Qb for next year/QB class of 2021 (merge)

[jskinnz]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Where did he express the Colts as his first choice?

 

How could you have missed it.  There was a report on a report that said it.  Damn near as good as straight from Stafford's mouth.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

if Stafford goes to SF it increases chances of QB falling in draft

Not really.

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, Chloe6124 said:

Not really.

Yea really if they don't trade 1

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Maybe Ballard has a plan with SF.  Maybe SF gets Stafford and doesn’t have to give up that 12th pick because Ballard has a deal to trade up to 12 if someone falls.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Mac Jones impressing at the senior bowl.

 

 

[richard pallo]

53 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

 

CRAP

[danlhart87]

32 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Maybe Ballard has a plan with SF.  Maybe SF gets Stafford and doesn’t have to give up that 12th pick because Ballard has a deal to trade up to 12 if someone falls.

Interesting theory 

[Myles]

54 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

 

Well, that would suck.

 

[danlhart87]

25 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Mac Jones impressing at the senior bowl.

 

 

His stock is certainly rising 

I really want him on the Colts 

[shasta519]

Stafford to SF is fine by me. But I hate that DET is now QB needy an sitting within striking distance.

 

As I have been saying...I think it's going to be a draft trade up OR Darnold. They are the cheap upside plays out there.

 

Stafford was an upgrade over Rivers...but likely a lateral move WITHOUT going all in...and that would be very difficult to do with trading for Stafford. There are big plans for this offseason.

[chad72]

11 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

CRAP

 

If it is for the 49ers 2021 2nd, 3rd, and 2022 3rd (say), I am thinking Ballard would take some flak for not stepping up to the plate. 

 

A 1st and 3rd from us with a future 3rd should have been on the table, IMO. I would really be bummed if Ballard couldn't pull this off.

[chad72]

5 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

There are big plans for this offseason.

 

I hope you are right. How on earth are those big plans going to materialize without a good trigger man? 

[richard pallo]

3 minutes ago, Myles said:

Well, that would suck.

 

YEP.  Without Stafford our probability of even making the playoffs drops dramatically.  We barely made it this year as an extra seed.  A rookie certainly won't get it done and I don't see any of the other potential QB's that are realistic possibilities getting it done with the possible exception of Darnold.  Carr would but he's probably staying.   I see the strong possibility of a lost season coming up.  

[danlhart87]

3 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

If it is for the 49ers 2021 2nd, 3rd, and 2022 3rd (say), I am thinking Ballard would take some flak for not stepping up to the plate. 

 

A 1st and 3rd from us with a future 3rd should have been on the table, IMO. I would really be bummed if Ballard couldn't pull this off.

Nah Ballard shouldn't get hate

Just now, richard pallo said:

YEP.  Without Stafford our probability of even making the playoffs drops dramatically.  We barely made it this year as an extra seed.  A rookie certainly won't get it done and I don't see any of the other potential QB's that are realistic possibilities getting it done with the possible exception of Darnold.  Carr would but he's probably staying.   I see the strong possibility of a lost season coming up.  

Why are you so sure a rookie can't lead us to playoffs?

[chad72]

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Nah Ballard shouldn't get hate

 

I am sure, whatever he is doing, he is doing with the blessing of Irsay and has a plan in place. 

 

Sometimes, I think we Colts fans take things for granted with QB play, and don't know what it is like to be in QB purgatory like so many other teams like the Browns and Bills faced till they broke through this year. 

[danlhart87]

Jaguars drafting Lawrence

Jets will keep Darnold 

Falcons are stuck with Ryan

Lions and Panthers will draft QB

(Fields and Wilson)

 

49ers if they get Stafford aren't drafting QB

Only other possible are Bears WFT and NE 

I'm willing to bet 2/3 won't take QBs

 

Jones or Lance should be there at 21

[chad72]

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Jaguars drafting Lawrence

Jets will keep Darnold 

Falcons are stuck with Ryan

Lions and Panthers will draft QB

(Fields and Wilson)

 

49ers if they get Stafford aren't drafting QB

Only other possible are Bears WFT and NE 

I'm willing to bet 2/3 won't take QBs

 

Jones or Lance should be there at 21

 

You forgot, Eagles are keeping Wentz.  

 

...and we should have kept Rivers....

[danlhart87]

Just now, chad72 said:

 

You forgot, Eagles are keeping Wentz.  

 

...and we should have kept Rivers....

Eagles have 2 QBs they definitely aren't taking a QB 

[danlhart87]

Lance will have to perform well the next few months. He has limited body of work only playing in 1 game that should drop him.

 

He could be the Love going late 1st this draft 

[Zoltan]

11 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

If it is for the 49ers 2021 2nd, 3rd, and 2022 3rd (say), I am thinking Ballard would take some flak for not stepping up to the plate. 

