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21 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

1. What's $35m? You talking about the QB tender amount?

 

2. Yes, essentially that is the year to year breakdown. Without breaking it into base, SB, roster bonus, etc...

 

2024 is:

$1.08m base + $5m Pro rated SB totaling $6.08m for the season. He would get paid $26.08m cash though as he would receive all $25m of SB up front.

 

 

I do need to go back and reconfigure my math on how much the retained FAs used.

 

Think I did $1.008m, instead of $1.08m, same with the $1.01m contracts 

Yes the tender amount.  That’s what the player receives not 21.6m.  That low cap number in 24 for Pittman would allow the team to trade for a WR like McLaurin for example and not be concerned with two WR’s taking up a lot of cap space next year.  Opens up a lot of doors flexibility wise when putting together the roster.  Extending Pittman is a must.  

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16 hours ago, w87r said:

2024 Cap Space:

Spotrac - $72,921,060(including 2023 rollover)

OtC - $72,317,587(including 2023 rollover)

 

Players under contract - 43

 

Free Agents:(Retained)

QB:

Kellen Mond(PS)(3) - $1.01m

RB:

Trey Sermon(3) - $1.01m

Zavier Scott(PS)(1) - $870k

WR:

Michael Pittman - Franchise Tag($21.664m/ or Extension)

My contract projection:

5 year, $101.08m, $25m SB, $56.08m guaranteed

2024 - $6.08m guaranteed ($26.08m in cash)

2025 - $20m guaranteed 

2026 - $20m guaranteed 

2027 -$27m non guaranteed($10m dead cap)

2028 - $28m non guaranteed ($5m dead cap)

KJ Hamler(PS)(4) - $1.08m

Juwann Winfree(PS)(5) - $1.08m

Tyrie Cleveland(PS)(4) - $1.08m

Ethan Fernea(PS)(2) - $870k

TE:

Jordan Murray(PS)(1) - $870k

OG:

Arlington Hambright(PS)(4) - $1.08m

Ike Boettger(PS)(6) - 1.08m

OC:

Danny Pinter(4) - $1.08m

Jack Anderson(3) - $1.01m

DE:

Tyquan Lewis -

2 year, $8m, $4m guaranteed

2024 - $4m guaranteed 

2025 - $4m non guaranteed 

Jake Martin(6) - $1.08m

Genard Avery(6) - $1.08m

DT:

Grover Stewart -

3 year, $30 million ($10 million per year), $20 million total guaranteed **see OP

Taven Bryan(6) - $1.08m

McTelvin Agim(PS)(4) - $1.08m

LB:

Sequn Olubi - ERFA - $750k

Cameron McGrone - ERFA - $750k

Liam Anderson(PS)(1) - $870k

CB:

Kenny Moore -

2 year, $13.5 million ($6.75 million per year), $8 million total guaranteed ** see OP

Chris Lammons(6) - $1.08m

Darren Hall(PS)(3) - $1.01m

Isaac Taylor- Stuart(PS)(2) - $870k

S:

Trevor Denbow - ERFA - $870k

Marcel Dabo(PS)(1) $870k

Tyreque Jones(PS)(1) $870k

P:

Rigoberto Sanchez - $1yr $3m

 

Free Agents:(Let Walk)

Zach Moss - let test market, may be back, small chance

Jared Veldheer(retire)

Isaiah McKenzie - he's gone

Tony Brown - he's gone

Julian Blackmon - let test market, may re-sign 

Jaydon Mickens

Gardner Minshew - signs as starter/bridge somewhere 

Derek Rivers

Zach McCloud 

 

 

 

New Roster after Signing our own FAs;

2024 Roster:(under contract)(re-signed)

 

Offense:(37)

QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Ehlinger, Kellen Mond

RB: Johnathan Taylor, Evan Hull, Tyler Goodson, Trey Sermon,  Zavier Scott

WR: Michael Pittman, Alex Pierce, Josh Downs, Ashton Dulin, DJ Montgomery, KJ Hamler, Juwann Winfree, Tyrie Cleveland, Ethan Fernea 

TE: Mo Alie-Cox, Andrew Ogletree, Jelani Woods, Kylen Granson, Will Mallory, Jordan Murray

OT: Bernard Raimann, Braden Smith, Blake Freeland, Jake Witt

OG: Quentin Nelson, Will Fries, Josh Sills, Arlington Hambright, Ike Boettger 

OC: Ryan Kelly, Wesley French, Danny Pinter, Jack Anderson 

 

Defense:(34)

DE: Samson Ebukam, Kwity Paye, Dayo Odeyingbo, Tyquan Lewis, Titus Leo, Isaiah Land, Genard Avery, Jake Martin

DT: Deforest Buckner, Grover Stewart, Taven Bryan, Adetomiwa Adebawore, Eric Johnson, McTelvin Agim

LB: EJ Speed, Zaire Franklin, Grand Stuard, Sequn Olubi, Cameron McGrone, Liam Anderson 

