Adam Schefter Thinks We Should Trade (Merge)

[deedub75]

Mathis and Wayne for 4th round picks. I tend to agree with him a bit. Both are in final contract year and both will want to get a big payday. There is also a chance that if they don't get what they want, another team could sign them away and Colts get nothing. I say get as many picks as you can and shore up the defense.

[chad72]

We will probably get more for them via compensatory picks than in a trade, so let them play their contracts out. If we get a 3rd rounder for Wayne, I am all for it. Mathis has less mileage and should get the nod for the payday over Wayne, IMO, if I HAD to choose.

Any new contract for Wayne should be heavily incentive based. Plus, let us not forget - Garcon might be playing for his next contract and Garcon along with Gonzo are in the last contract year as well. So, that is why it might be wise to wait it out till the end of this year to see how things unfold. Otherwise, it would be a case of buying a new house without making arrangements to sell your current one and end up with 2 mortgages (kinda like letting Lilja go without an adequate back up plan).

Edited October 13, 2011 by chad72

[jackbutton96]

I think they ought to try to find a team interested in both of them and package them for a 1st or high 2nd, if they can get it... I definitely wouldn't let them go for two 4th round picks though... I would probably go for two 3rd round picks though, cause we could trade those for a higher pick.

[oldunclemark]

Pardon me...but who is Adam Schefter..?

[John Waylon]

I seriously doubt we re-sign Wayne. He wants more money, and we should still remember that Marvin Harrison thing form a few years back. I doubt we'll be willing to give him what he wants. Dunno what we'd get compensatory-wise for him though, so that's kind of a tough call.

[Balzer40]

I would have no problem if they decided to trade them. I like them both but I don't think they will be worth the money to resign them to big contracts.

[mz1888]

Hopefully we will franchise or sign Mathis..... With both Wayne and Garcon free agents, we will only be keeping one of them. No way we should trade either for picks especially for a fourth round pick.........

[pacolts56]

Pardon me...but who is Adam Schefter..?

Some snot-nosed kid at ESPN rotfl

[austriancolt]

If I have to choose I would take Mathis over Wayne. It's easier to get a good WR than a good DE.

[oldunclemark]

Some snot-nosed kid at ESPN rotfl

Is everyone addicted to ESPN, Paco? :slaphead:

[jskinnz]

I think they ought to try to find a team interested in both of them and package them for a 1st or high 2nd, if they can get it... I definitely wouldn't let them go for two 4th round picks though... I would probably go for two 3rd round picks though, cause we could trade those for a higher pick.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

There is no way that Wayne & Mathis, either individually or collectively, would garner a 1st round pick.

[NM_Colts]

Is everyone addicted to ESPN, Paco? :slaphead:

He used to be on NFLN prior to going to ESPN. Prior to that he was a sports reporter in Denver. I don't watch him now that he's on ESPN but do follow his Twitter feed for news as he's pretty accurate.

[John Waylon]

Pardon me...but who is Adam Schefter..?

Is everyone addicted to ESPN, Paco? :slaphead:

I'm starting to find that is the only appropriate response to anything you post...

Edited October 13, 2011 by John Waylon

[indy_nick]

Some snot-nosed kid at ESPN rotfl

rofl...well played.

[Jason_]

I think they ought to try to find a team interested in both of them and package them for a 1st or high 2nd, if they can get it... I definitely wouldn't let them go for two 4th round picks though... I would probably go for two 3rd round picks though, cause we could trade those for a higher pick.

Agreed, especially considering this deal would likely be to a team who considers themselves to have a chance this year and needs immediate help...I'd rather package them together for one higher round and one lower round pick than let them go individually for 4th's.

[indy_nick]

I'm starting to find that is the only appropriate response to anything you post...

agreed..... ....I thought everyone could at least use :google:

[Coltsagent]

Are you guys crazy? You want to trade 2 of our BEST players? The Wayne vs Harrison...not the same, Marvin went down on that block and was never the same, Reggie has been one of the most reliable receivers in the NFL for years. For Mathis...did you happen to catch R. Brocks words about Mathis on the "NFL Top 100 Players" that played on the NFLN...Mathis is a leader on that D and "sets the tone for the entire D". So you want to get rid of our most productive offensive weapon AND get rid of the guy with the most hustle on D?

Why dont you get rid of the players that DO NOT perform?

