CCH Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 How would getting Andrew Luck put us in the best position to win next season? I mean, he won't play, so that's $6 million flushing down the toilet, not helping the team. $24 million by the time he takes a snap (potentially).Turn in your fan card.The #1 pick doesn't have to be about Luck. You've made it obvious that you're against drafting Luck, but losing to the Jags and trading the #1 pick for a plethora of picks is a MUCH better option than getting the 3rd overall pick and drafting Claiborne. Winning isn't in the best interest of the future of the team. We're not going 0-16, I'm fine with losing next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husker61 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 you dont trade away a top five pick. irsay even said he wouldnt do itand you don't say you want to trade something or someone (killing it's value) even if you do want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shecolt Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I haven't voted in this poll because I am torn. I can see both sides.As a Colt's fan, I can't hope for a loss. But, I also realize that a win may take away that #1 pick (whether that means Luck, another player, or trading that pick).I just paid a visit to a Jaguar's message board where the same discussion is taking place. Some Jaguar's fans are hoping that they lose (even advocating tanking) to hopefully prevent the Colts from getting that #1 pick. Other Jaguar's fans are saying that there is no way they could ever hope for their team to lose.The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what any of the fans want. Neither team is going to view the message boards and say, "Hey, the fans want us to win/lose. So, that is what we will do." IMO, both teams should play to the best of their ability. Whatever the outcome is, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Or what?Cats and dogs living together?Mass hysteria?thanks for reminding me of this! I do think we have a little bit of this now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I was originally torn, but bottom line I just want our colts to play & whatever happens happens. I don't think the world will end if we don't get luck or the 1st pick, though I understand the importance. GO COLTS ! :manning: I agreeThe first pick is supposed to go to the worst team.........and if that's not us........that's the way it is1st pick would obviously make things easier.If we don't get it, we don't get itIt is so ironic to me that all these division games were put at the end of the season in response to the colts resting the starters in 2009.......to give the Colts a reason to play competitive footballAnd now, here we are........discussing the merits of 'playing less than our best'........to increase our odds of the other great prize............1st draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaric Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 THANK YOU MAUREEN!I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that reference. (As soon as I get some more rep...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaric Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 And now, here we are........discussing the merits of 'playing less than our best'........to increase our odds of the other great prize............1st draft pickFor the record, I'm not suggesting they tank it. I fully expect the team to give it their all and wouldn't dream of suggesting they do otherwise.I just hoping they aren't successful because I think it's in their best interests not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueplague Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) This "turn in your fan card" garbage needs to stop right now. The people still posting on this board are probably the best fans the colts organization has. The fair weather fans have all purchased their rodgers jerseys and are waiting for the colts to be a 13-3 team again before they start rooting for the colts again.Jaric has hit the nail on the head here -- while I'm not rooting for the Colts to tank (that would be an embarrassment to the entire franchise and wouldn't be worth any pick), as fans I think we have the right to root for the Colts to lose here. There is no question that the #1 pick has more tangible value than the #3 pick. Does 3-13 have more tangible value than 2-14? Probably not. heck, there's talk on the Jaguars message boards about THEM tanking to keep Luck out of the AFC South. This just goes to show that out biggest rivals know what's best for us -- and that's for us to lose and secure the #1 pick. Edited December 25, 2011 by Maureen Please do not link to other message boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdacolts67 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 who every wants their team to lose needs to hand in their fan card...you worry about the draft at draft time not during the seasonmay I add the last 16 first Rd QBs, 8 had good/decent years, the other 8 were flops.... There hasnt been a QB coming out of college with this kind of Rep since I can remember. Everyone, and I meen everyone believes this guy is going to be great. That dosnt make it so, but the odds are in our favor. I think Jacksonville lets us win because they dont want to face Luck for 14 years. I think you do whats best for your team. This game neens nothing to Indy unless the outcome takes us out of the draft for Luck. You tell us to hand in our fan card when Luck goes somewhere else and we go the next 10 years with guys like Painter. Finding Peyton was the Gem in the pile, Lets do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdacolts67 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) This "turn in your fan card" garbage needs to stop right now. The people still posting on this board are probably the best fans the colts organization has. The fair weather fans have all purchased their rodgers jerseys and are waiting for the colts to be a 13-3 team again before they start rooting for the colts again.Jaric has hit the nail on the head here -- while I'm not rooting for the Colts to tank (that would be an embarrassment to the entire franchise and wouldn't be worth any pick), as fans I think we have the right to root for the Colts to lose here. There is no question that the #1 pick has more tangible value than the #3 pick. Does 3-13 have more tangible value than 2-14? Probably not. heck, there's talk on the Jaguars message boards about THEM tanking to keep Luck out of the AFC South. This