Do you see any progress with Richardson?

[BeanDiasucci]

15 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

QB are constantly working on mechanics. What do you think happens when they can’t do anything for five months.

But Richardson did have some opportunity to work on his mechanics during the offseason. There was a story heading into training camp that said Richardson had improved greatly by working with a private quarterback coach four days a week to improve his throwing motion and the consistency of his passes. 

 

Trainer: Colts QB Anthony Richardson looks ‘better than he’s ever looked’

Published Jul. 25, 2024 10:50 a.m. ET

 

As Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson returns for 2024, could he make a massive Year 2 leap?

 

Richardson "looks better than he's ever looked" coming out of the offseason, according to one of his trainers, private quarterback coach Will Hewlett of CORTX Sports Performance. As Richardson has built his right shoulder back up from injury, he's increased the spin rate on his throws, allowing passes to travel more efficiently and better cut through wind in possible bad weather games. The increased spin rate also means potentially easier balls to catch for his teammates. 

 

The Colts start training camp on Thursday, and Richardson isn't expected to have any limitations, according to general manager Chris Ballard. The former No. 4 overall pick was held out of the final day of mandatory minicamp in June due to soreness in his surgically repaired throwing shoulder. His rookie season ended in just 173 snaps after suffering an AC joint sprain against the Tennessee Titans. 

 

"He's just tightened things up in a really good way," Hewlett told FOX Sports. "He had a ball that hit an RPM [revolutions per minute] of like the high 700s. The NFL standard is 600, so if you're over 600, you're safe. You're in a good spot. … So it jumped over 150 RPMs [above that] on certain throws, which is pretty insane actually. So [that's] a really good indicator that things are clicking really, really well for him. And just with his extreme athleticism and gifts that he has, when it's all put together, it looks as good as any quarterback I've ever seen."

 

While changes to Richardson's throwing motion won't be noticeable to the casual fan, Hewlett said the consistency of his passes has also improved, meaning the variance between his worst and best throws has also shrunk. 

 

That could pay major dividends for the second-year quarterback and the Colts' passing game. In four games last season, Richardson completed 59.5% of his passes — a rate for the season that would've placed him above just one of the 32 qualified quarterbacks, the Titans' Will Levis (58.4%). 

 

Richardson threw for 577 yards and three touchdowns against one interception as a rookie. He also had 25 carries for 136 yards and four touchdowns. He became the first quarterback in NFL history to rush for a touchdown in his first three career starts.

 

"To me, there's no reason why he's not the Comeback Player of the Year," Hewlett said. "There's no reason why he's not in the running for the MVP at the end of the year. And if he puts a full season together, he's going to do things that I think will throw that division upside down. 

 

"He's special. He's special as a human, as a processor, as an athlete," Hewlett added. "And it's easy to get caught up in the ‘wow' factor that he produces when he dunks a basketball or throwing a football, but he's got so many other great things and qualities about him. I'm just really excited to see him just go out there and play free, play healthy. It's going to be popcorn time."

 

Through CORTX Sports Performance — which also works with other NFL quarterbacks such as the San Francisco 49ers' Brock Purdy — Richardson threw four days a week ahead of training camp, thrust in various scenarios that mimic games. 

 

The focus was putting the "final touches" on his throwing and ramping up the volume of his reps.

 

"If you walked on the field and you didn't know a lot, you'd be like, ‘That dude can throw the ball really, really well,'" Hewlett said. "There's nothing that's going to stand out that would question his ability to complete passes at a consistent level." 

 

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/trainer-colts-qb-anthony-richardson-looks-better-than-hes-ever-looked

[throwing BBZ]

4 minutes ago, BeanDiasucci said:

But Richardson did have some opportunity to work on his mechanics during the offseason. There was a story heading into training camp that said Richardson had improved greatly by working with a private quarterback coach four days a week to improve his throwing motion and the consistency of his passes. 

 

Trainer: Colts QB Anthony Richardson looks ‘better than he’s ever looked’

Published Jul. 25, 2024 10:50 a.m. ET

 

As Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson returns for 2024, could he make a massive Year 2 leap?

 

Richardson "looks better than he's ever looked" coming out of the offseason, according to one of his trainers, private quarterback coach Will Hewlett of CORTX Sports Performance. As Richardson has built his right shoulder back up from injury, he's increased the spin rate on his throws, allowing passes to travel more efficiently and better cut through wind in possible bad weather games. The increased spin rate also means potentially easier balls to catch for his teammates. 

