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NFL Free agency...

 

Addressing the Left Tackle issue.

 

First of all, I don't think we are in nearly as bad shape at LT as some others believe we are. I like Will Holden. Davenport and Tevi are upgrades over the likes of Clark and Green (They were terrible). Holden might end up being a backup or he might end up starting on Day 1. Look at what Jared Veldheer was able to do... We have a good line. If we do not address LT in the draft with someone who is ready to start on Day 1 then it is not the end of the world. 

 

I believe there will be a lot of good talent still available after the draft is over to fill needs that are not addressed in the draft. We will probably see some 1 or 2 year deal for players like Alejandro Villanueva, Eric Fisher, or so on... It would not be a terrible move if a player like Villanueva started at LT for the Colts on Day 1. I would offer Fisher a deal that would basically be for the future. He is not likely to play much, if at all in 2021, but we could give him a very low priced 1-year deal to have him in the building. Then give him another deal in 2022 if it's the right fit. Fisher is only 30 years old, and that dude can play! There is a chance that Fisher may not get offered a contract from any team before the season starts. What would be the harm in him taking a 1-year deal for 2 million or so with the Colts? Then reevaluate in 2022. It would make sense to me. 

 

Addressing the Defensive End issue.

 

Turay started to show some promise at the end of the year. He played dinged up most of last year, and recently had another surgery that is going much better this time. Isaac Rochell has played well when given the opportunity. Banagu needs to take the next step... I believe that Rochell is an upgrade over Banagu. Muhammad is a role player, at best. I would seriously entertain the idea of playing Tyquan Lewis more on the edge this year. 

 

We need help at DE. Whether it be through free agency after the draft and/or in the draft. If the season started today then we would be better off at LT than we are at DE. I think that makes DE our biggest need. But the kicker is... there is a lot more depth in this draft at OT than DE. 

 

NFL Draft...

 

This strange year that we have all lived through has brought some good and bad to light. I am used to "The Draft Media" missing BIG on players... I often find myself shaking my head at some of their evaluations. I think they get information from scouts (sometimes accurate and sometimes purposely misleading), and they run with is like gospel. I don't think many of them do much evaluating on their own. I think for most of them, their research is 90% figuring out information that other people have (treating good or bad as accurate).  This year, I think some of these draft pundits are going to be extremely exposed as frauds and I will be honest, it is going to touch my soul a little. 

 

Last year when I talked to anyone about the NFL Draft, I told them the best 2 players in the draft were Justin Herbert and Justin Jefferson. Not one person in the media agreed with me. 2 years ago, I also told a lot of people (including some friends who I ate lunch with yesterday) that Jalen Hurts would be a better Pro than Tua. Yesterday, they reminded me that I made that comment to them. I could go on and on... But anyway... 

 

First off... Azeez Ojulari, has been my top Edge Rusher in this draft for months... I can't even fathom how anyone would think otherwise. It is not even close. He is 1A and the next players (grouped together) are at best 2C. Over the past few months, I have seen him mocked in the second and third rounds! That is just unbelievable! 

 

Kwity Paye, Jaysen Oweh, and Jason Phillips.... Are you kidding me? They are not in Ojulari's class. I actually really like Jason Phillips' traits, but his injury history (including concussions) is troubling... If it were not for his chronic injury history then I'd rate him a 1B prospect. He would be right below Ojulari on my board of edge rushers. I have gone back and forth on whether I would take Phillips at #21... I mean the talent is more than worthy, but he has had way too many injuries, so even as much as I want to, I couldn't pull the trigger on him in the first round. It is too big of a risk. Paye and Oweh... They don't even belong in the conversation. Especially, not for our defense. 

 

Sorry for the rant. I've been holding some of that in for a while.

 

I never thought Ojulari would make it to us, and I never thought we would move up to get him. However now, I have a gut feeling that we could move up and get him. I know I would move up to get him in a heartbeat. I would gladly trade up to #11 and give our second (#54) to boot. I bet the Giants would take that deal too. But I would not make that trade until I see Ojulari sitting there at #11 with the Giants on the clock. 

 

I know a lot of people want to see the highlights, so here is one below. I am a fan of watching entire game films of a particular player, not just the statistical production... But I get how that might be boring to some folks...

 

 

In the event that we are not able to land Ojulari, there should be a lot of good prospects available at #21. Out of the OT's who could be available to us... I like Darrisaw and Little. I think we could move back in the first round or up in the second round to get Little. I think Walker Little is the real deal. If I am standing on the table in the late first or early second for any of the OT's that should be there, it is Little. 

 

By the way, if you haven't had a chance to enter Dr T's annual draft contest, then please do... Some years I forget to enter, so maybe this will be a reminder for everyone. 

 

 

On to Day 3, there are a few players I would target... But then again, I think these draft experts have this thing so messed up that a couple of them won't be there as expected. For example; how in the world is Tommy Tremble a mid-round pick? Are you serious? I am not even a huge Notre Dame fan, and I can see that this guy has some serious talent. He will probably be off the board in the second round. But if he falls to Day 3, then we need to move up and get him. I would!

 

Everyone seems to be in LOVE with Jaysen Oweh... WHY? His counterpart is a much better player. Shaka Toney is a bit undersized, but I would take him on Day 3 long before I would ever consider taking Oweh on Day 1. What are these people thinking? Plus, Shaka fits what we do... I would definitely be targeting Shaka Toney on Day 3 (if he is even there)!

 

If these draft experts are even close to being right on what some of these NFL Draft Boards look like then there would be some excellent talent on Day 3. Tylan Wallace, Amari Rodgers, Paulson Adebo (yep, I've seen him that low on some boards), Brady Christensen, Spencer Brown, Tutu Atwell, Malcolm Koonce, Alaric Jackson, and so on. 

 

By the way, if I wasn't such a big fan of Eason then I would seriously start looking at Davis Mills. There is something about him... I have a gut feeling... If he falls to Day 3, and some of my top targets are gone, then I would be tempted to pull the trigger... 

 

Overall, if I were the GM then I would feel pretty good about this team. There is some real talent here, and we are going to be a force for a long time. 

