Training camp day 10

[throwing BBZ]

47 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

You may be right,  but this looks completely wrong. 

 

Do you have a link to something?      Anything?

 

 

 

 I looked around and found this. The info is a ways down.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015/9/4/9226351/the-collective-bargaining-agreement-has-really-made-it-tough-on-nfl

[csmopar]

37 minutes ago, Everyone said:

 

time to cut this guy, injured every 5 minutes

[MB-ColtsFan]

37 minutes ago, Everyone said:

 

LOL.  Soooo easy to say when you're wearing the red shirt. 

[throwing BBZ]

3 hours ago, BCoop said:

Really good stuff from Bruno on 1070 right now with Grady. He was just talking about how the coaches are working with Luck on his progressions, not over-thinking the play, and taking the open route when he sees it.

 

Bruno mentioned last year there were issues where Luck might have seen an X-route open, and would go look for the Z out of curiosity thinking "if this guy is open, maybe the deep route is too." They speculated that it may have been a hold-over mentality from the Bruce Arians offense always looking to go for the deep ball.

 

Lastly, he mentioned that the combo of keeping the plays simple and marrying the footwork to the play has resulted in some really strong practices the last few days whereas he started a little rusty in camp trying to adjust. 

 

 Luck has been passing up open receivers in the short to mid-range area to look for his Favorites since day one.
 As i have said before, this is a BIG FIX to Luck`s game for Chud. And Not just in the Decision making but
 for him to develop the right timing and Touch from 14 yards in. Luck has made Very little progress at this
 in 4 years.

[superrep1967]

5 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

They still have a month of practice before the season starts,  It just isn't open to the public

Yeah just because they leave Anderson doesn't mean training camp is over. it still 

 goes on in Indy until 5 days before the season starts. Then it's a typical game week of practice.

[Gavin]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

You may be right,  but this looks completely wrong. 

 

Do you have a link to something?      Anything?

 

 

You may be right,  but this looks completely wrong. 

 

Do you have a link to something?      Anything?

 

 

You may be right,  but this looks completely wrong. 

 

Do you have a link to something?      Anything?

 

 

You may be right,  but this looks completely wrong. 

 

Do you have a link to something?      Anything?

 

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/09000d5d8215c8ab/article/how-practice-changes-could-negatively-impact-nfl-games

 

I have no idea why it quoted you so many times and wont let me unquote you all but 1 time but here is the link

[Everyone]

 

[MB-ColtsFan]

27 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Luck has been passing up open receivers in the short to mid-range area to look for his Favorites since day one.
 As i have said before, this is a BIG FIX to Luck`s game for Chud. And Not just in the Decision making but
 for him to develop the right timing and Touch from 14 yards in. Luck has made Very little progress at this
 in 4 years.

Brady has made a living doing this and it's worked out well for him.

I agree that this may be a holdover from when Bruce was here.  Hopefully this gets fixed early this year.

It would add a whole new dynamic to Luck's arsenal.

[Jim H.]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

I wasn't calling you a sucker at all. Your comment made it sound as if you think you are a sucker for spending money on the NFL. You said 'we' so please don't count me in on your assessment.

You've made your point.  Move on.  Please.

[NewColtsFan]

21 minutes ago, Gavin said:

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/09000d5d8215c8ab/article/how-practice-changes-could-negatively-impact-nfl-games

 

I have no idea why it quoted you so many times and wont let me unquote you all but 1 time but here is the link

 

 

First.....   thanks to everyone who responded.      My honest answer is that I'm stunned.     I did not realize that pads and contact had been cut back this far.      I'm beyond shocked.      I knew that it was limited,   but not that much.     Wow!

 

That said.......     

 

I'm still not sure we got this right.....     here is the explanation from one of the links that was provided....

 

What I've posted below reads to me as 14 padded practices MAX during the regular season.    I've put into BOLD the two sentences that jumped off the page at me.....     if someone has a different interpretation,  then please share it here...    Thanks!

 

 

If you are going to be competing week-to-week, in the most grueling sport where players have described the beatings feeling similar to a car wreck each day, then perhaps it's best to have the players conditioned properly. Yet, every year it's been the same result. The NFL has limited teams to 11 padded practices for the first eleven weeks of the season. As a coaching staff, you are only allotted to have two padded practices in a one week period once. After that only one day per week can there be full-contact. In the final six weeks of the season a team is allowed to only conduct three padded practices. It just seems like a lot of time away from the actual game-type situations. Of course, the NFLPA fought for some of these provisions including limiting the amount and types of practices that can be conducted during the bye week. That's not to say that all players were in agreement about the changes but what's done is done at this point.

[Everyone]

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[Everyone]

• Some beautiful throws. There were, as always, some beautiful throws today from Andrew Luck. One was in individual drills with the quarterback throwing to a receiver with one defensive back on him, and Luck placed the football perfectly as he threw it right over Dezmen Southward and into Phillip Dorsett’s hands in the end zone. A little later in practice during team stuff, Luck found T.Y. Hilton in the pocket between four defenders and put just enough touch on the throw to get it to Hilton for a nice gain. Even Scott Tolzien got in on it, as he made a beautiful throw to drop it in perfectly in stride to Tevaun Smith.