[Balzer40]

Are you guys crazy? You want to trade 2 of our BEST players? The Wayne vs Harrison...not the same, Marvin went down on that block and was never the same, Reggie has been one of the most reliable receivers in the NFL for years. For Mathis...did you happen to catch R. Brocks words about Mathis on the "NFL Top 100 Players" that played on the NFLN...Mathis is a leader on that D and "sets the tone for the entire D". So you want to get rid of our most productive offensive weapon AND get rid of the guy with the most hustle on D?

Why dont you get rid of the players that DO NOT perform?

Well, Thats pretty easy. Those guy's wouldn't get us anything in return. Wayne and Mathis are both free agents after the season and could easily decide to go elsewhere if they wanted too. Why not trade them and get picks to get younger guys in here when you have the opportunity?

[John Waylon]

agreed..... ....I thought everyone could at least use :google:

It's kinda sad he'd even have to google it. It's not like he's some analyst that gets called in when keyshawn johnson is too busy being mediocre... He was the NFL's top reporter for a long time before going to ESPN to be their top NFL reporter.

In my mind that just goes to show what oldunclemark knows, and what he thinks he knows. To be an intelligent fan of the NFL and have no idea who Schefter is isn't very encouraging at all. A quick check of OLM's posts seem to support the theory as well.

[John Waylon]

Why dont you get rid of the players that DO NOT perform?

Yeah, lets put jacob lacey and terrance johnson up for trades and see how many teams beat the door down to send us something in return for them......

[oldunclemark]

Why does someone at ESPN's opinion matter...when he seems to be suggesting something that's crazy

[Happy2BeHere]

You trade them to get some value for them. I live in Utah and that's exactly what the Utah Jazz did with their star guard Deron Williams...they got a first round pick and a first round picked player from that year of the draft. I think it was one of the smartest moves they could make...Williams wasn't indicating a willingness to re-sign with the team and if he did he would want a max deal...thus the Jazz traded him off and got some killer value for him.

I know from a fan's stand point it sucks to think about, but from a business stand point it's a brilliant move...but I doubt the Colts will do any of the above..they will just sit quietly and the deadline will probably pass without a single move from them.

[John Waylon]

Why does someone at ESPN's opinion matter...when he seems to be suggesting something that's crazy

Kinda like someone who thinks we should bring in Andy Reid and Michael Vick and start Donald Brown based on something he did nearly a year ago?

[oldunclemark]

try reading.....I never said I wanted Reid....why would you?

..and Brown starts Sunday...

....he's done well when he's healthy just like Joe Addai...

[Coltsagent]

Of course you would not get anything for Lacey & Johnson, that was not the point. I dont understand the logic behind replacing production with potential. Why do you replace someone who is performing at a high level with a draft pick that MAY perform? I dont get it, Mathis and Wayne are not trending down.

[Jason_]

Of course you would not get anything for Lacey & Johnson, that was not the point. I dont understand the logic behind replacing production with potential. Why do you replace someone who is performing at a high level with a draft pick that MAY perform? I dont get it, Mathis and Wayne are not trending down.

the one reason to do this is the fact that they're both FA's at the end of the year and they're both going to be signing what will most likely be their last pro contract. We have to evaluate and try to figure out how much money each one will want and in turn be worth, and whether or not we would be able to retain both of them. If there's a chance we can't I'd rather trade them now to a team who might be willing to pay a little more than they should out of desperation. If we do let them walk at the end of the year, then we would likely get a compensatory pick but what round it would be in will vary depending on several factors so could be anywhere from the 3rd round (I believe the 3rd is the highest round for a compensatory pick and it would be at the very end of the round) down to the 7th.

[theking213]

but I doubt the Colts will do any of the above..they will just sit quietly and the deadline will probably pass without a single move from them.

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Edited October 13, 2011 by theking213

[Flash7]

You have to ask yourself, what difference would they make to the team THIS year. At this point, we are 0-5 with them playing, which is unfortunate. I like Mathis and Wayne, but there is no guarantee that they will be around next year. you can either take a gamble and hope that they stay with the team next year at a reasonable salary, or you can get something tangible in return. I would like for the front office to find a way to keep both of them, but that may not happen.