 

A 1st and 3rd from us with a future 3rd should have been on the table, IMO. I would really be bummed if Ballard couldn't pull this off.

 

I wouldn't be surprised, Ballard doesn't like giving draft picks up, so if it became a bidding war I can easily see him walk away.

 

Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, that's just who he is

[richard pallo]

3 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

If it is for 2021 2nd, 3rd, and 2022 3rd (say), I am thinking Ballard would take some flak for not stepping up to the plate. 

 

 

For sure.  He will take a tremendous amount of flak for not stepping up to the plate.  And he should.  It will be interesting to see him try and put a positive spin on this.   He needs a big rabbit out of the hat to save face. Can't wait to see what he has up his sleeve.   He has some esplannin to do.  

[danlhart87]

Just now, Zoltan said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised, Ballard doesn't like giving draft picks up, so if it became a bidding war I can easily see him walk away.

 

Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, that's just who he is

I trust Ballard to nail his picks 

He's had about 60+ % success rate on picks 

 

I don't know the exact number 

[chad72]

3 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised, Ballard doesn't like giving draft picks up, so if it became a bidding war I can easily see him walk away.

 

Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, that's just who he is

 

Can't have champagne taste and not the budget. 

[danlhart87]

Just now, richard pallo said:

For sure.  He will take a tremendous amount of flak for not stepping up to the plate.  And he should.  It will be interesting to see him try and put a positive spin on this.   He needs a big rabbit out of the hat to save face. Can't wait to see what he has up his sleeve.   He has some esplannin to do.  

If he didn't have luck in the past and nail hid picks i would agree but he's done very well so shouldn't get any hate

[chad72]

2 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

For sure.  He will take a tremendous amount of flak for not stepping up to the plate.  And he should.  It will be interesting to see him try and put a positive spin on this.   He needs a big rabbit out of the hat to save face. Can't wait to see what he has up his sleeve.   He has some explaining to do.  

 

...now the mystery around Rivers' departure will loom larger if he was forced out without a plan in hand???

[Zoltan]

2 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

I trust Ballard to nail his picks 

He's had about 60+ % success rate on picks 

 

I don't know the exact number 

I agree, I've noticed though some people saying we need to trade a bunch a picks and I just don't see Ballard doing it

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, chad72 said:

 

...now the mystery around Rivers' departure will loom larger if he was forced out without a plan in hand???

You make it seem like Ballard's only plan was Stafford 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Conspiracy theory. Irsay talking like the colts want a vet is a smokescreen. They really are eyeing someone in the draft. SF gets Stafford without giving up the 12th pick. They then trade that to the colts. Colts draft a QB. Lol

[shasta519]

30 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

I hope you are right. How on earth are those big plans going to materialize without a good trigger man? 

 

Stafford wasn't the only trigger man though. It just would be very difficult for them to do what they want this offseason with draft capital AND huge cap space going to Stafford. But I don't even necessarily think Stafford is dead...but it's looking like it could be SF.

 

And it makes sense. SF's roster is really strong...definitely stronger than the Colts. Their defense (f healthy) is a top unit...and they can plug Stafford into an offense with Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle...and go. They were a SB team with Jimmy G...and now the offense will be even better with Aiyuk and Stafford.

 

I think the Colts want to spend in FA and get some cost control and upside at QB. 

[richard pallo]

7 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Jaguars drafting Lawrence

Jets will keep Darnold 

Falcons are stuck with Ryan

Lions and Panthers will draft QB

(Fields and Wilson)

 

49ers if they get Stafford aren't drafting QB

Only other possible are Bears WFT and NE 

I'm willing to bet 2/3 won't take QBs

 

Jones or Lance should be there at 21

Who cares?  Really.  You think we're making the playoffs with those two guys.  The only reason we made it this year was because of Rivers experience in recognizing defenses and changing plays at the LOS.  They don't have prayer in making the playoffs this year.  Even Lawrence or Fields will have a rough go.  10 or 11 wins with one of those rookies?  Don't see it.  

[chad72]

4 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

You make it seem like Ballard's only plan was Stafford 

 

All is forgiven if he gives up 3 first rounders for Watson.  j/k 

[Zoltan]

3 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

...now the mystery around Rivers' departure will loom larger if he was forced out without a plan in hand???

 

It's still January, lets wait till August before we start doomsaying 

[BSteph1]

3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Jaguars drafting Lawrence

Jets will keep Darnold 

Falcons are stuck with Ryan

Lions and Panthers will draft QB

(Fields and Wilson)

 

49ers if they get Stafford aren't drafting QB

Only other possible are Bears WFT and NE 

I'm willing to bet 2/3 won't take QBs

 

Jones or Lance should be there at 21

Seems like wishful thinking. Jacksonville, NY Jets, Atlanta, Detroit, Carolina, Denver, San Francisco, New England, Chicago, and Washington all have QB needs to a varying degree and all pick before the Colts. Outside of maybe Ryan, there’s no incumbent starter on any of those teams that would preclude them front drafting a QB of the future. Pittsburgh and New Orleans also need a future QB and could be in the market to trade up in front of Indy too. 
 

