2021 WR: Roster Discussion and Poll

[EastStreet]

I got a few requests to do some threads/polls on different units, A few specifically on WR. I'll try to do one per unit over the next couple weeks if time allows, but figured I'd get WR out first.

 

Top Questions

1. Will TY be back. Some sites projecting he'll get 8-10M/Y for 2-3 years. I'm just not sure Ballard will want to sign up for that duration or amount/year. I think we would all love to see TY retire a Colt, but I think we all agree we need to start planning for the future at Z, while also filling several other big holes (LT, DEx2, CB, etc.). Bonus TY question, would he be more productive at slot, which might extend his career.
2. Can Campbell stay healthy. And if so, might he move from slot to Z. How much more patience will the FO have with him?
3. With both Z and Slot positions having major questions, will we look to FA or the draft for 1, even 2?
4. Will Harris be more than the guy with great speed and potential.
5. Will Patmon see the light of day, and if he does, will he play to his size.

 

Projected Starters (currently on Roster)

X - Pittman

Slot (traditional) - ?

Z - ?

 

Individual Comments

Assumed 53

• Pittman (X, big slot) - really the only no-brainer starter returning (at X). Obviously most anticipate his snaps to increase as well as his production. Will he finally be the X we've been waiting on for many years?
• Campbell (slot/Z) - injury issues, not sure if he ends up at slot or moves to Z. I assume he'll end up starting at one of the positions IF he is healthy to start the season. 

Candidates with a leg up

• Patmon (X, big slot, Longshot Z??) - considered the 2020 roster enigma lol. Great speed and size. Considered a bit soft (not playing to his size) and in need of work on his route tree. Didn't see the field, but never demoted to PS. Either he's good and just needs some refinement, or he has naked pictures of Frank. If he does emerge, that might have an impact on Pascal. Not a burner, but great speed for his size at 4.48.
• Harris (slot/Z/STs/gimmick) - the kid is tiny (5-8 / 175) but he's got 4.37 wheels and nice twitch. The STs potential and gimmick value are clearly there, but would love to see him emerge in the passing game.
• Dulin (tweener/STs) - Decent size (6-1/215), and pretty good speed (4.43). With Rodgers emerging at STs, Dulin will have to fight to stay on the 53. Listed as a ERFA, but reports in January that he was extended along with Taylor Stallworth. The extension in itself IMO doesn't guarantee he'll end up on the 53 given it was an ERFA contract.

PS/Futures guys trying to make the roster or PS

• JJ. Nelson (slot/Z/gimmick/STs) - 4.28 speed, 5-11 / 160LBs, UAB, 5th Round 2015 - Fast prospect, but really hasn't emerged in 5 years. Perhaps a STs guy, or situational specialist. 
• Garry Jennings - 4.42 speed, 6-1 / 215LBs, 4th Round 2019 - Likely limited to possession slot.
• Quartney Davis - 4.54 speed, 6-1 / 200LBs, UDFA 2019 - limited to slot. 

 

Free Agents (Colts)

• TY Hilton (Z/Slot) - One of the bigger questions on O along with LT.
• Pascal (X, big slot) - technically a RFA, but most assume he'll be back. Good depth guy, but he'll likely be relegated to depth X behind Pittman, and time at big/bully slot. Great flexible piece. Not flashy, but great blocker, great route runner, and has position flexibility. True team guy, and I hope he's back. At most he'll be tendered 2nd round, and will not be expensive to keep. If someone like Patmon emerges, this may make things interesting for Pascal. 

 

Free Agents (outside) - given we seem to be heavy on the X and big slot guys, I'll only list those that are Z/slot candidates.

Note - Listed in order of PFF rank (from their list of top 200 FAs). Only listing top 10-15. Bolded my favorite FAs.

1. Will Fuller (#11 ranked amount all positions) -  Prediction: Five years, $87.5 million ($17.5M APY): $25 million signing bonus. Health issues are enough to turn me away even though I love ND.

