Jonathan Taylor comments on his contract/Request trade (Merge)

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, JColts72 said:

Nobody here should be surprised if there is no trade. Colts being unreal too with asking for 1 pick.

Thry are sending a message to Taylor and we all know the Colts are not really expecting a number one. It's how u open up the bargaining. I bet based on current circumstances, they get is a 3rd.

[richard pallo]

27 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

He could agree to a trade if the team he was traded to agreed not to franchise him. 

Fat chance of that happening.  You give up assets for a player and lose all of your leverage too.  I don’t think so.  Btw Colts can send him to any team that wants him.  He has no say.  

[colts89]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

 

The Colts have all the leverage in the world. They either get the picks they want, or JT stays on the roster. If he stays on the roster, then he can be on PUP and we can determine if we want to franchise tag him or not (and also determine if he's actually injured or not). But, if he's determined to actually be healthy and is sitting out, we can get back the contract year for 2024. He has no win condition here besides playing and proving either to the Colts that he deserves an extension, or proves it to the other 31 teams that he's healthy and worth the first rounder (which he is, if he's healthy...)

 

I get that some fans don't want more drama, but that doesn't mean that trading JT for less than his value while he still has a year and the franchise tag available would be a smart move for the franchise at all. You beat manufactured drama by ignoring it, simple as.

[Moosejawcolt]

14 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

If you don’t have a mahomes yes it can help. Taylor actually does fit that dolphins  offense well.

The thing thay is funny is this. How come we r hearing all this Taylor to Miami talk? Jacobs is coming off a great year and  no injury, but we have heard nothing. To me if I was Miami, I would sooner go after Jacobs, but it's crickets in the media. I believe the agent is leaking all of this to the media as he is trying to make the  Colts look bad. Presuring them to pull the trigger. I don't  think Colts are saying anything. 

[richard pallo]

1 minute ago, Moosejawcolt said:

The thing thay is funny is this. How come we r hearing all this Taylor to Miami talk? Jacobs is coming off a great year and  no injury, but we have heard nothing. To me if I was Miami, I would sooner go after Jacobs, but it's crickets in the media. I believe the agent is leaking all of this to the media as he is trying to make the  Colts look bad. Presuring them to pull the trigger. I don't  think Colts are saying anything. 

They did go after Jacobs with the franchise tag in place.  They were rebuffed by the Raiders.

[Btown_Colt]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

 

I hope they are being somewhat unreasonable  in their demands.

 

If JT wants an unreasonable/above market contract, seems reasonable the Colts can ask for the same in trade comp.

[hoosierhawk]

22 hours ago, Jackie Daytona said:

Denver refuted that.

Could be but heard it again today on Sirius NFL radio. 

[Moosejawcolt]

3 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

They did go after Jacobs with the franchise tag in place.  They were rebuffed by the Raiders.

K...thanks. Didn't know that. 

[Btown_Colt]

4 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

The thing thay is funny is this. How come we r hearing all this Taylor to Miami talk? Jacobs is coming off a great year and  no injury, but we have heard nothing. To me if I was Miami, I would sooner go after Jacobs, but it's crickets in the media. I believe the agent is leaking all of this to the media as he is trying to make the  Colts look bad. Presuring them to pull the trigger. I don't  think Colts are saying anything. 

I mean it’s because you’re biased and it reflects in your thought process on the situation. And I don’t mean that towards you specifically.

 

The simple answer is if the Dolphins are pursuing JT and not the others, they obviously like him better than the others.

 

 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

2 hours ago, Superman said:

These are from Holder a couple days ago. Don't know if they posted in this thread already, but I don't remember seeing them. This is insightful, from someone who has been hinting at how damaged the relationship is. 

 

 

 

 

Tom Pelissero reported that Colts do have plans to extend JT long term and have budgeted for that, though we don't know if that's desirable deal for JT and if both parties would meet middle ground, and we don't know which year Colts would want to get it done. 

 

But, that news is polar opposite of what Holder says, that JT thinks Colts would never be extending him long term.

 

Now, JT might truly fear that he would be stuck with the Colts in perpetual franchise tags, which we now know he'd absolutely abhor. 

