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It's a good job Eli isn't half the QB Big Ben is. I don't think the Giants have the firepower to match that performance, or come close. This is one of the tamer offenses we will face all season in my opinion.

Half? I think if you look at all the numbers, records and career you will see there is not much difference. Both with 2 super bowl wins. Eli has two super bowl MVPs while Ben had the worst QB outing in super bowl history for a winning QB. Eli holds quite a few more collage records than Ben. I guess it all depends on how you look at things. Ben has benefitted from having  better defensive teams than Eli. I looked at the records and the numbers and they seen to be real close. So IMO I don't think Eli is half of a Ben.

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I was worried about the Steelers game and I am worried about this game as well... The Giants are just one of those teams that when you think this is a game the Colts should they get smacked down.... I really hope this team bounces back well after the shalacking they took in the Burg.

 

I would like to see the run game get going early to wear down the D line.  I think that is something we were missing last week due to falling behind so quickly. 

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It's a good job Eli isn't half the QB Big Ben is. I don't think the Giants have the firepower to match that performance, or come close. This is one of the tamer offenses we will face all season in my opinion.

 

Eli and the Giants are hard to read.  They can look like the best offense in the NFL one week and look like the Raiders the next.  

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Hi ladies and fellas,

 

Giants fan here! As Valpo said, the Giants are impossible to read. One week we can put up 45 points, the next week we get shut out. This game worries me because of how high octane the Colts' offense is, and the inability of the Giants to protect against the big play. They've been slacking in run defense the last couple weeks as well. TY Hilton will create some problems in the slot I think since Thurmond and McBride are out and we have Hosley playing now (which has NEVER worked out for us.)

 

But Eli has been having quite a season. The loss of Cruz hurts a ton, but Eli makes due with what he has. Beckham has been what we expected and more, Donnell and the TE's have been a pleasant surprise. The running game is lackluster, and they seem to be set on sticking with it even when it doesn't work. It seems they don't want to give Eli the ball in key situations right now to avoid the turnovers. I think the offense should be better than it has been if they were more aggressive. 

 

Here's to hoping we have an injury free, close and exciting game! Good luck Colts fans.

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What he saw when he scouted the forums...

 

THE+SKY+IS+FALLING_SURF+AMBASSADOR+HENDO

I don't think it's been that bad around here. A few of the usual suspects, but after a loss like we saw last week, it's perfectly understandable for people to ask questions and point to glaring weaknesses. I think some people get too carried away with labeling others as Chicken Little for merely acknowledging issues with the team. IMO, taunting people for criticisms isn't any better than the people freaking out. 

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Half? I think if you look at all the numbers, records and career you will see there is not much difference. Both with 2 super bowl wins. Eli has two super bowl MVPs while Ben had the worst QB outing in super bowl history for a winning QB. Eli holds quite a few more collage records than Ben. I guess it all depends on how you look at things. Ben has benefitted from having  better defensive teams than Eli. I looked at the records and the numbers and they seen to be real close. So IMO I don't think Eli is half of a Ben.

I could have sworn a half of a Ben is Ulysses S Grant......OOPS...too early for bad humor.:)

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Hi ladies and fellas,

 

Giants fan here! As Valpo said, the Giants are impossible to read. One week we can put up 45 points, the next week we get shut out. This game worries me because of how high octane the Colts' offense is, and the inability of the Giants to protect against the big play. They've been slacking in run defense the last couple weeks as well. TY Hilton will create some problems in the slot I think since Thurmond and McBride are out and we have Hosley playing now (which has NEVER worked out for us.)

 

But Eli has been having quite a season. The loss of Cruz hurts a ton, but Eli makes due with what he has. Beckham has been what we expected and more, Donnell and the TE's have been a pleasant surprise. The running game is lackluster, and they seem to be set on sticking with it even when it doesn't work. It seems they don't want to give Eli the ball in key situations right now to avoid the turnovers. I think the offense should be better than it has been if they were more aggressive. 

 

Here's to hoping we have an injury free, close and exciting game! Good luck Colts fans.

Welcome to the forum, pull up a chair and stay a while. Many other sports teams fans do :funny:

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I don't think it's been that bad around here. A few of the usual suspects, but after a loss like we saw last week, it's perfectly understandable for people to ask questions and point to glaring weaknesses. I think some people get too carried away with labeling others as Chicken Little for merely acknowledging issues with the team. IMO, taunting people for criticisms isn't any better than the people freaking out. 

 

Very true, my post was somewhat tongue in cheek.. however I do think it's more than a few usual suspects when the team loses, quite a lot of knee jerk stuff was hidden and locked so maybe it didn't seem as bad?