 

The Colts start training camp on Thursday, and Richardson isn't expected to have any limitations, according to general manager Chris Ballard. The former No. 4 overall pick was held out of the final day of mandatory minicamp in June due to soreness in his surgically repaired throwing shoulder. His rookie season ended in just 173 snaps after suffering an AC joint sprain against the Tennessee Titans. 

 

"He's just tightened things up in a really good way," Hewlett told FOX Sports. "He had a ball that hit an RPM [revolutions per minute] of like the high 700s. The NFL standard is 600, so if you're over 600, you're safe. You're in a good spot. … So it jumped over 150 RPMs [above that] on certain throws, which is pretty insane actually. So [that's] a really good indicator that things are clicking really, really well for him. And just with his extreme athleticism and gifts that he has, when it's all put together, it looks as good as any quarterback I've ever seen."

 

While changes to Richardson's throwing motion won't be noticeable to the casual fan, Hewlett said the consistency of his passes has also improved, meaning the variance between his worst and best throws has also shrunk. 

 

That could pay major dividends for the second-year quarterback and the Colts' passing game. In four games last season, Richardson completed 59.5% of his passes — a rate for the season that would've placed him above just one of the 32 qualified quarterbacks, the Titans' Will Levis (58.4%). 

 

Richardson threw for 577 yards and three touchdowns against one interception as a rookie. He also had 25 carries for 136 yards and four touchdowns. He became the first quarterback in NFL history to rush for a touchdown in his first three career starts.

"To me, there's no reason why he's not the Comeback Player of the Year," Hewlett said. "There's no reason why he's not in the running for the MVP at the end of the year. And if he puts a full season together, he's going to do things that I think will throw that division upside down. 

 

"He's special. He's special as a human, as a processor, as an athlete," Hewlett added. "And it's easy to get caught up in the ‘wow' factor that he produces when he dunks a basketball or throwing a football, but he's got so many other great things and qualities about him. I'm just really excited to see him just go out there and play free, play healthy. It's going to be popcorn time."

 

Through CORTX Sports Performance — which also works with other NFL quarterbacks such as the San Francisco 49ers' Brock Purdy — Richardson threw four days a week ahead of training camp, thrust in various scenarios that mimic games. 

The focus was putting the "final touches" on his throwing and ramping up the volume of his reps.

 

"If you walked on the field and you didn't know a lot, you'd be like, ‘That dude can throw the ball really, really well,'" Hewlett said. "There's nothing that's going to stand out that would question his ability to complete passes at a consistent level." 

 

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/trainer-colts-qb-anthony-richardson-looks-better-than-hes-ever-looked

 

 So far AR is making a foo out of this chump. 

 I hope he gets and listens to a 2nd opinion regarding his throwing motion because something appears to be wrong, very wrong.

[Malakai432]

7 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Good to see you again, the schedule does get easier late in the season. 

Good to see you as well! I still stalk the forums, lurking in the shadows 😂.  I just don’t post much anymore.

[JackWV]

Watching Jayden Daniels last night made me have less confidence in AR... 

[mirobi48]

LSUfootball's use of virtual reality has enhanced quarterback training

 

Couldn't hurt

[Stephen]

40 minutes ago, JackWV said:

Watching Jayden Daniels last night made me have less confidence in AR... 

Jayden daniels  has way more experience  at qb. He looked like a seasoned vet.

[shasta519]

37 minutes ago, JackWV said:

Watching Jayden Daniels last night made me have less confidence in AR... 

 

The 2024 QB class is going to be very good I think. I was in favor of punting last season to get a shot at one of them, but I understand why they took AR when they did. 

[BeanDiasucci]

On 9/22/2024 at 8:28 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He is basically a rookie but we aren't using him right. I love Shane but the last 2 weeks his play calling has me puzzled. We need to use a playbook similar to what the Ravens do with Lamar, AR needs to run more. 

The Colts obviously need AR to run more, but that's not happening for some reason. Maybe it will happen more as the season progresses. 

 

On a completely unrelated topic, what's one thing that could cause the Colts to give up on the current plan and start over with a new GM? Would another beginning-of-the-season serious injury to Richardson this year make them conclude he's not durable enough for the type of QB he is and that he's unlikely to work out as the franchise QB?  

[richard pallo]

55 minutes ago, JackWV said:

Watching Jayden Daniels last night made me have less confidence in AR... 

I believe he played 5 years of college football.

[Indyfan4life]

He needs to focus on throwing lower and on the move. Literally just throwing the ball lower would drastically improve the pass game. 