2. JuJu Smith-Schuster #24 - Prediction: Four years, $68 million ($17M APY): $35M total guaranteed, $22M fully guaranteed at signing. He's probably limited as a inside guy / slot. IMO, we need a guy that can play at minimum outside at Z. A Z/slot combo would be optimum though, but JJSS is neither.

3. Corey Davis #25 - Four years, $65M ($16.25M APY): $32M total guaranteed, $20M fully guaranteed at signing. - He's a guy that's 6-3 and can play really any position. He has underperformed his 1st round 4th overall pick, but IMO he'll be significantly more productive with a new QB, or simply in a complimentary role. Too expensive for my taste, but he'd probably be deadly as a Z opposite Pittman. My favorite in the over 10M range.

4. Antonio Brown #30 - Prediction: One-year, $2 million fully guaranteed. Incentives can raise the value of the deal to $4 million. - Such a cheap price for an aging, yet still highly productive guy. I know he can be a headache, it's just not fair if Brady gets to throw to him this year lol. The cheap price is well worth the chance of drama IMO.

5. TY Hilton #39 - Prediction: Three years, $28.5 million ($9.5M APY): $18 million total guaranteed, $10 million fully guaranteed at signing. Seems high and long for me. It will be interesting to see what market does.

6. Curtis Samuel #44 - Prediction: Three years, $25 million ($8.33M APY): $15 million total guaranteed, $10 million fully guaranteed at signing. - Has played both inside and outside, and has run the ball. IMO, he's suffered from having subpar QBs. 4.31 speed would be nice at either slot or Z. He's probably my favorite guy in the under 10M range. I'd have zero problem giving him 25M/3Y.

7. Marvin Jones #48 - Prediction: Three years, $27 million ($9M APY): $16.5 million total guaranteed, $12.5 million fully guaranteed at signing. - Good Z/slot vet. Wouldn't want him long term, but he'd be a good one or two year gap filler.

8. Nelson Agholor #62 - Prediction: Two years, $15 million ($7.5M APY): $9 million total guaranteed, $7 million fully guaranteed at signing. - Not likely, but wouldn't rule out if Wentz likes him. I'm scared of the drops, but he did have a very nice year for LVR in 2020. 

9. Sammy Watkins #65 - Prediction: Three years, $30 million ($10M APY): $21 million total guaranteed, $16.5 million fully guaranteed at signing - Not a bad prospect, but IMO not near the best value in the price range. If you can't produce more with Mahomes, chances are you won't do better elsewhere.

10. Keelan Cole #85 - Prediction: Two years, $11 million ($5.5M APY): $5 million total guaranteed, $4 million fully guaranteed at signing. - He's a steady slot type that has suffered under bad QBs. IMO he's a #3 or 4 WR, so not what we need. Maybe an option if Pascal were to leave.

11. Adam Humphries #86 - Prediction: One-year, $4.25 million, $3.5 million total guaranteed. Limited slot option.

12. Danny Amedola #88 - Prediction: One year, $5.5 million: $5 million total guaranteed/fully guaranteed at signing. Limited slot option

13. Breshad Perriman #103 - Prediction: Two years, $16 million ($8M APY): $7.5 million total guaranteed, $6 million fully guaranteed at signing. A plus size speedster. One of my favorites if he's a good value.

 

Draft Prospects - Again, only listing Z/slot type of WRs, and using PFFs list.

Note - this year's draft is weak on Xs, but really deep with Z/slot types. While I don't expect us to take one in the 1st, there will be lots of mid round, and perhaps late round value given all the covid confusion about prospect and production.

1. Ja'Marr Chase (5) - Not realistic (trading up for him)

2. Jaylen Waddle (7) - Not realistic (trading up for him)

3. DeVonta Smith (8) - Not realistic (trading up for him)

4. Rashod Bateman (18): 6-2 and likely sub 4.4 who can likely play any WR position. A lot to like with his superb route running. I doubt we go WR in the 1st, but him falling might be a huge temptation.