CB: Dallis Flowers, JuJu Brents, Kenny Moore, Jaylon Jones, Ameer Speed, Chris Lammons, Darren Hall, Isaac Taylor-Stuart

S: Rodney Thomas, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott, Trevor Denbow, Marcel Dabo, Tyreque Jones 

 

SPT:(3)

K: Matt Gay

P: Rigoberto Sanchez 

LS: Luke Rhodes 

 

 

Signed 31 own FA's for total: $54,210,000

Top 51 Cap Hit: $34,200,000

(23 x $870k = $20.01m) - players contracts fall under top 51

 

 

Players Under Contract:(74)

 

New Cap Space: $38m - $39m

Draft Pick Allotment:$7-$8m($3m top 51)

 

 

We'll still be able to free up another $5.92m if we decide to move on from Alie-Cox.

 

 

Seems like a lot, but the team didn't coach up all these guys on the practice squad so they can move on. They hope they can get most back for another run next year.

 

This leaves (16) spots for draft picks/UDFA and FA acquisitions.

 

 

Can always churn back in of 90 of the need more room

 

 

 

Thoughts?

Just wanted to bump this from bottom of last page so it don't get buried.

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I’m not in the big contract for pitman camp, I don’t think he is that kind of receiver. I wouldn’t extend current players under contract next year. There are too many injuries in the nfl now. i would shy away from big guaranteed money contracts for any players except a proven franchise qb unless it is at a great discount. Players know their career could end at any time, so guaranteed money should be at a discount or a big money contract that doesn’t have any guaranteed money.

 

i don’t like any of the te’s, so they can all walk. The colts need a huge upgrade that will help the passing and running game.

 

i love Buckner, but he is getting older and play seems to deteriorate fast when players hit 30. Qb is the only position where older is ok. 


I would draft a rookie qb to hopefully replace minshew.

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On 12/24/2023 at 7:48 PM, Indyfan4life said:

Injury prone… Injury prone would be Anthony Gonzalez. Injury Prone is not Richardson getting slammed to the ground with his arm extended by a 300lb DT.
 

Can’t believe the absolute nonsense and narrative some people still say about this situation. Unlucky hits happen. Is Tua injury prone after what happened to him previously? No. 
 

Just stop this crap. 

Glad someone on here gets it.

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On 12/24/2023 at 11:09 AM, w87r said:

Been wanting to start this thread for a little while. I guess the time has come. 

 

This thread will be for conversation pertaining to upcoming Colts Free Agent, possible extensions/restructures, cuts(as they often get spread amongst multiple threads).

 

 

First state of business, is cap space for next year. The NFL has stated that the cap will be north of $240m.

 

2024 Cap Space:

Spotrac -$72,759,392(including 2023 rollover)

OtC - $71,192,587 (including 2023 rollover)

 

 

Players under contract - 44(5th most)

Average player age - 26.18 (5th youngest)

 

 

2024 Roster:(under contract)

Offense:(23)

QB: Anthony Richardson, Sam Ehlinger

RB: Johnathan Taylor, Evan Hull, Tyler Goodson 

WR: Alex Pierce, Josh Downs, Ashton Dulin, DJ Montgomery

TE: Mo Alie-Cox, Andrew Ogletree, Jelani Woods, Kylen Granson, Will Mallory

OT: Bernard Raimann, Braden Smith, Blake Freeland, Jake Witt

OG: Quentin Nelson, Will Fries, Josh Sills

OC: Ryan Kelly, Wesley French 

 

Defense:(19)

DE: Samson Ebukam, Kwity Paye, Dayo Odeyingbo, Titus Leo

DT: Deforest Buckner, Adetomiwa Adebawore, Eric Johnson

LB: EJ Speed, Zaire Franklin, Grand Stuard, Isaiah Land

CB: Dallis Flowers, JuJu Brents, Jaylon Jones, Ameer Speed, Chris Lammons 

S: Rodney Thomas, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott

 

SPT:(2)

K: Matt Gay

P:

LS: Luke Rhodes 

 

 

2023 Practice Squad:(some likely future contracts once season ends)

QB: Kellen Mond

RB: Zavier Scott

WR: KJ Hamler (IR), Tyrie Cleveland, Jaydon Mickens, Ethan Fernea

TE: Jordan Murray, Eric Tomlinson 

OT: Jared Veldheer 

OG: Arlington Hambright, Ike Boettger

DE: Derek Rivers(IR), Zach McCloud

DT: McTelvin Agim 

LB: Liam Anderson, Austin Ajiake

CB: Darren Hall, Isaac Taylor- Stuart(IR)

S: Marcel Dabo, Tyreque Jones 

Have updated the above to reflect current roster under contract in 2024, heading into the offseason and current PS.

 

 

We should be signing some futures contracts, as soon as tomorrow, to combine these list together and get a good look at what 55-60 players we will enter the offseason with, under contract.(will update as soon as it happens)

 

 

Looking like our draft pick will be in the #15-#16 spot.

 

Some needs have definitely shown themselves. Be interesting to find out if Gus stays, and how long that decision takes.

