Cassius Vaughn

[tony1287]

I don't know how some people feel about it but I think Vaughn did a good job returning kicks last night averaging roughly 29 yards a return I think. More explosive than david reed I'll say.. I don't hate reed by the way I just think vaughn looked more comfortable back there. Possibly a change there??

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

I don't know how some people feel about it but I think Vaughn did a good job returning kicks last night averaging roughly 29 yards a return I think. More explosive than david reed I'll say.. I don't hate reed by the way I just think vaughn looked more comfortable back there. Possibly a change there??

I agree.  I think Vaughn should keep the job over Reed.  Vaughn isn't great, but I think Reed is just a wasted roster spot at this point.

[PrincetonTiger]

CV's play made Reed's spot available with the Reggie injury and possible injury to Samson

[BrentMc11]

Still do not like his CB play....scary bad...he and Gordy are abysmal.

 

Reed needs to go...what a waste IMO...

Vaughn  has made good decisions as a returner....Reed...Notso much 

[21isSuperman]

I agree.  I think Reed lost his job last night.  When Vaughn returned, he actually got it passed the 20 yard line.  Reed fields it frmo 9 yards deep in his own endzone and takes it out to the 15

[deadman]

He's better as a returner than a CB for sure.

[In Luck We Trust]

I don't know how some people feel about it but I think Vaughn did a good job returning kicks last night averaging roughly 29 yards a return I think. More explosive than david reed I'll say.. I don't hate reed by the way I just think vaughn looked more comfortable back there. Possibly a change there??

i dont care if he stays on ST just gotta get him away from playing CB lol. 

[Dark Superman]

I don't know how some people feel about it but I think Vaughn did a good job returning kicks last night averaging roughly 29 yards a return I think. More explosive than david reed I'll say.. I don't hate reed by the way I just think vaughn looked more comfortable back there. Possibly a change there??

He did a little too much trash talking for my liking..

[ColtsFanMikeC]

I called it, when Davis had to come out with a limp on that play that D. Thomas was going to light up Cassius -- sure enough 1 play against him and he was in the endzone with a TD. 

 

I think Cassius is fine as a 4 or 5 DB -- I think with Vontae we have a top 3-5 #1 CB in the league -- Toler is an adequate #2, and Butler has shined in the slot (maybe a top 3 slot CB). 

 

Unfortunately, if any one of those 3 go down it means Cassius comes on the field and (especially against a team like DEN) he is a major liability on the field in coverage.

[Dustin]

I called it, when Davis had to come out with a limp on that play that D. Thomas was going to light up Cassius -- sure enough 1 play against him and he was in the endzone with a TD. 

 

I think Cassius is fine as a 4 or 5 DB -- I think with Vontae we have a top 3-5 #1 CB in the league -- Toler is an adequate #2, and Butler has shined in the slot (maybe a top 3 slot CB). 

 

Unfortunately, if any one of those 3 go down it means Cassius comes on the field and (especially against a team like DEN) he is a major liability on the field in coverage.

 

I thought Butler was on DT on that touchdown?

[cbear]

He still shouldn't be returning kicks past maybe 5 yards deep.  Deeper than that and you will need to maintain a 28-29 yard average just to start at the 20.  Doesn't make sense unless you're Hester or Cribbs in their prime.

[coltsfanatic24]

We should move up Sheldon Price from the practice squad because both Vaughn and Gordy can't cover and both are undersized.

[ColtsFanMikeC]

I thought Butler was on DT on that touchdown?

Am just about positive that it was Vaughn... it seemed like we kept Butler in the slot on Welker all game and when toler or davis was out that Vaughn would match up on the outside

[HtownColt]

Manning gave Vaughn a gift wrapped int and what he do? He mistimes his jump and Decker catches it...typical Cassius lol

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

I called it, when Davis had to come out with a limp on that play that D. Thomas was going to light up Cassius -- sure enough 1 play against him and he was in the endzone with a TD. 

 

I think Cassius is fine as a 4 or 5 DB -- I think with Vontae we have a top 3-5 #1 CB in the league -- Toler is an adequate #2, and Butler has shined in the slot (maybe a top 3 slot CB). 

 

Unfortunately, if any one of those 3 go down it means Cassius comes on the field and (especially against a team like DEN) he is a major liability on the field in coverage.