5. Rondale Moore (21): Everyone knows he's electric, but health concerns and doubts about his ability to play outside could lead to a drop for him. Doubt we'd take him in the 1st given we already have a injury prone speedster (Campbell) at slot.

6. Elijah Moore (27): Another small speedster, and was OM's focal point. Mostly slot, but played well in limited reps outside. 

7. Kadarius Toney (32): IMO, will vie for the most productive rook in the league this year if he has a decent QB. Kid is electric with the ball in his hands.

8. Dyami Brown (53): Can play both slot and outside, but IMO won't have the speed to translate out wide in the NFL. Should be at minimum a good slot though.

9. Tylan Wallace (71): The kid has crazy production, and I'd bet low 4.4 or high 4.3s speed. His AVG is great, and he's averaged almost 100 yards per game for 3 years straight. If we had a 3rd round pick, or if he falls to the 4th, I'd be all over him.

10. Cade Johnson (83): Small school kid that killed it at the Senior Bowl. 1200+ yards in 2 straight years before 2020 got cancelled. No rust at the Senior Bowl though.

11. Jaelon Darden (87): Another small school speedster. Called by some "the shiftiest WR in CFB". Not sure his dancing will work as well in the NFL, but he's an interesting prospect that might fall to the 4th.

12. Amon-Ra St. Brown (100): Great slot, average Z (in his first year outside). IMO, he'll be limited to slot, but he'll be a very good slot. He'd be a nice pickup if we intend to move Campbell to Z.

13. Tre Walker (110): Yet another small, small school speedster. Not too small at 5-11 though. Kid has speed and is a real vertical threat. One of my favorite inside/outside guys that might make it to our 4th round pick.

14. Tutu Atwell (114): Another WR I'd love to grab with our 4th if he drops. Speed demon small guy with a limited route tree out of the slot. With his sub 4.3 speed though, he can get deep. I think he'd be fine out of the Z if we used more motion.  

15. Cornell Powell (116): Decent production last year at Clemson, and 4.4s speed, but pretty meh for me. I'd take a shot on him if he dropped to the 6th round though.

16. Amari Rodgers (148): Limited to slot, and his speed if very very meh. Not unless he's there in the 6th or 7th.

17. KJ Stepherson (153): Former Irish WR that couldn't keep his head on straight and transferred out. Very talented, but IMO will drop and perhaps even go undrafted. I'd take a shot at him in the 6th or later (UDFA). From what I've heard, good kid, just made a stupid decision. If his head is right, I'd absolutely give him a UDFA PS contract.

 

A few more that I'll be keeping an eye on for potential late round flyer: D'Wayne Eskridge (wow fast), Marquez Stevenson, Jalen Virgil, Jalen Virgil, 

 

 

[danlhart87]

Samuel or Agholor is fine by me

[Hark]

I think they will sign a $5-$9mil free agent and draft a Jaelon Darden type somewhere around the 4th or 5th round. While I hope I am wrong, my gut tells me that TY doesn't re-sign with the Colts.

[Mr.NotSoCreative]

8 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

Samuel or Agholor is fine by me

Dont know much about what Samuel would take to get here, that 5-9$ range? Would think TY in the same range so tough choice. Not to mention the huge risk in trusting Campbell can stay on the field. 

[holeymoley99]

I really like Patmon having watched so many Wash State games...he glides he is so smooth just his routes were rounded and didnt have moves, didnt need it in Mike leach's system. Think we see a real nice bump from him.

 

Harris showed a lot from udfa to a gimmick as mentioned above. He can be stashed as a 4th rb as he played there so much in college and if anything happens to Hines he would likely assume that role.

 

Agree Dulin is in trouble outside of s.t. has really done much since he has been here.