[Everyone]

• Miscommunication with Moncrief? Luck’s only major miscue of the day came on his lone interception. He threw it across the middle of the field and there was no receiver in the area, as Darius Butler just had to sit and wait for the pick. It appeared Luck was throwing to Moncrief, but it was evident that it was probably miscommunication. It’s unclear who’s fault that was, but it was an ugly-looking play. But here’s the thing: it’s much better for the miscommunication to happen in practice and then for Luck and Moncrief to get on the same page than for the miscommunication to happen in a game. That’s what practice is for, so the key is simply taking that mistake and making sure it doesn’t happen again.

[Everyone]

• Getting tricky with the offense. There was a stretch in practice today when the Colts were working on some trick plays - a segment of practice I called “plays you’ll probably never see in a game.” Earlier in practice in the individual drills, the Colts practiced a couple of flea flickers. Then when they got to team drills, they ran some direct snap plays to Frank Gore, as Andrew Luck split out wide. After that, Scott Tolzien and Stephen Morris both came in with the twos and Tolzien split out wide while Tolzien ran some read option plays. Again, I doubt we’ll see those plays in an actual game, but the Colts are working on them and putting them in the back of the playbook just in case they need them.

[Everyone]

     Luck and Ferguson. I feel like I’ve mentioned Josh Ferguson’s role quite a bit, but today I’ll add something besides just the fact that he’s been getting a lot of reps with the first team. For most of training camp, Ferguson has taken the individual drill reps with Andrew Luck.

 

     Here’s what that means: when the Colts are doing individual drills, it involves things like the quarterbacks handing off to the running backs and the quarterbacks throwing routes with receivers. Andrew Luck always makes sure to work with the usual suspects: T.Y. Hilton, Donte Moncrief, Phillip Dorsett, Dwayne Allen, and Frank Gore. That makes sense, as Luck will be working with those guys the most. But when watching practice, you get the feel for how Luck makes sure to work with those guys on the individual work.

     

     Here’s what’s interesting: Since very early in camp, Luck has been working with Josh Ferguson in the individual work. He’ll take the first rep with Frank Gore, then step aside while Scott Tolzien and Stephen Morris work with the other running backs. Then, when Josh Ferguson comes up, Luck gets back in and runs the rep with him. I watched this specifically today to see if it was more than a coincidence, and I’m convinced it is: it’s been happening since early in camp, and it’s been happening pretty much every single time. When you add that in with all of the first team reps Ferguson has been getting in team drills, it really makes you stop and think about his role moving forward.

[Everyone]

• Getting Palardy up to speed. The Colts signed Michael Palardy last weekend because Pat McAfee tweaked his knee last week, meaning Palardy would have handled the punting duties in Sunday’s game. McAfee was dressed in full pads today, but the team did limited special teams work. Instead, at one point the specialists were working on a side field with Palardy getting him up to speed... on holding. He held for Adam Vinatieri yesterday on field goals, and it appeared that there were a couple of misplayed holds, so today Matt Overton, Adam Vinatieri, Pat McAfee, and Tom McMahon all lined up and took turns throwing Palardy a football like a snap, doing so rapidly and helping him get the motion down for holding on a kick. It’s unclear when or even if that will be needed in a game, but better safe than sorry.

[Everyone]

     Injury update. The usual guys, Henry Anderson and Clayton Geathers, were both once again out today, as were Tevin Mitchel, D’Joun Smith, Abou Toure, and Hugh Thornton. Thornton once again has a boot on his right foot, and it’s getting to the ridiculous stage, considering both his injury history and the fact that we haven’t been led to believe it’s anything serious.

     

     Thornton entered training camp needing to impress in order to win a starting spot; he’s getting ready to leave camp with his roster spot very much uncertain.

     

     Marcus Leak returned to practice today after a week of sitting out, but after doing a few individual reps early in practice he then stopped working and went to a side field. So while he was dressed and began to work, he didn’t do much at all.

     

Patrick Robinson was also in full pads and was working on a side field, but late in practice he entered in to 11-on-11 work for some work. The good news for the Colts was that they got two starters back today, as David Parry and Joe Reitz both returned. Reitz had been out a few days with a groin injury but was expected to return today, and Parry missed yesterday’s practice with an unknown injury (he had a bandage on his right shin).

[Everyone]

• Jack Doyle absent as well. Doyle missed practice, but it wasn’t due to an injury.According to Colts.com’s Kevin Bowen, Doyle and his wife welcomed the birth of their first child today, a boy. That’s a great reason to miss practice, for sure. Congrats to Jack and his wife on the birth of their son!

[Everyone]

     Wrapping camp tomorrow. The Colts will wrap up their 2016 training camp tomorrow as they return to the practice field for the final time. They will practice at 8:05 a.m., and it’s typically a very laid-back practice that goes quickly, as everyone wants to get out of there. So honestly, today was the last full day of Colts camp. They’ll wrap things up tomorrow and then get ready for their preseason opener on Saturday against the Buffalo Bills.