Even with Stafford and potentially Watson available for trade, if we want one of the top 4/5 QBs, we’re likely going to have to move up to get him. 

[chad72]

4 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

 

It's still January, lets wait till August before we start doomsdaying 

 

It is what it is. I will wait for the news over the next few weeks and go from there. 

 

It is not doomsday, it is just a letdown.

[shasta519]

13 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Jaguars drafting Lawrence

Jets will keep Darnold 

Falcons are stuck with Ryan

Lions and Panthers will draft QB

(Fields and Wilson)

 

49ers if they get Stafford aren't drafting QB

Only other possible are Bears WFT and NE 

I'm willing to bet 2/3 won't take QBs

 

Jones or Lance should be there at 21

 

Watson deal will shake things up for sure. HOU will instantly become the most QB needy franchise in the NFL...and they will have the draft capital to get one this offseason. Though they could do something stupid and trade for a proven vet.

 

I don't think any of the top 4 QBs are getting out of the top 5 picks. What non-QB prospects are teams going to value enough to take over a QB (if they need one) OR to trade back with a team that does? Sewell? Those WRs will certainly go off board...but I think it will be in the 6-10 range.

 

The only way the Colts can get up there is a trade with the NYJ or MIA...so probably very unlikely...but I wish it weren't.

[danlhart87]

2 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

Watson deal will shake things up for sure. HOU will instantly become the most QB needy franchise in the NFL...and they will have the draft capital to get one this offseason. Though they could do something stupid and trade for a proven vet.

 

I don't think any of the top 4 QBs are getting out of the top 5 picks. What non-QB prospects are teams going to value enough to take over a QB (if they need one) OR to trade back with a team that does? Sewell? Those WRs will certainly go off board...but I think it will be in the 6-10 range.

 

The only way the Colts can get up there is a trade with the NYJ or MIA...so probably very unlikely...but I wish it weren't.

I highly doubt 4 QBs will go top 5

I can barely see 2 going that high 

[chad72]

4 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

Watson deal will shake things up for sure. HOU will instantly become the most QB needy franchise in the NFL...and they will have the draft capital to get one this offseason. Though they could do something stupid and trade for a proven vet.

 

I don't think any of the top 4 QBs are getting out of the top 5 picks. What non-QB prospects are teams going to value enough to take over a QB (if they need one) OR to trade back with a team that does? Sewell? Those WRs will certainly go off board...but I think it will be in the 6-10 range.

 

The only way the Colts can get up there is a trade with the NYJ or MIA...so probably very unlikely...but I wish it weren't.

 

Jets would be foolish not to take a QB with weaker draft classes coming up.

 

If we do a trade for Darnold, I would not do it until draft day, and we might just get him for a 3rd if that were the case. Let him duke it out with Eason for the starting job and we go from there.

[danlhart87]

3 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

Watson deal will shake things up for sure. HOU will instantly become the most QB needy franchise in the NFL...and they will have the draft capital to get one this offseason. Though they could do something stupid and trade for a proven vet.

 

I don't think any of the top 4 QBs are getting out of the top 5 picks. What non-QB prospects are teams going to value enough to take over a QB (if they need one) OR to trade back with a team that does? Sewell? Those WRs will certainly go off board...but I think it will be in the 6-10 range.

 

The only way the Colts can get up there is a trade with the NYJ or MIA...so probably very unlikely...but I wish it weren't.

until Watson is for sure traded nothing is for sure right now 

Just now, chad72 said:

 

Jets would be foolish not to take a QB with weaker draft classes coming up.

 

If we do a trade for Darnold, I would not do it until draft day, and we might just get him for a 3rd if that were the case. Let him duke it out with Eason for the starting job and we go from there.

it would be a cheap smart move 

[danlhart87]

5 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

It is what it is. I will wait for the news over the next few weeks and go from there. 

 

It is not doomsday, it is just a letdown.

the doomsdayers lately are rough

[Myles]

23 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

YEP.  Without Stafford our probability of even making the playoffs drops dramatically.  We barely made it this year as an extra seed.  A rookie certainly won't get it done and I don't see any of the other potential QB's that are realistic possibilities getting it done with the possible exception of Darnold.  Carr would but he's probably staying.   I see the strong possibility of a lost season coming up.  

Yep, a lost season.   There have been very few rookie QB's who led their teams to the playoffs.   2021 will be a lost season for the Colts if they start a draft pick QB.