Will Shane Let AR Play His Game Against Houston?

[Smonroe]

…or we he hold him back and have him play Flacco’s game like he did in the first half against the Dolphins?

 

Shane was on record with his Steph Curry analogy.  But then he kept Richardson in check until we were in danger of losing.  
 

He (Shane) must have said “I have to be better” at least 10 times after the game.

 

So my question is - do you think he’ll “be better” and let AR run more RPO’s and designed QB runs or not?

[DougDew]

I hope Shane tries to win the game and allow AR to play like a starting NFL QB.  He needs the reps as a starter.

 

IMO, typically lots of rushing yards from a QB means the passing game is in trouble, and its a losing mix despite the ESPN highlight plays.  Rushing yards from a QB should be situational escapes of sacks or improvising FDs, which usually don't amount to a lot of rushing yards unless the QB is doing those things a lot....bad passing game. 

 

Lamar might say differently, but BAL has only had a decent passing game after about Lamar's 5th year.  And he came into the NFL as a much better runner and thrower, IMO

[BlackTiger]

Who knows, with as much time as hes missed I can see why they dont want to go full Lamar or Cam Newton with him.  They didnt win many games by dropping back and passing either though.

 

He feels like a big catch 22 to me

[DougDew]

16 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

Who knows, with as much time as hes missed I can see why they dont want to go full Lamar or Cam Newton with him.  They didnt win many games by dropping back and passing either though.

 

He feels like a big catch 22 to me

I tend to agree. 

 

For years, we criticized "Frank's O" for not having enough big chunk passing plays, and relied more on short passes even with the defense playing tight.  Now it seems AR produces either rushing yards or big play yards and the short passing game is deficient.  Unfortunately, previous criticism failed to recognize that a sustained short passing game is much more important than big play passing game, if you had to have one or the other.  

 

Keep throwing short passes.  And from the pocket because that's where he's going to have to eventually succeed anyway.  Doesn't mean don't call others, but don't avoid pocket passing plays.

[Defjamz26]

I think Houston will look to take the deep ball to Pierce away so there’s not a repeat of week 1. Shane needs to fully unleash Richardson if we are to have a chance at winning.  He needs to run the ball a lot. The issue is that they’ll likely force him to throw short to intermediate passes, which have been his kryptonite.

 

A lot depends on if JT plays or not too.

[Smonroe]

Bowen summed up the Miami plan pretty well.  They thought Downs was the primary target, so they doubled him.  Put their fastest DB on Pierce to stop the long ball, and they knew MPJ wasn’t 100% so he could be singled.   I know that’s not exactly what they did, but it’s a good plan.

 

So how do you beat that?  Quick short passes to your TEs, which is AR’s weakness.  And we mostly keep them in to block.  
 

But if Shane lets him run, they can’t cover everyone like that.  
 

Yeah, JT would help tremendously but Goodson and Sermon started doing okay once AR became a bonafide threat.  

[boo2202]

We drafted AR because of his elite traits. Why not game plan to use all of those special traits. Imo the only way AR is going to be a special player, we must use his size and speed. If he continues to get hurt using these things, he wasn’t going to pan out anyway. 

[Smonroe]

15 minutes ago, boo2202 said:

We drafted AR because of his elite traits. Why not game plan to use all of those special traits. Imo the only way AR is going to be a special player, we must use his size and speed. If he continues to get hurt using these things, he wasn’t going to pan out anyway. 

Agreed.  You don’t want to over use his legs, but the threat has to be there.  And the only way that happens is if they let him run.  
 

Didn’t they come out one game and let him run on the first play?  Even if he doesn’t get many yards, it puts the threat in their minds.  Draws the safety, opens up both the pass, and run game for JT.  
 

We need long drives against Houston and the gauntlet of games coming up.  We want to wear down defenses and run the ball at the end of the game.  

[Indyfan4life]

I’m all for Shane letting AR actually play his style (within some limits). I don’t want to see him only trying to sling everything 70 yards downfield, but I also don’t want to see him stuck in the pocket and not create plays with his legs and arm. 

[lollygagger8]

Every series we watch passes sail, or go in the dirt, and then every once in a while he'll throw an amazing bomb.

