2006Coltsbestever Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I wonder what our record would be if we had Gilmore all year? Maybe 5-3 which just irks me. Oh well! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: I wonder what our record would be if we had Gilmore all year? Maybe 5-3 which just irks me. Oh well! Trading Gilmore was a sign that Ballard did not expect to contend for the AFC South Division title. Why do fans expect us to contend when the FO didn't even make the necessary investments this year? He's obviously invested for the future, not the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, DougDew said: Trading Gilmore was a sign that Ballard did not expect to contend for the AFC South Division title. Why do fans expect us to contend when the FO didn't even make the necessary investments this year? He's obviously invested for the future, not the present. Yeah, I disagreed with that move by Ballard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: Yeah, I disagreed with that move by Ballard. But you often post like we are primed to go to the SB. Even Ballard doesn't think that, and he's built the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, DougDew said: But you often post like we are primed to go to the SB. Even Ballard doesn't think that, and he's built the team. lol. I have never once posted that we are primed to go to the SB. How do you translate my 8-8-1 prediction into me thinking we are primed to go to the SB? That is interesting. I have posted at times that we could make the playoffs if things go our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: lol. I have never once posted that we are primed to go to the SB. How do you translate my 8-8-1 prediction into me thinking we are primed to go to the SB? That is interesting. I have posted at times that we could make the playoffs if things go our way. But your prediction was probably made after Ballard traded Gilmore. Ballard traded Gilmore because he figured we would NOT be in AFC South Title contention even with him. You probably did think we would be with him, as indicated by your posts a few minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, DougDew said: But your prediction was probably made after Ballard traded Gilmore. Ballard traded Gilmore because he figured we would NOT be in AFC South Title contention even with him. You probably did think we would be with him, as indicated by your posts a few minutes ago. No, with Gilmore I would have felt like we could maybe win the division. I have never remotely thought going into this season that we were SB contenders even had we had Gilmore, especially with a rookie QB. I picked the Ravens to win the SB before the season started. I had them and the Chiefs playing the AFC Title Game regardless. I also had teams like Cincy and the Bills as being better than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said: No, with Gilmore I would have felt like we could maybe win the division. I have never remotely thought going into this season that we were SB contenders even had we had Gilmore, especially with a rookie QB. I picked the Ravens to win the SB before the season started. I had them and the Chiefs playing the AFC Title Game regardless. I also had teams like Cincy and the Bills as being better than us. Whatever level you expect them to achieve is not relevant. I threw out SB to make a point. Lets not turn the convo into that. Your assessment of the Colts chances to win a lot of games is/was higher than Ballard's. That's why you disagree with him trading Gilmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, DougDew said: Trading Gilmore was a sign that Ballard did not expect to contend for the AFC South Division title. Why do fans expect us to contend when the FO didn't even make the necessary investments this year? He's obviously invested for the future, not the present. Gee, we have about $10M in cap space left, with Pittman, Grover, Moore, Franklin, Speed becoming FA. Ballard has addressed every position, with this season being the beginning of the next team build. In 2026, when we might be SB contenders again, 15-20 of our current players will be here. And that will not include a few of our current better `higher salaried' players. We have a few great fans that can't help it that they look at our prospects with Blue colored glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, DougDew said: Whatever level you expect them to achieve is not relevant. I threw out SB to make a point. Lets not turn the convo into that. Your assessment of the Colts chances to win a lot of games is/was higher than Ballard's. That's why you disagree with him trading Gilmore. So you don't think Ballard didn't think we could win at least 8 games? Also you are the one that threw out SB talk looking foolish, so I am not throwing nothing out! You started the SB talk to try and make me look an *. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougDew Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: So you don't think Ballard didn't think we could win at least 8 games? Also you are the one that throughout SB looking foolish so I am not throwing nothing out! You started the SB talk to try and make me look an *. I have no idea how many games Ballard expected the Colts to win. He knew it was a nonplayoff year so he sold Gilmore.....like many are wanting him to do now with other players. You sell vets when you think the season is a wash...not because you think its a contender. Fans are now catching up to Ballard's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, DougDew said: I have no idea how many games Ballard expected the Colts to win. He knew it was a nonplayoff year so he sold Gilmore.....like many are wanting him to do now with other players. You sell vets when you think the season is a wash...not because you think its a contender. Fans are now catching up to Ballard's position. I can't control what the FO does, whatever they want to do is out of my control. If we trade Moss or whoever or even trade Mustache for a low pick, it is what it is. We aren't SB contenders anyway so really our whole discussion is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: Yeah, I disagreed with that move by Ballard. This just makes apparent that our leadership and Gilmore anticipated maybe 6-7 wins. So with respect for Gilmore at this point in his career, we sent him to a contender. I would wager this possibility was part of the discussion getting him to come here. JMO that our Leadership would prefer winning 5 games rather than 7. We need a host of new high quality prospects over the next 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockywoj Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Am I mistaken in the Gilmore wanted out, so Ballard accommodated him? I don’t think this was a case of Ballard just out of the blue trading the team’s best CB, so imho, all this chatter slagging VpBallard for trading Gilmore is basically out of line. GM did the vet a solid by accommodating the vets desire to be moved. Respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Defjamz26 said: I disagree with they were playing “well”. Was Rodgers better than Facyson last year? Absolutely. But like I was saying in another topic, these are guys who made a handful of good plays and he just bet the house on. They showed no type of consistent production. JuJu Brents had played better than any of those guys in his first 4 starts before injuries. Even though EJ Speed and Grover were late round picks from small schools, you gotta be realistic. There’s a reason why those guys go late in the draft. I never got the Rodgers or Flowers hype. What’s weird is the similar rises to being starters. Both were guys who had elite speed and started on special teams. Made a couple of really nice plays as returners and had a handful of defensive plays were they were solid against lower competition and got dubbed as the starter going forward. IMO Rogers and Flowers were always depth guys. Not starters. They were young and yes maybe a mistake here and there. But they weren’t getting beat like we are seeing now. They were guys you can grow with. 1 minute ago, rockywoj said: Am I mistaken in the Gilmore wanted out, so Ballard accommodated him? I don’t think this was a case of Ballard just out of the blue trading the team’s best CB, so imho, all this chatter slagging VpBallard for trading Gilmore is basically out of line. GM did the vet a solid by accommodating the vets desire to be moved. Respect. Yes he asked for a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indeee Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Colts 247.2 Eagles 247.5 All in all, yes, our secondary stinks but so does the 2023 Eagles. They are just as putrid. Giving up .3 yards more per game than our Colts through 7 games, yet they are 7-1. Why? I will tell you why AJ Brown. A true alpha 1 receiver. Yes Hurts is there too, however, the alpha receiver is what the current Colts have been needing for years now. Don't fool yourselves about Corner Backs. We need an alpha receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Indeee said: Colts 247.2 Eagles 247.5 All in all, yes, our secondary stinks but so does the 2023 Eagles. They are just as putrid. Giving up .3 yards more per game than our Colts through 7 games, yet they are 7-1. Why? I will tell you why AJ Brown. A true alpha 1 receiver. Yes Hurts is there too, however, the alpha receiver is what the current Colts have been needing for years now. Don't fool yourselves about Corner Backs. We need an alpha receiver. Eagles also have a healthy great QB. That makes all the difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Coltsbestever Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Indeee said: Colts 247.2 Eagles 247.5 All in all, yes, our secondary stinks but so does the 2023 Eagles. They are just as putrid. Giving up .3 yards more per game than our Colts through 7 games, yet they are 7-1. Why? I will tell you why AJ Brown. A true alpha 1 receiver. Yes Hurts is there too, however, the alpha receiver is what the current Colts have been needing for years now. Don't fool yourselves about Corner Backs. We need an alpha receiver. It is because they have a great QB who can mask other problems. Until people listen to me when I say you need a very good - Great QB to win a SB, they will never learn. Since 2014, here are the teams that have won a SB: 2014 - Brady 2015 - Peyton = he still played a very good game vs the Pats in the playoffs. Even at 75% of his old self, he was still very good at times. 2016 - Brady 2017 - Foles 2018 - Brady 2019 - Mahomes 2020 - Brady 2021 - Stafford 2022 - Mahomes -All are Hall of Famers (even Stafford will get in), except Foles. Foles in the one outlier, but 8 of the last 9 SB winners are Hall of Famers or will be. That is 88.9% of the teams that win the big one. Hurts made the SB last year and barely lost to Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid84 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Indeee said: Colts 247.2 Eagles 247.5 All in all, yes, our secondary stinks but so does the 2023 Eagles. They are just as putrid. Giving up .3 yards more per game than our Colts through 7 games, yet they are 7-1. Why? I will tell you why AJ Brown. A true alpha 1 receiver. Yes Hurts is there too, however, the alpha receiver is what the current Colts have been needing for years now. Don't fool yourselves about Corner Backs. We need an alpha receiver. Their defense actually plays bend but don’t break, we play bend and break…. We’ve given up 229 points, they’ve given up 172. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittywerb Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, Solid84 said: Their defense actually plays bend but don’t break, we play bend and break…. We’ve given up 229 points, they’ve given up 172. Yup, they’ve also made a purpose to create a good pass rush by drafting and signing talent and going out and a getting true number one receiver. Two things ballard has yet to do. also add in Gus refuses to blitz. Even if defensive backs are bad, you still have to try and create pressure. I’d rather go down trying than to just not try at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterBowman Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said: It is because they have a great QB who can mask other problems. Until people listen to me when I say you need a very good - Great QB to win a SB, they will never learn. Since 2014, here are the teams that have won a SB: 2014 - Brady 2015 - Peyton = he still played a very good game vs the Pats in the playoffs. Even at 75% of his old self, he was still very good at times. 2016 - Brady 2017 - Foles 2018 - Brady 2019 - Mahomes 2020 - Brady 2021 - Stafford 2022 - Mahomes -All are Hall of Famers (even Stafford will get in), except Foles. Foles in the one outlier, but 8 of the last 9 SB winners are Hall of Famers or will be. That is 88.9% of the teams that win the big one. Hurts made the SB last year and barely lost to Mahomes. Yep that's true unless you have a generational defense like Baltimore, Seattle Legion of Boom era, etc you need an upper echelon qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Pennock Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Defjamz26 said: I disagree with they were playing “well”. Was Rodgers better than Facyson last year? Absolutely. But like I was saying in another topic, these are guys who made a handful of good plays and he just bet the house on. They showed no type of consistent production. JuJu Brents had played better than any of those guys in his first 4 starts before injuries. Even though EJ Speed and Grover were late round picks from small schools, you gotta be realistic. There’s a reason why those guys go late in the draft. I never got the Rodgers or Flowers hype. What’s weird is the similar rises to being starters. Both were guys who had elite speed and started on special teams. Made a couple of really nice plays as returners and had a handful of defensive plays were they were solid against lower competition and got dubbed as the starter going forward. IMO Rogers and Flowers were always depth guys. Not starters. "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." ~ The Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR91 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 If I'm Ballard after watching a nobody get 153 yards on three catches on you to basically win the game, I'm calling up Denver and acquiring on Surtain. Brents is good, but right now corner is a huge liability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndySouthsider Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Will say this. Tony Brown is mentally tough. Lol, why he gotta be a good dude? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Miller Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 There has GOT to be a vet out there in free agency we can bring in that’s at least competent or better than Brown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 21 hours ago, basspapaw said: Brown needs to be cut he can't cover anyone then gives them yards and new sets of downs on stupid penalties, IS HIS BACKUP THAT BAD If the secondary was going to be this bad might as well had kept Darius rush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb41champs Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 More INEXPERIENCED cornerback play. Too many things have happened since the offseason which has impacted both the quality and depth at the cornerback position. As such - the defense is going to be in "air raid" mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittywerb Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Stephen said: If the secondary was going to be this bad might as well had kept Darius rush IM SAYING! Like how bad was he? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdgacoltsfan Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Baker Jr was at least covering receivers and had a couple bogus penalties called on him to cost us the Browns game. Brown was no where near receivers. I saw him stumble and get his feet tangled up a couple times and miss a few tackles. I'd rather have Baker at CB. Baker Jr was at least covering receivers and had a couple bogus penalties called on him to cost us the Browns game. Brown was no where near receivers. I saw him stumble and get his feet tangled up a couple times and miss a few tackles. I'd rather have Baker at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Pennock Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 As a follow-up to my previous post about CB's on other teams practice squads (and one on ours already) that could boost our secondary if they were to cut Brown and Baker............. I'd love to see any two of those take a roster spot. I mean, what could it hurt? Darren Hall - Colts 6'0" & 190 10 Starts Amani Oruwariye - Jags 6'2" & 200 36 Starts Michael Ojemudia - Rams 6'1" & 200 12 Starts Cam Dantzler - Saints 6'2" & 188 26 Starts Then there is a street free agent available Greedy Williams 6'2" & 185 21 Starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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