Two 6th Round Picks

[indyagent17]

I am sorry if this has been discussed but I just saw that we get Seattle's 6th round pick for Marcus Burley.

 

so we have 2 picks in the round 189-191

[Smonroe]

I am sorry if this has been discussed but I just saw that we get Seattle's 6th round pick for Marcus Burley.

 

so we have 2 picks in the round 189-191

 

We're projected to get a 7th round compensatory also.  I look at those picks as first choices for UDFA's.  Basically, take a shot but don't expect much.

[ProblChld32]

I am sorry if this has been discussed but I just saw that we get Seattle's 6th round pick for Marcus Burley.

 

so we have 2 picks in the round 189-191

 

Nice i had not known, that. we can use all the picks we can get. Never know just might find a GEM with that pick.

[Ja'Crispy]

I am sorry if this has been discussed but I just saw that we get Seattle's 6th round pick for Marcus Burley.

so we have 2 picks in the round 189-191

Thought this place was going to explode after that trade.

[TKnight24]

The more picks the better, I don't put much stock into the "It's the 6th & 7th rounds, these guys will be lucky to survive the first cuts"

Plenty of UDFA who turn into good players, so why can't a late drafted player do the same?

It's all about having a good scouting group

Grigson has to knock this off season outta the park like a Barry Bonds HomeRun

[TKnight24]

Thought this place was going to explode after that trade.

Didn't like the trade, but not big enough to have me head hunting

I just don't understand how J. Gordy is still on the team. Burely was better than him. Gordy seriously has to go

[Boiler_Colt]

Always nice to have multiple picks like this. You can take a chance on some potential late round gems or use them as part of a package to trade up. 

[Smonroe]

Just for reference, in the Grigson era the Colts have had 9 draft picks in the 6th and 7th round. Brazil and Jackson made the 53 and played. I'm not sure if Cunningham ever got in a game. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think any of the others made the team, or are still on it, except for PS or IR.

This is not a judgement, just putting it out there.

[aaron11]

i wonder what the odds are for a 6th rounder to ever see the field, let alone turn into a real contributor

[rickybobby]

Hi guys, long time lurker first time poster... I wanted to post last year when the Colts picked up Kerwin Williams, as I thought the Colts finally found someone to answer long time special teams problems. I think his success in Arizona are an indication he still might have had he gotten a better look. Anyway, as a USU season ticket holder and alum I love my Aggies.

Speaking of 6th round guys I would love for the Colts to take a look at Zack Vigil an ILB from USU. He can provide some good depth at linebacker and he may surprise some people fwiw.

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/zach-vigil?id=2552324

 

He's also mentioned in this article from Charles Davis...

 

"A quick note on some players that didn't make list but definitely stood out -- the West team's linebackers have been the most impressive position group I've seen all week. Kansas' Ben Heeney, Utah State's Zach Vigil and Stanford's A.J. Tarpley and James Vaughters are all terrific space players, and it's not a surprise given the number of big-time aerial attacks that call the Pac-12 and Big 12 home. Now, on to the list."

[dgambill]

Just to give people an idea of who we have taken in the 6th rd last several years

 

2014 Andrew Jackson LB

2013 John Boyett S

2012 Levon Brazill WR

2011 Chris Rucker CB

2010 NONE

2009 Curtis Painter QB (our hero lol)

2008 Pierre Garcon WR (Compensatory pick)

2008 Steve Justice C 

2008 Mike Hart RB

2008 Tom Santi TE

2007 NONE

2006 Antoine Bethea S

2006 Charlie Johnson T

 

So as you can see there is a possibility of having extra picks here that perhaps we get lucky. Garcon and Bethea were both big parts of our teams identity in the Peyton era. Also we picked up Robert Mathis in the 5th rd and Pat Mcafee in the 7th so it goes to show their can be quality still on the board if we identify the right player. I'm not saying we will get a future pro bowler but having multiple picks gives us a little flexability to maybe get someone we are targeting.

[Smonroe]

i wonder what the odds are for a 6th rounder to ever see the field, let alone turn into a real contributor

It's actually not that low. I remember seeing an article that looked at every teams 6th round picks and broke them up into different categories. Made the team, started at least one game, etc.. It was an old article that looked at about ten years worth of data. The Colts did pretty well in the Polian days.

Of course, Brady is always brought up as the 6th round poster boy. But that's sort of like hitting the lottery.

