Aaron Hernandez might be arrested in connection with murder (might not be)

[Gramz]

I really frown on statements like that personally. As the lawyers in my family always say "Tell me, what does a guilty person really look like or an innocent one for that matter?" Let's not get carried away with conjecture & unfounded accusations with no basis in fact please. Thank you. JMO. 

I have three lawyers in my family, SW1.   I know how it works....   If you have nothing to hide,  you cooperate...  and you don't destroy evidence, etc....

[John Dee]

No doubt...  this dude has his hands dirty...   how dirty?   Time will tell.

When I am 100% innocent/uninvolved I typically don't smash my cellphone, destroy my home security that records video, and have a cleaning crew make my house spotless, all before an investigation breaks out.

Guilty people often do guilty things. My dog can attest to that fact lol.

[ruksak]

Anyone else think it's more than just a coincidence that this civil suit involving shooting his friend in the face is going public at the same time this murder comes out?  I wonder if they are somehow connected.

It's no coincidence. Apparently the kid (AH) likes to toy around with guns. As someone that has carried a firearm for over 20 years, I take them very seriously. They aren't to be joked around with. They aren't to be an extension of your bravado. 

[ruksak]

I have three lawyers in my family, SW1.   I know how it works....   If you have nothing to hide,  you cooperate...  and you don't destroy evidence, etc....

Well...I can understand telling the cops to go pound sand, keeping silent and shutting them out if they're stepping to you the wrong way, making threats and aggressive accusations. I would certainly put up a wall to investigators if they took the wrong attitude with me, even if I was 100% innocent and had no idea what they were going on about.

 

Innocent people tell the cops to get bent all the time. 

 

But what Hernandez is doing, all these weird little things, that's a bit different. He's hiding something, and one needs not be a detective to figure that out. 

[southwest1]

"The investigator, and other law enforcement sources, confirmed that the security system - which included video surveillance - was smashed intentionally.

And a cell phone used by Hernandez was handed over to investigators "in pieces'' by his attorneys, the sources said.

Police also want to know why a team of house cleaners were hired on Monday to scrub Hernandez's mansion, sources told ABC News."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aaron-hernandez-destroyed-home-security-system-phone-sources/story?id=19445131#.UcNH9X1dVoO

I will admit that destroying surveillance equipment & cell phones doesn't portray Mr. Hernandez in the best possible light, but that's hardly proof of Odin Lloyd's murder at the hands of Aaron's. Former VP Dick Cheney shot a friend in the face on a hunting accident probably while intoxicated & he was never arrested or charged with a crime either. Until you find the gun & get a ballistics match, the prosecution doesn't exactly have an iron clad case against Hernandez IMO. 

[southwest1]

I have three lawyers in my family, SW1.   I know how it works....   If you have nothing to hide,  you cooperate...  and you don't destroy evidence, etc....

You've never been the target of an overzealous prosecutor who wants to make a name for themselves by crushing your legal rights because members of my family sure have been. Sorry, but I don't automatically believe everything law enforcement personnel blindly tells me either. 

[shakedownstreet]

I really frown on statements like that personally. As the lawyers in my family always say "Tell me, what does a guilty person really look like or an innocent one for that matter?" Let's not get carried away with conjecture & unfounded accusations with no basis in fact please. Thank you. JMO. 

 

that's all well & good for law enforcement & the courts, but we commonfolk have a right to form whatever opinions we like

[Gramz]

You've never been the target on a prosecutor who wants to make a name for themselves by crushing your legal rights because members of my family sure have been. 

and you know this about me, how...???   Did you ever stop to think, that maybe, in fact I had...???   And maybe,  just maybe  I cooperated, gave them everything they asked for, maintained my innocence... was truthful,  and the truth paid off...??   And maybe that is why I feel so strongly in my stance..??   just sayin'

[John Dee]

Aaron H is in str8 up panic mode right now.     He is grasping at straws.   If he is "involved" in any way he is hit.  

 

Too much technology now a days.     

[John Dee]

Don't judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoes... 

 

Somebody said it...     hehehe..

[ReMeDy]

FYI- Gronk is expected back before the end of pre-season. AND the Pats have six other TEs on the roster. Bill is never surprised and always has plan B in his back pocket...

 

Even if he does return, the guy has a knack for getting re-injured. My guess is he gets struck with the injury bug again before the playoffs.

[Cynjin]

and you know this about me, how...???   Did you ever stop to think, that maybe, in fact I had...???   And maybe,  just maybe  I cooperated, gave them everything they asked for, maintained my innocence... was truthful,  and the truth paid off...??   And maybe that is why I feel so strongly in my stance..??   just sayin'

 

I am just glad SW1 is not using conjecture.

[ruksak]

You've never been the target of an overzealous prosecutor who wants to make a name for themselves by crushing your legal rights because members of my family sure have been. Sorry, but I don't automatically believe everything law enforcement personnel blindly tells me either. 