[MB-ColtsFan]

10 minutes ago, Everyone said:

•      Injury update. The usual guys, Henry Anderson and Clayton Geathers, were both once again out today, as were Tevin Mitchel, D’Joun Smith, Abou Toure, and Hugh Thornton. Thornton once again has a boot on his right foot, and it’s getting to the ridiculous stage, considering both his injury history and the fact that we haven’t been led to believe it’s anything serious.
•      
•      Thornton entered training camp needing to impress in order to win a starting spot; he’s getting ready to leave camp with his roster spot very much uncertain.
•      
•      Marcus Leak returned to practice today after a week of sitting out, but after doing a few individual reps early in practice he then stopped working and went to a side field. So while he was dressed and began to work, he didn’t do much at all.
•      
• Patrick Robinson was also in full pads and was working on a side field, but late in practice he entered in to 11-on-11 work for some work. The good news for the Colts was that they got two starters back today, as David Parry and Joe Reitz both returned. Reitz had been out a few days with a groin injury but was expected to return today, and Parry missed yesterday’s practice with an unknown injury (he had a bandage on his right shin).

I think I have mentally checked out on Thornton.  I'm ready to move on.  I love the potential, but hate the reality.

Give Good the keys.

[jchandler7]

17 minutes ago, Everyone said:

     Wrapping camp tomorrow. The Colts will wrap up their 2016 training camp tomorrow as they return to the practice field for the final time. They will practice at 8:05 a.m., and it’s typically a very laid-back practice that goes quickly, as everyone wants to get out of there. So honestly, today was the last full day of Colts camp. They’ll wrap things up tomorrow and then get ready for their preseason opener on Saturday against the Buffalo Bills.

Awesome job, thanks for all the updates, much appreciated!

[OLD FAN MAN]

9 hours ago, Gavin said:

They also only get 14 padded practices for the entire year. 11 in the regular season

no wonder there are so many players injured every season

[twfish]

Thank you so much @Everyone

[AZColt11]

Great stuff @Everyone.  Thanks much!

[theanarchist]

12 hours ago, THE FUTURE IS NOW said:

no wonder there are so many players injured every season

I tend to agree with this. I know these guys work out and train year round but its tough to be in contact shape when  you have very few practices in pads. There has to be a connection.

[Smonroe]

42 minutes ago, theanarchist said:

I tend to agree with this. I know these guys work out and train year round but its tough to be in contact shape when  you have very few practices in pads. There has to be a connection.

 

It would be an interesting stat - are there more injuries with the new CBA rules than there were prior?

 

We have to define injury though - a lot of the camp injuries are things you'd play with in the regular season.  They just are more cautious during the preseason.  Maybe define it as something that would cause a player to miss multiple games?

[theanarchist]

1 hour ago, Smonroe said:

 

It would be an interesting stat - are there more injuries with the new CBA rules than there were prior?

 

We have to define injury though - a lot of the camp injuries are things you'd play with in the regular season.  They just are more cautious during the preseason.  Maybe define it as something that would cause a player to miss multiple games?

It would difficult to do. I do know tho, that there is a difference between being in shape and being in shape to play a game. I can't believe that 10 or 11 practices in pads gets you ready for those kind of collisions. I know reducing padded practice is all in the name of safety. The size and speed of players these days also has to be taken into account. This is a conversation for an entire new thread . It just seems bizarre that players, atleast in my perception, seem to be getting hurt at a higher rate than the days of old and yet in theory modern day players have the benefit of better technology with protective devices, medicine as well as training and rehab.

[Smonroe]

24 minutes ago, theanarchist said:

It would difficult to do. I do know tho, that there is a difference between being in shape and being in shape to play a game. I can't believe that 10 or 11 practices in pads gets you ready for those kind of collisions. I know reducing padded practice is all in the name of safety. The size and speed of players these days also has to be taken into account. This is a conversation for an entire new thread . It just seems bizarre that players, atleast in my perception, seem to be getting hurt at a higher rate than the days of old and yet in theory modern day players have the benefit of better technology with protective devices, medicine as well as training and rehab.

 

I tried to find some information and there was an old article that tried to say that because the guys are resting more their tendons are more susceptible to injury.  It was widely disputed as not making any sense since it's not like they guys do nothing when they're not practicing.

 

Like you said, the size and speed of the players, and the fact that most of them are fine tuned like race horses, probably leads to more injuries.  I'm not sure we can say there are more injuries due to less practice though.

 

I know the vets appreciate having less practices, they take enough beatings throughout the season.

 

 

[Valpo2004]

On 8/10/2016 at 2:38 PM, Everyone said:

 

 

Easy to say when you are the guy wearing the red jersey though.

[Gavin]

15 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Easy to say when you are the guy wearing the red jersey though.

True but remember this is the same guy who congratulates opposing defense players for a good hit on him

[JPFolks]

On 8/10/2016 at 3:36 PM, Everyone said:

 

.This made me think about the fact that we have more outside games than normal this year.  We play 6 games outdoors and I think 5 may be on grass... I think that is a big disadvantage for our team who is used to turf.