 

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1 hour ago, danlhart87 said:

Trading up for Ojulari a 34 OLB wouldn't be very smart 


That’s incredibly inaccurate. More proof to me that these draft experts have it all messed up this year, and they’re misleading a lot of people. Could Ojulari play in a 3-4? Absolutely! Another reason he will be taken early. He’d go earlier if we didn’t possibly have 4-5 quarterbacks and 2 receivers going in the first 10 picks. Ojulari fits every scheme, and has Robert Mathis traits. 

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1 hour ago, danlhart87 said:

Trading up for Ojulari a 34 OLB wouldn't be very smart 

 

Can you tell us what it is about Ojulari's game that tells you he wouldn't work as a 43 DE? 

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Just now, BlueShoe said:


That’s incredibly inaccurate. More proof to me that these draft experts have it all messed up this year, and they’re misleading a lot of people. Could Ojulari play in a 3-4? Absolutely! Another reason he will be taken early. He’d go earlier if we didn’t possibly have 4-5 quarterbacks and 2 receivers going in the first 10 picks. Ojulari fits every scheme, and has Robert Mathis traits. 

His best trait is his long arms. I know Ballard loves long arms and he is definitely a 34 guy. He has potential in 43 but would have to be LB. 

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5 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

His best trait is his long arms. I know Ballard loves long arms and he is definitely a 34 guy. He has potential in 43 but would have to be LB. 

 

I absolutely disagree. I’m not concerned about his weight at DE. He’ll pack on enough weight with an NFL training program. Why would anyone move a speed rusher to off ball linebacker? Only if he couldn’t rush. Ojulari gets home so he is either a 9 technique DE in the 4-3 or rush linebacker in the 3-4. He fits every scheme. 

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1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

i win square peg in a round hole GIF

 

This conservation has me like this 


You could try coloring in the lines with crayons too. I doubt it will help you though, because you’re stuck on philosophy that doesn’t make sense. 

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6 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

I would love to somehow land Ojulari in rd 1 and Little in rd 2


That is my dream draft. Throw in Tremble in the 4th and I’d be higher than a kite. 

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At 6-2, he simply isn't going to "easily" pack on weight. He's already broad and thick. Not saying he's maxed out his weight, but it's not like he'll easily be able to add another 20lbs. And more weight will likely impact his speed.

 

Also, let's not forget that a 4-3 DE is responsible for setting the edge. At that size, he'll struggle. Ojulari's pass rush vs quality tackles was also pretty meh at times. 

 

Folks that want to jump in their hot tub time machines and compare Mathis to Ojulari....  First of all, don't forget Mathis was purely a situational pass rush specialist his first 3-4 years. He was also a 5th round pick from a small school. He wasn't drafted thinking he'd come in and be the stud he turned out to be. He was a late round prayer. He's a unicorn of such, and there are not many like him.

 

And lastly, I don't think I've seen one draft report from a decent writer or talking head that has him as a 4-3 DE. 

 

 

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Robert Mathis is what you call an exception to the rule and a true draft gem.  No one expected him to be what he became including the Colts.  In fact they fought playing him outside of third down early in his career because of how much they liked Brock and how good he was at special teams.  It’s also why he slipped to the fifth round where you can take that kind of risk on on a guy.  You don’t draft a guy like that in the first round unless you KNOW they can make that move and saying well Mathis did it doesn’t cut it.  

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11 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

At 6-2, he simply isn't going to "easily" pack on weight. He's already broad and thick. Not saying he's maxed out his weight, but it's not like he'll easily be able to add another 20lbs. And more weight will likely impact his speed.

 

Also, let's not forget that a 4-3 DE is responsible for setting the edge. At that size, he'll struggle. Ojulari's pass rush vs quality tackles was also pretty meh at times. 

 

Folks that want to jump in their hot tub time machines and compare Mathis to Ojulari....  First of all, don't forget Mathis was purely a situational pass rush specialist his first 3-4 years. He was also a 5th round pick from a small school. He wasn't drafted thinking he'd come in and be the stud he turned out to be. He was a late round prayer. He's a unicorn of such, and there are not many like him.

 

And lastly, I don't think I've seen one draft report from a decent writer or talking head that has him as a 4-3 DE. 

 

 


Why would Ojulari need to add another 20 pounds? He’d be just fine at 245-255. 
 

Ojulari played in a 4-3 in college, against top tier talent (SEC), and he set the edge just fine. I am not worried one bit about his size. 
 

Don’t trust these talking heads and decent writers, especially this year. I strongly believe that this draft is not going down like a lot of people think. About the only thing they’re getting right is a lot of quarterbacks are going early. 
 

For example; most mock drafts have DeVonta Smith falling out of the top 10.... That dude is Marvin Harrison reincarnated. 

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2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:


Why would Ojulari need to add another 20 pounds? He’d be just fine at 245-255. 
 

Ojulari played in a 4-3 in college, against top tier talent (SEC), and he set the edge just fine. I am not worried one bit about his size. 
 

Don’t trust these talking heads and decent writers, especially this year. I strongly believe that this draft is not going down like a lot of people think. About the only thing they’re getting right is a lot of quarterbacks are going early. 
 

For example; most mock drafts have DeVonta Smith falling out of the top 10.... That dude is Marvin Harrison reincarnated. 

I would kill to have Smith fall to 21 hes definitely the next Marvin 

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8 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

I would kill to have Smith fall to 21 hes definitely the next Marvin 


Yeah man. In my opinion, DeVonta is easily the best receiver in this draft. I’m not knocking Chase, because I think he will be a very good receiver in the NFL. However, DeVonta has game changing qualities. 

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49 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:


Why would Ojulari need to add another 20 pounds? He’d be just fine at 245-255. 
 

Ojulari played in a 4-3 in college, against top tier talent (SEC), and he set the edge just fine. I am not worried one bit about his size. 
 

Don’t trust these talking heads and decent writers, especially this year. I strongly believe that this draft is not going down like a lot of people think. About the only thing they’re getting right is a lot of quarterbacks are going early. 
 

For example; most mock drafts have DeVonta Smith falling out of the top 10.... That dude is Marvin Harrison reincarnated. 

 

Incorrect. UGA plays a 3-4. Ojulari played the Jack LB spot (OLB).