Prosecutors are notorious for setting aside whether or not not a person is actually guilty and focusing more on getting the "win". Once you're indited/charged, they don't care if you're actually innocent and they'll fight it, even in the face of overwhelming proof of innocence. The Prosecutor position is an elected office, one garnered strictly from their W/L record. 

 

However, this thing with AH, man he's buggin out like he straight screwed up big time. 

 

Innocent people act defensively, sometimes angrily so. Guilty people act coy and offensively. Such as, preemptive maneuvers to cover tracks (destroying security equipment, cell phones, cleaning services etc). 

[southwest1]

When I am 100% innocent/uninvolved I typically don't smash my cellphone, destroy my home security that records video, and have a cleaning crew make my house spotless, all before an investigation breaks out.

Guilty people often do guilty things. My dog can attest to that fact lol.

True, but why do some many people assume that all law enforcement personnel are above board & always beyond reproach? Remember, district attorneys have the entire police force, corners, & top forensics specialists at their disposal vs. 1 defense attorney. If Hernandez is guilty, the evidence will bear that out. I'm just not ready to symbolically convict Mr. Hernandez right now. Let due process run it's course. Thank you. 

[deedub75]

I will admit that destroying surveillance equipment & cell phones doesn't portray Mr. Hernandez in the best possible light, but that's hardly proof of Odin Lloyd's murder at the hands of Aaron's. Former VP Dick Cheney shot a friend in the face on a hunting accident probably while intoxicated & he was never arrested or charged with a crime either. Until you find the gun & get a ballistics match, the prosecution doesn't exactly have an iron clad case against Hernandez IMO. 

 

A possible hunting accident and an execution style shooting in the back of a victim's head have nothing in common.  Cheney was never arrested or charged because it was considered an accident.  No one knows if he was drunk or not because witnesses said he had a beer 4 or 5 hours before the shooting occurred. 

 

Hernandez knows what happened to Odin Lloyd which is why he is trying so hard to cover things up.  He may or may not have pulled the trigger but he is definitely guilty of obstruction of justice at the very least. 

[southwest1]

and you know this about me, how...???   Did you ever stop to think, that maybe, in fact I had...???   And maybe,  just maybe  I cooperated, gave them everything they asked for, maintained my innocence... was truthful,  and the truth paid off...??   And maybe that is why I feel so strongly in my stance..??   just sayin'

No, I can't read minds that is true Gramz. But, if you've ever been the subject of a prosecutor who wants to convict a person of an act they did not commit, proving your innocence can cost you a heavy toll financially & psychologically that's all I saying because I have lived through it personally with all due respect. 

 

I am not trying to upset anyone here at all. But, being at the other side of the justice is never unpleasant either. I respect you Gramz & I apologize if I offended you in any way, shape, or form my friend.

[amfootball]

You said Hoodie always has a Plan B. Point is, just because he has one doesn't make it worth a fart.

But, hey, you got Tebow.

Sure it does to anyone who follows football.

[House]

True, but why do some many people assume that all law enforcement personnel are above board & always beyond reproach? Remember, district attorneys have the entire police force, corners, & top forensics specialists at their disposal vs. 1 defense attorney. If Hernandez is guilty, the evidence will bear that out. I'm just not ready to symbolically convict Mr. Hernandez right now. Let due process run it's course. Thank you.

I've stated multiple times in this thread I want to see how it all plays out before casting my personal judgment.

However, I also think that with what we know right now, it's fair to say he's acting a little sketchy. I wouldn't destroy my phone or my security system unless there was something on it that was damaging to me. So it's hard, with these actions in mind, to say he's behaving innocently, because he's really not. Even though when its all said and done he could be judged innocent in a court of law.

[southwest1]

A possible hunting accident and an execution style shooting in the back of a victim's head have nothing in common.  Cheney was never arrested or charged because it was considered an accident.  No one knows if he was drunk or not because witnesses said he had a beer 4 or 5 hours before the shooting occurred. 

 

Hernandez knows what happened to Odin Lloyd which is why he is trying so hard to cover things up.  He may or may not have pulled the trigger but he is definitely guilty of obstruction of justice at the very least. 

Sorry that is not accurate. Cheney was never talked to personally by police or given a breathalyzer. He used his position of Vice President of the United States to avoid being interviewed by the police about the matter & the matter henceforth was completely dropped. 

[shakedownstreet]

i'm sure the police are manipulating the press here to make hernandez look as bad as possible. and we are basing our opinions on that manipulation

 

in the end, there may be plausible explanations for everything. but what does it matter... we are just nobodies discussing the situation presented to us

 

it's not as if we are the judge, jury, and executioner

[amfootball]

AH has been charged with nothing ... let's see this all play out. At the very least he needs new friends/associates.

[House]

it's not as if we are the judge, jury, and executioner

Are you telling me I bought this black executioner hood for nothing?

