MTC Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/04/report-no-negotiations-between-robert-mathis-and-colts/Earlier this week, we shared a report that talks between the Colts and impending free agent defensive end Robert Mathis were “warming up.”Len Pasquarelli of the Sports Xchange has been hearing differently. Pasaquarelli reports that there’s been no warming up in the talks because the two sides haven’t had any negotiations as of Thursday night. The only conversations between Mathis’ camp and new Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson have been of the getting to know you variety and that no contract proposals have been exchanged.Well this should be a interesting offseason.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemack Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Perhap theyr'e taking the approach of dealing with the Manning situation 1st. I feel if Mathis isn't signed, he will be tagged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smonroe Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 If it tells us anything it's that we should take everything that's reported with a grain of salt. Kravitz, La Canfora, Schefter, and the like aren't reporters. They're gossip mongers. They'll pass along anything they hear without confirming their stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsblue1844 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 if i had to guess, and thats all i CAN do at this point, i would assume that everyone else is on hold until the Peyton Manning situation is resolved...even if that means negotiating a completely different contract for him. I would assume that that would also be one of the reasons that Garcon either wasnt offered yet or turned down the deal....his agent said no offer was made, espn said he turned down an offer...i would tend to believe the agent over espn.I think that Peyton is the biggest offseason domino and once that is taken care of, the others will start to fall into place, one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CashMoney Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 The problem is that the deadline to franchise tag is end of monday. Manning decision probably wont be made until wednesday/thursday. The potential of losing manning, mathis, wayne, and garcon is tough to absorb.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deedub75 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I'm sure the Manning decision has already been made just not announced. Maybe Irsay will have a primetime show like Lebron to announce the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Kravitz says the darndest things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakedownstreet Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 snore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CashMoney Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 You can add this to the litter...Bob Kravitz @bkravitz Reply Retweet Favorite · OpenDespite reports, there have been talks between Mathis and Colts, but currently little headway, hit a snag. The franchise tag is an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton and Eli fan Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Bob Kravitz@bkravitzReplyRetweetedRetweetDeleteFavoritedFavorite· Close Open DetailsDespite reports, there have been talks between Mathis and Colts, but currently little headway, hit a snag. The franchise tag is an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltswarriors Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Krazitz says there has been talks. Who knows anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittywerb Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I bet there are no talks with Robert yet, we still have the elephant in the room to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buccolts Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I know this'll sound odd, but the closer we get to March 8th, and the more we hear, the more I'm thinking that Peyton WILL be released, and both sides know it.'It's Peyton's decision if he wants to stay' involves him wanting to re-sign with the Colts as a free agent. That decision may already have been made as well.Just the sneaky feeling I get right now.If correct, imagine this board from the time the release announcement is made until he signs somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakai432 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Awesome another possible fail attempt by Crapvitz. Great job!!!! He just need to stick to talking about the Pacers, the only object of talk he excels at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fx Stryker Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Kravitz is probably trying to stir emotions in the players that haven't been "talked" to, i.e. Reggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I think they'll let him test the market, then maybe negotiate a favourable contract that will help the Colts. A ballsy move because there are a lot of teams that want Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Perhap theyr'e taking the approach of dealing with the Manning situation 1st. I feel if Mathis isn't signed, he will be tagged.Between Wayne and Mathis..one will get the tag.....and you could go either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemack Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Between Wayne and Mathis..one will get the tag.....and you could go either wayI guess it comes down to at which position are they deepest at. However, I think finding a DE at Mathis' caliber would be more difficult between the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I guess it comes down to at which position are they deepest at. However, I think finding a DE at Mathis' caliber would be more difficult between the 2.If the new coaches think Mathis can switch to OLB....then I'd agree with you..But if Manning returns...he needs Reggie...they work together extremely well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemack Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 If the new coaches think Mathis can switch to OLB....then I'd agree with you..But if Manning returns...he needs Reggie...they work together extremely wellGood points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 If the new coaches think Mathis can switch to OLB....then I'd agree with you..But if Manning returns...he needs Reggie...they work together extremely wellGiven the current state of the salary cap, and the bumper crop of FAs the team has this year, it will be difficult to re-sign Mathis, Wayne, extend Freeney and keep PM unless you cut massively elsewhere. Without the FAs, the team cap for contracted players plus its #1 draft pick = $91MM.The 15 FAs had a cap hit in 2011 of about $35MMThe 2012 team cap is projected to be $121.2MM So you see that it doesn't quite fit, even if we conservatively assume we can get the FAs (or their equivalent) back at last year's cap charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Given the current state of the salary cap, and the bumper crop of FAs the team has this year, it will be difficult to re-sign Mathis, Wayne, extend Freeney and keep PM unless you cut massively elsewhere. Without the FAs, the team cap for contracted players plus its #1 draft pick = $91MM.The 15 FAs had a cap hit in 2011 of about $35MMThe 2012 team cap is projected to be $121.2MM So you see that it doesn't quite fit, even if we conservatively assume we can get the FAs (or their equivalent) back at last year's cap charge.Extending Freeney helps the cap in this coming year..does it not... ?..and Manning if he is cut and resigned..will have his deal structured to help the cause as Rothlisberger apparenty just did with Pittsburgh..But...its Mathis or Wayne...in my mind...and as I said....I dont know if Mathis can switch to outside LB in a 3-4.....so I'd resign Reggie..maybe with the cap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BProland85 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 And here's a question I brought up in the Carl Nicks and Ben Grubbs post...Would you rather bring in a 27 year old stud OG in Carl Nicks or 31 year old Mathis? If we dont resign Mathis, Manning, and Wayne, we should definately have enough cap space to go get Nicks if we wanted him.Dont get me wrong, if we can find a way to have both Mathis and Nicks, I'd be all for it. But I dont know if the money will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 isn't DE the most expensive position to franchise? franchising mathis would cost $$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld1 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 isn't DE the most expensive position to franchise? franchising mathis would cost $$$$$$$$$Exactly and they have until tomorrow, iirc, to slap the tag on him or anyone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldunclemark Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 And here's a question I brought up in the Carl Nicks and Ben Grubbs post...Would you rather bring in a 27 year old stud OG in Carl Nicks or 31 year old Mathis? If we dont resign Mathis, Manning, and Wayne, we should definately have enough cap space to go get Nicks if we wanted him.Dont get me wrong, if we can find a way to have both Mathis and Nicks, I'd be all for it. But I dont know if the money will be there.Nicks will cost more than Mathis.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ar1888 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 As much as I hate to say this, the Colts are in a rebuilding mode. Tag Mathis, get him to signing the tender, and then trade him. Why let him walk for free if we could get even a 4th rounder out of him? We are going to need all the draft picks we can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Extending Freeney helps the cap in this coming year..does it not... ?..and Manning if he is cut and resigned..will have his deal structured to help the cause as Rothlisberger apparenty just did with Pittsburgh..But...its Mathis or Wayne...in my mind...and as I said....I dont know if Mathis can switch to outside LB in a 3-4.....so I'd resign Reggie..maybe with the cap...Extending Freeney will help the 2012 salary cap if you can structure the extension such that it does not hit the salary cap more than $14.035MM, and if you can get him to accept it.Roethlisberger restructured his contract in Pittsburgh by converting some base salary dollars into guaranteed bonus dollars. I don't think Irsay thinks that is a viable method for PM to restructure his agreement. This method does nothing to mitigate the risk of not playing for health reasons, as it will still hit the team with the large tail of unamortized pro-rated bonus pieces the time when PM cannot play any longer before the term of the contract has expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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