Vaughn the more he plays the better he gets as a CB, honestly this year he hasn't had a lot of time. I like that he is a hitter but he is more of a cover 2 guy than a man guy. A little to stiff, but he tries hard & the more he played last year the better he got. He really is 4/5 CB though. Gordy I thought was outplayed in pre season but they like his man skills for some reason. Hopefully none of the injuries are serious!

[ColtsLegacy]

Am just about positive that it was Vaughn... it seemed like we kept Butler in the slot on Welker all game and when toler or davis was out that Vaughn would match up on the outside

I am absolutely positive the DT TD was on Darius Butler (and Landry), not Vaughn.

[Albaby]

Still do not like his CB play....scary bad...he and Gordy are abysmal.

 

Reed needs to go...what a waste IMO...

Vaughn  has made good decisions as a returner....Reed...Notso much 

Reed is listed as a WR.  How is he at that position?  Considering the teams need.  I can't imagine him as really good or else, that's what he'd be doing instead of kick returns.  I'm just wondering as a stop gap type player.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I called it, when Davis had to come out with a limp on that play that D. Thomas was going to light up Cassius -- sure enough 1 play against him and he was in the endzone with a TD. 

 

I think Cassius is fine as a 4 or 5 DB -- I think with Vontae we have a top 3-5 #1 CB in the league -- Toler is an adequate #2, and Butler has shined in the slot (maybe a top 3 slot CB). 

 

Unfortunately, if any one of those 3 go down it means Cassius comes on the field and (especially against a team like DEN) he is a major liability on the field in coverage.

looked more like Landry didn't play his zone

[BrentMc11]

Reed is listed as a WR.  How is he at that position?  Considering the teams need.  I can't imagine him as really good or else, that's what he'd be doing instead of kick returns.  I'm just wondering as a stop gap type player.

Not too much to go on...looks like 5 receptions with BLT....not too impressive IMO....

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedDa00.htm

[ColtsLegacy]

looked more like Landry didn't play his zone

So you're going to blame Landry (ss) here and not the CB when last week on nearly an identical play you blamed Vontae (cb) when everyone was telling you it was Howell (ss). That's hilarious.

[Albaby]

Not too much to go on...looks like 5 receptions with BLT....not too impressive IMO....

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedDa00.htm

Maybe the Colts should just kick him to the curb?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

So you're going to blame Landry (ss) here and not the CB when last week on nearly an identical play you blamed Vontae (cb) when everyone was telling you it was Howell (ss). That's hilarious.

rewatching the play that is certainly not cover 2, if a zone at all. Not very similar plays...

[BrentMc11]

Maybe the Colts should just kick him to the curb?

That is my philosophy  When you have others that can do the one job he is 'supposed' to do well.

[ColtsLegacy]

rewatching the play that is certainly not cover 2, if a zone at all. Not very similar plays...

, you're a piece of work, friend.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

, you're a piece of work, friend.

In my honest non troll opinion I don't think that was cover 2 because of the way the corner followed him from the middle to the outside

[ColtsLegacy]

In my honest non troll opinion I don't think that was cover 2 because of the way the corner followed him from the middle to the outside

Both plays were man coverage with 2 deep safeties and the safeties gave no help and in the Howell play vs Chargers, Howell not only didn't help, he got in the way. That's how I saw it and seemingly everyone but you.

[ColtsFanMikeC]

I thought Butler was on DT on that touchdown?

you are correct.

[Coltswarriors]

Yup. Vaughn > Reed on KRs.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Both plays were man coverage with 2 deep safeties and the safeties gave no help and in the Howell play vs Chargers, Howell not only didn't help, he got in the way. That's how I saw it and seemingly everyone but you.

Really? Because it seems like everyone pointed out to me that the last td was in a cover 2...

[ColtsLegacy]

Really? Because it seems like everyone pointed out to me that the last td was in a cover 2...

Did I not say 2 deep safeties with man coverage? That's Cover 2 Man.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Did I not say 2 deep safeties with man coverage? That's Cover 2 Man.

Im talking about cover 2 zone which is what people were telling me last week. If it was cover 2 man than even more responsibility goes to the cb as its "MAN" coverage. 

[ColtsLegacy]

Im talking about cover 2 zone which is what people were telling me last week. If it was cover 2 man than even more responsibility goes to the cb as its "MAN" coverage.

what the hell would a CB be doing 35+ yards down field in Cover 2 Zone?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

what the heck would a CB be doing 35+ yards down field in Cover 2 Zone?