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Didn't really see a good place for this earlier. Might be posted somewhere but this seems like an appropriate place for it 

 

future is bright and it starts now 

 

EDIT: just saw it posted on the post game thread a little bit agom

 

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3 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

We traded the 13th pick for Buckner back in 2020.  I hope we do something similar for a WR or ER this off season.

I don’t think we need to do that this year. We have a lot of players to resign in the next 1-2 years. Although, it would make sense given Steichen’s history with the Eagles & Hurts. Let him develop a bit & then make a big splash at WR

 

There is a lot of top talent at WR in this draft tho. 

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7 minutes ago, Colts1324 said:

I don’t think we need to do that this year. We have a lot of players to resign in the next 1-2 years. Although, it would make sense given Steichen’s history with the Eagles & Hurts. Let him develop a bit & then make a big splash at WR

 

There is a lot of top talent at WR in this draft tho. 

They are not proven though.  I would prefer the proven player.  Instant weapon for AR.

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44 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Do you guys think Ballard would pay chase young. I don’t think SF can afford to keep him. He is basically a rental. 

I don't see why he would.

 

Both our DE's had more sacks than Chase this year.

 

Last 4 years:

Young 16.5 sacks

Ebukam 23.5 sacks

Paye 18.5 sacks (3 years)

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I think most of us agree there is a big four maybe five that Ballard is going to have decide on fast that could up a big chunk of the cap space or open it up if Ballard doesn’t keep them.  Everyone else would probably have minimal contracts if Ballard keeps them.

 

the big guys to watch are Pittman, Grover, Moore, Moss, and maybe Blackmon.  

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4 hours ago, w87r said:

I don't see why he would.

 

Both our DE's had more sacks than Chase this year.

 

Last 4 years:

Young 16.5 sacks

Ebukam 23.5 sacks

Paye 18.5 sacks (3 years)


i don’t know why so many people wanted the colts to trade for him earlier! 
 

don’t need him.

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I think it’s time we start to consider the possibility of trading the 15th overall pick to the commanders for Terry Mclaurin. Stay with me but: 

1) why it makes sense for the colts: 

Michael Pittman has been great for the colts this year, and is a great possession reciever who wins doing the dirty work. He has strong hands and is good over the middle, but he isn’t a true separator. Alec pierce is a promising yet unproven deep threat, and Josh downs has been a great slot addition this year, but struggles to maintain consistency across games. Mclaurin is a true separator and is a true alpha dog on the outside.  Adding him into our offense would immediately put us up there with the 49ers and Dolphins in terms of offensive weaponry. They can also afford him realistically. The colts enter this offseason with 78 million in cap space, and have some aging players that they can cut or move on from. Pittman is going to warrant around 20 million a year, which is probably going to be done by the colts. Mclaurin’s base salary next season is 17 million, which is a great value for the type of player that he is. This would allow us to add all pro talent while leaving cap space to add depth to the rest of our team. 
Another angle of this is Shane Steichen. He was in Philly for 2 years. First year, first year starter at quarterback and had modest weapons, had talent on the ground game but passing game was inconsistent. Going into year two, they trade for an alpha dog in Aj brown and it completely changes the offense. It gives the growing qb a security blanket. It’s hard to imagine that Steichen isn’t thinking about that right now. The idea of all those weapons and all those athletes with a brain like that is amazing. 
2) why this makes sense for Terry Mclaurin

Terry is an Indianapolis native, who grew up a colts fan. He has been in the embodiment of quarterback purgatory for his entire career. While the commanders organization is looking up, it sure is looking like a full rebuild is about to happen. I doubt he wants to spend his prime waiting on a team to gather draft talent. Mclaurin was linked to the colts the last time he was a free agent as well.

3). Why this makes sense for the Commanders 

It’s always hard to justify your best player leaving your squad, but I think it’s worth a thought. Terry has a big contract, and they have been unloading players all year. While Mclaurin is an amazing player, the rest of the commanders receivers aren’t too bad either, so it wouldn’t be all their talent walking out the door. You are also in perfect position to take a top pass catcher at the 15th pick, which would allow you to grow a cheaper reciever with a young qb that you will take at #2. 
 

While I know this is a far fetched idea, but I think it’s a fun idea and would really increase the ceiling of our team 

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https://www.colts.com/news/colts-sign-9-to-reserve-future-contracts-4-to-one-year-contract-extensions-waive

 

Reserve/Future contract:

Austin Ajiake

Liam Anderson

Tyrie Cleveland

Marcel Dabo

Ethan Fernea

Arlington Hambright

Jordan Murray

Zavier Scott

Eric Tomlinson

One-year contract extensions:

Darrell Baker Jr.