 

Without a doubt, the accuracy level is off the charts bad though. (Worst in league) 

 

Plus when he takes off running (love that he's soooo fast) but I cringe and hope he doesn't get hurt. 

 

Regardless, you got to let the kid (very young) play in order to get better. 

 

Welcome to the wonderful world of watching the emotional roller coaster lol 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I said it in the other thread. I think we will see AR look mort like game two from last year then game one from this year. More like Steelers first 2 drives. A nice mix. 

[Patrick Miller]

Well trying to turn him into a pocket passer hasn’t worked so far.  Heck just let him run around and throw deep. 

[DougDew]

51 minutes ago, boo2202 said:

We drafted AR because of his elite traits. Why not game plan to use all of those special traits. Imo the only way AR is going to be a special player, we must use his size and speed. If he continues to get hurt using these things, he wasn’t going to pan out anyway. 

Agreed, but how many of those plays should be called?  I don't think you can call a lot of them, so the conversion of FDs via the pass always has to be paramount.  AR needs to be allowed to use all of his traits, but he still lacks probably the most important trait, so unleashing him or not isn't really the issue.   He needs to do what NFL QBs are supposed to do.  And lets hope he gets there soon.

[richard pallo]

I liked the designed sweep we ran with AR and Q pulling.  That was very effective.   

[boo2202]

18 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Agreed, but how many of those plays should be called?  I don't think you can call a lot of them, so the conversion of FDs via the pass always has to be paramount.  AR needs to be allowed to use all of his traits, but he still lacks probably the most important trait, so unleashing him or not isn't really the issue.   He needs to do what NFL QBs are supposed to do.  And let’s hope he gets there soon.

I think 7-10 designed runs per game would be about right. Look at how panthers were successful with cam or Ravens with Lamar. They built in designed runs for them not just RPO. 

[ADnum1]

50 minutes ago, Patrick Miller said:

Well trying to turn him into a pocket passer hasn’t worked so far.  Heck just let him run around and throw deep. 

That's what the Falcons did with Vick.

 

They tried to turn him into a pocket passer and it didn’t work.

 

They let him use his best two weapons- running around and throwing it deep

[LJpalmbeacher2]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

I liked the designed sweep we ran with AR and Q pulling.  That was very effective.   

 

Yeah, I also like him running outside more than inside PLUS its less punishment on him. 

[Jason_]

3 hours ago, Patrick Miller said:

Well trying to turn him into a pocket passer hasn’t worked so far.  Heck just let him run around and throw deep. 

 

I don't think anyone expected AR to become a pocket passer in 9 games....at least they shouldn't have expected that because it that was never a realistic expectation.

[Patrick Miller]

24 minutes ago, Jason_ said:

 

I don't think anyone expected AR to become a pocket passer in 9 games....at least they shouldn't have expected that because it that was never a realistic expectation.

I do recall Ballard going on about how Richardson was a pocket qb…..

[Jason_]

4 minutes ago, Patrick Miller said:

I do recall Ballard going on about how Richardson was a pocket qb…..

 

When was this and are you sure he wasn't saying that AR had the potential to become a pocket QB?

[Patrick Miller]

17 minutes ago, Jason_ said:

 

When was this and are you sure he wasn't saying that AR had the potential to become a pocket QB?

So I guess he didn’t actually say pocket passer but that’s what he alluded to. Here’s his quote:

 

“I’m going to tell you one of the things that really surprised me with Anthony because I was concerned about it, but this guy is a passer. We all kind of — because here’s this big talented athlete. I mean, this guy is a legitimate passer, and I believe that. I think he’s going to continue to get better and improve the more he plays. But Anthony can play from the pocket and throw the ball accurately.”

[AKB]

I think we should be running the ball far more than we are. We have far too many quick 3 and outs, and it's very feast or famine. I'm not saying we should draw up a gameplan like McFleur did for Willis, but we definitely should be on our way to an offense that looks very run, play-action, and screen-heavy, then hit the deep pass over the top. 

 

We wait until the 3rd and 4th quarter to get aggressive anyway. Why not start with ball control in mind to begin with. 

[Hoose]

One thing I’d hope to see more of is some roll outs for AR. He did some of that last year pre injury and he threw well on the run. 