[shasta519]

16 hours ago, Solid84 said:

Josh Allen's first 7 games:

 

@Ravens: Passing: 6/15 - 74 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 3 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 26 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

Chargers: Passing: 18/33 - 245 yards - 1/2 TD/Int - 5 Sacks - Rushing: 8 attempts for 32 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

@Vikings: Passing: 15/22 - 196 yards - 1/0 TD/Int - 3 Sacks - Rushing: 10 attempts for 39 yards - 2/3 TD/FUM 

@Packers: Passing: 16/33 - 151 yards - 0/2 TD/Int - 7 Sacks - Rushing: 5 attempts for 19 yards - 0/1 TD/FUM 

Titans: Passing: 10/19 - 82 yards - 0/1 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 19 yards - 1/0 TD/FUM 

@Texans: Passing: 10/17 - 84 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 2 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 20 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

Jaguars: Passing: 8/19 - 160 yards - 1/0 TD/Int - 0 Sacks - Rushing: 13 attempts for 99 yards - 1/1 TD/FUM 

 

Total: Passing: 83/158 (52.5%) - 992 yards (6.28 YPA) - 3/5 TD/Int - 21 Sacks - Rushing: 48 attempts for 254 yards (5.29 YPC) - 4/5 TD/Fum

 

 

AR's first 7 games:

 

Jaguars: Passing: 24/37 - 223 yards - 1/1 TD/Int - 4 Sacks - Rushing: 10 attempts for 40 yards - 1/0 TD/FUM 

@Texans: Passing: 6/10 - 56 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 0 Sacks - Rushing: 3 attempts for 35 yards - 2/0 TD/FUM 

Rams: Passing: 11/25 - 200 yards - 2/0 TD/Int - 2 Sacks - Rushing: 10 attempts for 56 yards - 1/2 TD/FUM 

Titans: Passing: 9/12 - 98 yards - 0/0 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 2 attempts for 5 yards - 0/1 TD/FUM 

Texans: Passing: 9/19 - 212 yards - 2/1 TD/Int - 2 Sacks - Rushing: 6 attempts for 56 yards - 1/0 TD/FUM 

@Packers: Passing: 17/34 - 204 yards - 1/3 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 4 attempts for 37 yards - 0/2 TD/FUM 

Bears: Passing: 10/20 - 167 yards - 0/2 TD/Int - 1 Sacks - Rushing: 8 attempts for 24 yards - 0/0 TD/FUM 

 

Total: Passing: 86/157 (54.8%) - 1,160 yards (7.39 YPA) - 6/7 TD/Int - 11 Sacks - Rushing: 43 attempts for 253 yards (5.88 YPC)- 5/5 TD/Fum

 

Not trying to make AR out to be Allen. I just want to point out that Allen had to go through EXACTLY the same thing AR is going through right now and if the Bills had given up they'd have lost out on a franchise QB.

 

But this was Allen's actual rookie season...coming from a D3 school. 

 

Regardless of games played, I think it does matter that this is AR's second season in the NFL. He's had the benefit of watching a year's worth of film, two offseasons of coaching, two TCs and preseasons. 

 

If you compare Allen's second season to how AR has been in his second season, Allen was so much better at that point. 

 

One of the biggest difference is that, at no point, was Allen throwing INTs on 8% of his PAs, like AR has this year. And that number could actually be higher.

 

Not trying to cherry-pick a stat, but that is just a staggering INT rate that shouldn't be ignored. Even if you combine it with last year's numbers, his 4.5% career INT rate is still staggering. But how he is playing now is far more indicative of the QB he is right now. And that's a QB who is throwing an INT on 1 out of every 12-13 PAs.

 

So it might not just be a matter of changing mechanics/developing accuracy, because if AR is also throwing the ball to the other team, there could be other deficiencies in his passing that Allen might not have had.

 

I do expect this number goes down as the season goes on, but what if it really doesn't? There's no comp for a QB like that.

[USAFHoosier]

He doesn’t seem to have an information processing issue. It’s all mechanics, throwing motion and footwork. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

42 minutes ago, BeanDiasucci said:

The Colts obviously need AR to run more, but that's not happening for some reason. Maybe it will happen more as the season progresses. 

 

On a completely unrelated topic, what's one thing that could cause the Colts to give up on the current plan and start over with a new GM? Would another beginning-of-the-season serious injury to Richardson this year make them conclude he's not durable enough for the type of QB he is and that he's unlikely to work out as the franchise QB?  