[csmopar]

Ummmm I’m on Sirius here at work, they just were talking the JT trade situation and said that per a source on a team that talked to JTs agent, “the asking price to start contract negotiations is 20 million this year, then a 17 mil average over the next 4… for a total of 5 years, fully guaranteed for injury” that team allegedly balked and said no thanks. They went on to say that if JT was expecting market level averages, the colts would have no issue getting the 1st rounder package they want. 
 

the reporter empathized that the team source was NOT Miami. 
 

take it for what it’s worth as I have no link at the moment. But this is the second time we’ve heard this 20 million being thrown out

[1959Colts]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/in-considering-what-to-want-now-for-jonathan-taylor-the-colts-need-to-consider-what-they-could-get-later

 

In considering what to want now for Jonathan Taylor, the Colts need to consider what they could get later

By

Mike Florio

 

...If they’re offered 2024 draft pick(s) now, they could get 2024 draft pick(s) after the season. If Taylor plays and plays well, they could perhaps get more after the season than they could get now — especially if they could get more than one viable contender to the table during the offseason.

In sifting through trade possibilities, the Colts also need to consider the reality that they could let Taylor leave as a free agent after 2023, and get (roughly speaking) a third-round compensatory pick in 2024 (unless they engage in a free-agent signing spree).

If the Colts decide not to trade Taylor this year, they’ll have to deal with Taylor and his apparent discontent with the team. And maybe they will. If they think he’s exaggerating an injury in order to not play, they can take action. They can make it contentious. They can make it ugly...

[csmopar]

2 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Tom Pelissero reported that Colts do have plans to extend JT long term and have budgeted for that, though we don't know if that's desirable deal for JT and if both parties would meet middle ground, and we don't know which year Colts would want to get it done. 

 

But, that news is polar opposite of what Holder says, that JT thinks Colts would never be extending him long term.

 

Now, JT might truly fear that he would be stuck with the Colts in perpetual franchise tags, which we now know he'd absolutely abhor. 

Then JTs agent has definitely failed him worse than I thought. Ballard, Irsay etc have all said they want to but now is not the time. They need to see him in the system first. Which is fair in my opinion 

[Moosejawcolt]

9 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Fat chance of that happening.  You give up assets for a player and lose all of your leverage too.  I don’t think so.  Btw Colts can send him to any team that wants him.  He has no say.  

Of course it can happen.If a team only gives up say a 4th rounder and he agree to play under his current contract, then yes, that team would probably agree not to franhise him next year. It would be a rental. The conditions would have to be right for a team agreeing not to franchise him.   The Colts cannot send him to any team . Taylor can simply say I won't play for say Miami, and then Miami will not make a trade. He does have some leverage. Teams are not going to trade for Taylor unless they have sort of agreement. 

[JColts72]

No money, no extension until if physically fit to play.

[Btown_Colt]

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Ummmm I’m on Sirius here at work, they just were talking the JT trade situation and said that per a source on a team that talked to JTs agent, “the asking price to start contract negotiations is 20 million this year, then a 17 mil average over the next 4… for a total of 5 years, fully guaranteed for injury” that team allegedly balked and said no thanks. They went on to say that if JT was expecting market level averages, the colts would have no issue getting the 1st rounder package they want. 
 

the reporter empathized that the team source was NOT Miami. 

See…if this is even remotely true, I hope the Colts are asking for 7 1st round picks, this year!

[csmopar]

Just now, Moosejawcolt said:

Of course it can happen.If a team only gives up say a 4th rounder and he agree to play under his current contract, then yes, that team would probably agree not to franhise him next year. It would be a rental. The conditions would have to be right for a team agreeing not to franchise him.   The Colts cannot send him to any team . Taylor can simply say I won't play for say Miami, and then Miami will not make a trade. He does have some leverage. Teams are not going to trade for Taylor unless they have sort of agreement. 

The only leverage he has is to sit out. He can’t stop a trade. 

1 minute ago, Btown_Colt said:

See…if this is even remotely true, I hope the Colts are asking for 7 1st round picks, this year!

Well it’s coming from a talking head. Funny thing is, they’re still blaming the colts and Irsay for this. Though this stinks of his agent trying to drive up the price 

[csmopar]

Anyone got the phone number for his agent

[VikingsFanInChennai]

2 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Then JTs agent has definitely failed him worse than I thought. Ballard, Irsay etc have all said they want to but now is not the time. They need to see him in the system first. Which is fair in my opinion 

Yes, very fair on the Colts end.