[deedub75]

Sorry that is not accurate. Cheney was never talked to personally by police or given a breathalyzer. He used his position of Vice President of the United States to avoid being interviewed by the police about the matter & the matter henceforth was completely dropped. 

 

Cheney was interviewed by a sheriff deputy and a report was released. 

[amfootball]

No, I can't read minds that is true Gramz. But, if you've ever been the subject of a prosecutor who wants to convict a person of an act they did not commit, proving your innocence can cost you a heavy toll financially & psychologically that's all I saying because I have lived through it personally with all due respect. 

 

I am not trying to upset anyone here at all. But, being at the other side of the justice is never unpleasant either. I respect you Gramz & I apologize if I offended you in any way, shape, or form my friend.

There sure are a lot of you that have been in trouble with the law .. no judgment but just sayin...

[southwest1]

Cheney was interviewed by a sheriff deputy and a report was released. 

Trust me, if alcohol was consumed & a firearm accident resulted that lead to a friend being shot in the face, a breathalyzer would be administered. No breathalyzer was ever administered sir. Public intoxication alleged or otherwise is never ignored simply do to a person's job, rank, or high ranking occupation in Washington, D.C. 

[southwest1]

There sure are a lot of you that have been in trouble with the law .. no judgment but just sayin...

1 person's trouble maker is another person's liberator i.e. American Revolutionary amfootball...Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin etc. etc. 

[ruksak]

Cheney was interviewed by a sheriff deputy and a report was released. 

suuuure he was........ *wink wink

 

Being buddies with the Attorney General probably had zero bearing on the repercussions. 

 

We all saw how those cops surrounded and protected that drunk piece of garbage cop that killed that motorcyclist a few years back here in Indy. They even sent the piece of garbage to a clinic for a breathalyzer instead of a hospital, knowing that the result would be inadmissible.

 

That's just a low level city cop and we saw the variety of protection he enjoyed. 

[BOTT]

There sure are a lot of you that have been in trouble with the law .. no judgment but just sayin...

Colts fans are straight gangsta......

[ruksak]

There sure are a lot of you that have been in trouble with the law .. no judgment but just sayin...

You'll never catch me.....I'm the gingerbread man

[amfootball]

AH fell to the fourth round because of character issues at Florida. It is clear he is a first round talent. But I wonder if the Pats no longer have the leaders in the locker room to manage these type of players? The defense is very young and now the O is too. There is more behind the Tebow signing than people think ... never under estimate the influence of leadership among boys.

[Blackhawk4]

Hoped he wasn't pulling a Harvin Marrison and it looks like he is...ESPN will probably have an E:60 episode on him before the regular season starts.

[Qwiz]

Either he's guilty as sin and trying to hide something,or, he's just messin with the cops. The way this issue heated up so fast, I'm starting to think he's just another example of a young man that couldn't break ties with old friends who are up to no good. Drugs will be at the bottom of this caper, I betcha.

If he's just messing around with the cops then he better learn that there's a time and place to be a smart alec. This situation isn't it.

[southwest1]

Colts fans are straight gangsta......

Unlike an Oakland Raiders altercation a while back, no division rival fan will get shot naturally, but Colts fans are just well informed of their rights legally & they simply know how & when to exercise those rights through the proper channels of lawful protocol & protections.

 

Your line did make me LOL BOTT! I will admit that.      

[Dustin]

Apparently they've recovered the camera footage and it shows Hernandez and the victim leaving, with only Hernandez returning.

I don't have a source for this at the moment so take it for what you will.

[Gramz]

There sure are a lot of you that have been in trouble with the law .. no judgment but just sayin...

For the record..... I've never once been in trouble with the law...   

 

Just trying to make a point, earlier....    

 

I do believe he is acting very bizarre,   does that mean he  is  guilty..     he may or may not be....  The truth will come out.

[Dustin]

Hernandez' neighbor said that he returned home after they heard gunshots.

[Jay Kirk]

True, but why do some many people assume that all law enforcement personnel are above board & always beyond reproach? Remember, district attorneys have the entire police force, corners, & top forensics specialists at their disposal vs. 1 defense attorney. If Hernandez is guilty, the evidence will bear that out. I'm just not ready to symbolically convict Mr. Hernandez right now. Let due process run it's course. Thank you.

Unfortionately your right on this Brother,some of them twist the law to the"yr benefit,to make themselves look good.Same everywhere you have great officers,and some are rotten to the core.

[southwest1]

I am just glad SW1 is not using conjecture.

Trust me, what happened to me is very real &, much to my chagrin, no conjecture was involved. I wish I didn't have to experience what I endured, but I assure you it was not a comical life experience. Laugh all you want sir, but that level of overzealous abuse of authority is never fun to be on the receiving end of Cynjin or anyone else who liked that post. [Post #92]. 

[Jay Kirk]

Personally I think he could be protecting someone else

[Gramz]

Personally I think he could be protecting someone else

If that is the case, that is still obstructing justice...