 

Not sure how many UGA games you watched, but I live in GA, and watched most of them given most of my buddies are UGA fans.

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49 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Robert Mathis is what you call an exception to the rule and a true draft gem.  No one expected him to be what he became including the Colts.  In fact they fought playing him outside of third down early in his career because of how much they liked Brock and how good he was at special teams.  It’s also why he slipped to the fifth round where you can take that kind of risk on on a guy.  You don’t draft a guy like that in the first round unless you KNOW they can make that move and saying well Mathis did it doesn’t cut it.  


I wouldn’t call Robert Mathis an exception to the rule. Von Miller (first few years in Denver) and Demarcus Lawrence come to mind... And that’s just off the top of my head. There are more 250ish pound 4-3 defensive ends playing than people think. 

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2 hours ago, BlueShoe said:


That’s incredibly inaccurate. More proof to me that these draft experts have it all messed up this year, and they’re misleading a lot of people. Could Ojulari play in a 3-4? Absolutely! Another reason he will be taken early. He’d go earlier if we didn’t possibly have 4-5 quarterbacks and 2 receivers going in the first 10 picks. Ojulari fits every scheme, and has Robert Mathis traits. 


You’re not the only person that made this comparison to Mathis, I did the same about a few weeks ago :), I wasn’t way off base after all. Also check my mention of Shaka Toney, @BlueShoe our eyes don’t lie.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Incorrect. UGA plays a 3-4. Ojulari played the Jack LB spot (OLB).

 

Not sure how many UGA games you watched, but I live in GA, and watched most of them given most of my buddies are UGA fans.


I have watched several Georgia games. 
 

Let me clarify. UGA does not exclusively play a 3-4. I have seen them line up in a 4-3 front many times and Ojulari performed well. I’ve also gone back and watched a lot of his game film. 

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8 minutes ago, chad72 said:


You’re not the only person that made this comparison to Mathis, I did the same about a few weeks ago :), I wasn’t way off base after all. Also check my mention of Shaka Toney, @BlueShoe our eyes don’t lie.

 

 


You are correct, Sir! The eyes do not lie. :) 

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18 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:


I wouldn’t call Robert Mathis an exception to the rule. Von Miller (first few years in Denver) and Demarcus Lawrence come to mind... And that’s just off the top of my head. There are more 250ish pound 4-3 defensive ends playing than people think. 

Mathis is an exception, and so is Miller. And if you're familiar with the Broncos in those days, you know they had like 7 DCs in 7 years. Even when they got Del Rio for a few years, they lined Miller up all over the place. Both sides, middle, etc.. He was certainly never a prototypical DE. 

 

In short, you're now using two exceptions, one which is clearly known more as an OLB than DE, to make your case.

 

And nobody is saying it's impossible for Ojulari to be a DE, it's just that he's not prototypical, and 3-4s will likely like him more. Given our very conservative 4-3 scheme, expecting a Mathis or Miller type of performance from what is a very different scheme is not realistic.

 

7 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:


I have watched several Georgia games. 
 

Let me clarify. UGA does not exclusively play a 3-4. I have seen them line up in a 4-3 front many times and Ojulari performed well. I’ve also gone back and watched a lot of his game film. 

 

LOL. Come on man. Every 3-4 lines up 4-3 at times with an OLB on the outside. But UGA is a 3-4. Smart runs what he calls "Mint". He's got a typical 3-4 base, 4 man fronts, "fire" with 5, and even 6 man which I think he calls "eyes". Ojulari plays the Jack which is a hybrid DE/LB role. Typically it's (JACK) run with big LBs or small DEs (how they are recruited). It's not a whole lot different from other 3-4s built to be multiple and combat the spread. The Jack is a rush specialist who will also have pass coverage responsibility (similar to what is called a Vyper)

 

One of my buddies is a total Smart nerd (like I'm a ND homer), so I hear it all. I'd say at this point (ND has a new DC and new scheme), I know more about UGA than ND's D.

 

Before the covid days, I typically go to a few games between the hedges each year. And if I'm not there, and ND isn't playing, I'm watching UGA with buds.

 

And I've watched all of Ojulari's highlights. Watching highlights is just that. Highlights. It doesn't show when he's looking meh. Recommend watching his film vs Bama, against a good, not great, OT, Alex Leatherwood. 

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51 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Mathis is an exception, and so is Miller. And if you're familiar with the Broncos in those days, you know they had like 7 DCs in 7 years. Even when they got Del Rio for a few years, they lined Miller up all over the place. Both sides, middle, etc.. He was certainly never a prototypical DE. 

 

In short, you're now using two exceptions, one which is clearly known more as an OLB than DE, to make your case.

 

And nobody is saying it's impossible for Ojulari to be a DE, it's just that he's not prototypical, and 3-4s will likely like him more. Given our very conservative 4-3 scheme, expecting a Mathis or Miller type of performance from what is a very different scheme is not realistic.

 

 

LOL. Come on man. Every 3-4 lines up 4-3 at times with an OLB on the outside. But UGA is a 3-4. Smart runs what he calls "Mint". He's got a typical 3-4 base, 4 man fronts, "fire" with 5, and even 6 man which I think he calls "eyes". Ojulari plays the Jack which is a hybrid DE/LB role. Typically it's (JACK) run with big LBs or small DEs (how they are recruited). It's not a whole lot different from other 3-4s built to be multiple and combat the spread. The Jack is a rush specialist who will also have pass coverage responsibility (similar to what is called a Vyper)

 

One of my buddies is a total Smart nerd (like I'm a ND homer), so I hear it all. I'd say at this point (ND has a new DC and new scheme), I know more about UGA than ND's D.

 

Before the covid days, I typically go to a few games between the hedges each year. And if I'm not there, and ND isn't playing, I'm watching UGA with buds.

 

And I've watched all of Ojulari's highlights. Watching highlights is just that. Highlights. It doesn't show when he's looking meh. Recommend watching his film vs Bama, against a good, not great, OT, Alex Leatherwood. 

And the other exception had his career year as a 3-4 linebacker.  
 