just goes to show that out biggest rivals know what's best for us -- and that's for us to lose and secure the #1 pick. I just saw what you posted and I like it. I have thought about the Jags tanking it also. We love the Colts, thats why we are here. Ive been called every kind of fan known to God but have been watching them since 1967, Lets getR done and get Luck. All Hail Peyton. Thats also my dogs name Edited December 25, 2011 by Maureen Quoted link to other message board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB-ColtsFan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 To want this team to win is so very short sighted.....A win next Sunday changes NOTHING -- A loss and the #1 pick sets this team up to either take their next franchise QB or trade that pick for a load of picks to use next year and going forward.To win and get a #3 pick....gets you a good college player and nothing else. Anyone who wants this team to do well in 2012 and beyond really should be rooting for them to get the #1 pick next April.So if next week's game were at LOC instead of at Jax, you would want the fans to boo when we score points? Should every Colt fan wear a Jax jersey?Wow, i guess those crazy cheering fans Thursday night were all being short sighted? How dare they!!Sorry, ust trying to understand how i am supposed to root "against" my team?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Case Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 who every wants their team to lose needs to hand in their fan card...you worry about the draft at draft time not during the seasonmay I add the last 16 first Rd QBs, 8 had good/decent years, the other 8 were flops....Lol turn in my fan card cause i want what's best for this organization that I have rooted for since 1991. My fan card lol. U seem to hold a Peyton manning fan card and just don't want him pushed out if Indy. Everybody on this forum is a colts fan and most likely like the other person said the colts best fans. Not every fan takes time out of there day to Join a forum dedicated to the colts. We r all colts fans and saying otherwise makes me question your fan card and wonder if it's a troll card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdacolts67 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I agreeThe first pick is supposed to go to the worst team.........and if that's not us........that's the way it is1st pick would obviously make things easier.If we don't get it, we don't get itIt is so ironic to me that all these division games were put at the end of the season in response to the colts resting the starters in 2009.......to give the Colts a reason to play competitive footballAnd now, here we are........discussing the merits of 'playing less than our best'........to increase our odds of the other great prize............1st draft pick Its ok to have the " i dont care" attidude but many of us do care and want the best for our team. The other comment about the "world not ending" is true also. But our team will CHANGE because of what happens next week. In the biggest way since we got Manning. There is no denying that, so I believe we have to get Luck because I remember after Unitus we didnt have a QB untill Jones, and it was a long search untill Manning. I believe If Luck turns out to be 60% of Manning it is worth the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 At this point FO has pretty much said they will use 1st pick and not trade... Well I think a Colts Fan card holder, wants a pick in the draft that could effect and help team for next 10 years, not a pick where the pick holds a clip board for 3 or 4 years and contributes for 6 years... 4 years from nowUnless... perish the thought.... the front office is lying thru their teeth about our draft strategy OR about the true picture of Peyton's medical outlook.We do, after all, remember Polian's characterization of Marvin's injury.... he's day to day to week to week to week to month to ultimately..... "thanks for all you've done for us Marvin"I'll believe nothing about this or any other draft 100% until Goodell's at the microphone in NY.Colts fans really oughta know this by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdacolts67 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So if next week's game were at LOC instead of at Jax, you would want the fans to boo when we score points? Should every Colt fan wear a Jax jersey?Wow, i guess those crazy cheering fans Thursday night were all being short sighted? How dare they!!Sorry, ust trying to understand how i am supposed to root "against" my team?? All you need to do to understand is READ what people are saying. It might help your delema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icf Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So if next week's game were at LOC instead of at Jax, you would want the fans to boo when we score points? Should every Colt fan wear a Jax jersey?Wow, i guess those crazy cheering fans Thursday night were all being short sighted? How dare they!!Sorry, ust trying to understand how i am supposed to root "against" my team??really...I hope your not as dense as you're coming across. Is it that difficult to undertand that getting the #1 pick is in the best interest of the franchise for 2012 and beyond?I dont expect the fans at the game to boo "their" team....but I would at least hope that most are smart enough to realize that a win, is not in the best interest of the franchise at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Case Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 Would u guys of preferred the colts to win an extra game in 1997 and us not have manning? That extra win that year would have been better?? You think u would remember that extra win? Nope because we got PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaric Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Yeah, no one is suggesting that you start booing Reggie Wayne if he scores a touchdown. That's silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSO Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Whats best for the Colts organization is for the Colts to lose next week. I have no idea what the point in winning next week would do except hurt the Colts chances of getting the #1 pick. Everyone saying that Luck could be a flop, bust etc. using that same logic Manning could just as well play poorly next year. We don't know if Manning will return to the Manning of old.And how many of the previous busts were touted as the best QB prospect since Elway and also were able to be tutored by