Colts have 4th pick (Official Discussion Thread)

[JColts72]

1 minute ago, Dobbinblitz said:

Listened to a discussion from Rookie Scouting Portfolio’s Matt Waldman. He did an in depth comparison of Will Levi’s and Anthony Richardson. In short, he thought Levi’s was much more of an NFL project than Richardson. He felt Levi’s is currently over-hyped based on his size and physical traits. He felt Levis’s NFL comparable was Trubisky and Blaine Gabbert. He also thought Richardson sees the field and defensive alignments at a much higher level than Levi’s. Waldman also spoke of Levis’s accuracy issues with wide open receivers. He had Richardson’s comp at Ben Roethlisberger and Steve McNair.  He sees a night and day difference in the NFL projection of these two quarterbacks.

That report is night and day. Levis could be Jamrcus Russell.

20 minutes ago, ChuggaBeer said:

I find it difficult to believe they would be in love with a player this much BEFORE seeing him at the combine 

Absolutely.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Every prospect has flaws. All you can do is evaluate them and their work ethic and the chance of them fixing those flaw. No prospect id perfect and every prospect has a chance to be a bust.  

[Stephen]

23 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:

Listened to a discussion from Rookie Scouting Portfolio’s Matt Waldman. He did an in depth comparison of Will Levi’s and Anthony Richardson. In short, he thought Levi’s was much more of an NFL project than Richardson. He felt Levi’s is currently over-hyped based on his size and physical traits. He felt Levis’s NFL comparable was Trubisky and Blaine Gabbert. He also thought Richardson sees the field and defensive alignments at a much higher level than Levi’s. Waldman also spoke of Levis’s accuracy issues with wide open receivers. He had Richardson’s comp at Ben Roethlisberger and Steve McNair.  He sees a night and day difference in the NFL projection of these two quarterbacks.

I disagree. Richardson is much more of a project

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23 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:

Listened to a discussion from Rookie Scouting Portfolio’s Matt Waldman. He did an in depth comparison of Will Levi’s and Anthony Richardson. In short, he thought Levi’s was much more of an NFL project than Richardson. He felt Levi’s is currently over-hyped based on his size and physical traits. He felt Levis’s NFL comparable was Trubisky and Blaine Gabbert. He also thought Richardson sees the field and defensive alignments at a much higher level than Levi’s. Waldman also spoke of Levis’s accuracy issues with wide open receivers. He had Richardson’s comp at Ben Roethlisberger and Steve McNair.  He sees a night and day difference in the NFL projection of these two quarterbacks.

who is matt waldman what is his back ground ?  is he a nfl scout or a mel kiper type ?    go back and look at his QB rankings in the past and tell me his hit or miss rate .    i dont trust media guys acting like gms    so unless he has a football backround i am not basing my opinion on him

[TimetobringDfence!]

47 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Let's not act like the Niners aren't loaded with talent on sides of the ball.

I agree, but really not to Long ago we looked similar but not quit as far along as them. Our oline regressed more than any oline I've every seen. I think some competition is due there...

[TimetobringDfence!]

If feel like if we get the run game and oline back on track we can bring in a game manager style rookie QB and slowly groom the O around him. We need a LT more than anything.

[New Zealands #1 Colts Fan]

1 hour ago, Moe said:

I find it very difficult to believe that the Colts would leak any information this far away from the draft.

I swear some journalists are using this forum for their "inside information/sources".

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, New Zealands #1 Colts Fan said:

I swear some journalists are using this forum for their "inside information/sources".

It’s just fun speculation.  I don’t think these guys are making stuff up but we all have to remember that it’s lying season. Things get leaked for a certain purpose ect.

[Wage]

I think once the combine rolls around it will be the "big 4" QBs and I expect AR to go in the top 10. I also think he ends up the best QB in this class with Levis 2nd. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dobbinblitz]

45 minutes ago, JColts72 said:

That report is night and day. Levis could be Jamrcus Russell.

Absolutely.

For what it’s worth, Listening to Waldman never got that he was in love with Richardson, but thought he had a brighter NFL future than Levis. He also went on to mention that Many NFL teams are stuck in the past with  an antiquated  evaluation process for the modern NFL. He suggested that Levi’s has some of the same flaws as Tebow, and  Winston. Anyway that was his take.

[danlhart87]

Most likely fake but how would yall feel adding MPJ to trade

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

Most likely fake but how would yall feel adding MPJ to trade

If it got us our QB I am fine.