 

Jennings is a former 4th round pick just a couple years back but has been a bust elsewhere, worth a shot signing him for nothing and see if anything clicks, I think he could make P.S. out of the gate.

 

 

[danlhart87]

21 minutes ago, Mr.NotSoCreative said:

Dont know much about what Samuel would take to get here, that 5-9$ range? Would think TY in the same range so tough choice. Not to mention the huge risk in trusting Campbell can stay on the field. 

Hes projected 10 to 12m

[Shive]

I'm surprised Eskridge wasn't higher up on your draft list. He lit up the Senior Bowl practices and is a prior DB, so he has a great understanding of how to manipulate and create separation. I think he's most likely getting drafted late 2nd/early 3rd.

[coming on strong]

i cant remember his name but the wr from the bills listed the colts as his favorite spot and is very cheap vetern with speed turning 30 could sign a two year deal until pittman , paris , patmon, and harris get better .  we cant afford huge name guys with three massive contracts coming up next off season   .  just getting a cheap veteran is fine at wr  and make a mid level splash at either DE or corner then draft a tackle pass rusher and corner

[Smonroe]

1 hour ago, coming on strong said:

i cant remember his name but the wr from the bills listed the colts as his favorite spot and is very cheap vetern with speed turning 30 could sign a two year deal until pittman , paris , patmon, and harris get better .  we cant afford huge name guys with three massive contracts coming up next off season   .  just getting a cheap veteran is fine at wr  and make a mid level splash at either DE or corner then draft a tackle pass rusher and corner

John Brown.  Isn’t he essentially TY?  If so, I’d rather re-sign the Ghost.  

[tweezy32]

12 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

Samuel or Agholor is fine by me

Please no. Agholor is terrible.

[danlhart87]

15 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

Please no. Agholor is terrible.

I think he would be solid here. He's already got experience playing with Wentz too. 

[crazycolt1]

42 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

Please no. Agholor is terrible.

I don't agree that he is terrible. He improved substantial last season. 

So much so I think the Raiders resign him to a 4 year deal. 

[EastStreet]

16 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

Samuel or Agholor is fine by me

Definitely would take Samuel over Agholor. If Agholor is what Wentz wants though, I'd be OK. He played better last year. The drop issue still concerns me.

8 hours ago, Mr.NotSoCreative said:

Dont know much about what Samuel would take to get here, that 5-9$ range? Would think TY in the same range so tough choice. Not to mention the huge risk in trusting Campbell can stay on the field. 

If there is any guy that's already good, but could benefit by having a different QB/scheme and a fresh start, I think it's Samuel. Check him out, I think you'll like what you see. And he's younger. I'd take him over TY if it came down to same dollars and term.

7 hours ago, holeymoley99 said:

I really like Patmon having watched so many Wash State games...he glides he is so smooth just his routes were rounded and didnt have moves, didnt need it in Mike leach's system. Think we see a real nice bump from him.

 

Harris showed a lot from udfa to a gimmick as mentioned above. He can be stashed as a 4th rb as he played there so much in college and if anything happens to Hines he would likely assume that role.

 

Agree Dulin is in trouble outside of s.t. has really done much since he has been here.

 

Jennings is a former 4th round pick just a couple years back but has been a bust elsewhere, worth a shot signing him for nothing and see if anything clicks, I think he could make P.S. out of the gate.

 

 

Patmon and Harris are truly interesting to me. I'm always intrigued though with WRs that have good measurables I think LOL. 

The thing with Patmon, is he's coming to a totally different scheme, and IMO, Frank won't play him unless he gets more "possession-like". If we had more of an air O, I could have seen him playing last year. I just hope Frank uses his strengths, and doesn't try to force fit him like he did Cain. 

 

I don't see Harris ever taking true RB snaps as a 4th. Too tiny. Sure sweeps and gimmicks, but that's the limit. I'd love to see him in vertical sets. 

