Colts have the 15th pick in the draft. (MERGE)

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, krunk said:

Have u paid attention in interviews how much they talk about getting explosive. Getting explosive pretty much means we are not currently explosive. I certainly would not rule out drafting somebody to replace Pierce. Some of you are going to find out the Colts actually like some of the guys we have in the secondary. I wouldn't necessarily rule out a corner bc competition is good but we had struggles due to injuries and youth. Not entirely bc they couldn't play. The moves or lack thereof in FA tell me they like who we have for the most part. 

We would get explosive just by having AR back.  I think they like who they have at WR too.  No moves in FA there either.  Even Reggie stood up for Pierce.  Like I said if one of the top three fall I could see it.  I would be surprised if they did.  Ballard tried to sign Hunter and acquire Sneed.  Both defensive players.  I think it’s safe to say he views ER and CB as positions that he is looking to upgrade.  The right player at those two positions would qualify the desire to become more explosive on the defensive side.

[richard pallo]

12 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Normally I agree with this but I could see there being several WR he loves and trading back just a few spots. Not a lot.

I agree.  Going back into the 20’s is a no for me.  I want a starter with our first pick.

[krunk]

15 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

We would get explosive just by having AR back.  I think they like who they have at WR too.  No moves in FA there either.  Even Reggie stood up for Pierce.  Like I said if one of the top three fall I could see it.  I would be surprised if they did.  Ballard tried to sign Hunter and acquire Sneed.  Both defensive players.  I think it’s safe to say he views ER and CB as positions that he is looking to upgrade.  The right player at those two positions would qualify the desire to become more explosive on the defensive side.

They already know AR will be back but yet they continue to talk about it. Doesn't matter what table he stood on if what we need isn't there. Pay attention to the language Ballard and Steichen use. Ballard went so far as to highlight how good this receiver draft is. He compared it to I think the 2020 class or whatever year he used. He didn't do that for no good reason. AR alone isn't what they are banking their hopes on. Our WR room is sad if Pittman goes down even with a healthy AR. Pierce has not shown enough for us to think he can carry the #2 spot let alone be the go to guy if Pittman goes down. 

[MikeCurtis]

20 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

I don’t think edge will be an option. Tells you how bad his team building is that he was going to pay a 31 edge rusher when the secondary is that bad.

Maybe

 

Latu is pretty good if he makes it to us

 

For whatever reason this team isn’t bad on sacks but we are very poor in getting pressures

 

Our DBs  in this defense are greatly assisted by a pass rush

 

Also

 

I truly hope we add a FS FA

 

I would not wish to put our trust in a rookie to play this pivotal role 

 

I could see the Colts going

 

DE 

WR

CB

 

or

 

WR

DE

CB

 

I love the speed of the CBs in this draft,  but some of the slight CBs will get beat up in run support

 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

3 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

Maybe

 

Latu is pretty good if he makes it to us

 

For whatever reason this team isn’t bad on sacks but we are very poor in getting pressures

 

Our DBs  in this defense are greatly assisted by a pass rush

 

Also

 

I truly hope we add a FS FA

 

I would not wish to put our trust in a rookie to play this pivotal role 

 

I could see the Colts going

 

DE 

WR

CB

 

or

 

WR

DE

CB

 

 

When the secondary is no good that’s what happens.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

19 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

We would get explosive just by having AR back.  I think they like who they have at WR too.  No moves in FA there either.  Even Reggie stood up for Pierce.  Like I said if one of the top three fall I could see it.  I would be surprised if they did.  Ballard tried to sign Hunter and acquire Sneed.  Both defensive players.  I think it’s safe to say he views ER and CB as positions that he is looking to upgrade.  The right player at those two positions would qualify the desire to become more explosive on the defensive side.

Ballard specifically said we wrrr lucky that we had healthy WR all year because he said he didn’t do enough. So I think he will look to add one.

[CoachLite]

I don't think Ballard makes his decisions in a vacuum. I hope that Steichen and the scouting team gives Ballard better advice and evaluations that Reich did. And, for all Jim Irsay's good intentions, I hope he relies on those with better evaluation skills than he has shown. At least I understand why Ballard makes the decisions he makes, whether I agree with him, or not.

[richard pallo]

12 minutes ago, krunk said:

They already know AR will be back but yet they continue to talk about it. Doesn't matter what table he stood on if what we need isn't there. Pay attention to the language Ballard and Steichen use. Ballard went so far as to highlight how good this receiver draft is. He compared it to I think the 2020 class or whatever year he used. He didn't do that for no good reason. AR alone isn't what they are banking their hopes on. Our WR room is sad if Pittman goes down even with a healthy AR. Pierce has not shown enough for us to think he can carry the #2 spot let alone be the go to guy if Pittman goes down. 

