Trade Deadline (MERGE)

[csmopar]

Not sure what anyone expected. 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, csmopar said:

Not sure what anyone expected. 

I didn't expect to buy, but I thought we'd sell being 3-5 seeing how Ballard likes his draft picks. Standing pat is the ultimate cowards move. 

[Dobbinblitz]

Before the deadline can we trade Tank Ballard for John Lynch.

[w87r]

3 hours ago, richard pallo said:

He was RB1 in Buffalo behind an average, being kind, OL.

This is asinine.

 

He never even started a game for the Bills. He was buried on the depth chart.

[Zoltan]

7 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

The best Paye has done for total pressures is 39. Young had 42 his rookie season and he has 38 after 8 games this season...

 

A healthy Young is at least one level above Paye.

where do you see 42 pressures?

I see 24 on pro football reference which Paye had 16 his rookie year. Young honestly has underperformed compared to his drafted position.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh04.htm

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Dobbinblitz said:

Before the deadline can we trade Tank Ballard for John Lynch.

Oh my brother testify!

 

We need a dudley boys meme lol.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Disappointed we have to watch this trashy secondary rest of season. Colts don’t have a chance after what we saw Sunday.  

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Oh my brother testify!

 

We need a dudley boys meme lol.

Can we stop. SF is in a totally different place then colts.

[John Waylon]

Ballard is “keep chopping wood” if that was a GM. 

[richard pallo]

Chris Ballard.  “Our do nothing GM.”  He really is a piece of work.

[Solid84]

1 minute ago, Zoltan said:

where do you see 42 pressures?

I see 24 on pro football reference which Paye had 16 his rookie year. Young honestly has underperformed compared to his drafted position.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounCh04.htm

PFF premium grades. 42 total pressures (Sacks, Hits and Hurries) his rookie year.

 

He has, I don't dispute that, but we did not have to pay with the 2nd overall pick to get him. We could've gotten him for a 3rd rounder. Unlike Paye, Young has actually shown flashes of having a high level passrush skill-set. Paye hasn't at any point shown that - not in college, not in the NFL.

[Yoshinator]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Disappointed we have to watch this trashy secondary rest of season. Colts don’t have a chance after what we saw Sunday.  

Can we stop. SF is in a totally different place then colts.

John Lynch took over the 49ers in 2017. Same year Ballard took over the Colts. So their journeys are trajectories are comparable. Ballard did very little and Lynch built a dominant team.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Won’t be a good look when Young tears up our secondary Sunday.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

John Lynch took over the 49ers in 2017. Same year Ballard took over the Colts. So their journeys are trajectories are comparable. Ballard did very little and Lynch built a dominant team.

Do you realize how SF got the dline they have.? They had very high picks and sucked. 

[Zoltan]

3 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

PFF premium grades. 42 total pressures (Sacks, Hits and Hurries) his rookie year.

 

He has, I don't dispute that, but we did not have to pay with the 2nd overall pick to get him. We could've gotten him for a 3rd rounder. Unlike Paye, Young has actually shown flashes of having a high level passrush skill-set. Paye hasn't at any point shown that - not in college, not in the NFL.

a third rounder and a huge payday for a player often injured and hasn't lived up to expectations.

 

edit: crazy how PFF and another site can have such wildly different numbers

[IinD]

[jskinnz]

23 minutes ago, Indeee said:

 

Come on. You know why we can't.. 

 

I am expecting to hear that 2nd rounder for Minshew announced any minute now. 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Do you realize how SF got the dline they have.? They had very high picks and sucked. 

Bosa was drafted top 3 overall, I know that. However, the difference is that the 49ers hit on their picks. They hit in the draft and hit in trades. We got Buckner from them in a trade. We missed on a bunch of D-Line players early in Ballards tenure. Paye and Dayo might be hits. Grover was a hit in 2017. They still put a lot into their D-Line, and they continue to buy them whenever possible. 

 

BTW, I didn't want D-Line. I wanted Jaylon Johnson or Rasul Douglas, or just sell Moss. None of the D-Lineman bother me, I just think Lynch is a superior GM.

[John Waylon]

Just now, Jared Cisneros said:

John Lynch took over the 49ers in 2017. Same year Ballard took over the Colts. So their journeys are trajectories are comparable. Ballard did very little and Lynch built a dominant team.

But he drafted Ben Banogu over AJ Brown and we got that going for us, which is nice. 
 

[Solid84]

3 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

a third rounder and a huge payday for a player often injured and hasn't lived up to expectations.

 

edit: crazy how PFF and another site can have such wildly different numbers

We could have gotten him as an 8-game rental and taken it from there. Young does have a big payday coming up, but he's a proven talent at a position Ballard has whiffed at an embarrassing amount of times.

 

The numbers may vary from site to site, but it's rare it changes the outcome - Young still had more pressures than Paye.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Solid84 said:

We could have gotten him as an 8-game rental and taken it from there. Young does have a big payday coming up, but he's a proven talent at a position Ballard has whiffed at an embarrassing amount of times.

 

The numbers may vary from site to site, but it's rare it changes the outcome - Young still had more pressures than Paye.

We could have traded for Young, paid him, and traded down a few spots in the first round to get our third back. So easy even an armchair GM can do it! lol.