Trevor Denbow

Cameron McGrone

Segun Olubi

 

Waived:

Tony Brown

 

 

Will post updated roster right after

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2024 Roster:(under contract)(61)

Offense:(31)

QB:(2) Anthony Richardson, Sam Ehlinger

RB:(4) Johnathan Taylor, Evan Hull, Tyler Goodson, Zavier Scott

WR:(7) Alex Pierce, Josh Downs, Ashton Dulin, DJ Montgomery, Juwann Winfree, Tyrie Cleveland, Ethan Fernea

TE:(7) Mo Alie-Cox, Andrew Ogletree, Jelani Woods, Kylen Granson, Will Mallory, Jordan Murray, Eric Tomlinson

OT:(4) Bernard Raimann, Braden Smith, Blake Freeland, Jake Witt

OG:(5) Quentin Nelson, Will Fries, Josh Sills, Arlington Hambright, Lewis Kidd

OC:(2) Ryan Kelly, Wesley French 

 

Defense:(28)

DE:(4) Samson Ebukam, Kwity Paye, Dayo Odeyingbo, Titus Leo

DT:(3) Deforest Buckner, Adetomiwa Adebawore, Eric Johnson

LB:(8) EJ Speed, Zaire Franklin, Grand Stuard, Isaiah Land, Cameron McGrone, Segun Olubi, Liam Anderson, Austin Ajiake

CB:(6) Dallis Flowers, JuJu Brents, Jaylon Jones, Ameer Speed, Chris Lammons, Darrell Baker Jr

S:(7) Rodney Thomas, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott, Trevor Denbow, Marcel Dabo, Kendell Brooks, Michael Tutsie

 

SPT:(2)

K: Matt Gay

P:

LS: Luke Rhodes 

 

 

 

 

Remaining Free Agents:

QB: Gardner Minshew

RB: Zach Moss, Trey Sermon

WR: Michael Pittman, Juwann Winfree Isaiah McKenzie 

OC: Danny Pinter

DE: Tyquan Lewis, Jake Martin, Genard Avery

DT: Grover Stewart, Taven Bryan

CB: Kenny Moore

S: Julian Blackmon

P: Rigoberto Sanchez 

 

 

**Remaining unsigned Practice Squad players as well

 

 

 

Cap Space:

OtC - $58,472,587

 

 

Spotrac hasn't updated yet.

 

Draft Picks:

1.15

2.43

3.74

4.109

5.144

6.184

7.230

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On 1/8/2024 at 12:30 AM, Torr60 said:

While I know this is a far fetched idea, but I think it’s a fun idea and would really increase the ceiling of our team 

 

I'm not sure McLaurin is the right complement to Pittman in our offense, I think they cover a lot of the same ground. 

 

McLaurin's 2024 cap hit for the Commanders is $24.1m. If they trade him before June 1, they would have a 2024 cap penalty of $16.8m. If they trade him after June 1, they would have a 2024 cap penalty of $11.2m, plus a 2025 cap penalty of $5.6m. If they did want to trade him, I think it would be after the draft, so the 15th pick wouldn't be available.

 

I think a more realistic trade candidate is Brandon Aiyuk. The Niners have cap issues, and he's going to want $25m/year. But similar to McLaurin, I'm not sure he's the right complement to Pittman. 

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I was looking at OTC and contemplating on draft day if RT Taliese Fuaga (Oregon St) was available at pick 15 we take him but make a call to the Lions and trade Braden Smith for their late first pick and both their thirds.  Not saying Smith will decline like Leonard did but with the hip, wrist and left knee season injuries time might be to sell now.  Smith figured would move inside to RG and improve an already solid Lions OL. 

 

Also wonder how much the Colts will try to target college players who excelled in RPO offenses.  Figure Nabers would be gone but Brian Thomas might fall to us.  Brenden Rice (son of legendary Jerry Rice) in Round 3 is a possibility.  Texas I do like Ja'Tavion Sanders at TE or Adonai Mitchell.  Sanders am warming up to where he was already used to coming across formation to get matched up on a high safety on slide concepts where he became the best TE in program history.  Have to do more research but SWR Roderic Burns (North Texas) was with another program that excelled in RPO and also adds bonus as a PR. 

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DE Genard Avery

S Julian Blackmon

DT Taven Bryan

DE Tyquan Lewis

DE Jake Martin

WR Isaiah McKenzie

QB Gardner Minshew II

CB Kenny Moore II

RB Zack Moss

C/G Danny Pinter

WR Michael Pittman Jr.

P Rigoberto Sanchez

DT Grover Stewart

WR Juwann Winfree
 

That’s who we need to make decisions on.

 

if it were me, I’m keeping if I can, 

 

Pittman

Grover

Moore

 

 

That will likely eat a large portion of our cap space for this year.
 

I’d also resign Lewis, he’s gonna be cheaper and he’s a good rotation piece. I’d like to keep Moss but not sure the ROI is worth it.

minshew- I could go either way on.  

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10 hours ago, OhioColt said:

I was looking at OTC and contemplating on draft day if RT Taliese Fuaga (Oregon St) was available at pick 15 we take him but make a call to the Lions and trade Braden Smith for their late first pick and both their thirds.  Not saying Smith will decline like Leonard did but with the hip, wrist and left knee season injuries time might be to sell now.  Smith figured would move inside to RG and improve an already solid Lions OL. 