Everybody in the NFL says it’s a good WR class.  So nothing earth shattering there.  I never said we wouldn’t add a WR by the way.  Downs looked pretty good from the 3rd round didn’t he?

[krunk]

I like some of these explosive guys like Brian Thomas jr, Adonai Mitchell, Xavier Legette who are more traditional. However I see a need for a guy who can do multiple things. Josh Downs is not it when it comes to special teams. Our return game puts no fear in anybody. I think that's some of the draw and interest they may see with Xavier Worthy. He can give us some of the stuff TY did early in his career playing WR and Special teams.  

[richard pallo]

3 minutes ago, krunk said:

I like some of these explosive guys like Brian Thomas jr, Adonai Mitchell, Xavier Legette who are more traditional. However I see a need for a guy who can do multiple things. Josh Downs is not it when it comes to special teams. Our return game puts no fear in anybody. I think that's some of the draw and interest they may see with Xavier Worthy. He can give us some of the stuff TY did early in his career playing WR and Special teams.  

CB Cooper Dejean is also one of the top punt returners in college.  If he were to become a Colt he would probably be our new PR. 

[krunk]

2 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Everybody in the NFL says it’s a good WR class.  So nothing earth shattering there.  I never said we wouldn’t add a WR by the way

4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Everybody in the NFL says it’s a good WR class.  So nothing earth shattering there.  I never said we wouldn’t add a WR by the way.  Downs looked pretty good from the 3rd round didn’t he?

 

The point is he took out the time to emphasize getting explosive and he highlighted in detail that what we need is definitely in this draft. I don't see us waiting around on Pierce and passing on a guy that fits the criteria. Even if a high pick is used. At the same time I'm fine with 3rd round if that's how the board fell. There's quality enough in this draft where it could be possible. 

[dw49]

28 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

Maybe

 

Latu is pretty good if he makes it to us

 

For whatever reason this team isn’t bad on sacks but we are very poor in getting pressures

 

Our DBs  in this defense are greatly assisted by a pass rush

 

Also

 

I truly hope we add a FS FA

 

I would not wish to put our trust in a rookie to play this pivotal role 

 

I could see the Colts going

 

DE 

WR

CB

 

or

 

WR

DE

CB

 

I love the speed of the CBs in this draft,  but some of the slight CBs will get beat up in run support

 

 

 

Do you think Ballard values Latu over Verse and Chop Robinson  ? I;m thinking Verse goes before Latu as his combine numbers are off the charts. Robinson also has what Ballard values but his production probably pushes him down a bit. Maybe mid 20's ?

[richard pallo]

8 minutes ago, krunk said:

The point is he took out the time to emphasize getting explosive and he highlighted in detail that what we need is definitely in this draft. I don't see us waiting around on Pierce and passing on a guy that fits the criteria. Even if a high pick is used. At the same time I'm fine with 3rd round if that's how the board fell. There's quality enough in this draft where it could be possible. 

I agree.  The way I look at it there are a number of ways to help AR.  One is improving the defense and getting him the ball more.  Upgrading the secondary could do that.  Maybe more interceptions and turnovers.  More opportunities to score. It’s not like the offense is really lacking talent.  The defense on the other hand needs an injection of some talent and primarily in the secondary.  JMO.

[MikeCurtis]

18 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

Do you think Ballard values Latu over Verse and Chop Robinson  ? I;m thinking Verse goes before Latu as his combine numbers are off the charts. Robinson also has what Ballard values but his production probably pushes him down a bit. Maybe mid 20's ?

I don’t really know what Ballard thinks as I am usually wrong

 

He has stated belief that he needs to build the lines first

 

Verse should be a consideration as he has many pass rush moves

He is poor against the run, which makes no sense as he seems like a very strong kid.  He had a better year in 2022 so not sure if he was hurt in 2023

 

Robinson has all the tools but he didn’t really produce in college

He also was a liability on running downs at Penn State

 

He will be a pass rush specialist I believe. Which may move him out of round 1

 

Latu at least used to have medical concerns but that seemed to have been resolved

 

He is great vs pass and really good vs run

 

I also like ELLIS out of Utah in round 2 if we go WR in round 1

 

[dw49]

6 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

I don’t really know what Ballard thinks as I am usually wrong

 

