Yikes! Jackson and Freeman have a Combined

[southwest1]

If you think our wide receiver core was and is so talented then I suggest you go back to last year and look at the AFCC game against New England!

We got beat by NE in the AFCCG last season, primarily because INDY couldn't stop RB LeGarrette Blount or Mr. "Blunt Force Trauma" [Love the broadcaster who came up with that nickname BTW very creative.] A tall order to achieve I know because the only teams I've seen that can slow Blount down with solid tackling are the Seahawks in the SB & the NY Giants this year. 

 

It had nothing to do with the quality of INDY's WRs or their inability to get open that night LFN. To Grigs credit, he did make necessary defensive changes on our line. 

[Coffeedrinker]

D"Qwell has been playing well all year long.

 

I think the Colts need to address the ILB in the draft because DQ is getting old for an NFL LB and Freeman needs to be replaced.

[BProland85]

Colts need Myles JAck. But we need almost every other position. Next year, NEW ILB's, RT, C, DL, OLB(3), S, CB2

Would much rather have Jaylon Smith. Better size for the 3/4 and is similar to Jamie Collins.

[TrueBlueHorseshoe]

If you think our wide receiver core was and is so talented then I suggest you go back to last year and look at the AFCC game against New England!

Couldn't that be said of any unit on the team?

[Defjamz26]

You do make a good point BHC. Some Colts fans on here find a flaw with every unit on our football team no matter what week it is even if we barely won the game.

You just can't excel at every position [Defense, secondary, special teams, or running back] since there is only so much money to go around. Every squad has a weakness somewhere no matter what.

All I want is better coaching & halftime adjustments with whatever new regime we get on the sidelines next year.

Part of our Freeman's problem is that he over pursues & doesn't practice gap containment as well as he initially did when we first signed him in INDY.

You can't excel at every position but there is no reason why after 4 drafts by our GM that every position except for QB, WR, and TE is a need. We needs CBs, RBs, offensive lineman (possibly 3 depending on who you ask, OLBs (badly), ILBs (badly), defensive lineman because Langford is good but older, and safeties. And our specialists are good but I didn't factor them in.

Just not enough talent at key positions.

[Colts_Fan12]

If you think our wide receiver core was and is so talented then I suggest you go back to last year and look at the AFCC game against New England!

oh my god you people that act like you have to have 3 all pro WR make no sense we had TY and Moncrief that alone was fine AJ hasn't been great but he has been fine to be the 3rd WR there was no damn reason for a WR i don't care what happened in the NE game

[krunk]

We got beat by NE in the AFCCG last season, primarily because INDY couldn't stop RB LeGarrette Blount or Mr. "Blunt Force Trauma" [Love the broadcaster who came up with that nickname BTW very creative.] A tall order to achieve I know because the only teams I've seen that can slow Blount down with solid tackling are the Seahawks in the SB & the NY Giants this year.

It had nothing to do with the quality of INDY's WRs or their inability to get open that night LFN. To Grigs credit, he did make necessary defensive changes on our line.

I don't know if I agree with this in full SW1. Blount was an issue but you can't tell me we were able to put together successful drives in that game and the line was not the problem. Guys could not get open, Reggie was too old, nicks too slow, Revis had Moncrief shutdown and T.Y. Doubled. We were not completing very many passes. I think Pep was a huge part of the issue though. The play calling was awful. The guy didn't know how to consistently scheme people open and he abandoned a running game that was averaging 5 yards a carry. When you're running well like that that is another way you can scheme people open via play action. I'm not tripping because Grigson drafted the highest rated player on his board at the time of the pick. If it was a WR then so be it, we needed to add some speed and to replace Reggie anyway. The offensive line is improving and its with young players Grigson drafted previously or signed as UDFA. He also drafted well defensively. I'm not sure I buy the notion he passed over glaring needs for a WR.

[austriancolt]

The inability to understand why BPA is the best long game strategy is getting about as old... As a Colts ILB.

Get over it.

