No targets for Moncrief?

[BProland85]

Granted I turned off the game early 4th quarter, but I didn't see Donte targeted all game. Any explanations? 

[PrincetonTiger]

He had a catch late

[legend300]

I was saying the same thing.  They finally threw to him with 3 to 4 minutes left in game.  

[Superman]

Hey got a catch late in the game.

But I think the answer is that Hasselbeck played poorly, made multiple bad reads, was slow to get calls in and make adjustments, didn't make his reads well, missed open receivers, and got pressured all game long. 

[James]

Weird. Meanwhile I counted 4 targets for Whalen. Was probably more than that.

[PrincetonTiger]

MH threw a lot of checkdown/screen routes

[jmac_48]

3 minutes ago, Superman said:

Hey got a catch late in the game.

But I think the answer is that Hasselbeck played poorly, made multiple bad reads, was slow to get calls in and make adjustments, didn't make his reads well, missed open receivers, and got pressured all game long. 

Hate to say it but Matt looked like a deer in the headlights tonight.

Didn't have much help either!

[Coltfreak]

3 minutes ago, Superman said:

Hey got a catch late in the game.

But I think the answer is that Hasselbeck played poorly, made multiple bad reads, was slow to get calls in and make adjustments, didn't make his reads well, missed open receivers, and got pressured all game long. 

Seriously?  I said the same thing about Luck every game and everyone blamed Pep.  So this MUST be Chuds fault. 

[Superman]

Just now, jmac_48 said:

Hate to say it but Matt looked like a deer in the headlights tonight.

Didn't have much help either!

He had plenty of help early. That first pick was awful, when we could have taken an early lead. The defense actually played reasonably well up until the last couple of possessions in the second half. Not great, but decent. 

I also think Chud called a bad game. We lived off of play action last week, and then it was gone this week. Had some chances to get the run game rolling, and didn't. My pet peeve about offensive play calling in general is empty backfield on third down, and we called that three or four times. 

But MH was terrible. He won't throw the ball down the field, despite how awful Pittsburgh's secondary was. He was inaccurate right from the start. Just looked ... affected, I guess?

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, Superman said:

He had plenty of help early. That first pick was awful, when we could have taken an early lead. The defense actually played reasonably well up until the last couple of possessions in the second half. Not great, but decent. 

I also think Chud called a bad game. We lived off of play action last week, and then it was gone this week. Had some chances to get the run game rolling, and didn't. My pet peeve about offensive play calling in general is empty backfield on third down, and we called that three or four times. 

But MH was terrible. He won't throw the ball down the field, despite how awful Pittsburgh's secondary was. He was inaccurate right from the start. Just looked ... affected, I guess?

Agreed

[Mr.Debonair]

Injuries up front seemed to catch up to us tonight too

[Superman]

Just now, Mr.Debonair said:

Injuries up front seemed to catch up to us tonight too

Reitz and Good were both bad. Got worse as time went on.

[GoColts8818]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

Hey got a catch late in the game.

But I think the answer is that Hasselbeck played poorly, made multiple bad reads, was slow to get calls in and make adjustments, didn't make his reads well, missed open receivers, and got pressured all game long. 

40 year old Matt finally showed up.  I remember either Parcels or BB once saying the normal life span of a back up QB in the NFL is about four games before other teams figure you out and you show why your back up QB.  

Bound to happen.  Hopefully he's fine for one more game and the Colts can figure out a way to win in Jacksonville and he can turn things back over to Andrew.

Honestly I think if we asked anyone at the start of the year that if the Colts would need Matt for six games this year would you take a 5-1 or 4-2 record in those six games everyone would have jumped at it.

I know you agree with most of that just building on your point.

[dw49]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

He had plenty of help early. That first pick was awful, when we could have taken an early lead. The defense actually played reasonably well up until the last couple of possessions in the second half. Not great, but decent. 

I also think Chud called a bad game. We lived off of play action last week, and then it was gone this week. Had some chances to get the run game rolling, and didn't. My pet peeve about offensive play calling in general is empty backfield on third down, and we called that three or four times. 

But MH was terrible. He won't throw the ball down the field, despite how awful Pittsburgh's secondary was. He was inaccurate right from the start. Just looked ... affected, I guess?

Not only was that 1st pick awful but he threw a dirt ball on a simple , certain TD pass to AJ the play before that. A good high school QB would hit that pass 9 out of 10 times.

[Superman]

12 minutes ago, dw49 said:

Not only was that 1st pick awful but he threw a dirt ball on a simple , certain TD pass to AJ the play before that. A good high school QB would hit that pass 9 out of 10 times.

He didn't step into that throw because there was a free rusher coming at him. He could have just put more on it and it would have been catchable; t's not like it was a deep post and he really needed his legs. But those short, quick throws are the ones where poor mechanics really cost you, because there's no time for the receiver to adjust to the ball. Straight in the dirt, like a nasty slider. 