With that said it all comes down to does Ballard think he can make the move to end.  Not that Mathis did it or Von Miller is just a freak who can play all over the place.  If Ballard thinks he can make the move and he’s there Ballard might very well look at him. If he doesn’t feel he can make the move I would agree with you that Ballard would probably pass on him.

 

I still think Ballard is more likely to trade back or draft an OT at 21 but wouldn’t be shocked at all if he takes some kind of pass rusher at 21.

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2 hours ago, danlhart87 said:

I would kill to have Smith fall to 21 hes definitely the next Marvin 

I really doubt he lasts to 21 even if he does fall.  While I agree end  and tackle are bigger needs if somehow Smith slipped to 21 I would hope Ballard ran the draft card to the podium to take Smith and figure out the tackle and end spots in another way.  

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44 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

And the other exception had his career year as a 3-4 linebacker.  
 

With that said it all comes down to does Ballard think he can make the move to end.  Not that Mathis did it or Von Miller is just a freak who can play all over the place.  If Ballard thinks he can make the move and he’s there Ballard might very well look at him. If he doesn’t feel he can make the move I would agree with you that Ballard would probably pass on him.

 

I still think Ballard is more likely to trade back or draft an OT at 21 but wouldn’t be shocked at all if he takes some kind of pass rusher at 21.

 

If Ojulari was just a tad bit taller, I'd be more open to him at 4-3 DE as I think it would allow him to add some weight (easier than to his 6-2 frame). And I think he'd be fine if all you want is a 4-3 pass rush specialist. I'm just not going to use a 1st round pick on a guy I don't see as a 3 down DE. Now if we ran a 3-4, a less conservative 4-3, or a more exotic hybrid (like LAC), I'd be very open to him. And drafting him thinking he'll be a unicorn like Miller or Mathis is pretty presumptive lol. 

 

I don't doubt Ballard is looking for a trade back multiplier. Just not sure he'll get the value he wants this year with only a 21st. All you have to do though is find one desperate team lol... Hope he does. 

 

Overall, if he does take a DE early, I want it to be a guy who's prototypical, not a dice roll "he might fit" type of situation. I'm still less than happy with Banogu, who I thought was a reach from a funky and exotic scheme (4-2-5) that relies very little on technique. Still hoping he can emerge, but his rook contract thus far has been a bust and we haven't realized any production. 

 

Given the assets already tied up in the OL, and many other reasons, I just don't know if a first round LT is in our cards. Won't be shocked if we do take one in the first, just don't think it's a great plan when we will already have 3 guys who will end up getting top 3 pay at their positions.

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, EastStreet said:

 

Incorrect. UGA plays a 3-4. Ojulari played the Jack LB spot (OLB).

 

Not sure how many UGA games you watched, but I live in GA, and watched most of them given most of my buddies are UGA fans.

I was thinking that. I know the coach is UGA alum but he came from Bama and I know they usually roll with a 3-4.

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9 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

NFL Free agency...

 

Addressing the Left Tackle issue.

 

First of all, I don't think we are in nearly as bad shape at LT as some others believe we are. I like Will Holden. Davenport and Tevi are upgrades over the likes of Clark and Green (They were terrible). Holden might end up being a backup or he might end up starting on Day 1. Look at what Jared Veldheer was able to do... We have a good line. If we do not address LT in the draft with someone who is ready to start on Day 1 then it is not the end of the world. 

 

I believe there will be a lot of good talent still available after the draft is over to fill needs that are not addressed in the draft. We will probably see some 1 or 2 year deal for players like Alejandro Villanueva, Eric Fisher, or so on... It would not be a terrible move if a player like Villanueva started at LT for the Colts on Day 1. I would offer Fisher a deal that would basically be for the future. He is not likely to play much, if at all in 2021, but we could give him a very low priced 1-year deal to have him in the building. Then give him another deal in 2022 if it's the right fit. Fisher is only 30 years old, and that dude can play! There is a chance that Fisher may not get offered a contract from any team before the season starts. What would be the harm in him taking a 1-year deal for 2 million or so with the Colts? Then reevaluate in 2022. It would make sense to me. 

 

Addressing the Defensive End issue.

 

Turay started to show some promise at the end of the year. He played dinged up most of last year, and recently had another surgery that is going much better this time. Isaac Rochell has played well when given the opportunity. Banagu needs to take the next step... I believe that Rochell is an upgrade over Banagu. Muhammad is a role player, at best. I would seriously entertain the idea of playing Tyquan Lewis more on the edge this year. 

 

We need help at DE. Whether it be through free agency after the draft and/or in the draft. If the season started today then we would be better off at LT than we are at DE. I think that makes DE our biggest need. But the kicker is... there is a lot more depth in this draft at OT than DE. 

 

NFL Draft...

 

This strange year that we have all lived through has brought some good and bad to light. I am used to "The Draft Media" missing BIG on players... I often find myself shaking my head at some of their evaluations. I think they get information from scouts (sometimes accurate and sometimes purposely misleading), and they run with is like gospel. I don't think many of them do much evaluating on their own. I think for most of them, their research is 90% figuring out information that other people have (treating good or bad as accurate).  This year, I think some of these draft pundits are going to be extremely exposed as frauds and I will be honest, it is going to touch my soul a little. 

 

Last year when I talked to anyone about the NFL Draft, I told them the best 2 players in the draft were Justin Herbert and Justin Jefferson. Not one person in the media agreed with me. 2 years ago, I also told a lot of people (including some friends who I ate lunch with yesterday) that Jalen Hurts would be a better Pro than Tua. Yesterday, they reminded me that I made that comment to them. I could go on and on... But anyway... 

 

First off... Azeez Ojulari, has been my top Edge Rusher in this draft for months... I can't even fathom how anyone would think otherwise. It is not even close. He is 1A and the next players (grouped together) are at best 2C. Over the past few months, I have seen him mocked in the second and third rounds! That is just unbelievable! 

 

Kwity Paye, Jaysen Oweh, and Jason Phillips.... Are you kidding me? They are not in Ojulari's class. I actually really like Jason Phillips' traits, but his injury history (including concussions) is troubling... If it were not for his chronic injury history then I'd rate him a 1B prospect. He would be right below Ojulari on my board of edge rushers. I have gone back and forth on whether I would take Phillips at #21... I mean the talent is more than worthy, but he has had way too many injuries, so even as much as I want to, I couldn't pull the trigger on him in the first round. It is too big of a risk. Paye and Oweh... They don't even belong in the conversation. Especially, not for our defense. 