 

I disagree BPA isn't the best long game strategy. It's actually pretty dumb if you end up with three consecutive WR in round one in the draft because they are the BPA and you have a lot of holes at other positions you won't go anywhere. Best strategy is still best player available at a position of need until you get the chance to draft a guy who is really that special that you can't miss on him. 

[SteelCityColt]

no it's not how you get someone like Werner he wasn't the best player available when we picked that year it was Xavier Rhodes. why didn't we pick him that year huh? Guess Grigs didn't think we needed him since we had Toler and Vontae yet he will take a WR when we had TY AJ and Moncrief.

 

You've just made an argument for drafting for need here, you get that right?

[Colts_Fan12]

You've just made an argument for drafting for need here, you get that right?

you really gonna sit here and argue that Werner was BPA? Same with Dorsette cause both were NOT. Only in grigson head

[SteelCityColt]

you really gonna sit here and argue that Rhodes was not BPA? Same with Dorsette cause both were NOT. Only in grigson head

 

I'm not even sure you know what we're arguing here... you're saying that BPA is bull and we should draft for need and then nay say the FO for drafting need over talent in the case of Werner/Rhodes. Make up your mind. 

[Colts_Fan12]

I'm not even sure you know what we're arguing here... you're saying that BPA is bull and we should draft for need and then nay say the FO for drafting need over talent in the case of Werner/Rhodes. Make up your mind.

actually what I said to begin with was why is it impossible for the BPA to be a player of need as well like Kendricks was this year same with Rhodes the year we got Werner. none of us mind BPA if we actually took the beast player available but we didn't we left some of the best players on the board

[SteelCityColt]

actually what I said to begin with was why is it impossible for the BPA to be a player of need as well like Kendricks was this year same with Rhodes the year we got Werner. none of us mind BPA if we actually took the beast player available but we didn't we left some of the best players on the board

 

Of course it's not impossible... but need shouldn't dictate BPA. 

 

What we're arguing about then really isn't BPA, but the assessment of player talent. So in effect the argument from the board is that we can assess a player talent better then a full time scouting team with years of experience. 

[Colts_Fan12]

Of course it's not impossible... but need shouldn't dictate BPA.

What we're arguing about then really isn't BPA, but the assessment of player talent. So in effect the argument from the board is that we can assess a player talent better then a full time scouting team with years of experience.

sure as hell looks that way

And it's sad and a big problem

Btw need isn't dictating anything just the "need" players were better then Dorsett so technically that makes them the BPA and not Dorsett

Kendricks and Rhodes are helping make the Viking D one of the top units while Werner sits inactive for an AFCCG and Dorsett sits behind TY Moncrief and possibly AJ

[jvan1973]

sure as hell looks that way

And it's sad and a big problem

Hindsight is always fun

[Colts_Fan12]

Hindsight is always fun

nothing is hindsight many said Rhodes was a better pick the year we got Werner and I wanted Kendricks since before the draft

[oldunclemark]

wont be any more whining about Jackson, huh?

[jvan1973]

wont be any more whining about Jackson, huh?

Oh I'm sure there will be.

[twfish]

nothing is hindsight many said Rhodes was a better pick the year we got Werner and I wanted Kendricks since before the draft

alot of people said RG3 was better than luck too......

[krunk]

I don't know what will happen with DQ in the off season but I don't want to hear anything else dissing the guy. He is playing out of his skull this year. Period!

[Colts_Fan12]

alot of people said RG3 was better than luck too......

No... No they didn't

[oldunclemark]

I don't know what will happen with DQ in the off season but I don't want to hear anything else dissing the guy. He is playing out of his skull this year. Period!

No. 1 in tackles in the NFL, right?

[jvan1973]

No... No they didn't

They most certainly did

[Colts_Fan12]

They most certainly did

no one of any importance did and 32 out of the 32 GMs pick Luck

[jvan1973]

no one of any importance did and 32 out of the 32 GMs pick Luck

They would now. You must have blacked out the 2012 season

[Colts_Fan12]

They would now. You must have blacked out the 2012 season

I never heard 1 GM say they would have took rg3 over luck. I seen a bunch of stupid fans thinking he was great after his rookie year

[krunk]

No. 1 in tackles in the NFL, right?