I think the only way Ballard gets fired is, if AR busts this season and we win like 6 or 7 games. Other than that, I think Ballard is safe.

[Solid84]

4 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

But this was Allen's actual rookie season...coming from a D3 school. 

 

Regardless of games played, I think it does matter that this is AR's second season in the NFL. He's had the benefit of watching a year's worth of film, two offseasons of coaching, two TCs and preseasons. 

He was rehabing this offseason. Not a lot of work on technique.

 

AR also only had 2/3rd's of Allen's college snaps and most of that came his last year.

 

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If you compare Allen's second season to how AR has been in his second season, Allen was so much better at that point. 

Sure if you take this as AR's second season there's a disconnect, but I honestly feel like that's a HUGE reach just to paint AR as worse than he is.

 

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One of the biggest difference is that, at no point, was Allen throwing INTs on 8% of his PAs, like AR has this year. And that number could actually be higher.

 

Not trying to cherry-pick a stat, but that is just a staggering INT rate that shouldn't be ignored. Even if you combine it with last year's numbers, his 4.5% career INT rate is still staggering. But how he is playing now is far more indicative of the QB he is right now. And that's a QB who is throwing an INT on 1 out of every 12-13 PAs.

 

So it might not just be a matter of developing changing mechanics/developing accuracy, because if AR is also throwing the ball to the other team, there could be other deficiencies in his passing that Allen might not have had.

 

I do expect this number goes down as the season goes on, but what if it really doesn't? There's no comp for a QB like that.

I'm not defending AR like he's good here. He's been bad this season so far, no doubt about it. But, to me it just looks like he's a little overwhelmed and the game is too fast for him still. He's sailing throws because of bad technique despite throwing from clean pockets. It'll get better with (LOTS) of practice and game reps to slow the game down and solidify his mechanics.

 

Also to defend him a little, the rest of the team didn't do him any favors the first 2 games. Steichen hasn't really helped him at least until maybe the 4th quarter of the Bears game. His receivers have been dropping A LOT of passes. Through the first two weeks he was the QB with most receivers drops in the league. Where's Pittman? Where're our TEs?

 

He needs to tighten up his mechanics but that's an offseason thing most likely, at least to really get into it. The game needs to slow down for him which will just take time and reps.

 

People are disregarding his lack of experience. I don't know of any other QBs who's been drafted top 5 with just a season and a half of college experience?

[JediXMan]

Damn lol.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This post got me thinking. What do AR and Luck have in common? They were both coming off shoulder surgery. Could it be sitting for 5 and 6 months it’s just takes a bit to get going.

 

 

[RollerColt]

4 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This post got me thinking. What do AR and Luck have in common? They were both coming off shoulder surgery. Could it be sitting for 5 and 6 months it’s just takes a bit to get going.

 

 

You've been defending and supporting Anthony all season long so far, and I am freaking here for it.

 

Please keep that side of positivity going. It's really all we have at the moment is just hope that this all works out in the long run. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

You've been defending and supporting Anthony all season long so far, and I am freaking here for it.

 

Please keep that side of positivity going. It's really all we have at the moment is just hope that this all works out in the long run. 

I might have been disappointed in the 0-2 start but it wasn’t because of AR. It was the vets  on defense. We have to see where we are by mid season. I just want to see him improve each game. AR projectory is a year behind now beached of the injury. Ideally he would have played last season then this season colts would have made the playoffs. Then by his third year he would be elite. Same projectory Allen took. 
 

Thd only thing that will disappoint me this season is the vets on this team underperforming. Or the secondary being horrific because Ballard didn’t do anything. 

[DougDew]

Well, as QB he kinda sucked in college, and he had only 4 games last year which really means nothing, so I haven't seen much progress beyond suck so far.  I can't think of any excuse that would mitigate that conclusion.

 

But he should continue to play, because it was never thought this team is that good, so its not like playing him hurts anything.

[shasta519]

3 hours ago, Solid84 said:

He was rehabing this offseason. Not a lot of work on technique.

 

AR also only had 2/3rd's of Allen's college snaps and most of that came his last year.

 

Sure if you take this as AR's second season there's a disconnect, but I honestly feel like that's a HUGE reach just to paint AR as worse than he is.

 

I'm not defending AR like he's good here. He's been bad this season so far, no doubt about it. But, to me it just looks like he's a little overwhelmed and the game is too fast for him still. He's sailing throws because of bad technique despite throwing from clean pockets. It'll get better with (LOTS) of practice and game reps to slow the game down and solidify his mechanics.