He has stated belief that he needs to build the lines first

 

Verse should be a consideration as he has many pass rush moves

He is poor against the run, which makes no sense as he seems like a very strong kid.  He had a better year in 2022 so not sure if he was hurt in 2023

 

Robinson has all the tools but he didn’t really produce in college

He also was a liability on running downs at Penn State

 

He will be a pass rush specialist I believe. Which may move him out of round 1

 

Latu at least used to have medical concerns but that seemed to have been resolved

 

He is great vs pass and really good vs run

 

I also like ELLIS out of Utah in round 2 if we go WR in round 1

 

 

I'm thinking he ends up trading down to around P 25 . By the charts , that would net us a late second rounder. We would then have approx. picks 25 , 46 and 60. Maybe then trade a 3rd or 4th to move up  from P 60 ? Obviously this all depends on how the colt board breaks out in the first 12-14 picks. 

[krunk]

31 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I agree.  The way I look at it there are a number of ways to help AR.  One is improving the defense and getting him the ball more.  Upgrading the secondary could do that.  Maybe more interceptions and turnovers.  More opportunities to score. It’s not like the offense is really lacking talent.  The defense on the other hand needs an injection of some talent and primarily in the secondary.  JMO.

My thing is I think Flowers can play. And I think Jones can play. It all depends on what the Colts think they have with them going into year 2. I'm not sure what we have at Nickel beyond Kenny Moore so that may be an area. I'm not ruling out corner early but it won't completely shock me if we stand pat there. I think if moves are made it may be more likely at Safety. Especially if Blackmon goes elsewhere. I think Ballard had issues with the safety play. We have a young guy we drafted last year who reminded me of Eric Weddle on film so he's in the mix I guess. Whatever else we do in the draft.

[stitches]

Am I the only one who doesn't want our prized 1st or 2nd round picks to be punt returners? Especially a player like Worthy who is super slight... 

[krunk]

 

[krunk]

21 minutes ago, stitches said:

Am I the only one who doesn't want our prized 1st or 2nd round picks to be punt returners? Especially a player like Worthy who is super slight... 

Use Reggie Wayne's mind and what he may be thinking. Id rather something traditional but he could be thinking TY Hilton. I don't put it past him. Honestly I'm a little leary of the super fast combine 40 guys bc a lot of them don't pan out. Worthy is slight but he isn't short at 6ft 1. You know they will put a few pounds on him and coach him to get off the jam.. He isn't who I prefer 1st but he isn't a bad WR to go along with the speed.

[NewColtsFan]

4 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Adding an explosive WR in the first just addd to the offense and will make them better. I don’t think it matters who is starting. 

He traded a future 3rd to get cross.

You are correct about Cross.   Good catch.  My bad.   

[NewColtsFan]

38 minutes ago, stitches said:

Am I the only one who doesn't want our prized 1st or 2nd round picks to be punt returners? Especially a player like Worthy who is super slight... 

 

Where does this question even come from?   Has someone even suggested such a thing?    Just curious.    

[stitches]

7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Where does this question even come from?   Has someone even suggested such a thing?    Just curious.    

People were commenting about the possibility of having Worthy or Mitchell be our punt returners if we pick any of them. 

[BProland85]

1 hour ago, krunk said:

I like some of these explosive guys like Brian Thomas jr, Adonai Mitchell, Xavier Legette who are more traditional. However I see a need for a guy who can do multiple things. Josh Downs is not it when it comes to special teams. Our return game puts no fear in anybody. I think that's some of the draw and interest they may see with Xavier Worthy. He can give us some of the stuff TY did early in his career playing WR and Special teams.  

I definitely want one of those 3 WRs on the Colts when it comes to Thomas Jr, Mitchell, and Legette. They would make them more explosive which I hope is the goal this draft. 

[GoColts8818]

Short of some miracle happening and them landing Marv Jr (yes I know that not happening) Worthy is really growing on me and I kinda like the idea of trading back to get him and getting extra picks to let you come back up to get another corner with a high second round pick.  

[MikeCurtis]

1 hour ago, dw49 said:

 

I'm thinking he ends up trading down to around P 25 . By the charts , that would net us a late second rounder. We would then have approx. picks 25 , 46 and 60. Maybe then trade a 3rd or 4th to move up  from P 60 ? Obviously this all depends on how the colt board breaks out in the first 12-14 picks. 

I think that’s a definite possibility

[krunk]

19 minutes ago, stitches said:

People were commenting about the possibility of having Worthy or Mitchell be our punt returners if we pick any of them. 