In this game he got a sack, a pick 6, and a pass break up or two. Guy has been making timely plays all year long.

[aaron11]

DQ is such a weird case of getting a lot of praise and a lot of crap for what he does.  he makes plays against the run for sure, and always gets his tackle numbers.

 

today he was probably the teams mvp

[aaron11]

i don't buy the theory that tackle stats are worthless numbers either.  a lesser player would be missing and having their hits broken out of

[PHJIndy]

LB pick six today!  He was fast enough to run six yards or so!

Edited November 23, 2015 by 21isSuperman

[twfish]

No... No they didn't

yes... yes they did, have you ever paid attention?

[Colts_Fan12]

yes... yes they did, have you ever paid attention?

this has been discussed idk how many times and I have yet to see anyone with any proof of "so many people" thinking rg3 was better then luck

[twfish]

this has been discussed idk how many times and I have yet to see anyone with any proof of "so many people" thinking rg3 was better then luck

Well ya see there's this guy who's name rhymes with ship who was proclaiming into last year RG3 would be better on the same team. There where many sports analysis who were saying the same or are you blinded by the hindsight? Also I never replied back to a earlier post because you contradicted yourself in a post so badly I wasn't sure where too start and I'm glad I didn't waste my time because your one of those people that has no clue..

[Colts_Fan12]

Well ya see there's this guy who's name rhymes with ship who was proclaiming into last year RG3 would be better on the same team. There where many sports analysis who were saying the same or are you blinded by the hindsight? Also I never replied back to a earlier post because you contradicted yourself in a post so badly I wasn't sure where too start and I'm glad I didn't waste my time because your one of those people that has no clue..

lol and all you can say was "many sports analysts" yet no names if everyone's knows all the people who said he would be better exist get some proof

[Cynjin]

no one of any importance did and 32 out of the 32 GMs pick Luck

Tony Dungy said he would pick RG3. Also, I doubt seriously that 32 out of 32 GMs thought, at that time, Luck was better than RG3. The majority would have but not all, and very few would have thought there was as big a difference as it turned out so far.

[RockThatBlue]

They both were pretty good today. DQ practically won the game for us.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Yep. WR may not have had experience or whatever people wanna use a an excuse to why Dorsett was taken, but we have enough pass catchers. We don't have enough pass rushers or run stoppers though. That's what the draft should've been for

If he didn't like Collins or Brown at that pick, trade back. Don't take a WR we don't need

Agree & couldn't find playing time for when he was healthy, how does the guy get better PRACTICE!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

They were good today as they usually are. DQ has had an all pro year even before today!

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Collins was obviously the answer

Pro Football Focus certainly is not fond of Collins' work thus far. The rookie is 82nd out of 84 safeties graded by PFF with a score of -9.1. He is dead last in coverage at -9.8, was allowed four touchdowns and the 340 yards he has allowed in pass coverage is the most of any safety. He has also been credited with 10 missed tackles. Alarmingly, and tellingly, the only safety in the league who has missed more tackles in Brandon Meriweather of the Giants, with 14.

I not saying I had a Collins & nobody else attitude My #1 guy was him, how crazy the Giants traded up to get him? I could have stomached all kinds of picks but WR who has the same skill set as one we have ?? What, who when healthy couldn't see the field because we have many receivers! I would have preferred ANY other position over a WR other than Punter or maybe QB. Collins may turn out to be great, or a bum, honestly I don't know, but at least he will get to see the field to determine that and a chance to progress hopeful. Dorrsett we still have to wait and see. I am over it now, hope he turns out great, but it is still shocking the pick! Honestly when we drafted him I thought they weren't going to sign TY? Then it made sense!

[twfish]

lol and all you can say was "many sports analysts" yet no names if everyone's knows all the people who said he would be better exist get some proof

actually I gave you the name of one and I thought it was pretty obvious. If you can't get who I'm hinting at then you have truly shown too me you don't pay attention