 

Sorry for the rant. I've been holding some of that in for a while.

 

I never thought Ojulari would make it to us, and I never thought we would move up to get him. However now, I have a gut feeling that we could move up and get him. I know I would move up to get him in a heartbeat. I would gladly trade up to #11 and give our second (#54) to boot. I bet the Giants would take that deal too. But I would not make that trade until I see Ojulari sitting there at #11 with the Giants on the clock. 

 

I know a lot of people want to see the highlights, so here is one below. I am a fan of watching entire game films of a particular player, not just the statistical production... But I get how that might be boring to some folks...

 

 

In the event that we are not able to land Ojulari, there should be a lot of good prospects available at #21. Out of the OT's who could be available to us... I like Darrisaw and Little. I think we could move back in the first round or up in the second round to get Little. I think Walker Little is the real deal. If I am standing on the table in the late first or early second for any of the OT's that should be there, it is Little. 

 

By the way, if you haven't had a chance to enter Dr T's annual draft contest, then please do... Some years I forget to enter, so maybe this will be a reminder for everyone. 

 

 

On to Day 3, there are a few players I would target... But then again, I think these draft experts have this thing so messed up that a couple of them won't be there as expected. For example; how in the world is Tommy Tremble a mid-round pick? Are you serious? I am not even a huge Notre Dame fan, and I can see that this guy has some serious talent. He will probably be off the board in the second round. But if he falls to Day 3, then we need to move up and get him. I would!

 

Everyone seems to be in LOVE with Jaysen Oweh... WHY? His counterpart is a much better player. Shaka Toney is a bit undersized, but I would take him on Day 3 long before I would ever consider taking Oweh on Day 1. What are these people thinking? Plus, Shaka fits what we do... I would definitely be targeting Shaka Toney on Day 3 (if he is even there)!

 

If these draft experts are even close to being right on what some of these NFL Draft Boards look like then there would be some excellent talent on Day 3. Tylan Wallace, Amari Rodgers, Paulson Adebo (yep, I've seen him that low on some boards), Brady Christensen, Spencer Brown, Tutu Atwell, Malcolm Koonce, Alaric Jackson, and so on. 

 

By the way, if I wasn't such a big fan of Eason then I would seriously start looking at Davis Mills. There is something about him... I have a gut feeling... If he falls to Day 3, and some of my top targets are gone, then I would be tempted to pull the trigger... 

 

Overall, if I were the GM then I would feel pretty good about this team. There is some real talent here, and we are going to be a force for a long time. 

 

I might be in the minority but I think Malcolm koonce has a similar game to Ojulari. They are both about the same size give or take about 10 pounds. I think koonce is really quick off the edge. Same situation with the projected 3-4 fit also. I still like him a lot though. His game reminds me of Justin Houston.

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4 hours ago, BlueShoe said:


I have watched several Georgia games. 
 

Let me clarify. UGA does not exclusively play a 3-4. I have seen them line up in a 4-3 front many times and Ojulari performed well. I’ve also gone back and watched a lot of his game film. 

I personally love Ojulari in a 3-4 and hate him in a 4-3. That's why I don't want him on the Colts, despite his talent. I'm open to change though. Convince me otherwise. Show me his stats in Georgia in the 3-4 and comparatively, his stats in a 4-3 so I can see the difference. Be sure to show the amount of snaps he played in each one as well.

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14 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

NFL Free agency...

 

Addressing the Left Tackle issue.

 

First of all, I don't think we are in nearly as bad shape at LT as some others believe we are. I like Will Holden. Davenport and Tevi are upgrades over the likes of Clark and Green (They were terrible). Holden might end up being a backup or he might end up starting on Day 1. Look at what Jared Veldheer was able to do... We have a good line. If we do not address LT in the draft with someone who is ready to start on Day 1 then it is not the end of the world. 

 

I believe there will be a lot of good talent still available after the draft is over to fill needs that are not addressed in the draft. We will probably see some 1 or 2 year deal for players like Alejandro Villanueva, Eric Fisher, or so on... It would not be a terrible move if a player like Villanueva started at LT for the Colts on Day 1. I would offer Fisher a deal that would basically be for the future. He is not likely to play much, if at all in 2021, but we could give him a very low priced 1-year deal to have him in the building. Then give him another deal in 2022 if it's the right fit. Fisher is only 30 years old, and that dude can play! There is a chance that Fisher may not get offered a contract from any team before the season starts. What would be the harm in him taking a 1-year deal for 2 million or so with the Colts? Then reevaluate in 2022. It would make sense to me. 

 

Addressing the Defensive End issue.

 

Turay started to show some promise at the end of the year. He played dinged up most of last year, and recently had another surgery that is going much better this time. Isaac Rochell has played well when given the opportunity. Banagu needs to take the next step... I believe that Rochell is an upgrade over Banagu. Muhammad is a role player, at best. I would seriously entertain the idea of playing Tyquan Lewis more on the edge this year. 

 

We need help at DE. Whether it be through free agency after the draft and/or in the draft. If the season started today then we would be better off at LT than we are at DE. I think that makes DE our biggest need. But the kicker is... there is a lot more depth in this draft at OT than DE. 

 

NFL Draft...

 

This strange year that we have all lived through has brought some good and bad to light. I am used to "The Draft Media" missing BIG on players... I often find myself shaking my head at some of their evaluations. I think they get information from scouts (sometimes accurate and sometimes purposely misleading), and they run with is like gospel. I don't think many of them do much evaluating on their own. I think for most of them, their research is 90% figuring out information that other people have (treating good or bad as accurate).  This year, I think some of these draft pundits are going to be extremely exposed as frauds and I will be honest, it is going to touch my soul a little. 

 

Last year when I talked to anyone about the NFL Draft, I told them the best 2 players in the draft were Justin Herbert and Justin Jefferson. Not one person in the media agreed with me. 2 years ago, I also told a lot of people (including some friends who I ate lunch with yesterday) that Jalen Hurts would be a better Pro than Tua. Yesterday, they reminded me that I made that comment to them. I could go on and on... But anyway... 