 

Also wonder how much the Colts will try to target college players who excelled in RPO offenses.  Figure Nabers would be gone but Brian Thomas might fall to us.  Brenden Rice (son of legendary Jerry Rice) in Round 3 is a possibility.  Texas I do like Ja'Tavion Sanders at TE or Adonai Mitchell.  Sanders am warming up to where he was already used to coming across formation to get matched up on a high safety on slide concepts where he became the best TE in program history.  Have to do more research but SWR Roderic Burns (North Texas) was with another program that excelled in RPO and also adds bonus as a PR. 

a 1st and 2 3rd round picks for Braden Smith???? 

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6 hours ago, csmopar said:

DE Genard Avery

S Julian Blackmon

DT Taven Bryan

DE Tyquan Lewis

DE Jake Martin

WR Isaiah McKenzie

QB Gardner Minshew II

CB Kenny Moore II

RB Zack Moss

C/G Danny Pinter

WR Michael Pittman Jr.

P Rigoberto Sanchez

DT Grover Stewart

WR Juwann Winfree
 

That’s who we need to make decisions on.

 

if it were me, I’m keeping if I can, 

 

Pittman

Grover

Moore

 

 

That will likely eat a large portion of our cap space for this year.
 

I’d also resign Lewis, he’s gonna be cheaper and he’s a good rotation piece. I’d like to keep Moss but not sure the ROI is worth it.

minshew- I could go either way on.  

 

If it were me I'd go:

 

Pittman 

Grover

Lewis

Sanchez

 

I could go either way on:

Minshew: More because Idk if he will want to comeback but I'd give him the same contract 1.75 Base+1.75 Bonus with incentives based on playing time.

Pinter: I could see signing him as center depth if its cheap enough but don't think it is necessary, as we draft OL well.

Blackmon: I would like for Blackmon to return but between what a contract will look like and that we have Cross on the roster which Blackmon and Cross are SS. It makes me think they let Blackmon walk and Cross take over the starting role. Although if they resign Blackmon, I could see Cross getting more play time at nickel.

 

Not Resigning:

Moore: I like Kenny Moore but I think it is the right time to let him walk in FA, he's gonna get paid, and will likely start declining, more importantly I think we can use that cap space to bring an outside corner veteran and I think we have some interesting replacements on the roster right now for nickel corner.

Moss: He's gonna go to a team that is looking for a starter.

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5 hours ago, Zoltan said:

 

If it were me I'd go:

 

Pittman 

Grover

Lewis

Sanchez

 

I could go either way on:

Minshew: More because Idk if he will want to comeback but I'd give him the same contract 1.75 Base+1.75 Bonus with incentives based on playing time.

Pinter: I could see signing him as center depth if its cheap enough but don't think it is necessary, as we draft OL well.

Blackmon: I would like for Blackmon to return but between what a contract will look like and that we have Cross on the roster which Blackmon and Cross are SS. It makes me think they let Blackmon walk and Cross take over the starting role. Although if they resign Blackmon, I could see Cross getting more play time at nickel.

 

Not Resigning:

Moore: I like Kenny Moore but I think it is the right time to let him walk in FA, he's gonna get paid, and will likely start declining, more importantly I think we can use that cap space to bring an outside corner veteran and I think we have some interesting replacements on the roster right now for nickel corner.

Moss: He's gonna go to a team that is looking for a starter.

I’m in the fence about Moore as well but I’m out on Sanchez, he’s definitely fallen off a cliff this year , at least to the eye test.

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49 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’m in the fence about Moore as well but I’m out on Sanchez, he’s definitely fallen off a cliff this year , at least to the eye test.

Sanchez started off slow as he came back from his injury.  But actually finished the season strong.  I’m hoping they resign him and I think they will.

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12 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

What would you guys think of Jeremy Chin. Nice compliment with Blackmon.

Do you like anyone. lol Sanchez didn’t fall off.

It's true, his Net and Gross yardage per kick have never been higher, but his percentage of inside the 20 is down 12+10% to a career low. Could be indicative of field position? Possibly some but, he needed to help fill the field more.

 

 

 

Haven't really looked at other punters stats, nor plan to. Actually I lied, I just did. :facepalm:

 

He ranks:

Gross Yards - 48.3(12th)

Net Yards - 42.8(9th)

IN20% - 30.9(27th)

 

 

 

I know PFF graded him low(bottom 10), that inside the 20% must be a big part of their scoring.

 

 

I can say watching there was a lot of times he could've really helped flip the field and it was just a good punt. Needed more great punts.

 

 

I'm not against, nor advocating for, Sanchez to be back. I am fine either way, 

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1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

What would you guys think of Jeremy Chin. Nice compliment with Blackmon.

Do you like anyone. lol Sanchez didn’t fall off.

Apparently I have to break things down like I did when you said I didn’t want to keep Pittman, which I clearly stated to anyone that actually bothered to read what I typed. 
 

sanchez can be replaced. He’s not bad. But I just think his production could be easier to replace for cheaper. 