 

But, it's also clear that JT wants new contract now, and if requires going to another team, he wants to force it happen.

 

IMO, JT's agent only is doing what his client wants. He could have talked to JT explaining the market situation, but they both decided to go with their plan. In that case, they should have started all this drama early in the off-season. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

22 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

The thing thay is funny is this. How come we r hearing all this Taylor to Miami talk? Jacobs is coming off a great year and  no injury, but we have heard nothing. To me if I was Miami, I would sooner go after Jacobs, but it's crickets in the media. I believe the agent is leaking all of this to the media as he is trying to make the  Colts look bad. Presuring them to pull the trigger. I don't  think Colts are saying anything. 

Miami tried to get Jacobs. LV said he wasn’t available.

[#12.]

After seeing two preseason games, I would find some way to extend him.  To be competitive over the next few years and to help Richardson progress, they need a true weapon of some sort.

[dw49]

2 hours ago, Superman said:

These are from Holder a couple days ago. Don't know if they posted in this thread already, but I don't remember seeing them. This is insightful, from someone who has been hinting at how damaged the relationship is. 

 

 

 

The tweet fro Michael makes a whole lot of sense to me.

 

[Superman]

29 minutes ago, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Tom Pelissero reported that Colts do have plans to extend JT long term and have budgeted for that, though we don't know if that's desirable deal for JT and if both parties would meet middle ground, and we don't know which year Colts would want to get it done. 

 

But, that news is polar opposite of what Holder says, that JT thinks Colts would never be extending him long term.

 

Now, JT might truly fear that he would be stuck with the Colts in perpetual franchise tags, which we now know he'd absolutely abhor. 

 

Irsay said they want to keep him, and he'll get paid when it's his turn. Ballard said 'we want to see him healthy and in this new offense,' and he left the door open to doing an extension during the season. They haven't made an offer yet, but the Colts have publicly said that they want to re-sign Taylor. I doubt they've said differently behind closed doors.

 

So Pelissero's report doesn't seem like news. And they haven't negotiated terms either, so unless the Colts kind of balked at JT's asking price, there's no way of knowing what middle ground there would be. 

 

The idea that Taylor thinks the Colts would never offer a long term contract seems debunked to me. Maybe he thinks they won't offer a contract right now, which is what they've said. But he's the one on PUP... 

 

1 minute ago, dw49 said:

The tweet fro Michael makes a whole lot of sense to me.

 

Yeah of course. Especially since you can't be traded while on PUP.

[indyagent17]

Regardless, this is it gonna be bad blood from Taylor. If no one offers him what he wants. He will have to eat crow and finish out his contract. I give it about a 5% chance that he’ll play for the Colts be on next season. The last thing we need in the locker room is drama after the last several years and Shane has come here to change the culture.

[w87r]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jonathan-taylor-trade-rumors-five-potential-proposals-for-disgruntled-colts-running-back/amp/

 

Some reasonable deals in there:

"Bears get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, WR Velus Jones Jr.

 

Cardinals get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, RB James Conner

 

Dolphins get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 second-rounder, RB Raheem Mostert, WR Cedrick Wilson Jr.

 

Eagles get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, RB Rashaad Penny, WR Quez Watkins

 

Panthers get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 conditional second-rounder, RB Miles Sanders"

 

 

 

If those were the options, which one do you choose?

 

I'm going with Carolina.

[csmopar]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jonathan-taylor-trade-rumors-five-potential-proposals-for-disgruntled-colts-running-back/amp/

 

Some reasonable deals in there:

"Bears get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, WR Velus Jones Jr.

 

Cardinals get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, RB James Conner

 

Dolphins get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 second-rounder, RB Raheem Mostert, WR Cedrick Wilson Jr.

 

Eagles get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, RB Rashaad Penny, WR Quez Watkins

 

Panthers get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 conditional second-rounder, RB Miles Sanders"

 

 

 

If those were the options z which one do you choose?

 

I'm going with Carolina.

I don’t like any of them, but I’d go Carolina if I had too as well. 

[w87r]

1 minute ago, csmopar said:

I don’t like any of them, but I’d go Carolina if I had too as well. 