[jvan1973]

59 minutes ago, Patrick Miller said:

So I guess he didn’t actually say pocket passer but that’s what he alluded to. Here’s his quote:

 

“I’m going to tell you one of the things that really surprised me with Anthony because I was concerned about it, but this guy is a passer. We all kind of — because here’s this big talented athlete. I mean, this guy is a legitimate passer, and I believe that. I think he’s going to continue to get better and improve the more he plays. But Anthony can play from the pocket and throw the ball accurately.”

That's a far cry from your first post on the subject.   AR has shown he can throw the ball accurately from the pocket.  The consistency is the issue

[Patrick Miller]

15 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

That's a far cry from your first post on the subject.   AR has shown he can throw the ball accurately from the pocket.  The consistency is the issue

go to 3:00. That’s probably what I was remembering. I agree consistency and accuracy is the problem.

[ChuggaBeer]

I think they need to help him slow the game down by only having him read one side of the field or 2 reads not the full progression    If its not there then run.   Steelers did that with Ben his rookie season IIRC and it helped him out a lot.   

[compuls1v3]

On 10/23/2024 at 7:39 AM, Defjamz26 said:

I think Houston will look to take the deep ball to Pierce away so there’s not a repeat of week 1. Shane needs to fully unleash Richardson if we are to have a chance at winning.  He needs to run the ball a lot. The issue is that they’ll likely force him to throw short to intermediate passes, which have been his kryptonite.

 

A lot depends on if JT plays or not too.

I'd like to see some Pierce on the outside as a decoy for Mitchell to get open on the outside.  I haven't seen Mitchell in too many contested catches.  Hopefully Taylor returns as well which opens up the passing attack. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

On 10/23/2024 at 4:54 PM, jvan1973 said:

That's a far cry from your first post on the subject.   AR has shown he can throw the ball accurately from the pocket.  The consistency is the issue

Seems the issue is he starts out having a good game then he gets injured during the game. Then has to start over. Hopefully he can get a good game in and play the entire game and build on that. He has also played some tough defenses.

[Smoke317]

We need to let Pierce clear out the DB’s with go routes & let Mitchell run the corner routes underneath it.  We haven’t used that route combo since week 1.

[ShuteAt168]

On 10/23/2024 at 3:54 PM, jvan1973 said:

That's a far cry from your first post on the subject.   AR has shown he can throw the ball accurately from the pocket.  The consistency is the issue

If he’s inconsistent is he really accurate? 

[AKB]

On 10/23/2024 at 4:54 PM, jvan1973 said:

That's a far cry from your first post on the subject.   AR has shown he can throw the ball accurately from the pocket.  The consistency is the issue

accuracy can't be discussed without consistency. 

 

who cares if someone can hit a shot 1 out of 100. that's why we track attempts. 

[Dark Superman]

Having JT back should open up more opportunities in the passing game. let AR play to his strengths and allow him to use his legs more to create big plays.

[MB-ColtsFan]

They should just script in a few of each for him to begin the game.  Some RB runs, some short passes, a couple of long ones, some QB  runs, etc.  See what works and go from there.  I don't think it's too complicated to start out this way.  I don't know that they do that so much from whatI have seen so far but I could be wrong?

[MB-ColtsFan]

On 10/23/2024 at 4:11 PM, AKB said:

I think we should be running the ball far more than we are. We have far too many quick 3 and outs, and it's very feast or famine. I'm not saying we should draw up a gameplan like McFleur did for Willis, but we definitely should be on our way to an offense that looks very run, play-action, and screen-heavy, then hit the deep pass over the top. 

 

We wait until the 3rd and 4th quarter to get aggressive anyway. Why not start with ball control in mind to begin with. 

I just don't think play-action works from the shotgun.  It fools no one.  The alternative, to me is RPO, which AR should be very good at I would think?  AR under center is also not an option, but it would definitely avail for a wicked play-action with JT back there.

Just my .02.

[AKB]

3 hours ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

I just don't think play-action works from the shotgun.  It fools no one.  The alternative, to me is RPO, which AR should be very good at I would think?  AR under center is also not an option, but it would definitely avail for a wicked play-action with JT back there.

Just my .02.

the play action from pistol can work. 

i really don;t like the no-under-center %, but oh well