[GoColts8818]

Honestly games like this from Moncrief and Hilton tell me why the Colts drafted Dorsett.  They disappear in big games against good defenses, Denver not with standing that seems to be a really good match up for the Colts for some reason.  Don't get me wrong I think both Hilton and Moncrief are good players but they do struggle to get open against really good teams for the most part.  

[dw49]

13 minutes ago, Superman said:

He didn't step into that throw because there was a free rusher coming at him. He could have just put more on it and it would have been catchable; t's not like it was a deep post and he really needed his legs. But those short, quick throws are the ones where poor mechanics really cost you, because there's no time for the receiver to adjust to the ball. Straight in the dirt, like a nasty slider. 

 

Yeah .. I exaggerated a bit as the throw was effected by the pass rusher as you say. But still something that should have been completed .

[southwest1]

2 hours ago, Superman said:

Hey got a catch late in the game.

But I think the answer is that Hasselbeck played poorly, made multiple bad reads, was slow to get calls in and make adjustments, didn't make his reads well, missed open receivers, and got pressured all game long. 

All valid points Superman, which no one would refute. I just wish our offense could hang with the Steelers offense. We clearly can't. Allen almost nonexistent or under utilized, Moncrief was hardly looked at by Matthew, Gore was pretty much held in check almost all night long, AJ showed up on a couple of catches.

Maybe Big Ben is just cool as a cucumber. Our pass rush barely got to him & Mathis was more or less neutralized. Antonio Brown is a stud & darn near unstoppable, but why does he always flip or jump in the end zone when he doesn't need too? It's foolish & if he ever hurt himself & missed games because of it, he wouldn't be smiling or laughing.

[southwest1]

I need to congratulate Mike Tomlin & his staff on their lopsided victory. They kicked our caboose tonight. Mike is pretty gutsy going for the 2 point conversion as often as he does too. I like his moxy here. Put the hammer down & put additional pressure on opposing QBs.

I gotta give Big Ben major props to. Calm in the pocket, knows when to step in the pocket or sidearm a throw, & he has full command of his offense. He throws a beautiful long pass too. Darn it's pretty & it hits it's intended target 90% of the time so the WR usually can catch the ball in stride without slowing down. It's very impressive.

[southwest1]

If Tom Coughlin gets fired in NY this year once their season ends, I want Irsay to call him for an interview immediately. Yes, I'm biased. I freely admit that, but Coughlin is the kind of coach INDY needs...A SB champion, a guy who made the Jags look respectable, & he has his boys ready to play & drop the wood every week.

Make it happen Jimmy. I wanna win games outside the AFC South consistently. Pagano will never do that. It's time for a change. Who cares about winning the division if my Colts typically get humiliated outside of it when the games really matter?

[southwest1]

Pittsburgh in the Luck era always seems to have our number. A healthy line wouldn't have mattered. Our line couldn't hold up vs their defense. Plus, Gore was contained well tonight for the most part. By the end of the 3rd QTR the game felt pretty much over to me. Heck, when INDY got the ball after halftime & basically went 3 & out in like what felt like seconds, I literally said " It's 4th down already? Bleep."

Most fans just say we were outmatched tonight by a superior offense. True, we were, but why stop there though? What adjustments did we make to move the ball downfield after halftime? Other coaches like Bruce Arians, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, or Mike Tomlin will make changes if they struggle like removing their return specialist for fumbling. What does Pagano do? Hmmm...

Heck, I even remember Mike Holmgren making wise adjustments when he coached in GB & Seattle too.

[southwest1]

I'm just fed up right now. Probably because a lot of fans will say "Come on SW, did you really expect us to win against the Steelers anyway? Besides, it's only 1 game."

To that, I say this: "When your coaching staff keeps losing to NE & Pittsburgh who will see again & need to defeat to get to the SB. It's time to cut bait & accept that Chuck will never get us where we wanna go where we need to go. He's not being paid to be a nice guy. He's being paid to win playoff games & get to a SB. Plus, the Jags, the Titans, & Houston are improving & closing the competition gap. We need to maximize our time with Luck & help our improved defense by scoring TDs vs kicking punts. Pat McAfee is awesome, but if we are punting in the playoffs frequently, we are toast."

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

I'm just fed up right now. Probably because a lot of fans will say "Come on SW, did you really expect us to win against the Steelers anyway? Besides, it's only 1 game."

To that, I say this: "When your coaching staff keeps losing to NE & Pittsburgh who will see again & need to defeat to get to the SB. It's time to cut bait & accept that Chuck will never get us where we wanna go where we need to go. He's not being paid to be a nice guy. He's being paid to win playoff games & get to a SB. Plus, the Jags, the Titans, & Houston are improving & closing the competition gap. We need to maximize our time with Luck & help our improved defense by scoring TDs vs kicking punts. Pat McAfee is awesome, but if we are punting in the playoffs frequently, we are toast."