No only Worthy bc he does that already. None of the others.

[Solid84]

6 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Short of some miracle happening and them landing Marv Jr (yes I know that not happening) Worthy is really growing on me and I kinda like the idea of trading back to get him and getting extra picks to let you come back up to get another corner with a high second round pick.  

He definitely has an impressive highlight reel! But I heard he has an issue with drops?

[Indyfan4life]

15th pick and we’ll probably do nothing with it. No trading up. No immediate upgrade at a position needed. No MHJ. No Nabers. No Thomas Jr. Nah. We’ll draft a G or T at 15, and Ballard will defend it up and down. 

[MikeCurtis]

6 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

He definitely has an impressive highlight reel! But I heard he has an issue with drops?

I don’t think we take Worthy

 

In this offense the offense needs the WR to block a bit

 

He is thin as a rail that will have issues pushing anyone

 

The drops were 10% in 2022 and 6% in 2023 so doing better

 

I would MUCH rather have the OTHER Texas WR  

 

AD Mitchell

 

 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

1 minute ago, Indyfan4life said:

15th pick and we’ll probably do nothing with it. No trading up. No immediate upgrade at a position needed. No MHJ. No Nabers. No Thomas Jr. Nah. We’ll draft a G or T at 15, and Ballard will defend it up and down. 

Doing Nothing at #15 will be...

 

Not turning in the player card and losing out picking someone in first round 

 

I think Vikings have done that in the past. 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

2 minutes ago, MikeCurtis said:

I don’t think we take Worthy

 

In this offense the offense needs the WR to block a bit

 

He is thin as a rail that will have issues pushing anyone

 

The drops were 10% in 2022 and 6% in 2023 so doing better

 

I would MUCH rather have the OTHER Texas WR  

 

AD Mitchell

 

 

Exactly, Ballard likes his receiver to be good and be able to make plays in run blocking.

 

Not sure what super light receiver could do. 

 

Ballard will find some receiver who's good at run blocking and is also explosive, maybe in later rounds as well. 

[AustexColt]

Ballard is known for drafting players who have exception skills and break combine records. Worthy was the fastest in the 40 times. Shane and Reggie were in Austin last week for the Texas Pro Day and Worthy supposedly improved on the other combine scores. I will not be surprised if he is high on the Colts draft board.

[Solid84]

I think they are more into AD Mitchell, but there’s no doubt Worthy can make some plays. 

[Smonroe]

IDK, I'm getting Phillip Dorsett vibes.

 

Speed is nice, but it's doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be great receivers.  The Colts really value guys who can also block and win contested catches.  Not saying he doesn't fit that bill, but at his size it's questionable.  

 

If Bowers is gone, I'm all in on Thomas Jr.  

[richard pallo]

22 minutes ago, AustexColt said:

Ballard is known for drafting players who have exception skills and break combine records. Worthy was the fastest in the 40 times. Shane and Reggie were in Austin last week for the Texas Pro Day and Worthy supposedly improved on the other combine scores. I will not be surprised if he is high on the Colts draft board.

Out of all of the eligible college players in the country he is also known for drafting players who have injury histories.   Go figure.

[MikeCurtis]

8 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

IDK, I'm getting Phillip Dorsett vibes.

 

Speed is nice, but it's doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be great receivers.  The Colts really value guys who can also block and win contested catches.  Not saying he doesn't fit that bill, but at his size it's questionable.  

 

If Bowers is gone, I'm all in on Thomas Jr.  

great point

 

I get Ross vibes who  killed the combine with speed but let the Bengals team down on the field

[Rhodelesstraveled]

I'd trade Paye for another pick.  Time to move on from him.  He has never reached his potential.  

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

6 minutes ago, Rhodelesstraveled said:

I'd trade Paye for another pick.  Time to move on from him.  He has never reached his potential.  

Depends on whst you expected. 21 seems like the right spot for him. He is a 8-10 sack guy who can set the edge. He would of went a lot higher if he was expected to be a elite pass rusher.

[richard pallo]

13 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Depends on whst you expected. 21 seems like the right spot for him. He is a 8-10 sack guy who can set the edge. He would of went a lot higher if he was expected to be a elite pass rusher.

He’s the perfect example of why I want to stay at 15.  Better chance of getting a premier player at 15.

[krunk]

Id prefer one of the big athletic fast wr who can put a body on somebody and block when we need it. Especially since we are going to run the ball a good bit. In Worthy defense what makes him small though is his weight. Not his height. You can add some more lbs on a 6' 1" frame.