 

First off... Azeez Ojulari, has been my top Edge Rusher in this draft for months... I can't even fathom how anyone would think otherwise. It is not even close. He is 1A and the next players (grouped together) are at best 2C. Over the past few months, I have seen him mocked in the second and third rounds! That is just unbelievable! 

 

Kwity Paye, Jaysen Oweh, and Jason Phillips.... Are you kidding me? They are not in Ojulari's class. I actually really like Jason Phillips' traits, but his injury history (including concussions) is troubling... If it were not for his chronic injury history then I'd rate him a 1B prospect. He would be right below Ojulari on my board of edge rushers. I have gone back and forth on whether I would take Phillips at #21... I mean the talent is more than worthy, but he has had way too many injuries, so even as much as I want to, I couldn't pull the trigger on him in the first round. It is too big of a risk. Paye and Oweh... They don't even belong in the conversation. Especially, not for our defense. 

 

Sorry for the rant. I've been holding some of that in for a while.

 

I never thought Ojulari would make it to us, and I never thought we would move up to get him. However now, I have a gut feeling that we could move up and get him. I know I would move up to get him in a heartbeat. I would gladly trade up to #11 and give our second (#54) to boot. I bet the Giants would take that deal too. But I would not make that trade until I see Ojulari sitting there at #11 with the Giants on the clock. 

 

I know a lot of people want to see the highlights, so here is one below. I am a fan of watching entire game films of a particular player, not just the statistical production... But I get how that might be boring to some folks...

 

 

In the event that we are not able to land Ojulari, there should be a lot of good prospects available at #21. Out of the OT's who could be available to us... I like Darrisaw and Little. I think we could move back in the first round or up in the second round to get Little. I think Walker Little is the real deal. If I am standing on the table in the late first or early second for any of the OT's that should be there, it is Little. 

 

By the way, if you haven't had a chance to enter Dr T's annual draft contest, then please do... Some years I forget to enter, so maybe this will be a reminder for everyone. 

 

 

On to Day 3, there are a few players I would target... But then again, I think these draft experts have this thing so messed up that a couple of them won't be there as expected. For example; how in the world is Tommy Tremble a mid-round pick? Are you serious? I am not even a huge Notre Dame fan, and I can see that this guy has some serious talent. He will probably be off the board in the second round. But if he falls to Day 3, then we need to move up and get him. I would!

 

Everyone seems to be in LOVE with Jaysen Oweh... WHY? His counterpart is a much better player. Shaka Toney is a bit undersized, but I would take him on Day 3 long before I would ever consider taking Oweh on Day 1. What are these people thinking? Plus, Shaka fits what we do... I would definitely be targeting Shaka Toney on Day 3 (if he is even there)!

 

If these draft experts are even close to being right on what some of these NFL Draft Boards look like then there would be some excellent talent on Day 3. Tylan Wallace, Amari Rodgers, Paulson Adebo (yep, I've seen him that low on some boards), Brady Christensen, Spencer Brown, Tutu Atwell, Malcolm Koonce, Alaric Jackson, and so on. 

 

By the way, if I wasn't such a big fan of Eason then I would seriously start looking at Davis Mills. There is something about him... I have a gut feeling... If he falls to Day 3, and some of my top targets are gone, then I would be tempted to pull the trigger... 

 

Overall, if I were the GM then I would feel pretty good about this team. There is some real talent here, and we are going to be a force for a long time. 

 


I shall call this post - Blue Shoe’s Ode to Blue Shoe. 

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9 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Mathis is an exception, and so is Miller. And if you're familiar with the Broncos in those days, you know they had like 7 DCs in 7 years. Even when they got Del Rio for a few years, they lined Miller up all over the place. Both sides, middle, etc.. He was certainly never a prototypical DE. 

 

In short, you're now using two exceptions, one which is clearly known more as an OLB than DE, to make your case.

 

And nobody is saying it's impossible for Ojulari to be a DE, it's just that he's not prototypical, and 3-4s will likely like him more. Given our very conservative 4-3 scheme, expecting a Mathis or Miller type of performance from what is a very different scheme is not realistic.

 

 

LOL. Come on man. Every 3-4 lines up 4-3 at times with an OLB on the outside. But UGA is a 3-4. Smart runs what he calls "Mint". He's got a typical 3-4 base, 4 man fronts, "fire" with 5, and even 6 man which I think he calls "eyes". Ojulari plays the Jack which is a hybrid DE/LB role. Typically it's (JACK) run with big LBs or small DEs (how they are recruited). It's not a whole lot different from other 3-4s built to be multiple and combat the spread. The Jack is a rush specialist who will also have pass coverage responsibility (similar to what is called a Vyper)

 

One of my buddies is a total Smart nerd (like I'm a ND homer), so I hear it all. I'd say at this point (ND has a new DC and new scheme), I know more about UGA than ND's D.

 

Before the covid days, I typically go to a few games between the hedges each year. And if I'm not there, and ND isn't playing, I'm watching UGA with buds.

 

And I've watched all of Ojulari's highlights. Watching highlights is just that. Highlights. It doesn't show when he's looking meh. Recommend watching his film vs Bama, against a good, not great, OT, Alex Leatherwood. 


Von Miller had a lot of sacks out of a 4-3 front his first few years in Denver. No one even questioned if he could play with his hand in the dirt. 
 

I don’t watch highlight tapes. I watch the entire game on players. I posted the highlight for those who might not like watching full games. I even said so when I posted it. 
 

Ojulari made a lot of nice plays in a 4-3 front, with his hand in the dirt. I am not worried one bit about his weight. He can bend, and he gets off the ball extremely quick. He has great hand-fighting ability. Some of what he has can he taught, some of it cannot be taught. 
 

He will probably play anywhere from 250-260 in the NFL. Again, I am not worried about his weight. I see traits that equate to him excelling from a 9 technique in a 4-3. 
 

Everyone has a right to their opinion. If anyone thinks that Ojulari is only a 3-4 Outside Linebacker, then I am probably not convincing them otherwise. 