I see your frustration but tonight isn't a fair assessment. We didn't have Andrew. If they would've beat us like that with Andrew I would agree with you 100%. Even last year when they beat us, Andrew put up 34 points. Still a lot of Football to go.

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, GoColts8818 said:

Honestly games like this from Moncrief and Hilton tell me why the Colts drafted Dorsett.  They disappear in big games against good defenses, Denver not with standing that seems to be a really good match up for the Colts for some reason.  Don't get me wrong I think both Hilton and Moncrief are good players but they do struggle to get open against really good teams for the most part.  

No matter what Moncrief and Hilton do, the QB has to get them the ball. Matt wasn't getting much help and he was off all night. His 40 years old body is starting to show. TY can get open on any defense but the time is needed for that to happen. Cant go down field when the QB see nothing but the defenders number in his face. This game didn't surprise me at all. A 40 years old QB with not much protection against a home team Steeler team that are playing for their playoff spot also.

 

[crazycolt1]

33 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

Pittsburgh in the Luck era always seems to have our number. A healthy line wouldn't have mattered. Our line couldn't hold up vs their defense. Plus, Gore was contained well tonight for the most part. By the end of the 3rd QTR the game felt pretty much over to me. Heck, when INDY got the ball after halftime & basically went 3 & out in like what felt like seconds, I literally said " It's 4th down already? Bleep."

Most fans just say we were outmatched tonight by a superior offense. True, we were, but why stop there though? What adjustments did we make to move the ball downfield after halftime? Other coaches like Bruce Arians, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, or Mike Tomlin will make changes if they struggle like removing their return specialist for fumbling. What does Pagano do? Hmmm...

Heck, I even remember Mike Holmgren making wise adjustments when he coached in GB & Seattle too.

Really? A healthy line wouldn't have helped? A patch work line really is not going to work as we all know. Pagano can only play the players he has and he is a little too old to put a uniform on?

[crazycolt1]

1 hour ago, southwest1 said:

I need to congratulate Mike Tomlin & his staff on their lopsided victory. They kicked our caboose tonight. Mike is pretty gutsy going for the 2 point conversion as often as he does too. I like his moxy here. Put the hammer down & put additional pressure on opposing QBs.

I gotta give Big Ben major props to. Calm in the pocket, knows when to step in the pocket or sidearm a throw, & he has full command of his offense. He throws a beautiful long pass too. Darn it's pretty & it hits it's intended target 90% of the time so the WR usually can catch the ball in stride without slowing down. It's very impressive.

Most pro QBs can hit the target when they have all day to do it. Ben has maybe the two best combo receivers in the NFL and he has the time to find them. That is something the Colts QBs don't have and it shows.

[southwest1]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

Really? A healthy line wouldn't have helped? A patch work line really is not going to work as we all know. Pagano can only play the players he has and he is a little too old to put a uniform on?

Nope. Last year, the Steelers schooled us & the same thing happened tonight. Are we detecting a pattern here? Yes, Pagano did nothing to slow down Pittsburgh's defense or LB James Harrison for that matter & Chuck Pagano was the DC of the Ravens before we hired him in INDY correct?

[southwest1]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I see your frustration but tonight isn't a fair assessment. We didn't have Andrew. If they would've beat us like that with Andrew I would agree with you 100%. Even last year when they beat us, Andrew put up 34 points. Still a lot of Football to go.

Every HC is facing injuries this late in the season. That's no excuse CBE. I didn't hear any Colts fans taking away credit from Pagano when we were winning under Matthew Hasselback did you? Yeah, me neither.

Belichick won with Matt Cassel in 2008 & Bruce Arians still won games last season in AZ when Carson Palmer went down. So no, I'm not buying the Pagano is without Luck excuse. Sorry.

[Jason_]

12 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

Every HC is facing injuries this late in the season. That's no excuse CBE. I didn't hear any Colts fans taking away credit from Pagano when we were winning under Matthew Hasselback did you? Yeah, me neither.

Belichick won with Matt Cassel in 2008 & Bruce Arians stillnto won games last season in AZ when Carson Palmer we nt down. So no, I'm not buying the Pagano is without Luck excuse. Sorry.

It wasn't just luck that pagano was without. Seriously, chill out. Matt had a bad game and our OL is in shambles, and they were going up against the steelers, who are top 10 in sacks this year. 

Using this game to judge pagano coaching caliber is beyond moronic

[chrisfarley]

5 hours ago, jmac_48 said:

Hate to say it but Matt looked like a deer in the headlights tonight.

Didn't have much help either!

He seemed really unsure and hurried as he would look at the plays on his wrist really quick and calling the play out just in the nick of time or not in the nick of time.  Seemed like a different guy tonight, not sure if it was the Steelers intimidation factor, national lights, or the age factor.