 

 

[Dobbinblitz]

41 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

who is matt waldman what is his back ground ?  is he a nfl scout or a mel kiper type ?    go back and look at his QB rankings in the past and tell me his hit or miss rate .    i dont trust media guys acting like gms    so unless he has a football backround i am not basing my opinion on him

Hey, just providing a different perspective from a different voice. It beats repeating the same thing over,and over, and over again this forum. He is a Media Guy, who has been producing comprehensive pre-draft reports on only offensive skill positions for the last nine years. Take it for what it is worth - one guy’s perspective among many.

[danlhart87]

19 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

If it got us our QB I am fine.

 

 

I wonder who the other player listed in trade was

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

I wonder who the other player listed in trade was

Maybe Kenny. 
 

Just so everyone knows Kaplan is a respected journalist but he might of got that report from a known twitter troll. It’s almost word for word. I just don’t know if his video came out first and that Twitter troll was just posting his info. I will look into it more.

[AKB]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Maybe Kenny. 
 

Just so everyone knows Kaplan is a respected journalist but he might of got that report from a known twitter troll. It’s almost word for word. I just don’t know if his video came out first and that Twitter troll was just posting his info. I will look into it more.

I think Kenny gets traded

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36 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:

Hey, just providing a different perspective from a different voice. It beats repeating the same thing over,and over, and over again this forum. He is a Media Guy, who has been producing comprehensive pre-draft reports on only offensive skill positions for the last nine years. Take it for what it is worth - one guy’s perspective among many.

if he has good predictions in the past or actually breaks down film and shows why  i would listen .   i just dont like when guys like mike mayock or mel kiper  make horrible predictions every year .

[Dobbinblitz]

1 minute ago, coming on strong said:

if he has good predictions in the past or actually breaks down film and shows why  i would listen .   i just dont like when guys like mike mayock or mel kiper  make horrible predictions every year .

Yes, I get it . There are a lot of these types. I just read awhile back that he has the attention of NFL front offices and he goes into far greater detail than most,

Of course, does not mean he is right either.

[AKB]

2 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:

Yes, I get it . There are a lot of these types. I just read awhile back that he has the attention of NFL front offices and he goes into far greater detail than most,

Of course, does not mean he is right either.

nothing wrong with a different or unpopular opinion. especially on a forum

[danlhart87]

When time wise is the deadline to declare 

[Virtuoso80]

6 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

When time wise is the deadline to declare 

I can't find a specific time but all I'm seeing is Monday Jan 16th.

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, Virtuoso80 said:

I can't find a specific time but all I'm seeing is Monday Jan 16th.

Yes that what I'm seeing but idk if that means 3pm like most football things or 12am

[danlhart87]

Me if Stroud stays

 

 

Me if Stroud declares 

[danlhart87]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3451845/brandin-cooks-is-once-again-begging-to-be-traded-from-the-texans-and-someone-needs-to-come-save-this-sad-story

 

Texans could throw Cooks in a trade up to 1

[csmopar]

10 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

Most likely fake but how would yall feel adding MPJ to trade

No. Don’t trade for number 1. Plus we need WRs…. 

6 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

When time wise is the deadline to declare 

4pm EST

[JColts72]

6 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3451845/brandin-cooks-is-once-again-begging-to-be-traded-from-the-texans-and-someone-needs-to-come-save-this-sad-story

 

Texans could throw Cooks in a trade up to 1

Cooks is lousy.

[Moosejawcolt]

13 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

Most likely fake but how would yall feel adding MPJ to trade

Yuppers

[Moosejawcolt]

9 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

Me if Stroud stays

 

 

Me if Stroud declares 

U ever watch tape on him? He will be a Ohio bust. He stares down his first read and rarely looks of it.

[danlhart87]

Just now, Moosejawcolt said:

U ever watch tape on him? He will be a Ohio bust. He stares down his first read and rarely looks of it.

He's 4th on QBs I want in this draft. It would be terrible if he stayed because the price to trade up for Levis or Young would increase and Bears would want 3 1s etc.

[Moosejawcolt]

13 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

He's 4th on QBs I want in this draft. It would be terrible if he stayed because the price to trade up for Levis or Young would increase and Bears would want 3 1s etc.