 

Also to defend him a little, the rest of the team didn't do him any favors the first 2 games. Steichen hasn't really helped him at least until maybe the 4th quarter of the Bears game. His receivers have been dropping A LOT of passes. Through the first two weeks he was the QB with most receivers drops in the league. Where's Pittman? Where're our TEs?

 

He needs to tighten up his mechanics but that's an offseason thing most likely, at least to really get into it. The game needs to slow down for him which will just take time and reps.

 

People are disregarding his lack of experience. I don't know of any other QBs who's been drafted top 5 with just a season and a half of college experience?

 

His lack of experience was a well-known risk in drafting him and it's a big reason why some were skeptical (including me). On the flip side, it sort of seemed like people disregarded his lack of experience then in favor of things like potential and upside. But now he's struggling and it's showing. If anything, it's validated those initial concerns.

 

I tend to think WR drops following a QB from college to the NFL says as much about the QB as it does the pass catchers. But they need to do better. I think it will take a combination of improvements from both AR and the pass catchers.

 

Not sure if something is up with MPJ, but some "regression" this year was very predictable. At one point, I actually thought he might leave in FA when faced with prospect of re-signing with a run-first team and a young QB who is still learning how to throw short and intermediate passes (the area he operates). But he stayed...and I am glad he did. But if it continues, there are going to be a lot of people blaming MPJ, which is pretty ridiculous, when you think about just 6 months ago, people were talking about how great of a contract it was and that MPJ was a legit WR1 with AR.

 

[shasta519]

2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

This post got me thinking. What do AR and Luck have in common? They were both coming off shoulder surgery. Could it be sitting for 5 and 6 months it’s just takes a bit to get going.

 

 

 

Other than the fact that Luck was a proven NFL QB in his prime and that his shoulder rehab lasted 3x as long. 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

Other than the fact that Luck was a proven NFL QB in his prime and that his shoulder rehab lasted 3x as long. 

 

They both couldn’t throw or work on footwork. To ignore this could be a possibility with AR is naive. Let’s see where he is by game 7. Especially when it looks like he went backwards  from last season.

[Solid84]

7 minutes ago, shasta519 said:

 

His lack of experience was a well-known risk in drafting him and it's a big reason why some were skeptical (including me). On the flip side, it sort of seemed like people disregarded his lack of experience then in favor of things like potential and upside. But now he's struggling and it's showing. If anything, it's validated those initial concerns.

 

I tend to think WR drops following a QB from college to the NFL says as much about the QB as it does the pass catchers. But they need to do better. I think it will take a combination of improvements from both AR and the pass catchers.

 

Not sure if something is up with MPJ, but some "regression" this year was very predictable. At one point, I actually thought he might leave in FA when faced with prospect of re-signing with a run-first team and a young QB who is still learning how to throw short and intermediate passes (the area he operates). But he stayed...and I am glad he did. But if it continues, there are going to be a lot of people blaming MPJ, which is pretty ridiculous, when you think about just 6 months ago, people were talking about how great of a contract it was and that MPJ was a legit WR1 with AR.

 

It just seems like people have sold themselves the idea he was going to come out great this season which I think is and was completely unreasonable.

 

I hope to see some improvement by the end of the season, but I really don't expect a whole lot until sometime next season. AR has got so much catching up to do.

 

I mean, there's no doubt AR's struggles are affecting MPJ, but MPJ has never been a great separater and seeing a defender right besides MPJ is probably stopping AR from throwing his way at this point.

 

Also, to be clear, I'm not saying AR will DEFINITELY be great, but I do think we DEFINITELY don't know yet and people need to be a lot more patient with him.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

It just seems like people have sold themselves the idea he was going to come out great this season which I think is and was completely unreasonable.

 

I hope to see some improvement by the end of the season, but I really don't expect a whole lot until sometime next season. AR has got so much catching up to do.

 

I mean, there's no doubt AR's struggles are affecting MPJ, but MPJ has never been a great separater and seeing a defender right besides MPJ is probably stopping AR from throwing his way at this point.

 

Also, to be clear, I'm not saying AR will DEFINITELY be great, but I do think we DEFINITELY don't know yet and people need to be a lot more patient with him.

I think even though the sample size was small last season it gave people a false sense of where he is. But we also can’t ignore thst maybe the regression is just because of the lack of off season work. If it’s just the lack of offseason work it should correct itself fairly quickly. We should def him settle in by game 6 or 7.