 

Nothing wrong with asking valid questions and debating where things went wrong/right, but equally there are people who just live to bash. 

 

I can't speak for other posters, but if someone posts a concern/criticism with some obvious thought behind it then even I don't agree with it I can respect it.

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I don't think it's been that bad around here. A few of the usual suspects, but after a loss like we saw last week, it's perfectly understandable for people to ask questions and point to glaring weaknesses. I think some people get too carried away with labeling others as Chicken Little for merely acknowledging issues with the team. IMO, taunting people for criticisms isn't any better than the people freaking out. 

Amen.  Pretending everything is wonderful, when clearly it isn't is rather silly.  The team has potential for greatness, but it also has the potential to crash in a heaping mass of molten metal.  We'll see which one shows up on Monday night, but I am not going to step out on a limb and suggest greatness at this time.  Perhaps later.....

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Hi ladies and fellas,

 

Giants fan here! As Valpo said, the Giants are impossible to read. One week we can put up 45 points, the next week we get shut out. This game worries me because of how high octane the Colts' offense is, and the inability of the Giants to protect against the big play. They've been slacking in run defense the last couple weeks as well. TY Hilton will create some problems in the slot I think since Thurmond and McBride are out and we have Hosley playing now (which has NEVER worked out for us.)

 

But Eli has been having quite a season. The loss of Cruz hurts a ton, but Eli makes due with what he has. Beckham has been what we expected and more, Donnell and the TE's have been a pleasant surprise. The running game is lackluster, and they seem to be set on sticking with it even when it doesn't work. It seems they don't want to give Eli the ball in key situations right now to avoid the turnovers. I think the offense should be better than it has been if they were more aggressive. 

 

Here's to hoping we have an injury free, close and exciting game! Good luck Colts fans.

The key to the Giants remains can they run the ball.  Just when Jennings went down, it looked like they had figured out McAdoo's offensive scheme.  The other key for the Giants is can they get pressure on Luck just using the Front 4.  If the giants have to blitz and can't get home, you don't have the secondary to stop the Colts.

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Amen.  Pretending everything is wonderful, when clearly it isn't is rather silly.  The team has potential for greatness, but it also has the potential to crash in a heaping mass of molten metal.  We'll see which one shows up on Monday night, but I am not going to step out on a limb and suggest greatness at this time.  Perhaps later.....

 

So the rumours that Bjorn is a Terminator are true :P 

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Very true, my post was somewhat tongue in cheek.. however I do think it's more than a few usual suspects when the team loses, quite a lot of knee jerk stuff was hidden and locked so maybe it didn't seem as bad?

 

Nothing wrong with asking valid questions and debating where things went wrong/right, but equally there are people who just live to bash. 

 

I can't speak for other posters, but if someone posts a concern/criticism with some obvious thought behind it then even I don't agree with it I can respect it.

To be clear, I didn't mean to aim my post at you. When I see a member with 53 posts going off on a hateful tirade, obviously succumbing to emotion, I pay it little mind. Sadly, the people that go overboard with their emotionally stunted rants grind on some posters, and thus cause said posters to rail against any "negativity" posted.

 

I make no bones about it. I criticize objectively while maintaining a level perspective. I even kept my cool in 2011, as hard as that was. 

 

I do see a lot of crap "negativity" threads get locked. I think it would be far more impactful if people would just ignore these threads. But, as flies are drawn to piles of steaming poo, people are drawn to troll threads. 

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To be clear, I didn't mean to aim my post at you. When I see a member with 53 posts going off on a hateful tirade, obviously succumbing to emotion, I pay it little mind. Sadly, the people that go overboard with their emotionally stunted rants grind on some posters, and thus cause said posters to rail against any "negativity" posted.

 

I make no bones about it. I criticize objectively while maintaining a level perspective. I even kept my cool in 2011, as hard as that was. 

 

I do see a lot of crap "negativity" threads get locked. I think it would be far more impactful if people would just ignore these threads. But, as flies are drawn to piles of steaming poo, people are drawn to troll threads. 

 

Ah no worries pal, I didn't take your post personally at all, I agree with you but unfortunately as is the rule in life a minority can ruin it for the majority.

 

I'll come clean, I've been waiting for an opportunity to post a picture of a cat wearing a chicken hat for a while now :P 

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The key to the Giants remains can they run the ball.  Just when Jennings went down, it looked like they had figured out McAdoo's offensive scheme.  The other key for the Giants is can they get pressure on Luck just using the Front 4.  If the giants have to blitz and can't get home, you don't have the secondary to stop the Colts.