What scares me about this draft is this. We have a GM who probably has 2023 to make a lot of noise or he is gone. That reads of desperation and I fear he may use all of our draft capital to move ip unless Irsay is eyeing  2024 to make the jump for a qb. He may in actuality   has given Ballard 2 drafts to right the wrongs.

[danlhart87]

26 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

What scares me about this draft is this. We have a GM who probably has 2023 to make a lot of noise or he is gone. That reads of desperation and I fear he may use all of our draft capital to move ip unless Irsay is eyeing  2024 to make the jump for a qb. He may in actuality   has given Ballard 2 drafts to right the wrongs.

The key about Ballard is he will make an offer for 1 probably something like MPJ Moore 23 1st 2023 3rd and 24 1st.

 

If they want more he will move on and even draft AR15 if others are gone. 

[JColts72]

3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

The key about Ballard is he will make an offer for 1 probably something like MPJ Moore 23 1st 2023 3rd and 24 1st.

 

If they want more he will move on and even draft AR15 if others are gone.

Very difficult to give up all those 1's. Just sit at 4 if CJ turns pro or not. No way see Levis at 1.

[jblastick]

I’m totally against trading next years 1st rounder but if they have to, maybe they can put some protection on it like NBA trades are structured.  So if the pick is in the top 5 than the trade piece moves to 2025 and then it’s top 10 protected.  So forth and so on.  Too much talent in the 24 draft and we could struggle (hopefully not) next year.  

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16 minutes ago, jblastick said:

I’m totally against trading next years 1st rounder but if they have to, maybe they can put some protection on it like NBA trades are structured.  So if the pick is in the top 5 than the trade piece moves to 2025 and then it’s top 10 protected.  So forth and so on.  Too much talent in the 24 draft and we could struggle (hopefully not) next year.  

if stroud declares i think we are fine to stay at 4 .   if he doesnt we might have to trade up

[Fluke_33]

Which of these options would you choose if you had to pick one?

 

I think I’d do the Nelson one

 

https://beargoggleson.com/2023/01/11/chicago-bears-trade-rumors-colts-2023-nfl-draft/amp/3/

 

[Thunderbolt]

Stay put save your capital you’ll still get a blue chipper.

[richard pallo]

14 minutes ago, coming on strong said:

if stroud declares i think we are fine to stay at 4 .   if he doesnt we might have to trade up

Big day today.  I think if Stroud declares we are trading and moving up.  My guess is the deal is pretty much in place.  If he stays that could change everything.  The price will surely go up.  Not sure Ballard will give up a kings ransom.  Then I can see Ballard trading back and still taking a quarterback and signing a FA veteran quarterback like Carr, if released,  or Jimmy G, Brissett, or someone else.  The fan base will be thrilled when we draft one early.  Knowing he won't be ready to start day one will be understandable for most fans.  So signing a veteran to start won't be viewed as going the retread path.  Just the bridge guy until he proves he's ready to take over.  

[Bravo]

2 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

Which of these options would you choose if you had to pick one?

 

I think I’d do the Nelson one

 

https://beargoggleson.com/2023/01/11/chicago-bears-trade-rumors-colts-2023-nfl-draft/amp/3/

 

All of the other ones the Colts would be giving up insane draft capital.

 

I dont think the Colts give up much if they move up. I could see a couple of players but not many high picks.

 

I have no doubt Kenny Moore will be moved especially after his latest interview. Maybe Nelson if someone takes his giant contract but I don’t think Ballard would want to get rid of him after saying it will “always start up front”.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, richard pallo said:

Big day today.  I think if Stroud declares we are trading and moving up.  My guess is the deal is pretty much in place.  If he stays that could change everything.  The price will surely go up.  Not sure Ballard will give up a kings ransom.  Then I can see Ballard trading back and still taking a quarterback and signing a FA veteran quarterback like Carr, if released,  or Jimmy G, Brissett, or someone else.  The fan base will be thrilled when we draft one early.  Knowing he won't be ready to start day one will be understandable for most fans.  So signing a veteran to start won't be viewed as going the retread path.  Just the bridge guy until he proves he's ready to take over.  

The deadline is tomorrow 

[richard pallo]

7 minutes ago, Fluke_33 said:

Which of these options would you choose if you had to pick one?

 

I think I’d do the Nelson one

 

https://beargoggleson.com/2023/01/11/chicago-bears-trade-rumors-colts-2023-nfl-draft/amp/3/

 

Agree.  The Nelson option.