[richard pallo]

2 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I might have been disappointed in the 0-2 start but it wasn’t because of AR. It was the vets  on defense. We have to see where we are by mid season. I just want to see him improve each game. AR projectory is a year behind now beached of the injury. Ideally he would have played last season then this season colts would have made the playoffs. Then by his third year he would be elite. Same projectory Allen took. 
 

Thd only thing that will disappoint me this season is the vets on this team underperforming. Or the secondary being horrific because Ballard didn’t do anything. 

I disagree .  It was because of AR.  Nothing wrong with admitting that.  He has a legitimate excuse for his poor play.  So far he is not improving in each game.   Hopefully he gets going soon but he’s the reason we are not converting on third down which is leading to our opponents dominating in time of possession.   Practically impossible to win that way.  Yet we were in the first two games against playoff teams.  Our division is still winnable.  AR needs to get better.  That’s obvious.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

15 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I disagree .  It was because of AR.  Nothing wrong with admitting that.  He has a legitimate excuse for his poor play.  So far he is not improving in each game.   Hopefully he gets going soon but he’s the reason we are not converting on third down which is leading to our opponents dominating in time of possession.   Practically impossible to win that way.  Yet we were in the first two games against playoff teams.  Our division is still winnable.  AR needs to get better.  That’s obvious.

It defintely was not all AR game one. Because of him we only lost by 2 points. His first two games were not what colts are projecting them to be.

[cdgacoltsfan]

2 hours ago, DougDew said:

Well, as QB he kinda sucked in college, and he had only 4 games last year which really means nothing, so I haven't seen much progress beyond suck so far.  I can't think of any excuse that would mitigate that conclusion.

 

But he should continue to play, because it was never thought this team is that good, so its not like playing him hurts anything.

He's going to be here at least through 2025 season wether you like it or not. Why don't you find another team to root for until then and come back only if he becomes a great QB. I think that's the best path you and the other impatient know it alls should take.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Game one the defense couldn’t get a stop to give the colts a chance to win. If AR had the ball to win that game I have a feeling he would have.  Game two although a long shot because of time on the clock we did have the ball to win the game. 
 

Game 3 was a outlier so far.

[RollerColt]

9 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

He's going to be here at least through 2025 season wether you like it or not. Why don't you find another team to root for until then and come back only if he becomes a great QB. I think that's the best path you and the other impatient know it alls should take.

Be curious to see how many bandwagoners join the Jayden Daniels hype train.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, RollerColt said:

Be curious to see how many bandwagoners join the Jayden Daniels hype train.

That guy has 55 college starts and almost two years older than AR. It’s a silly comparison 

[RollerColt]

14 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

That guy has 55 college starts and almost two years older than AR. It’s a silly comparison 

I agree 100%. 
 

My question as a Cincy area resident is this:

 

Is Daniels that good, or is the Bengals defense that ridiculously bad?

[cdgacoltsfan]

38 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Be curious to see how many bandwagoners join the Jayden Daniels hype train.

I remember the RG3 fiaso

[RollerColt]

2 minutes ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

I remember the RG3 fiaso

Exactly what I was thinking. Exactly. 

[Solid84]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I think even though the sample size was small last season it gave people a false sense of where he is. But we also can’t ignore thst maybe the regression is just because of the lack of off season work. If it’s just the lack of offseason work it should correct itself fairly quickly. We should def him settle in by game 6 or 7.

I agree, I think it's due to lack of offseason for him and opponents having a little film on him. That said, the gameplan Steichen is running looks different from last season, so that might be a factor as well.

[IinD]

1 hour ago, Solid84 said:

we DEFINITELY don't know yet and people need to be a lot more patient with him

Yeah but how will you get first seat on the 'i told you I knew it' Colts forum bus??

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

We will know probably around game 6 if this has just been a byproduct of sitting from the surgery or it’s real rookie issues.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

47 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

I agree 100%. 
 

My question as a Cincy area resident is this:

 

Is Daniels that good, or is the Bengals defense that ridiculously bad?

Probably both. Daniels looks like the real deal but bengals defense is also crap.

[Superman]

1 hour ago, RollerColt said:

I agree 100%. 
 

My question as a Cincy area resident is this:

 

Is Daniels that good, or is the Bengals defense that ridiculously bad?

 

Do the Bengals realize that they're allowed to rush the passer?

 

 

[RollerColt]

11 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Do the Bengals realize that they're allowed to rush the passer?

 

 

It’s like Lou had a stroke or something. This same team was at least slowing down the Chiefs a week earlier.