 

Yeah, Dulin needs to have a step-up year if he hopes to stick on the 53. Jennings is a great PS guy. He's got some talent, just hasn't put it together. I could see either of those guys making noise though, and wouldn't be shocked.

6 hours ago, Shive said:

I'm surprised Eskridge wasn't higher up on your draft list. He lit up the Senior Bowl practices and is a prior DB, so he has a great understanding of how to manipulate and create separation. I think he's most likely getting drafted late 2nd/early 3rd.

Not my draft list lol.. It's PFF's. He would have been a bit higher on mine. I'd definitely pick him up late rounds or UDFA if he doesn't get grabbed.

4 hours ago, tweezy32 said:

Please no. Agholor is terrible.

He was far from terrible last year. Not elite or anything, but he was much more productive and consistent than in the past. Not saying I want him here at all, just saying 2020 was a good year for him.

[John Hammonds]

Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is usually the correct one.

 

Sign TY and put him at Z.

Sign Pascal to a modest contract.

 

Pittman at X

Campbell at Slot

TY at Z

Pascal as 4th WR

[EastStreet]

21 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is usually the correct one.

 

Sign TY and put him at Z.

Sign Pascal to a modest contract.

 

Pittman at X

Campbell at Slot

TY at Z

Pascal as 4th WR

 

Only if they are looking to "not" improve the unit, while also trusting Campbell will stay healthy and TY won't lose anymore speed.

 

IMO, at minimum, they'll draft a guy in the 4th or 5th.

[John Hammonds]

6 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Only if they are looking to "not" improve the unit, while also trusting Campbell will stay healthy and TY won't lose anymore speed.

 

IMO, at minimum, they'll draft a guy in the 4th or 5th.

I agree with you.

 

I think that this team has so many issues to resolve this offseason, that some may wind up not getting as much attention.

#1 QB situation (DONE)

#2 LT situation

#3 DE/pass rush situation

#4 CB situation

#5 WR situation

 

Yes, it may be possible that they could draft a WR in the 4th round.  Although I must state my opinion that a 4th round WR is hardly an improvement on the current situation.  I think that Will Fuller is not an improvement over TY either.  No, I think the WR position is not going to experience much improving this year.  There's just too much else we need to put our salary cap towards.

[EastStreet]

10 minutes ago, John Hammonds said:

I agree with you.

 

I think that this team has so many issues to resolve this offseason, that some may wind up not getting as much attention.

#1 QB situation (DONE)

#2 LT situation

#3 DE/pass rush situation

#4 CB situation

#5 WR situation

 

Yes, it may be possible that they could draft a WR in the 4th round.  Although I must state my opinion that a 4th round WR is hardly an improvement on the current situation.  I think that Will Fuller is not an improvement over TY either.  No, I think the WR position is not going to experience much improving this year.  There's just too much else we need to put our salary cap towards.

IDK. We have decent cap space and two early-ish picks. Given the LT class is stellar, and WR class is deep and fogged by covid, I think we can cover most bases. 

 

On Fuller though, he's be an upgrade IMO. He's still got the speed, and got much better separation than TY last year. I'm not willing to pay top dollar for him though. Like I said above though, Samuels is the guy I'd go after if I were going to try and solve in FA. 

 

DE and CB weren't bad last year, and can easily be solved just resigning our own FAs that won't cost a ton.

 

Like I said in the "be the GM" thread.

LT - 2nd round pick

DE - resign both Houston and Autry + 1st round pick + assume development from Turay

CB - resign both Rhodes and Carrie, and assume the new DB coach can develop RYS, Tell, and Rodgers

WR - swap TY for Samuel and take one in the mid rounds

 

We could do the above with our current resource.

[danlhart87]

11 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

IDK. We have decent cap space and two early-ish picks. Given the LT class is stellar, and WR class is deep and fogged by covid, I think we can cover most bases. 