The heck should I know, that's what those people were telling me.The reason why I placed more responsibility on the corner than the safety is strictly because it was man...

[ColtsLegacy]

The heck should I know, that's what those people were telling me.The reason why I placed more responsibility on the corner than the safety is strictly because it was man...

They clearly weren't in Cover 2 Zone anyone with very basic understanding of coverages could see that. Let's get back to the original point, why did you blame the SS this week while last week you blamed the CB on essentially the same play with the same coverage?

Could it be you were wrong?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

They clearly weren't in Cover 2 Zone anyone with very basic understanding of coverages could see that. Let's get back to the original point, why did you blame the SS this week while last week you blamed the CB on essentially the same play with the same coverage?

Could it be you were wrong?

It very well could be that i'm wrong, but no ones the coach here... last weeks route was just a straight up deep route where all's Davis had to do was stick with his guy. This week Thomas started in the middle and shook off Butler(I think) by faking an out route, than cutting it deep. Both situations the safety puts help over the top but last week Imo Davis could have stuck with him because he just needed to run straight, and this week Butler whom i don't expect to be able to keep in line with Thomas especially with that fake has a much more difficult time staying with his man. In situation 1 corner Davis should have been able to keep with his man, situation 2 i expect Landry to not play it so far up since Butler is in a bad position. Just for clarification I blame both Davis and Howell for last weeks bone head play, just this week i put the blame more so on Landry and last week on Davis.

 

Also i did this so I wouldn't be attacked by people on here, but it happened anyways so go figure...

[ColtsLegacy]

It very well could be that i'm wrong, but no ones the coach here... last weeks route was just a straight up deep route where all's Davis had to do was stick with his guy. This week Thomas started in the middle and shook off Butler(I think) by faking an out route, than cutting it deep. Both situations the safety puts help over the top but last week Imo Davis could have stuck with him because he just needed to run straight, and this week Butler whom i don't expect to be able to keep in line with Thomas especially with that fake has a much more difficult time staying with his man. In situation 1 corner Davis should have been able to keep with his man, situation 2 i expect Landry to not play it so far up since Butler is in a bad position. Just for clarification I blame both Davis and Howell for last weeks bone head play, just this week i put the blame more so on Landry and last week on Davis.

Also i did this so I wouldn't be attacked by people on here, but it happened anyways so go figure...

I'm not attacking you, I'm just curious on why you flip flopped after your "You vs. Forum" last week.

I'd argue that last week Howell was more at fault because he cut Vontae off and then failed to make a play as for this week Butler just got burned and Landry wasn't there to help so I'd say they were equally at fault.

We can agree to disagree, though. No need to beat a dead horse any more than we have.

[BrentMc11]

The heck should I know, that's what those people were telling me.The reason why I placed more responsibility on the corner than the safety is strictly because it was man...

People told me that Peyton Manning was washed up and a noodle arm....should I go on what they say?  Just saying.  Study and ask questions.  

 

You obviously love the Colts, and we enjoy your contributions here too!  I am in no way slamming you here

 

I'm not attacking you, I'm just curious on why you flip flopped after your "You vs. Forum" last week.

I'd argue that last week Howell was more at fault because he cut Vontae off and then failed to make a play as for this week Butler just got burned and Landry wasn't there to help so I'd say they were equally at fault.

We can agree to disagree, though. No need to beat a dead horse any more than we have.

You did a nice job of explaining.  

[Jason_]

The heck should I know, that's what those people were telling me.The reason why I placed more responsibility on the corner than the safety is strictly because it was man...

 

Just because it's Man coverage doesn't mean that giving up a completion was the CB's fault.  In Cover 2 Man, the CB plays underneath and the safety plays over the top.  If the completion is given up over the top then the blame typically goes to the safety that was supposed to be playing deep.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Just because it's Man coverage doesn't mean that giving up a completion was the CB's fault.  In Cover 2 Man, the CB plays underneath and the safety plays over the top.  If the completion is given up over the top then the blame typically goes to the safety that was supposed to be playing deep.

looking back at it Williams owned Davis on some type of swim looking move near the end. Whatever I am glad Davis came to play the other day. 

[Jason_]

looking back at it Williams owned Davis on some type of swim looking move near the end. Whatever I am glad Davis came to play the other day. 

 

Davis has come to play every week.  Even if you want to put that play on Davis, every great CB gives up a play from time to time.