[chrisfarley]

Just now, chrisfarley said:

He seemed really unsure and hurried as he would look at the plays on his wrist really quick and calling the play out just in the nick of time or not in the nick of time.  Seemed like a different guy tonight, not sure if it was the Steelers intimidation factor, national lights, or the age factor. Or all of the above or none of the above? Thoughts?

 

[southwest1]

38 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

It wasn't just luck that pagano was without. Seriously, chill out. Matt had a bad game and our OL is in shambles, and they were going up against the steelers, who are top 10 in sacks this year. 

Using this game to judge pagano coaching caliber is beyond moronic

Call me moronic then I guess Jason because if we do make the Playoffs & we face the Steelers a 2nd time we will be eliminated as brutally as we were the other 2 meetings.

What's the definition of insanity again? "Doing the same thing over & over again & expecting a different result."

Just keep making excuses when we get knocked out early in the playoffs, but it's never Pagano's fault. Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, southwest1 said:

Every HC is facing injuries this late in the season. That's no excuse CBE. I didn't hear any Colts fans taking away credit from Pagano when we were winning under Matthew Hasselback did you? Yeah, me neither.

Belichick won with Matt Cassel in 2008 & Bruce Arians still won games last season in AZ when Carson Palmer went down. So no, I'm not buying the Pagano is without Luck excuse. Sorry.

If you think all the problems the Colts have is at the feet of Pagano maybe you should step back and see the whole picture? The comparing coaches against coaches does not have anything to do with the Colts. What has the wins with Pagano with Matt have to do with anything? Just maybe the Steelers are a better team and are not facing the same stuff the Colts are at this point in the season? The Steelers have their starting QB, two of the best WRs in the league, a stout defense, were at home and fighting for a playoff spot. But according to you it was all on Pagano? You need a chill pill. It takes more than a head coach in case you forgot. Your knee jerk reaction is over the top. (just a side note: how many more years does Hoody have on Pagano as far as experience?)

[hawkeyes]

Seen him open more than a few times - Matt just wasn't there tonight.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, hawkeyes said:

Seen him open more than a few times - Matt just wasn't there tonight.

Hass has done his job, we just need him to deliver next week. I pretty much knew he wasn't winning at Pitt. He didn't even think he would play at all coming into the season. He laid 1 egg, it happens. We seemed out of sync all night. It reminded me of the Title Game last season.

[crazycolt1]

3 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Hass has done his job, we just need him to deliver next week. I pretty much knew he wasn't winning at Pitt. He didn't even think he would play at all coming into the season. He laid 1 egg, it happens. We seemed out of sync all night. It reminded me of the Title Game last season.

It's not like the Colts were favored in this game either. As it stands the Colts are the 4th seed. If that would have been said 4 weeks ago you would have been laughed out of the forum. Yes the Colts lost but with the way things went down yesterday they didn't lose ground.

[lollygagger8]

Hasselbeck must've hurt his neck before his injury because he looked right maybe 3 times all night. 

I also freely admit I turned the TV off in the 3rd quarter. 

[csmopar]

8 hours ago, Superman said:

Hey got a catch late in the game.

But I think the answer is that Hasselbeck played poorly, made multiple bad reads, was slow to get calls in and make adjustments, didn't make his reads well, missed open receivers, and got pressured all game long. 

Matt was due for a bad game

[Jason_]

3 hours ago, southwest1 said:

Call me moronic then I guess Jason because if we do make the Playoffs & we face the Steelers a 2nd time we will be eliminated as brutally as we were the other 2 meetings.

What's the definition of insanity again? "Doing the same thing over & over again & expecting a different result."

Just keep making excuses when we get knocked out early in the playoffs, but it's never Pagano's fault. Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 

and please explain how they're doing the same thing over and over?  People use that phrase all the time and it rarely applies.  Do you think they're going to go into the next game with the exact same game plan?  Call all the same plays?  

First and foremost, if we run into the Steelers again in the playoffs, I'm thinking that Luck and Castonzo will probably be available.  That alone will make a huge difference.

Also, just for the record, the Colts have only been knocked out of the playoffs early ONCE...ONE TIME...under Pagano's watch.  

[will426]

7 hours ago, southwest1 said:

If Tom Coughlin gets fired in NY this year once their season ends, I want Irsay to call him for an interview immediately. Yes, I'm biased. I freely admit that, but Coughlin is the kind of coach INDY needs...A SB champion, a guy who made the Jags look respectable, & he has his boys ready to play & drop the wood every week.

Make it happen Jimmy. I wanna win games outside the AFC South consistently. Pagano will never do that. It's time for a change. Who cares about winning the division if my Colts typically get humiliated outside of it when the games really matter?

Only reason I'd want coughlin is to beat Brady lol