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55 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Apparently I have to break things like I did when you said I didn’t want to keep Pittman, which I clearly stated to anyone that actually bothered to read what I typed. 
 

sanchez can be replaced. He’s not bad. But I just think his production could be easier to replace for cheaper. 

Like Zach hicks said he has seen people replace punters and it’s been disastrous. Punters don’t make much so don’t mess with it when you have a good one.

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29 minutes ago, w87r said:

It's true, his Net and Gross yardage per kick have never been higher, but his percentage of inside the 20 is down 12+10% to a career low. Could be indicative of field position? Possibly some but, he needed to help fill the field more.

 

 

 

Haven't really looked at other punters stats, nor plan to. Actually I lied, I just did. :facepalm:

 

He ranks:

Gross Yards - 48.3(12th)

Net Yards - 42.8(9th)

IN20% - 30.9(27th)

 

 

 

I know PFF graded him low(bottom 10), that inside the 20% must be a big part of their scoring.

 

 

I can say watching there was a lot of times he could've really helped flip the field and it was just a good punt. Needed more great punts.

 

 

I'm not against, nor advocating for, Sanchez to be back. I am fine either way, 

 

I think our whole special teams unit took a step back this year with the change at special teams coach. I think it is hard to tell if a punter is good or not because the punt coverage is just as important as the punt. Bad punt coverage can make a inside the 20 become a touchback or a good distant punt to a long return and low net yards. I would hope with another year our special teams will improve and get less penalties. As for Sanchez, I would definitely bring in competition I know McAfee talked about how it wasn't until they brought in competition that was better at directional punts, that he decided to improve that part of his game instead of being all power.

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This is where I would like our roster to look like going into free agency. 

 

Current 2024 Cap Space:

Spotrac - Not Updated with new moves (including 2023 rollover)

OtC - $58,472,587 (including 2023 rollover)

 

Re-signed 

 

2024 Roster:(66 under contract)

Offense:(31)

QB:(2) Anthony Richardson, Sam Ehlinger

RB:(4) Johnathan Taylor, Evan Hull, Tyler Goodson, Zavier Scott

WR:(7) Alex Pierce, Josh Downs, Ashton Dulin, DJ Montgomery, Juwann Winfree, Tyrie Cleveland, Ethan Fernea

TE:(7) Mo Alie-Cox, Andrew Ogletree, Jelani Woods, Kylen Granson, Will Mallory, Jordan Murray, Eric Tomlinson

OT:(4) Bernard Raimann, Braden Smith, Blake Freeland, Jake Witt

OG:(5) Quentin Nelson, Will Fries, Josh Sills, Arlington Hambright, Lewis Kidd

OC:(2) Ryan Kelly, Wesley French 

 

Defense:(32)

DE:(5) Samson Ebukam, Kwity Paye, Dayo Odeyingbo, Tyquan Lewis, Titus Leo

DT:(4) Deforest Buckner, Grover Stewart, Adetomiwa Adebawore, Eric Johnson

LB:(8) EJ Speed, Zaire Franklin, Grand Stuard, Isaiah Land, Cameron McGrone, Segun Olubi, Liam Anderson, Austin Ajiake

CB:(7) Dallis Flowers, JuJu Brents, Kenny Moore, Jaylon Jones, Ameer Speed, Chris Lammons, Darrell Baker Jr

S:(8) Julian Blackmon, Rodney Thomas, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott, Trevor Denbow, Marcel Dabo, Kendell Brooks, Michael Tutsie

 

SPT:(3)

K: Matt Gay

P: Rigoberto Sanchez 

LS: Luke Rhodes 

 

 

Remaining Free Agents:

QB: Gardner Minshew - walk

RB: Zach Moss - walk

Trey Sermon - walk for now, maybe re-sign later

WR: Michael Pittman - tag $21.7m + Trade(1st + 4th)

Isaiah McKenzie - walk

OC: Danny Pinter - walk(injured maybe re-sign once healthy?)

DE: Tyquan Lewis - re-sign 2yrs $8m, $3.5m year 1

Jake Martin - walk

Genard Avery - walk(injured maybe re-sign once healthy?)

DT: Grover Stewart - re-sign 2yrs $20m, $9m year 1

Taven Bryan - walk

CB: Kenny Moore - re-sign 3yr $27m deal, $8m year 1

S: Julian Blackmon - re-sign 2yr $14m real, $6m year 1

P: Rigoberto Sanchez - re-sign 1yr $2.5m

 

 

 

So for this exercise Pittman's cap number has no effect as he is traded. And let me preface this with, I am fine with Pittman back(hope he is), I just think it plays out this way. He wants to test the market, which he can if we franchise him(seems only option at this point), then I think he will get an offer on the market that Ballard doesn't want to match and he takes the picks. As it seems Pitt might want to head West right now?