one of the greatest QBs of all time? none.Go back to 1997, Colts vs. Vikings. Colts win, they would get the #2 pick, Chargers would get the #1 overall pick. Now tell me, do you still root for the Colts knowing they would have potentially gotten Leaf instead of Manning? Rooting against your team for one game in return of a franchise caliber QB for the next decade is not a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husker61 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I believe we have to get Luck because I remember after Unitus we didnt have a QB untill Jones,jones was drafted the same time they traded unitas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB-ColtsFan Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 really...I hope your not as dense as you're coming across. Is it that difficult to undertand that getting the #1 pick is in the best interest of the franchise for 2012 and beyond?I dont expect the fans at the game to boo "their" team....but I would at least hope that most are smart enough to realize that a win, is not in the best interest of the franchise at this point.Not loving the personal attack - let's be civil, we both root for the same team.How are fans supposed to act at the games? Do they sit on their hands when we score?I agree more with the person that roots for Minny and Miami to win out. That way I'm not rooting against my guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfunky14 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I think the problem was a few(silenthill and jaric to name a few) came on here Thursday night and bashed the win and it made a few others quite mad. I understand the Colts can't really gain much from winning but lose more (ie draft pick). At game time, I would think we all root for the Colts, I know I jumped out of my chair after R. Wayne's TD catch and enjoyed the victory against Houston.But there is one thing everyone must remember, these Colts players are still playing for the season, their job, which maybe for the Colts or another team that might need their service next year. Their going to go out and give it there all, so as a fan I will go out and give it my all to root for them. I will let the chips fall after next Sunday and go from there.FromSaid Orlovsky: "I can understand ... everyone saying, you know, 'Is it worth the win?,' everything like that, but to the 53 guys in the locker room, any time we step on the field, we're representing ourselves and our families -- we're playing for our jobs and our livelihoods -- and we're out there competing, we don't know any other way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorColts Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I voted lose and get the first pick. I am not affraid of saying that. It does not make me a bad fan at all, I am a die hard Colts fan and will always be. But if getting Luck will help our team for years to come, then I believe that step needs to be taken. 3-13 means nothing and this QB could be the future for our team. Some have not panned out for teams in the draft, but I believe this guy is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorColts Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Whats best for the Colts organization is for the Colts to lose next week. I have no idea what the point in winning next week would do except hurt the Colts chances of getting the #1 pick. Everyone saying that Luck could be a flop, bust etc. using that same logic Manning could just as well play poorly next year. We don't know if Manning will return to the Manning of old.And how many of the previous busts were touted as the best QB prospect since Elway and also were able to be tutored by one of the greatest QBs of all time? none.Go back to 1997, Colts vs. Vikings. Colts win, they would get the #2 pick, Chargers would get the #1 overall pick. Now tell me, do you still root for the Colts knowing they would have potentially gotten Leaf instead of Manning? Rooting against your team for one game in return of a franchise caliber QB for the next decade is not a bad thing.I could not agree with you more! Very well said!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icf Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Go back to 1997, Colts vs. Vikings. Colts win, they would get the #2 pick, Chargers would get the #1 overall pick. Now tell me, do you still root for the Colts knowing they would have potentially gotten Leaf instead of Manning? Rooting against your team for one game in return of a franchise caliber QB for the next decade is not a bad thing.EXACTLY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacolts56 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 (edited) I think the problem was a few(silenthill and jaric to name a few) came on here Thursday night and bashed the win and it made a few others quite mad. I understand the Colts can't really gain much from winning but lose more (ie draft pick). At game time, I would think we all root for the Colts, I know I jumped out of my chair after R. Wayne's TD catch and enjoyed the victory against Houston.But there is one thing everyone must remember, these Colts players are still playing for the season, their job, which maybe for the Colts or another team that might need their service next year. Their going to go out and give it there all, so as a fan I will go out and give it my all to root for them. I will let the chips fall after next Sunday and go from there.FromSaid Orlovsky: "I can understand ... everyone saying, you know, 'Is it worth the win?,' everything like that, but to the 53 guys in the locker room, any time we step on the field, we're representing ourselves and our families -- we're playing for our jobs and our livelihoods -- and we're out there competing, we don't know any other way."I'm just happy to hear Orlovsky show some fire in his comments about these last few games.I don't know what changed in the last 2 weeks but it would've been nice if more of the other 52 guys fought harder earlier in the season and maybe win 2 or 3 more games.... and in the process not plunge their fan base into this circular firing squad over who to draft or not draft with the 1st pick.Anyway, I respect Orlovsky for acknowledging the disgust and frustration a lot of fans feel and not lashing out at them about it. He might not have the greatest QB skills we've ever seen.... but at least he's willing to take accountability. Edited December 25, 2011 by Maureen Remove crude comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaric Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I