I agree. Like I said, the running game has been lackluster with Williams in there, he isn't a patient runner and just looks for the home run every time, but he's been working on that over the bye week supposedly. We need to get pressure on Luck with the front 4 because Fewell is afraid of blitzing, or just doesn't know what it means to blitz. Usually gets burned every time he does it anyway!

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As we can see clearly in the picture above from the Preseason game with NY, Andrew Luck was getting great protection from his line. Look at how much separation Nicks is getting from the DB!!! 

 

this is the hard hitting football analysis I've been hoping for.

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Half? I think if you look at all the numbers, records and career you will see there is not much difference. Both with 2 super bowl wins. Eli has two super bowl MVPs while Ben had the worst QB outing in super bowl history for a winning QB. Eli holds quite a few more collage records than Ben. I guess it all depends on how you look at things. Ben has benefitted from having  better defensive teams than Eli. I looked at the records and the numbers and they seen to be real close. So IMO I don't think Eli is half of a Ben.

I would have agree with you maybe 3 or 4 years ago.  But once Ben has received an actual OC who turned him into a QB I don't think it is as close as you make it.  Ben has evolved into a playmaker from the pocket as well as on the run, and they have weapons in Pit now that are extremely underrated in Bell and Brown.

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I would have agree with you maybe 3 or 4 years ago.  But once Ben has received an actual OC who turned him into a QB I don't think it is as close as you make it.  Ben has evolved into a playmaker from the pocket as well as on the run, and they have weapons in Pit now that are extremely underrated in Bell and Brown.

So Bruce Arians wasn't his OC before?

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So Bruce Arians wasn't his OC before?

 

Yes ... thats my point...

 

Arian's while a great and awesome HC has a horrible offensive philosophy that gets chunks of yards and big plays but no consistency nor efficiency out of the QB position.  Throwing to a RB is completely out of the question and leave the QB more often than not being hit every play because of the time consuming routes that the offense employs.  Haley while not even half the HC Arian's is, could be twice the OC that Arians is.

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Yes ... thats my point...

 

Arian's while a great and awesome HC has a horrible offensive philosophy that gets chunks of yards and big plays but no consistency nor efficiency out of the QB position.  Throwing to a RB is completely out of the question and leave the QB more often than not being hit every play because of the time consuming routes that the offense employs.  Haley while not even half the HC Arian's is, could be twice the OC that Arians is.

I could be wrong but I seem to remember that Ben and Haley were having great problems. You mentioned over the last 3 or 4 years? Steelers have gone 8-8 the last 2 seasons after going 12-4 the year before.

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Yes ... thats my point...

 

Arian's while a great and awesome HC has a horrible offensive philosophy that gets chunks of yards and big plays but no consistency nor efficiency out of the QB position.  Throwing to a RB is completely out of the question and leave the QB more often than not being hit every play because of the time consuming routes that the offense employs.  Haley while not even half the HC Arian's is, could be twice the OC that Arians is.

As of last week Ben was the second most sacked in the NFL and everything else is so wrong it's comical look at the stats

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I could be wrong but I seem to remember that Ben and Haley were having great problems. You mentioned over the last 3 or 4 years? Steelers have gone 8-8 the last 2 seasons after going 12-4 the year before.

 

They were having great problems.  It was just natural.  Arians let Ben play undisciplined ball and Haley wanted Ben to become a pocket passer.  It was a clash of 2 opposing forces, so by nature they had conflict.  The record has nothing to do with offensive production but more to do with mismanagement of the team in relation to aging players.  Ben produced a "high market" free agent in Mike Wallace, and started really synchronizing with AB.  Until Bell (who was hurt last year) the offense depended heavily on AB and sort of lived and died with him.  Now they are starting to have multiple weapons and the offense is really clicking.

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As of last week Ben was the second most sacked in the NFL and everything else is so wrong it's comical look at the stats

I will agree with you that the sack number is higher this year.  I have no explanation, but what else is wrong with my post?  They have had a healthy Ben the past 3 years unlike the first however many with Arians.  Ben's TD to INT ratio has gone up and completion percentage...  What numbers are you referring to?  They may not be drastic improvements but if you look at the context of the games played in comparison to the stats you can clearly see this offense is making Ben an actual QB instead of a backyard baller.  There is a reason why under Arians Ben had possibly one of the worst outing a QB has ever had in Superbowl history...  Also look at our own QB...  Luck has had drastic improvement in completion percentage and interceptions last year were outstanding.  Yes Arians is great for slinging the ball, I would just like for my QB to actually know how to play the QB position and utilize check-downs instead of gunsling it every single play. 

 

Steelers fans are extremely unappreciative of Haley, but the most important thing that man has done is keep Ben upright and not hurt with 100 misc. injuries. 

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