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7 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I personally love Ojulari in a 3-4 and hate him in a 4-3. That's why I don't want him on the Colts, despite his talent. I'm open to change though. Convince me otherwise. Show me his stats in Georgia in the 3-4 and comparatively, his stats in a 4-3 so I can see the difference. Be sure to show the amount of snaps he played in each one as well.

 

I am probably not going to convince anyone, especially if they are just stuck on Ojulari's weight. This is kind of why I stay away from this board. People here tend to develop a lot of groupthink instead of using their own inner common sense...

 

I am not concerned one bit about his 6'2" or 6'3" and 250'ish frame. He is probably somewhere in between 6'2" and 6'3" and I do not care. He will probably play somewhere between 250 and 260 as a Pro. Again, I don't care. The only thing I care about is can he do his job! And yes, I believe that if the Colts asked Ojulari to line up outside of either tackle and go get the quarterback... That's exactly what he would do. 

 

For a lot of people, their first introduction to a player is when someone else is doing the explaining. For example; a lot of people read about a player, and then read what others have written about him, long before they ever watch the player play a down of football. That's like allowing everyone else to tell us how we are supposed think about others, before we even meet them. It is completely Bass Akwards. 

 

I let my eyes do most of the work... That is how the player grabs my attention. I won't even take a player serious unless he stands out on his own. That has to happen first and foremost. I have watched several Georgia games, and Ojulari stands out. He stands out because he is super quick off the ball (I'd say the quickest in this draft class), he is slapping people all over the place, literally beating people up with his hands, and he is getting home. I see a player who not only can get after the quarterback, but also plays very well against the run. I see a player who can set the edge and rush the passer.... Those guys are hard to find. 

 

Below is a rep from Ojulari, with his hand in the dirt, and against Alex Leatherwood (Alabama). Ojulari can absolutely play at a high level with his hand in the dirt. If people cannot see it from watching his tape... Then there is no way in Hades that I am going to convince them. 

 

By the way, this is starting to feel like the same argument I had with many on this board about Darius Leonard... "He is too small, he is too slow, he can't play in the middle, he doesn't fit what we do"... Oh, hogwash!!! What I saw from Darius Leonard was something I had never seen in a player I had ever scouted. He never (Not once) missed a tackle in college. I am still blow away by his college tape. BUT... There were others who just didn't see anything special in him. Of course after we drafted Leonard, then I was just bragging because I got lucky... This board is jacked. LOL

 

And you can add the Ryan Kelly arguments I had with everyone too. That went on for months. I think I convinced about 3 people on this board that we were taking him in the first round. Not worth my time. I have seen that movie  too many times. It's boring now. 

 

I am done arguing with people about this. They can believe whatever they want and for whatever reason they want. Their life... LOL

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I am probably not going to convince anyone, especially if they are just stuck on Ojulari's weight. This is kind of why I stay away from this board. People here tend to develop a lot of groupthink instead of using their own inner common sense...

 

I am not concerned one bit about his 6'2" or 6'3" and 250'ish frame. He is probably somewhere in between 6'2" and 6'3" and I do not care. He will probably play somewhere between 250 and 260 as a Pro. Again, I don't care. The only thing I care about is can he do his job! And yes, I believe that if the Colts asked Ojulari to line up outside of either tackle and go get the quarterback... That's exactly what he would do. 

 

For a lot of people, their first introduction to a player is when someone else is doing the explaining. For example; a lot of people read about a player, and then read what others have written about him, long before they ever watch the player play a down of football. That's like allowing everyone else to tell us how we are supposed think about others, before we even meet them. It is completely Bass Akwards. 

 

I let my eyes do most of the work... That is how the player grabs my attention. I won't even take a player serious unless he stands out on his own. That has to happen first and foremost. I have watched several Georgia games, and Ojulari stands out. He stands out because he is super quick off the ball (I'd say the quickest in this draft class), he is slapping people all over the place, literally beating people up with his hands, and he is getting home. I see a player who not only can get after the quarterback, but also plays very well against the run. I see a player who can set the edge and rush the passer.... Those guys are hard to find. 

 

Below is a rep from Ojulari, with his hand in the dirt, and against Alex Leatherwood (Alabama). Ojulari can absolutely play at a high level with his hand in the dirt. If people cannot see it from watching his tape... Then there is no way in Hades that I am going to convince them. 

 

 

 

It's great to have your own opinion. Some may agree with it or disagree with it but having your own opinion is what this site should be about. When it comes to Edge rushers/DE's even in a 4-3 I prefer speed over bulk as long as you have someone like a Buckner or a Warren Sapp type in the middle. Speed on the End's is what gets to QB's. Ojulari's weight doesn't concern me either because we have Buckner on this team. Having said all of that I still want us to take a LOT at #21, no trading down, etc.. Everyone has their 2 or 3 players that they think will be stars, yours is Ojulari, nothing wrong with that. I personally love Sam Cosmi and some others don't. I have him rated the 4th best LOT in the draft and he should be there at #21. That is who I would take assuming Darrisaw and Slater are gone. We know Sewell is going top 10. @stitches loves Teven Jenkins and many don't think he can play LT at a high level. What makes the world interesting is everyone is different :thmup:.

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22 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I am probably not going to convince anyone, especially if they are just stuck on Ojulari's weight. This is kind of why I stay away from this board. People here tend to develop a lot of groupthink instead of using their own inner common sense...

 

I am not concerned one bit about his 6'2" or 6'3" and 250'ish frame. He is probably somewhere in between 6'2" and 6'3" and I do not care. He will probably play somewhere between 250 and 260 as a Pro. Again, I don't care. The only thing I care about is can he do his job! And yes, I believe that if the Colts asked Ojulari to line up outside of either tackle and go get the quarterback... That's exactly what he would do. 

 

For a lot of people, their first introduction to a player is when someone else is doing the explaining. For example; a lot of people read about a player, and then read what others have written about him, long before they ever watch the player play a down of football. That's like allowing everyone else to tell us how we are supposed think about others, before we even meet them. It is completely Bass Akwards. 

