Peyton always makes the running game work...

[bap1331]

Has anyone noticed that? Besides Moreno, he made edge, Joseph addai great and cj Anderson, and the other guy from denver.

Is it his audibles? Does he have a special way of training them maybe? We can't say it's just the oline because the rb has to have good vision to find the holes and explosiveness.

Can't blame luck for the bad luck with his rb's but had he worked with boom Herron since training camp last season, things would have been different against the pats maybe and the playoffs were the worst time to test that with different teams.

Really interested in gore but concerned about the oline for the most part. 49ers have a great oline to make way for gore but nothing but my fingers crossed for another great gore season.

[Caleb3502]

I'd count Moreno as well since he had a 1,000 yard season and 10 rush TDs.

[Superman]

From 2008 to 2010, we had a bad rushing attack. Mostly due to changes on the offensive line and RB injuries. But the point is that Manning doesn't just make a run game work. 

[MTC]

Has anyone noticed that? Besides Moreno, he made edge, Joseph addai great and cj Anderson, and the other guy from denver.

Is it his audibles? Does he have a special way of training them maybe? We can't say it's just the oline because the rb has to have good vision to find the holes and explosiveness.

Can't blame luck for the bad luck with his rb's but had he worked with boom Herron since training camp last season, things would have been different against the pats maybe and the playoffs were the worst time to test that with different teams.

Really interested in gore but concerned about the oline for the most part. 49ers have a great oline to make way for gore but nothing but my fingers crossed for another great gore season.

 

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[Jules]

I often have felt Manning goes away from the run a lot too often in big games. 2009 vs. the Saints was a big one to me. We should have kept running the ball. There were previous playoff games with Edge too I felt we could have used him a lot more often then we did.

 

And even in this past playoff game when we beat Denver I think they didn't run it enough since his arm was obviously weakening during the game.

 

So while yes some Manning teams have had decent enough running games but I never felt like it was always used enough or correctly in big games.

[BOTT]

He made Edge? Yeah, had nothing to do with James being a stud running back who could do it all.

[Qwiz]

I don't think that's how it works. PM is good but I don't think his presence will automatically make any rushing attack good.

[Synthetic]

He makes the running game work until he stops running it. 

 

 

Just look at the SB vs the Saints. Addai ran 100 yards in that game and he quit running it and went Marino mode.

 

Same thing vs the Colts in the playoffs the past season. He quit running it despite his lack of arm strength and the run was working. 

[Valpo2004]

I don't think that's how it works. PM is good but I don't think his presence will automatically make any rushing attack good.

 

I don't know that he necessarily makes it good per se. . . But you have to figure that defenses being more worried about PM's throwing then the rushing attack causes the defenses to adjust in a way that reduces the men in the box and gives the RB a better opportunity.

 

On top of that it also helps that he likely checks into running plays when he see's an undermanned box.  

 

He doesn't make the O-line better blockers or the RB a better RB.  But he does scare the defense out of the box a lot and he does check into running plays when they do abandon the box.  

[aaron11]

 he made edge,

no, he was going to be good regardless

[chad72]

I often have felt Manning goes away from the run a lot too often in big games. 2009 vs. the Saints was a big one to me. We should have kept running the ball. There were previous playoff games with Edge too I felt we could have used him a lot more often then we did.

 

And even in this past playoff game when we beat Denver I think they didn't run it enough since his arm was obviously weakening during the game.

 

So while yes some Manning teams have had decent enough running games but I never felt like it was always used enough or correctly in big games.

 

I agree with his. Peyton is impatient to give the run a chance at times. Colts vs Seahawks in 2013, Seahawks lead 12-0 in the first quarter, Luck was fine to punt and stayed patient and did not force it. As the game went on, we survived the Seahawks' initial defensive onslaught, got used to the speed of their D, and Luck started breaking containment and then T.Y.Hilton happened.

 

Peyton's Broncos in the SB vs the Seahawks - it was just 8-0 for the longest time, if the Broncos stayed patient and not (eventually) gone 78-22 in favor of the pass playing into the Seahawks' strengths compounding their mistakes with turnovers, they might have had a chance. They may still not have won but with the Seahawks, it is always a 60 minute game and you cannot play east-west relying on YAC because they are an outstanding tackling team. The coaching and game planning was extremely inferior too as highlighted in the next SB. The Pats' wideouts, even if it was small gains fell forward north-south because they knew they were not getting YAC vs the Seahawks. The Pats did not panic and played a 60 minute game in the SB, much like the Colts did vs the Seahawks in 2013. It does not help that Peyton, if his wide outs are disrupted, does not have the arm strength like a Rodgers and Brady to overcome it, or can break containment like a Luck or Rodgers when teams like the Seahawks just rush four thus relying on disruption followed by coverage. To be fair though, that Seahawks' 2013 D was far more healthy and better than the 2014 Seahawks' D.