 

On Fuller though, he's be an upgrade IMO. He's still got the speed, and got much better separation than TY last year. I'm not willing to pay top dollar for him though. Like I said above though, Samuels is the guy I'd go after if I were going to try and solve in FA. 

 

DE and CB weren't bad last year, and can easily be solved just resigning our own FAs that won't cost a ton.

 

Like I said in the "be the GM" thread.

LT - 2nd round pick

DE - resign both Houston and Autry + 1st round pick + assume development from Turay

CB - resign both Rhodes and Carrie, and assume the new DB coach can develop RYS, Tell, and Rodgers

WR - swap TY for Samuel and take one in the mid rounds

 

We could do the above with our current resource.

Samuel would kick A here

[Bravo]

I like the options here.

 

1 thing is sure, The Colts need a lot of WR help. Gotta give Wentz some weapons. (Honestly don’t think there is any way Campbell stays healthy based off of two previous seasons.)

[EastStreet]

13 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Samuel would kick A here

Yup, and has Z/slot flexibility. 

Whatever we do, FA like Samuel, or resign TY, I just hope they draft an additional speed z/slot flex guy in the mid rounds. It's a good year to take a shot in the 4th or 5th (assumes our scouts are as good as most say).

[EastStreet]

3 minutes ago, bravo4460 said:

I like the options here.

 

1 thing is sure, The Colts need a lot of WR help. Gotta give Wentz some weapons. (Honestly don’t think there is any way Campbell stays healthy based off of two previous seasons.)

IDK. A couple things.

 

Campbell's lack of injury in college, combined with his horrible luck in the NFL is mind bending for me. None of the injuries are related either. If I had to bet, I'd bet he has much better luck this year. Some are just freak stuff. If he does have another injury filled year, we simply need to move on. Ride out his rook contract, just don't count on him. 

 

Wentz can deal it around, so IMO so long as he's got a good OL, he'll be fine without to much of an overhaul of weapons. Purely my opinion, but I think Reich is true to form, and starts Wentz out slow. Heavy run, and a lot of  short possession passes, and a lot of RB passes.

 

We've got 2 of the top catching RBs in the league. Check. We've got two good, but underutilized TEs and will likely add a 3rd or break back Burton (who is more slot than TE). Check. We've got Pittman at X who IMO should be a #2. We've got a great 4th in Pascal who can be a #3 at slot if needed. We've got a potential high ceiling guy in Harris that can be used in various ways. 

 

So were' missing #1 and #3, or Z and slot. Campbell is a high ceiling guy at either Z or slot if he can stay healthy. You have to think we either resign Hilton or bring a FA to replace him. That will be pretty decent if you consider al the weapons. And draft a z/slot speed prospect in the mid rounds is just gravy. Just Campbell's health can be a huge + or - and swing our passing game in a major way.

 

Anyway, it's just not as bleak as some think. 

[Bravo]

5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

IDK. A couple things.

 

Campbell's lack of injury in college, combined with his horrible luck in the NFL is mind bending for me. None of the injuries are related either. If I had to bet, I'd bet he has much better luck this year. Some are just freak stuff. If he does have another injury filled year, we simply need to move on. Ride out his rook contract, just don't count on him. 

 

Wentz can deal it around, so IMO so long as he's got a good OL, he'll be fine without to much of an overhaul of weapons. Purely my opinion, but I think Reich is true to form, and starts Wentz out slow. Heavy run, and a lot of  short possession passes, and a lot of RB passes.

 

We've got 2 of the top catching RBs in the league. Check. We've got two good, but underutilized TEs and will likely add a 3rd or break back Burton (who is more slot than TE). Check. We've got Pittman at X who IMO should be a #2. We've got a great 4th in Pascal who can be a #3 at slot if needed. We've got a potential high ceiling guy in Harris that can be used in various ways. 

