in moves, I think Denver will represent the AFC in the big one.

Charlie Brown represents Colts fans in the Ballard years.

Lucy represents Ballard.

Fail Charlie Brown GIF by Peanuts

 

 

On 3/14/2022 at 10:40 PM, GoColts8818 said:

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, shasta519 said:


The difference with Rivers is that he was still a very good QB. 
 

Cumulatively, across the three seasons prior to coming to Indy, here is how Rivers ranked in the NFL (age 36-38):

 

EPA/play: .188 (#6)

DVOA: #4 (2017), #3 (2018) and #15 (2019)

PBer in 2017 and 2018

 

Now here is what Ryan has done in the past 3 seasons (age 34-36):

 

EPA/play: .082 (#25)

DVOA: #14 (2019), #15 (2020) and #21 (2021)

 

With Rivers, the Colts were getting an older QB, but one who was putting up quasi top 5 QB numbers in 2/3 recent years, according to EPA and DVOA. And while he was top 10-12 in his one season in Indy, he didn’t quite get back to that level. 

 

With Ryan, they are getting a slightly younger QB, but one who has recently been middle of the pack QB or worse the past 3 years, according to EPA and DVOA.

 

The idea that he is going to suddenly be a legit great QB seems like a stretch. 
 

It’s actually somewhat similar to the arguments about Wentz when you looked at his play over the past 3 seasons. But at least Wentz was in his late 20s.

 

But I do think a couple of solid seasons is doable for Ryan. Just not sure where that leaves this team from a competitive standpoint.

I disagree  with that. Ryan is better than those numbers suggest and has the third best completion  percentage  in nfl history. He will be alot better than Rivers or wentz. Infact he will probably have  best season  by colts qb since manning  left.

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17 minutes ago, Stephen said:

I disagree  with that. Ryan is better than those numbers suggest and has the third best completion  percentage  in nfl history. He will be alot better than Rivers or wentz. Infact he will probably have  best season  by colts qb since manning  left.

I basically agree, I think he has a big year.

 

This Colts team is built to win late in the season and I could absolutely see Ryan putting up 4500 yards and 30 TDs and taking the Colts deep into the playoffs. 

 

People act like QBs over the age of 35 havent had tremendous success in the NFL. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Rivers.........Ryan at this stage reminds me a lot of Peyton when he left the Colts. Peytons arm was pretty much shot. I actually think Matts arm is in much better condition than Mannings was. 

 

Both guys are cerebral quarterbacks and can overcome limitations with their experience and know how. 

 

 

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On 3/27/2022 at 4:52 PM, Moosejawcolt said:

U cannot sign  elite wrs if u have no qbs. What free agent wr was going to  sign with the Colts when the only qb u have is Sam? Ain't going to happen. Plus, I am not a big supporter of signing 1st day wr free agents. It is the most expensive acquisition. If u go back, I would dare u to find one that ended up transforming a team with their play.

U think so ? I think Allen Robinson would of been dope for you guys . 

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On 3/27/2022 at 2:00 PM, shasta519 said:


I do disagree. But the Colts two moves weren’t even FAs…so why didn’t they just say offseason?

 

I assume this is using their WAR?

 

Otherwise, it would seem PFF is sort of contradicting their own grades and rankings here. Ryan was actually behind Wentz in their QB Total rankings last year.

 

We can’t compare Rock and Yannick position rankings since they are different, but Rock did have a much higher grade than Yannick. Ngakoue actually had a <50 PFF grade last year. 

Ryan will arguably be on better teamwhile Wentz on worse.  Putting Wentz ahead of Ryan in a vacuum is laughable atbest.


i am extremelysurprised of the #2 ranking.  But then, we arguably added much better talent at two of themost important positions AND positions we were quite weakat.  
Potentially reallybig impacts.  

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On 3/28/2022 at 7:48 PM, Goatface Killah said:

I basically agree, I think he has a big year.

 

This Colts team is built to win late in the season and I could absolutely see Ryan putting up 4500 yards and 30 TDs and taking the Colts deep into the playoffs. 

 

People act like QBs over the age of 35 havent had tremendous success in the NFL. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Rivers.........Ryan at this stage reminds me a lot of Peyton when he left the Colts. Peytons arm was pretty much shot. I actually think Matts arm is in much better condition than Mannings was. 

 

Both guys are cerebral quarterbacks and can overcome limitations with their experience and know how. 

 

 

Nice hair-do on that goat.

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On 3/27/2022 at 4:52 PM, Moosejawcolt said:

U cannot sign  elite wrs if u have no qbs. What free agent wr was going to  sign with the Colts when the only qb u have is Sam? Ain't going to happen. Plus, I am not a big supporter of signing 1st day wr free agents. It is the most expensive acquisition. If u go back, I would dare u to find one that ended up transforming a team with their play.

This is a flawed argument because talented transformational WR's are so seldom available in FA. You can say the same for free agent QB's and edge rushers. How different is your argument if you say "I dare you to find a WR that switched teams that ended up transforming that team." There are dozens of those but for some reason Ballard isnt allowed to trade for a WR?

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