Miles Sanders has already proven to be sufficient in this offense.

[Superman]

3 minutes ago, w87r said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jonathan-taylor-trade-rumors-five-potential-proposals-for-disgruntled-colts-running-back/amp/

 

Some reasonable deals in there:

"Bears get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, WR Velus Jones Jr.

 

Cardinals get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, RB James Conner

 

Dolphins get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 second-rounder, RB Raheem Mostert, WR Cedrick Wilson Jr.

 

Eagles get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, RB Rashaad Penny, WR Quez Watkins

 

Panthers get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 conditional second-rounder, RB Miles Sanders"

 

 

 

If those were the options z which one do you choose?

 

I'm going with Carolina.

 

Bears, but I don't want Velus Jones, I'd want Logan Stenberg or Braxton Jones.

[BlackTiger]

2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

He got married  this past spring. No nothing has come out about his wife wanting a better location

People are speculating for sure, but she may not have even been in indy much or considered it a short term place to live before they married.  

 

Now they are going to be thinking about long term living situations rather than year to year apartments

[richard pallo]

13 minutes ago, w87r said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jonathan-taylor-trade-rumors-five-potential-proposals-for-disgruntled-colts-running-back/amp/

 

Some reasonable deals in there:

"Bears get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, WR Velus Jones Jr.

 

Cardinals get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2024 third-rounder, RB James Conner

 

Dolphins get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 second-rounder, RB Raheem Mostert, WR Cedrick Wilson Jr.

 

Eagles get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, RB Rashaad Penny, WR Quez Watkins

 

Panthers get:

RB Jonathan Taylor

Colts get:

2024 second-round pick, 2025 conditional second-rounder, RB Miles Sanders"

 

 

 

If those were the options, which one do you choose?

 

I'm going with Carolina.

Bears.  I like two picks in the upcoming draft.

[Dingus McGirt]

I've read recently about young folks and the "quiet quitting" trend.  This situation is polar opposite.  

 

[Btown_Colt]

25 minutes ago, #12. said:

After seeing two preseason games, I would find some way to extend him.  To be competitive over the next few years and to help Richardson progress, they need a true weapon of some sort.

I agree we need an elite playmaker…just not sure it needs to be a RB. If it were me, I’d be looking for that player to be a WR. And in the mean time…a true speedster/deep specialists (even if that’s all he is) would be on my short list. 

[w87r]

4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Bears.  I like two picks in the upcoming draft.

Think I would rather have the (2) Cardinals picks in this draft over the Bears(should be higher), Plus rather have Conner over Velus.

 

 

Josh Dobbs might be starting in Arizona.

[w87r]

3 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

I've read recently about young folks and the "quiet quitting" trend.  This situation is polar opposite.  

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

14 minutes ago, BlackTiger said:

People are speculating for sure, but she may not have even been in indy much or considered it a short term place to live before they married.  

 

Now they are going to be thinking about long term living situations rather than year to year apartments

Pretty sure she has lived with him since he was drafted.

[richard pallo]

6 minutes ago, w87r said:

Think I would rather have the (2) Cardinals picks in this draft over the Bears(should be higher), Plus rather have Conner over Velus.

 

 

Josh Dobbs might be starting in Arizona.

Me too.  Missed their 3rd being in 24.  Half asleep.  Lol

[Moosejawcolt]

47 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Miami tried to get Jacobs. LV said he wasn’t available.

Didn't know that thanks.

[Moosejawcolt]

57 minutes ago, csmopar said:

The only leverage he has is to sit out. He can’t stop a trade. 

Well it’s coming from a talking head. Funny thing is, they’re still blaming the colts and Irsay for this. Though this stinks of his agent trying to drive up the price 

I do blame all parties involved. In any dysfunctional relationship, it usually takes two. Like I said previously, Ballard needs to tone his excitement bout players when asked by the media if he wants that player back on a,2nd contract 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

44 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

 

 

So Pelissero's report doesn't seem like news. 

It's not, but Stephen Holder tweeted, to which I replied, said JT thinks he wouldn't get extension from Colts, so it has to be pointed out that Colts did have a plan to extend him, whether the terms would be acceptable for both parties or not. 

[csmopar]

I’m guessing this happens if it happens between 12p and 359p on Tuesday