 

 

Now new re-signed players 1st year cap hits total:

$29m

(5) players will fall off the top 51 in the moves for a total of:

$4.6m

Net cap hit for (5) re-signed players:

$24.4m

 

 

Subtract that from current cap space and the new cap space heading into Free Agency would be:

$34m

 

That's prior to any restructures/extensions or $5.9m saved releasing/trading Mo Alie-Cox.

 

Roster would look like above, and draft picks would look like this:

 

Draft Picks:

1.15

1st - (1st from Pittman trade)

2.43

3.74

4.109

4th - (4th from Pittman trade)

5.144

6.184

7.230

 

 

 

Would have (24) roster spots left entering the draft, in which we have (9) selections to start this scenario. I'm sure Ballard would move around and pick up a couple more.

 

That leaves (15) or less roster spots. 4-5 FAs:⁠- and (10) UDFA.

 

 

 

 

Thoughts? What would you do with those draft picks? Keep both 1st? Options are endless right now. Exciting times.

 

 

 

I love this time of the year, truly.

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13 minutes ago, w87r said:

This is where I would like our roster to look like going into free agency. 

 

Current 2024 Cap Space:

Spotrac - Not Updated with new moves (including 2023 rollover)

OtC - $58,472,587 (including 2023 rollover)

 

Re-signed 

 

2024 Roster:(66 under contract)

Offense:(31)

QB:(2) Anthony Richardson, Sam Ehlinger

RB:(4) Johnathan Taylor, Evan Hull, Tyler Goodson, Zavier Scott

WR:(7) Alex Pierce, Josh Downs, Ashton Dulin, DJ Montgomery, Juwann Winfree, Tyrie Cleveland, Ethan Fernea

TE:(7) Mo Alie-Cox, Andrew Ogletree, Jelani Woods, Kylen Granson, Will Mallory, Jordan Murray, Eric Tomlinson

OT:(4) Bernard Raimann, Braden Smith, Blake Freeland, Jake Witt

OG:(5) Quentin Nelson, Will Fries, Josh Sills, Arlington Hambright, Lewis Kidd

OC:(2) Ryan Kelly, Wesley French 

 

Defense:(32)

DE:(5) Samson Ebukam, Kwity Paye, Dayo Odeyingbo, Tyquan Lewis, Titus Leo

DT:(4) Deforest Buckner, Grover Stewart, Adetomiwa Adebawore, Eric Johnson

LB:(8) EJ Speed, Zaire Franklin, Grand Stuard, Isaiah Land, Cameron McGrone, Segun Olubi, Liam Anderson, Austin Ajiake

CB:(7) Dallis Flowers, JuJu Brents, Kenny Moore, Jaylon Jones, Ameer Speed, Chris Lammons, Darrell Baker Jr

S:(8) Julian Blackmon, Rodney Thomas, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott, Trevor Denbow, Marcel Dabo, Kendell Brooks, Michael Tutsie

 

SPT:(3)

K: Matt Gay

P: Rigoberto Sanchez 

LS: Luke Rhodes 

 

 

Remaining Free Agents:

QB: Gardner Minshew - walk

RB: Zach Moss - walk

Trey Sermon - walk for now, maybe re-sign later

WR: Michael Pittman - tag $21.7m + Trade(1st + 4th)

Isaiah McKenzie - walk

OC: Danny Pinter - walk(injured maybe re-sign once healthy?)

DE: Tyquan Lewis - re-sign 2yrs $8m, $3.5m year 1

Jake Martin - walk

Genard Avery - walk(injured maybe re-sign once healthy?)

DT: Grover Stewart - re-sign 2yrs $20m, $9m year 1

Taven Bryan - walk

CB: Kenny Moore - re-sign 3yr $27m deal, $8m year 1

S: Julian Blackmon - re-sign 2yr $14m real, $6m year 1

P: Rigoberto Sanchez - re-sign 1yr $2.5m

 

 

 

So for this exercise Pittman's cap number has no effect as he is traded. And let me preface this with, I am fine with Pittman back(hope he is), I just think it plays out this way. He wants to test the market, which he can if we franchise him(seems only option at this point), then I think he will get an offer on the market that Ballard doesn't want to match and he takes the picks. As it seems Pitt might want to head West right now?

 

 

Now new re-signed players 1st year cap hits total:

$29m

(5) players will fall off the top 51 in the moves for a total of:

$4.6m

Net cap hit for (5) re-signed players:

$24.4m

 

 

Subtract that from current cap space and the new cap space heading into Free Agency would be:

$34m

 

That's prior to any restructures/extensions or $5.9m saved releasing/trading Mo Alie-Cox.

 

Roster would look like above, and draft picks would look like this:

 

Draft Picks:

1.15

1st - (1st from Pittman trade)

2.43

3.74

4.109

4th - (4th from Pittman trade)

5.144

6.184

7.230

 

 

 

Would have (24) roster spots left entering the draft, in which we have (9) selections to start this scenario. I'm sure Ballard would move around and pick up a couple more.

 

That leaves (15) or less roster spots. 4-5 FAs:⁠- and (10) UDFA.

 

 

 

 

Thoughts? What would you do with those draft picks? Keep both 1st? Options are endless right now. Exciting times.