 

So were' missing #1 and #3, or Z and slot. Campbell is a high ceiling guy at either Z or slot if he can stay healthy. You have to think we either resign Hilton or bring a FA to replace him. That will be pretty decent if you consider al the weapons. And draft a z/slot speed prospect in the mid rounds is just gravy. Just Campbell's health can be a huge + or - and swing our passing game in a major way.

 

Anyway, it's just not as bleak as some think. 

Good point on Wentz, him and Reich do love TE’s and he does spread the ball around. It would sure make his job a lot easier if we could get him another weapon though because like you said, Campbells health is a huge plus or minus to the offense... 
 

Sure freak injuries but just not reliable at this point.

[EastStreet]

17 minutes ago, bravo4460 said:

Good point on Wentz, him and Reich do love TE’s and he does spread the ball around. It would sure make his job a lot easier if we could get him another weapon though because like you said, Campbells health is a huge plus or minus to the offense... 
 

Sure freak injuries but just not reliable at this point.

Agreed. 

 

One thing I'd like to see more of, is Hines lining up in the slot. Now that we have a back (Taylor) that can both run and catch well, we should get both on the field at once, and Hines has the speed and toughness to play slot. If we do somehow bring back Mack on a cheap one year deal, I think we'll see Hines at slot.

[ojsglove]

Emmanuel Sanders.l

[EastStreet]

On 3/14/2021 at 1:57 AM, danlhart87 said:

Samuel or Agholor is fine by me

Welp, one of those guys is no longer available. IMO, he got more than he is worth. Really surprised BB paid that.

[Dogg63]

2 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Welp, one of those guys is no longer available. IMO, he got more than he is worth. Really surprised BB paid that.

Bill Belichick spending in free agency:

prior 10 years total: $359,886,620

first 3 hours of 2021: $146,000,000

[EastStreet]

39 minutes ago, Dogg63 said:

Bill Belichick spending in free agency:

prior 10 years total: $359,886,620

first 3 hours of 2021: $146,000,000

 

Yeah, he was nicknamed Dollar Dollar Bill today... 

 

Yo...

 

lol

[EastStreet]

Just keeping the OP list updated.

 

Gone are 

Corey Davis [Signs with Jets on a 3-year, $37M deal]

Nelson Agholor [Signs with Patriots on a 2-year, $26M deal]

 

3 of my 4 favorites still on the board. 

[NewColtsFan]

43 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Just keeping the OP list updated.

 

Gone are 

Corey Davis [Signs with Jets on a 3-year, $37M deal]

Nelson Agholor [Signs with Patriots on a 2-year, $26M deal]

 

3 of my 4 favorites still on the board. 

So, I took another long look at your list.   Most of the guys still available seem way, way too pricey for Ballard.   Of the remains guys, Samuel seems like a guy we’d make a run at.

 

But my question for you is this....  Would you throw a few million more at Antonio Brown to steal him from Tampa?   Would you offer $5-6 mill per for a year or two?    My fear is...  he’s the guy willing to blow up the locker room saying...  “throw me the damn ball!”   

Your thoughts? 

[EastStreet]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

So, I took another long look at your list.   Most of the guys still available seem way, way too pricey for Ballard.   Of the remains guys, Samuel seems like a guy we’d make a run at.

 

But my question for you is this....  Would you throw a few million more at Antonio Brown to steal him from Tampa?   Would you offer $5-6 mill per for a year or two?    My fear is...  he’s the guy willing to blow up the locker room saying...  “throw me the damn ball!”   

Your thoughts? 

Samuels is my favorite by a lot. Perrimen is 2nd. I would throw a few more million at Brown. I think the locker room is strong enough. I also think Ballard would be pretty clear about his expectations, and I think Frank would keep a caring arm around him. I do think Tampa will try hard to keep him. They want a repeat bad.

[EastStreet]

Just keeping up to day, Pascal has received a 2nd round tender.