[Bluefire4]

Didn't like the trade, but not big enough to have me head hunting

I just don't understand how J. Gordy is still on the team. Burely was better than him. Gordy seriously has to go

I think Gordy is a FA this year so we won't have to worry about that.

[TKnight24]

Just to give people an idea of who we have taken in the 6th rd last several years

2014 Andrew Jackson LB

2013 John Boyett S

2012 Levon Brazill WR

2011 Chris Rucker CB

2010 NONE

2009 Curtis Painter QB (our hero lol)

2008 Pierre Garcon WR (Compensatory pick)

2008 Steve Justice C

2008 Mike Hart RB

2008 Tom Santi TE

2007 NONE

2006 Antoine Bethea S

2006 Charlie Johnson T

So as you can see there is a possibility of having extra picks here that perhaps we get lucky. Garcon and Bethea were both big parts of our teams identity in the Peyton era. Also we picked up Robert Mathis in the 5th rd and Pat Mcafee in the 7th so it goes to show their can be quality still on the board if we identify the right player. I'm not saying we will get a future pro bowler but having multiple picks gives us a little flexability to maybe get someone we are targeting.

You can't include Pat! No one but the Jags take punters in early rounds

[ponyboy]

You can't include Pat! No one but the Jags take punters in early rounds

 

I don't think it would ever happen again, but the Raiders did spend a 1st round pick on punter Ray Guy in 1973.   The Raiders used for 1st round pick for their current kicker too, Sabastian Janikowski in 2000.

[Coffeedrinker]

Just to give people an idea of who we have taken in the 6th rd last several years

 

2014 Andrew Jackson LB

2013 John Boyett S

2012 Levon Brazill WR

2011 Chris Rucker CB

2010 NONE

2009 Curtis Painter QB (our hero lol)

2008 Pierre Garcon WR (Compensatory pick)

2008 Steve Justice C 

2008 Mike Hart RB

2008 Tom Santi TE

2007 NONE

2006 Antoine Bethea S

2006 Charlie Johnson T

 

So as you can see there is a possibility of having extra picks here that perhaps we get lucky. Garcon and Bethea were both big parts of our teams identity in the Peyton era. Also we picked up Robert Mathis in the 5th rd and Pat Mcafee in the 7th so it goes to show their can be quality still on the board if we identify the right player. I'm not saying we will get a future pro bowler but having multiple picks gives us a little flexability to maybe get someone we are targeting.

Thanks for the list.  Two things are clear:, one the 6th round is obviously where Grigs likes to take chances on players with character concerns and two, it has not worked out for him and the Colts... he's 0-3 on the 6th round picks.

 

So now he has two picks to waste .  Before all the people that act like Grigs can do no wrong chill... I don't mind him taking chances with 6th round picks.

[DougDew]

So, including the possible 7th round comp, that makes 4 picks in the really late part of the draft.

Looks like the perfect time to draft 4 RBs and see which ones stick.

[TKnight24]

So, including the possible 7th round comp, that makes 4 picks in the really late part of the draft.

Looks like the perfect time to draft 4 RBs and see which ones stick.

.......... ?

Draft 2 safeties, a offensive linemen, & a WR with the last 4 picks

[TKnight24]

I don't think it would ever happen again, but the Raiders did spend a 1st round pick on punter Ray Guy in 1973. The Raiders used for 1st round pick for their current kicker too, Sabastian Janikowski in 2000.

Wasn't even thought of in 1973 & wasn't into football in 2000 lol

[csmopar]

i wonder what the odds are for a 6th rounder to ever see the field, let alone turn into a real contributor

No clue but was Bethea a 6th rounder?

[DougDew]

.......... ?

Draft 2 safeties, a offensive linemen, & a WR with the last 4 picks

My comment of drafting 4 RBs with those last 4 picks was sort of sarcasm. But...CJ Anderson did well with Denver and Jonas Gray looked pretty good against us...both UDFAs. Herron was an UDFA.

I think there is something to be said for a late round RB having a better chance of being a successful NFL caliber rotational guy than almost any other position. The Colts can use 2 RBs frankly.

[Smonroe]

I don't think it would ever happen again, but the Raiders did spend a 1st round pick on punter Ray Guy in 1973.   The Raiders used for 1st round pick for their current kicker too, Sabastian Janikowski in 2000.

 

And both were excellent selections based on how they worked out.

[TKnight24]

My comment of drafting 4 RBs with those last 4 picks was sort of sarcasm. But...CJ Anderson did well with Denver and Jonas Gray looked pretty good against us...both UDFAs. Herron was an UDFA.