think the problem was a few(silenthill and jaric to name a few) came on here Thursday night and bashed the win and it made a few others quite mad. I understand the Colts can't really gain much from winning but lose more (ie draft pick). At game time, I would think we all root for the Colts, I know I jumped out of my chair after R. Wayne's TD catch and enjoyed the victory against Houston.Prove it. Lets see these posts I made Thursday night bashing the win. Point them out, because I'm calling ^cowpatties^ on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy1888 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 who every wants their team to lose needs to hand in their fan card...you worry about the draft at draft time not during the seasonmay I add the last 16 first Rd QBs, 8 had good/decent years, the other 8 were flops....Yeah right.What exactly does a win do next week? Makes us 3-13 instead of 2-14?Do you think the Colts should win every pre season game they play too, or do you not care about that? Next weeks game might as well be pre season. Winning does absolutely nothing, except hurt our draft position.I don't see how anyone who thinks a loss just might be in the best interest of this organizations future is not a real fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Its ok to have the " i dont care" attidude but many of us do care and want the best for our team. The other comment about the "world not ending" is true also. But our team will CHANGE because of what happens next week. In the biggest way since we got Manning. There is no denying that, so I believe we have to get Luck because I remember after Unitus we didnt have a QB untill Jones, and it was a long search untill Manning. I believe If Luck turns out to be 60% of Manning it is worth the loss.I do care but, we play the hand we are dealt. That's all I'm saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Lol turn in my fan card cause i want what's best for this organization that I have rooted for since 1991. My fan card lol. U seem to hold a Peyton manning fan card and just don't want him pushed out if Indy. Everybody on this forum is a colts fan and most likely like the other person said the colts best fans. Not every fan takes time out of there day to Join a forum dedicated to the colts. We r all colts fans and saying otherwise makes me question your fan card and wonder if it's a troll card.Yes we are all fansTalk of turning in your fan card needs to stop. It's inflammatory. them's fighten words for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdacolts67 Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 I do care but, we play the hand we are dealt. That's all I'm saying We control the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Q Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 We control the hand.We as player on the team. If not then we as fans don't control the hand and the players are playing to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadine Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 We control the hand.That's true. But where we differ is on whether or not we should play to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentHill Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 We as player on the team. If not then we as fans don't control the hand and the players are playing to win. Maybe we'll see some 1919 Chicago Black Sox action next Sunday lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGugly Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Let me see.Caldwell plays to win, but.....Painter plays to win, but...Hughes plays to win, but...We have kept them all season. Let 'em play vs Jax so we can really see if we've done the right thing. And I'm sure there are others that need some more seasoning and/or evaluation. Especially under real live "play to win regular season game", not just meaningless game, as preseason is. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlid Posted December 25, 2011 Share Posted December 25, 2011 Every Colts fan that understands anything about the big picture, the draft, and the importance of a franchise QB (which after this year should be all of them but isn't) wants the Colts to lose Sunday. They just don't want to want that for fear of having their fandom questioned. So a lot of people will bleat the idealistic "root for your team in all circumstances" company line. I don't even understand it, rooting for a loss this one week is rooting for the best interest of the franchise. I don't even know how anyone could question that. But at any rate, I will be rooting against the Colts this Sunday. Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, but I take comfort in knowing that win or lose this Sunday, I'll be back to rooting for the Colts as hard as anyone week 1 next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Case Posted December 25, 2011 Author Share Posted December 25, 2011 Every Colts fan that understands anything about the big picture, the draft, and the importance of a franchise QB (which after this year should be all of them but isn't) wants the Colts to lose Sunday. They just don't want to want that for fear of having their fandom questioned. So a lot of people will bleat the idealistic "root for your team in all circumstances" company line. I don't even understand it, rooting for a loss this one week is rooting for the best interest of the franchise. I don't even know how anyone could question that. But at any rate, I will be rooting against the Colts this Sunday. Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, but I take comfort in knowing that win or lose this Sunday, I'll be back to rooting for the Colts as hard as anyone week 1 next seasonWell put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdacolts67 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 We as player on the team. If not then we as fans don't control the hand and the players are playing to win. What? GEEEEEEEEEZE , get a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdacolts67 Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 That's true. But where we differ is on whether or not we should play to win. And thats ok , I have my opinion and you are entitled to yours. Even if your wrong LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeyes Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 50:50 WOW .... I say lose get the #1 and trade it away so we can fill 3-4 holes with quality players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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