 

The lack of patience and an urge to make things happen by himself has been Peyton's undoing in several playoff games and thus leads to more turnovers and predictability as the game goes on.

[Qwiz]

I don't know that he necessarily makes it good per se. . . But you have to figure that defenses being more worried about PM's throwing then the rushing attack causes the defenses to adjust in a way that reduces the men in the box and gives the RB a better opportunity.

On top of that it also helps that he likely checks into running plays when he see's an undermanned box.

He doesn't make the O-line better blockers or the RB a better RB. But he does scare the defense out of the box a lot and he does check into running plays when they do abandon the box.

Of course, that's a given, as any good quarterback will do. OP is making it sound like he can turn any regular joe into a Hall of Famer though, which is what everyone is disagreeing with.

[Gramz]

Of course, that's a given, as any good quarterback will do. OP is making it sound like he can turn any regular joe into a Hall of Famer though, which is what everyone is disagreeing with.

I think he's definitely helped more than a few WR's careers. Don't necessarily agree with the RB's.

[Qwiz]

I think he's definitely helped more than a few WR's careers. Don't necessarily agree with the RB's.

Yep. It's much more accurate to say that a great QB can make a receiver good bc the two work together directly to score and gain yards.

[Restored]

I agree with his. Peyton is impatient to give the run a chance at times. Colts vs Seahawks in 2013, Seahawks lead 12-0 in the first quarter, Luck was fine to punt and stayed patient and did not force it. As the game went on, we survived the Seahawks' initial defensive onslaught, got used to the speed of their D, and Luck started breaking containment and then T.Y.Hilton happened.

 

Peyton's Broncos in the SB vs the Seahawks - it was just 8-0 for the longest time, if the Broncos stayed patient and not (eventually) gone 78-22 in favor of the pass playing into the Seahawks' strengths compounding their mistakes with turnovers, they might have had a chance. They may still not have won but with the Seahawks, it is always a 60 minute game and you cannot play east-west relying on YAC because they are an outstanding tackling team. The coaching and game planning was extremely inferior too as highlighted in the next SB. The Pats' wideouts, even if it was small gains fell forward north-south because they knew they were not getting YAC vs the Seahawks. The Pats did not panic and played a 60 minute game in the SB, much like the Colts did vs the Seahawks in 2013. It does not help that Peyton, if his wide outs are disrupted, does not have the arm strength like a Rodgers and Brady to overcome it, or can break containment like a Luck or Rodgers when teams like the Seahawks just rush four thus relying on disruption followed by coverage. To be fair though, that Seahawks' 2013 D was far more healthy and better than the 2014 Seahawks' D.

 

The lack of patience and an urge to make things happen by himself has been Peyton's undoing in several playoff games and thus leads to more turnovers and predictability as the game goes on.

 

I'll agree with this to an extent. The Broncos and Patriots ironically had a very similar gameplan's heading into the Super Bowl. The difference was, the Patriots simply executed it better. They knew they couldn't attack the Seahawks deep and both teams thrived off dinking and dunking. The Patriots WR's just simply executed breaking tackles and gaining separation a whole lot better than the Broncos did. Compound that with the VERY costly turnovers the Broncos had and you get the result.

[Superman]

He makes the running game work until he stops running it. 

 

 

Just look at the SB vs the Saints. Addai ran 100 yards in that game and he quit running it and went Marino mode.

 

Same thing vs the Colts in the playoffs the past season. He quit running it despite his lack of arm strength and the run was working. 

 

False.

[oldunclemark]

Looking at past film.....Peyton wa s over center a lot during his Colts years.

Watch some of the great Indy-NE games.

'Shotgun Peyton' for the majority of the game is largely 'Denver Peyton'

[shakedownstreet]

[oldunclemark]

Of course, that's a given, as any good quarterback will do. OP is making it sound like he can turn any regular joe into a Hall of Famer though, which is what everyone is disagreeing with.

If Peyton hurts a running back its because (with Denver) he has preferred a 3-WR, one TE set with one back...

That means no misdirection and no blocking back or TE.

You've got to be very good to gain yards running with just 5 blcokers

[Qwiz]

If Peyton hurts a running back its because (with Denver) he has preferred a 3-WR, one TE set with one back...

That means no misdirection and no blocking back or TE.

You've got to be very good to gain yards running with just 5 blcokers

This is true, OUM. I'm not saying he hurt any runningback though; I'm just saying he isn't making guys good lol.

[oldunclemark]

This is true, OUM. I'm not saying he hurt any runningback though; I'm just saying he isn't making guys good lol.

You are more correct..Obviously they ran the ball well last year...

But you need an oustanding back...because he has to make someone miss...unless one of his linemen drives out somebody

Some would also counter that RBs with Peyton run against 6-man fronts..not the 8-man fronts Adrian Peterson often sees