 

I let my eyes do most of the work... That is how the player grabs my attention. I won't even take a player serious unless he stands out on his own. That has to happen first and foremost. I have watched several Georgia games, and Ojulari stands out. He stands out because he is super quick off the ball (I'd say the quickest in this draft class), he is slapping people all over the place, literally beating people up with his hands, and he is getting home. I see a player who not only can get after the quarterback, but also plays very well against the run. I see a player who can set the edge and rush the passer.... Those guys are hard to find. 

 

Below is a rep from Ojulari, with his hand in the dirt, and against Alex Leatherwood (Alabama). Ojulari can absolutely play at a high level with his hand in the dirt. If people cannot see it from watching his tape... Then there is no way in Hades that I am going to convince them. 

 

By the way, this is starting to feel like the same argument I had with many on this board about Darius Leonard... "He is too small, he is too slow, he can't play in the middle, he doesn't fit what we do"... Oh, hogwash!!! What I saw from Darius Leonard was something I had never seen in a player I had ever scouted. He never (Not once) missed a tackle in college. I am still blow away by his college tape. BUT... There were others who just didn't see anything special in him. Of course after we drafted Leonard, then I was just bragging because I got lucky... This board is jacked. LOL

 

And you can add the Ryan Kelly arguments I had with everyone too. That went on for months. I think I convinced about 3 people on this board that we were taking him in the first round. Not worth my time. I have seen that movie  too many times. It's boring now. 

 

I am done arguing with people about this. They can believe whatever they want and for whatever reason they want. Their life... LOL

 

 

 

 

You can't post a thread and not expect people to disagree with you on the topic.  I respect your opinion though it differs from mine.

 

 

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Just now, danlhart87 said:

 

You can't post a thread and not expect people to disagree with you on the topic.  I respect your opinion though it differs from mine.

 

 

 

People can disagree all they want, but disagree for legit reason... I am done arguing it. Believe what you want. It does not matter to me. I have seen this movie way too many times. It is not worth my time. 

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2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

People can disagree all they want, but disagree for legit reason... I am done arguing it. Believe what you want. It does not matter to me. I have seen this movie way too many times. It is not worth my time. 

Everybody's opinion is acceptable and opinions shouldn't be discouraged. It takes a lot of creativity to create threads such as these but just remember not everyone on here will share the same views as you.

 

You for the sake of the argument are backing up your views and I admire that. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, danlhart87 said:

Everybody's opinion is acceptable and opinions shouldn't be discouraged. It takes a lot of creativity to create threads such as these but just remember not everyone on here will share the same views as you.

 

You for the sake of the argument are backing up your views and I admire that. 

 

 

 

I've been on Colts boards since the 90's... It just gets old... The same old groupthink. To say that Ojulari cannot play with his hand in the dirt because he doesn't weigh enough is just preposterous. Do people realize that we have a weakside linebacker (regarded as one of the best in the business) who is lighter than some safeties? It is to the point, after decades of these same dumb arguments, that I don't even care to bring my opinion to Colts boards anymore. Every decade or so, there is a new freshman class coming into Colts boards... I am retiring from this. LOL. I have been semi-retired from it for a while now anyway. 

 

If someone just said, hey I don't really like any of this years edge rushers... I could actually live with that. It is a crappy group (overall). But if you're looking for the star in this group, I have shined the spotlight on him. 

 

By the way, I love for people to have their own opinion. I absolutely love listening to peoples point of view. I'll stick up for that every day. Let's be real about this though. We are not seeing that here. What we are seeing here is people repeating what they've been told to believe. 

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50 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I am probably not going to convince anyone, especially if they are just stuck on Ojulari's weight. This is kind of why I stay away from this board. People here tend to develop a lot of groupthink instead of using their own inner common sense...

 

I am not concerned one bit about his 6'2" or 6'3" and 250'ish frame. He is probably somewhere in between 6'2" and 6'3" and I do not care. He will probably play somewhere between 250 and 260 as a Pro. Again, I don't care. The only thing I care about is can he do his job! And yes, I believe that if the Colts asked Ojulari to line up outside of either tackle and go get the quarterback... That's exactly what he would do. 

 

For a lot of people, their first introduction to a player is when someone else is doing the explaining. For example; a lot of people read about a player, and then read what others have written about him, long before they ever watch the player play a down of football. That's like allowing everyone else to tell us how we are supposed think about others, before we even meet them. It is completely Bass Akwards. 

 

I let my eyes do most of the work... That is how the player grabs my attention. I won't even take a player serious unless he stands out on his own. That has to happen first and foremost. I have watched several Georgia games, and Ojulari stands out. He stands out because he is super quick off the ball (I'd say the quickest in this draft class), he is slapping people all over the place, literally beating people up with his hands, and he is getting home. I see a player who not only can get after the quarterback, but also plays very well against the run. I see a player who can set the edge and rush the passer.... Those guys are hard to find. 

 

Below is a rep from Ojulari, with his hand in the dirt, and against Alex Leatherwood (Alabama). Ojulari can absolutely play at a high level with his hand in the dirt. If people cannot see it from watching his tape... Then there is no way in Hades that I am going to convince them. 

 

By the way, this is starting to feel like the same argument I had with many on this board about Darius Leonard... "He is too small, he is too slow, he can't play in the middle, he doesn't fit what we do"... Oh, hogwash!!! What I saw from Darius Leonard was something I had never seen in a player I had ever scouted. He never (Not once) missed a tackle in college. I am still blow away by his college tape. BUT... There were others who just didn't see anything special in him. Of course after we drafted Leonard, then I was just bragging because I got lucky... This board is jacked. LOL

 

And you can add the Ryan Kelly arguments I had with everyone too. That went on for months. I think I convinced about 3 people on this board that we were taking him in the first round. Not worth my time. I have seen that movie  too many times. It's boring now. 

 

I am done arguing with people about this. They can believe whatever they want and for whatever reason they want. Their life... LOL

 

 

 

 

The bolded, how do you know that others who think differently than you, on their own and without input from others, looked at the same tape and formed their own individual opinions.  In best Yoda voice "painting with a broad brush you are."

 

You are doing the same thing you accuse others of doing.  Only seeing your perspective.

 

BlueShoe's Ode to BlueShoe needs some editing.

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