[doogansquest]

Why does someone at ESPN's opinion matter...when he seems to be suggesting something that's crazy

Their opinion doesn't necessarily matter to everyone, but Adam Schefter is one of the consensus gurus of all things NFL. He not only gets tons of inside information, he understands the business end of the NFL better than perhaps anyone.

[JoKeR]

I absolutely hate this idea. They are corner stones of the Colts and he's saying trade them for 4th round picks over fear that they might not resign. If Polian does this I would be highly suspicious that he's tanking on purpose. since its nearly impossible to get players to tank, he'll have to get the best players off the field.

To be honest im mad even hearing a rumor like this.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

We will probably get more for them via compensatory picks than in a trade, so let them play their contracts out. If we get a 3rd rounder for Wayne, I am all for it. Mathis has less mileage and should get the nod for the payday over Wayne, IMO, if I HAD to choose.

Any new contract for Wayne should be heavily incentive based. Plus, let us not forget - Garcon might be playing for his next contract and Garcon along with Gonzo are in the last contract year as well. So, that is why it might be wise to wait it out till the end of this year to see how things unfold. Otherwise, it would be a case of buying a new house without making arrangements to sell your current one and end up with 2 mortgages (kinda like letting Lilja go without an adequate back up plan).

Chad is again CORRECT

[alfred87]

I say lets pay big bucks to mathis if ppl claim he is our best D player and franchise Wayne and give him one more year WITH Peyton as his starting QB and make him earn his new contract

[Balzer40]

I absolutely hate this idea. They are corner stones of the Colts and he's saying trade them for 4th round picks over fear that they might not resign. If Polian does this I would be highly suspicious that he's tanking on purpose. since its nearly impossible to get players to tank, he'll have to get the best players off the field.

To be honest im mad even hearing a rumor like this.

You don't need to get angry about it. There is no way Polian would do it anyway. I myself, would not mind the idea, although, I would like to get at least 2 - 3rd rder's for them. I do not like the idea of having to give them long term big money contracts after the season to get them to stay here.

[husker61]

i am sure both players are unrestricted free agents, and the colts would get nothing if they sign with another team.

[husker61]

Hopefully we will franchise or sign Mathis..... With both Wayne and Garcon free agents, we will only be keeping one of them. No way we should trade either for picks especially for a fourth round pick.........

no way mathis is payed $13 million/year. that's what would happen if he is franchised.

[MTC]

If Wayne or Mathis gets traded, I will be livid.

[husker61]

Meanwhile, back on planet earth...

There is no way that Wayne & Mathis, either individually or collectively, would garner a 1st round pick.

exactly!

some team is going to give up a 1st round pick for players that can walk away after this year and they get nothing.

[SanAntonioColt]

You have to ask yourself, what difference would they make to the team THIS year. At this point, we are 0-5 with them playing, which is unfortunate. I like Mathis and Wayne, but there is no guarantee that they will be around next year. you can either take a gamble and hope that they stay with the team next year at a reasonable salary, or you can get something tangible in return. I would like for the front office to find a way to keep both of them, but that may not happen.

You are correct. Since FA came into the NFL, teams must be nimble. Sometimes that means trading or releasing players who have been productive. The dreaded Patties are a case in point.

[Jason_]

exactly!

some team is going to give up a 1st round pick for players that can walk away after this year and they get nothing.

The colts would likely get a compensatory pick for each one I believe in the 2013 draft, and the round would be determined by their playing time and impact to the new team vs. the same for any FA's we bring in this coming offseason.

i am sure both players are unrestricted free agents, and the colts would get nothing if they sign with another team.

Prior to finalizing a trade, any potential trade partner would be allowed the opportunity to talk to both Wayne and Mathis so that they can workout a new contract. That's how teams safeguard themselves when trading for a player who will wind up an UFA the following offseason. This is also one thing that could keep them from being packaged to the same team.

[Balzer40]

You are correct. Since FA came into the NFL, teams must be nimble. Sometimes that means trading or releasing players who have been productive. The dreaded Patties are a case in point.

Right, Although I absolutely loathe the Pats, they have never been scared to trade aging players that will want a ton of money to resign. As fans, sometimes we get caught up with sentimental feelings for players and feel like the team should keep them out of sheer loyalty. People need to remember this is nothing more than just a business to the owners and sometimes they need to make wise business decisions. With all that said, I still say the Colts will not trade either of these guys because I think the Colts are one of the few teams that do show loyalty to a fault.