 

 

 

I love this time of the year, truly.

I’d be okay with trading him if we got at that for him. I’d be moving up to grab a receiver forsure after that. Would swap 1sts and whatever else it took but wouldn’t give up the other 1st we just got. Maybe 1st and 2nd and whatever else it took but we keep the other 1st

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38 minutes ago, w87r said:

This is where I would like our roster to look like going into free agency. 

 

Current 2024 Cap Space:

Spotrac - Not Updated with new moves (including 2023 rollover)

OtC - $58,472,587 (including 2023 rollover)

 

Re-signed 

 

2024 Roster:(66 under contract)

Offense:(31)

QB:(2) Anthony Richardson, Sam Ehlinger

RB:(4) Johnathan Taylor, Evan Hull, Tyler Goodson, Zavier Scott

WR:(7) Alex Pierce, Josh Downs, Ashton Dulin, DJ Montgomery, Juwann Winfree, Tyrie Cleveland, Ethan Fernea

TE:(7) Mo Alie-Cox, Andrew Ogletree, Jelani Woods, Kylen Granson, Will Mallory, Jordan Murray, Eric Tomlinson

OT:(4) Bernard Raimann, Braden Smith, Blake Freeland, Jake Witt

OG:(5) Quentin Nelson, Will Fries, Josh Sills, Arlington Hambright, Lewis Kidd

OC:(2) Ryan Kelly, Wesley French 

 

Defense:(32)

DE:(5) Samson Ebukam, Kwity Paye, Dayo Odeyingbo, Tyquan Lewis, Titus Leo

DT:(4) Deforest Buckner, Grover Stewart, Adetomiwa Adebawore, Eric Johnson

LB:(8) EJ Speed, Zaire Franklin, Grand Stuard, Isaiah Land, Cameron McGrone, Segun Olubi, Liam Anderson, Austin Ajiake

CB:(7) Dallis Flowers, JuJu Brents, Kenny Moore, Jaylon Jones, Ameer Speed, Chris Lammons, Darrell Baker Jr

S:(8) Julian Blackmon, Rodney Thomas, Nick Cross, Daniel Scott, Trevor Denbow, Marcel Dabo, Kendell Brooks, Michael Tutsie

 

SPT:(3)

K: Matt Gay

P: Rigoberto Sanchez 

LS: Luke Rhodes 

 

 

Remaining Free Agents:

QB: Gardner Minshew - walk

RB: Zach Moss - walk

Trey Sermon - walk for now, maybe re-sign later

WR: Michael Pittman - tag $21.7m + Trade(1st + 4th)

Isaiah McKenzie - walk

OC: Danny Pinter - walk(injured maybe re-sign once healthy?)

DE: Tyquan Lewis - re-sign 2yrs $8m, $3.5m year 1

Jake Martin - walk

Genard Avery - walk(injured maybe re-sign once healthy?)

DT: Grover Stewart - re-sign 2yrs $20m, $9m year 1

Taven Bryan - walk

CB: Kenny Moore - re-sign 3yr $27m deal, $8m year 1

S: Julian Blackmon - re-sign 2yr $14m real, $6m year 1

P: Rigoberto Sanchez - re-sign 1yr $2.5m

 

 

 

So for this exercise Pittman's cap number has no effect as he is traded. And let me preface this with, I am fine with Pittman back(hope he is), I just think it plays out this way. He wants to test the market, which he can if we franchise him(seems only option at this point), then I think he will get an offer on the market that Ballard doesn't want to match and he takes the picks. As it seems Pitt might want to head West right now?

 

 

Now new re-signed players 1st year cap hits total:

$29m

(5) players will fall off the top 51 in the moves for a total of:

$4.6m

Net cap hit for (5) re-signed players:

$24.4m

 

 

Subtract that from current cap space and the new cap space heading into Free Agency would be:

$34m

 

That's prior to any restructures/extensions or $5.9m saved releasing/trading Mo Alie-Cox.

 

Roster would look like above, and draft picks would look like this:

 

Draft Picks:

1.15

1st - (1st from Pittman trade)

2.43

3.74

4.109

4th - (4th from Pittman trade)

5.144

6.184

7.230

 

 

 

Would have (24) roster spots left entering the draft, in which we have (9) selections to start this scenario. I'm sure Ballard would move around and pick up a couple more.

 

That leaves (15) or less roster spots. 4-5 FAs:⁠- and (10) UDFA.

 

 

 

 

Thoughts? What would you do with those draft picks? Keep both 1st? Options are endless right now. Exciting times.

 

 

 

I love this time of the year, truly.

Hard to see anyone trading a 1st and 4th for Pittman and then giving him the contract he is looking for.  Everyone keeps saying this draft is loaded at WR.  Just draft one with that 1st pick and get the receiver on a rookie contract.  A trade means a team views him as a difference maker but his own team with plenty of cap space does not and will not pay him with a rookie quarterback under contract and in need of receiving talent.  You pay Taylor but not Pittman.  I would be shocked.

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