I think there is something to be said for a late round RB having a better chance of being a successful NFL caliber rotational guy than almost any other position. The Colts can use 2 RBs frankly.

You can't use the Colts run defense as an example! Colts don't have a run defense!

Both those guys made the Run D look sill. Especially Gray, and then the play CJ made when Landry the worthless body builder & others missed an easy open field tackle in the back field

Bad examples Doug!!!

[In Luck We Trust]

Just for reference, in the Grigson era the Colts have had 9 draft picks in the 6th and 7th round. Brazil and Jackson made the 53 and played. I'm not sure if Cunningham ever got in a game. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think any of the others made the team, or are still on it, except for PS or IR.

This is not a judgement, just putting it out there.

ballard was a 6th rounder as well and if it were not for the injuries he would still be our starter. he had a heck of a rookie year. 

[DougDew]

You can't use the Colts run defense as an example! Colts don't have a run defense!

Both those guys made the Run D look sill. Especially Gray, and then the play CJ made when Landry the worthless body builder & others missed an easy open field tackle in the back field

Bad examples Doug!!!

I'll give you Gray, but Anderson and Herron were both pretty good all year. I don't see why drafting RBs in the 3rd 4th or 5th would automatically provide much more production than drafting some in the 6th and 7th..

I don't have time to run down every teams roster, but I'll bet other teams have UDFA RBs on their team. Wasn't Justin Forsett a UDFA?

[AntonMcG]

Just to give people an idea of who we have taken in the 6th rd last several years

 

2014 Andrew Jackson LB

2013 John Boyett S

2012 Levon Brazill WR

2011 Chris Rucker CB

2010 NONE

2009 Curtis Painter QB (our hero lol)

2008 Pierre Garcon WR (Compensatory pick)

2008 Steve Justice C 

2008 Mike Hart RB

2008 Tom Santi TE

2007 NONE

2006 Antoine Bethea S

2006 Charlie Johnson T

 

So as you can see there is a possibility of having extra picks here that perhaps we get lucky. Garcon and Bethea were both big parts of our teams identity in the Peyton era. Also we picked up Robert Mathis in the 5th rd and Pat Mcafee in the 7th so it goes to show their can be quality still on the board if we identify the right player. I'm not saying we will get a future pro bowler but having multiple picks gives us a little flexability to maybe get someone we are targeting.

 

How come Mike Hart hasn't become the best running back in football yet?

[Smonroe]

ballard was a 6th rounder as well and if it were not for the injuries he would still be our starter. he had a heck of a rookie year. 

 

Ballard was a 5th round pick.  It's your opinion that he'd be a starter.  "IF" is a big word.

 

Ballard was an average back, decent, but nothing special.  I hope he makes it back and can compete for a job but I'd take Boom before him.

[TKnight24]

I'll give you Gray, but Anderson and Herron were both pretty good all year. I don't automatically see why drafting RBs in the 3rd 4th or 5th would provide much more production than drafting some in the 6th and 7th..

Well drafting Melvin Gordon would be better than drafting someone like TJ Yeldon, but I get your point

My perspective on RB's is you can find any RB long as they have vision & don't fumble. Build the offensive line, that's all you need to do.

Cowboys took that route, they can have anyone run behind that line. May not bring the big play ability that Murray had, but would still be productive behind that line

[DougDew]

My perspective on RB's is you can find any RB long as they have vision & don't fumble. Build the offensive line, that's all you need to do.

I agree, and have...at least 4.6 speed and the ability to make one tackler miss...can't go down the first time hit.

In the NFL, the ability to recognize the blitz and lay a shoulder into a blitzer with some physicality and leverage.

Superior physical talent is not really needed, IMO.

[Smonroe]

Well drafting Melvin Gordon would be better than drafting someone like TJ Yeldon, but I get your point

My perspective on RB's is you can find any RB long as they have vision & don't fumble. Build the offensive line, that's all you need to do.

Cowboys took that route, they can have anyone run behind that line. May not bring the big play ability that Murray had, but would still be productive behind that line

I've been saying this for years. It's okay to over draft for linemen, or over pay if he's a legit star FA. Jerry Jones did that right. Ball control. Imagine Andrew with a strong running game, they couldn't blitz as much or double our wideouts.

As far as Gordon, he had less than 3 ypc against Ohio State. Yeldon, near 5. You have to look at these guys against their top competition. Not that I'm advocating either. I hope we go either OL or LB early.