[EastStreet]

Allen Robinson [Franchise tagged by Bears]

Chris Godwin [Franchise tagged by Bucs]

Corey Davis [Signs with Jets on a 3-year, $37M deal]

Nelson Agholor [Signs with Patriots on a 2-year, $26M deal]

Tyrell Williams [Signs with Lions on a 1-year, $4M deal]

Jamal Agnew [Signs with Jaguars on 3-year, $21M deal]

Andre Roberts [Expected to sign with Texans on 2-year, $6M deal]

Kendrick Bourne [Signs with Patriots on a 3-year, $22M deal]

Noah Brown [Re-signs with Cowboys on a 1-year deal]

Phillip Dorsett [Signs with Jaguars on a 1-year deal]

[EastStreet]

My favorite looks to be off the board :-(

New favorite is Breshad Perriman as a value add. 

 

 

 

[EastStreet]

 

[EastStreet]

Given the current FA board, it's more and more likely we re-sign TY.

 

Of those still remaining.

 

Golladay - he's an X (no need), and expensive, not happening

Antonio Brown - possible, and cheap

Sammy Watkins - possible, but don't see it

Humphries - meh

 

 

[danlhart87]

15 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Given the current FA board, it's more and more likely we re-sign TY.

 

Of those still remaining.

 

Golladay - he's an X (no need), and expensive, not happening

Antonio Brown - possible, and cheap

Sammy Watkins - possible, but don't see it

Humphries - meh

 

 

What are your thoughts on Josh I from Illinois 

[EastStreet]

8 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

What are your thoughts on Josh I from Illinois 

I think I already did a little write up on him, but in short....

• Athletic freak with record vert
• tweener at 6-2
• good, not great speed at 4.48
• raw and needs a lot of work on route tree

Most teams will likely view him as an X, which we really don't need. IMO he'll be a deep 50/50 guy or possession guy early in his career. He could be a Z, for teams that prefer bigger outside guys, who either don't covet elite speed, or already have a speed specialist. Z requires a solid route tree and good motion skills though.

 

IMO, he'd fit Reich's conservative O at Z if he can improve his route tree. I'd absolutely take a flyer on him if available early day 3. At worst, he'll end up being a good #4 WR that is a great RZ package guy. He'd be a step up in size, speed, athleticism etc., from Pascal, but Pascal blocks extremely well, and is great at route running. We used Marcus Johnson at Z some, who has similar size, but Josh is a much much better prospect.

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, EastStreet said:

I think I already did a little write up on him, but in short....

• Athletic freak with record vert
• tweener at 6-2
• good, not great speed at 4.48
• raw and needs a lot of work on route tree

Most teams will likely view him as an X, which we really don't need. IMO he'll be a deep 50/50 guy or possession guy early in his career. He could be a Z, for teams that prefer bigger outside guys, who either don't covet elite speed, or already have a speed specialist. Z requires a solid route tree and good motion skills though.

 

IMO, he'd fit Reich's conservative O at Z if he can improve his route tree. I'd absolutely take a flyer on him if available early day 3. At worst, he'll end up being a good #4 WR that is a great RZ package guy. He'd be a step up in size, speed, athleticism etc., from Pascal, but Pascal blocks extremely well, and is great at route running. We used Marcus Johnson at Z some, who has similar size, but Josh is a much much better prospect.

I saw recently his vertical was record breaking 

[NewColtsFan]

A few years back, this kids older brother was a second round pick by Oakland, I think.

 

Anyway, very similar to this kid.  Similar size, maybe even a little bigger.  Athletic freak, tested thru the roof.   He was tried at Corner, at Safety, and even at OLB.   Couldn’t succeed at any of them.   I wonder if teams will hold any of that against him?

 

Not predicting this, just thinking out loud... 

[RockThatBlue]

Rondale Moore in the draft would be sweet. He will be a match up nightmare in the NFL imo. Probably similar to Tyreke Hill.