[TKnight24]

I agree, and have...at least 4.6 speed and the ability to make one tackler miss...can't go down the first time hit.

In the NFL, the ability to recognize the blitz and lay a shoulder into a blitzer with some physicality and leverage.

Superior physical talent is not really needed, IMO.

Exactly. The Patriots, Panthers, Chargers, & Browns (This Year) have proven that you don't need superstar RB's to have a successful running game. The RB by committee approach works just fine

That's what the Colts need. You have a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ QB in Andrew, just give him a running game. Had a RB by committee at Stanford, worked well there. Let's try it here, I have a hunch it may just actually work

[TKnight24]

I've been saying this for years. It's okay to over draft for linemen, or over pay if he's a legit star FA. Jerry Jones did that right. Ball control. Imagine Andrew with a strong running game, they couldn't blitz as much or double our wideouts.

As far as Gordon, he had less than 3 ypc against Ohio State. Yeldon, near 5. You have to look at these guys against their top competition. Not that I'm advocating either. I hope we go either OL or LB early.

I'm pulling for Cameron Irving to come off the board when we pick

[VaAllDay757]

How come Mike Hart hasn't become the best running back in football yet?

Because he was a poor man's donald brown

[Defjamz26]

It's just been really bad luck with 6th and 7th round picks lately. Brazil blew his own shot, but he was a poor man's T.Y. in a good way when he played. Jackson really could've been the ILB of the future but couldn't stay away from the booze. John Boyett....once again the booze. Vick Ballard was a 5th round steal until his injuries. No he's probably done.  No one expects much from 7th rounders but Harnish was just really terrible and Cunningham never had a chance with Fleener and Allen. Still hope for John  though.

 

It's not that Grigson can't identify good talent late, because he can. It's just something always seems to go wrong with the player. If we have 2 6th's and end up with an extra 7th, I'd be intrigued to see who we get.

[Hoosiernsavga]

Exactly. The Patriots, Panthers, Chargers, & Browns (This Year) have proven that you don't need superstar RB's to have a successful running game. The RB by committee approach works just fine

That's what the Colts need. You have a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ QB in Andrew, just give him a running game. Had a RB by committee at Stanford, worked well there. Let's try it here, I have a hunch it may just actually work

I understand what your saying, but I would only put the Pats in that category. Mathews was a first rd draft pick for the Chargers. Williams and Stewart were both first rd picks and were once the highest paid rb duo in the league for the Panthers. West was a third rd draft pick and was one of the best backs coming out last year for the Browns. Yes they do use rb's by committee but they were/are highly graded and payed well.

[TKnight24]

I understand what your saying, but I would only put the Pats in that category. Mathews was a first rd draft pick for the Chargers. Williams and Stewart were both first rd picks and were once the highest paid rb duo in the league for the Panthers. West was a third rd draft pick and was one of the best backs coming out last year for the Browns. Yes they do use rb's by committee but they were/are highly graded and payed well.

Matthews hasn't lived up to his 1st round Pick. Fumbles & Injuries, too many of them

Panthers RB is debatable. Once upon a time they were the best duo in the NFL, but lately they've been above average at best. Thus the release of Williams

[Hoosiernsavga]

Matthews hasn't lived up to his 1st round Pick. Fumbles & Injuries, too many of them

Panthers RB is debatable. Once upon a time they were the best duo in the NFL, but lately they've been above average at best. Thus the release of Williams

I agree, I was just stating the high investments they have in their rb's compared to the Pats who pick up Blount off waivers mid way through the season and he is the starter. Just a big difference

[JPFolks]

The more picks the better, I don't put much stock into the "It's the 6th & 7th rounds, these guys will be lucky to survive the first cuts"

Plenty of UDFA who turn into good players, so why can't a late drafted player do the same?

It's all about having a good scouting group

Grigson has to knock this off season outta the park like a Barry Bonds HomeRun

Interesting.. Like a Barry Bonds Home Run... so I guess you're saying CHEAT?  =)  (just joking around, I got your point). 

[TKnight24]

Interesting.. Like a Barry Bonds Home Run... so I guess you're saying CHEAT? =) (just joking around, I got your point).

Hey, cheating worked for the

Maybe we need to try it

[JPFolks]

I don't think it would ever happen again, but the Raiders did spend a 1st round pick on punter Ray Guy in 1973.   The Raiders used for 1st round pick for their current kicker too, Sabastian Janikowski in 2000.

Well, at least they hit the "kicker" lottery with each pick... was there some sort of frenzy over both of them?