[w87r]

50 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

French was pretty good when filling in for Kelly.

? Lol.

 

As in like the 2nd worst Center in the league?

 

 

Literally has a 41.1 grade and ranked 37/38 of all Centers.

 

He played like trash.

[Solid84]

53 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

French was pretty good when filling in for Kelly.

 

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

? Lol.

 

As in like the 2nd worst Center in the league?

 

 

Literally has a 41.1 grade and ranked 37/38 of all Centers.

 

He played like trash.

The Oline was NOTICABLY better when Kelly came back. French is at best a backup and not a player we ABSOLUTELY need to hang on to.

[Zoltan]

2 minutes ago, Solid84 said:

We could have gotten him as an 8-game rental and taken it from there. Young does have a big payday coming up, but he's a proven talent at a position Ballard has whiffed at an embarrassing amount of times.

 

The numbers may vary from site to site, but it's rare it changes the outcome - Young still had more pressures than Paye.

So idk what PFF numbers are but on Pro football reference Paye had a better second year (granted he played 3 more games than Young) and now we are in Paye's third year which we can't compare because Young really didn't play his third year. So while Young had a good year his rookie year, he really hasn't done much since, so because of that I'm okay not trading a third for an 8 game rental and possibly not getting him back during FA.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Bradley was asked about speed today. He said they are trying to get him up on the defense. He seemed to like him a lot. Maybe he sees action Sunday.

1 minute ago, Solid84 said:

 

The Oline was NOTICABLY better when Kelly came back. French is at best a backup and not a player we ABSOLUTELY need to hang on to.

Who will play center if Kelly gets hurt?  Pinter got hurt. 

[Jason_]

1 hour ago, richard pallo said:

Nope.  So he went to them and said send me the SF.  Lol

 

[Jason_]

26 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I didn't expect to buy, but I thought we'd sell being 3-5 seeing how Ballard likes his draft picks. Standing pat is the ultimate cowards move. 

 

[Yoshinator]

Just now, J@son said:

 

YES!!!!!! I got three facepalms! You only got 1 @richard pallo  

[w87r]

5 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Bradley was asked about speed today. He said they are trying to get him up on the defense. He seemed to like him a lot. Maybe he sees action Sunday.

Who will play center if Kelly gets hurt?  Pinter got hurt. 

Jack Anderson 

[Shadow_Creek]

ballard right now

[Jason_]

1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

YES!!!!!! I got three facepalms! You only got 1 @richard pallo  

 

And I'm sure both of you will earn many more 

[sb41champs]

BOO!!

 

Fans got "tricked" this Halloween with no roster additions.

 

How did TWO experienced cornerbacks get traded to teams OTHER that our Colts?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Ballard and Irsay cooking up a plan so we can lose and get MHJ.

[richard pallo]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Ballard and Irsay cooking up a plan so we can lose and get MHJ.

Now there is a conspiracy theory.

[Yoshinator]

Just now, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Ballard and Irsay cooking up a plan so we can lose and get MHJ.

See, the thing is, I would figure that would include trading Moss, because not only do we get a draft pick, but it makes the team weaker. 

[runthepost]

1 hour ago, John Hammonds said:

Let's sit back and look at what Chase Young is.

He's in the final year of his rookie contract.

His history:

2020 - 15 games played / 15 games started / 7.5 sacks / 44 tackles / 10 tackles for loss

2021 - 9 games played / 9 games started / 1.5 sacks / 26 tackles / 3 tackles for loss

2022 - 3 games played / 2 games started / 0 sacks / 5 tackles / 0 tackles for loss

2023 - 7 games played / 6 games started / 5 sacks / 15 tackles / 6 tackles for loss

 

Chase Young is more about his potential than about his past performance.  He was injured.  A lot.  Yes, he made the pro bowl his rookie year.  Yes, he's playing will this year.  And if he continues to play well, he's gonna want a big, fat contract next year.

But the bottom line is, there's a risk involved.  Do you want to give a guy with a history of injury a great big contract?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  We don't know if CB even made an offer.  It's possible he may have.  It's also possible that the R**skins may have taken the 49'ers' offer simple to give their player a better landing place than our team.

Hes only had 1 injury and it was a torn ACL which is why he missed 7 games in 2022 and 14 games last year

[Solid84]

8 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

So idk what PFF numbers are but on Pro football reference Paye had a better second year (granted he played 3 more games than Young) and now we are in Paye's third year which we can't compare because Young really didn't play his third year. So while Young had a good year his rookie year, he really hasn't done much since, so because of that I'm okay not trading a third for an 8 game rental and possibly not getting him back during FA.

Young's problem isn't a lack os production, it's injuries. When he's healthy he's better than Paye. Paye's problem is he's not a passrusher - he's an edge-setter. We needed a passrusher when we drafted Paye, instead we've got a player with the kind of talent you can find later in the draft.

 

Young had a good rookie year and after 8 games this season he's matched or exceeded what Paye has done in his best full season. That's a good enough reason to spend a 3rd rounder on a premium position where we sorely need the talent, to me at least.

 

Again, we'll not agree on this. Good talk though, geniunely mean that. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

4 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

Now there is a conspiracy theory.

Might as well since we have all these injuries and aren’t going to playoffs anyway.

[GoColts8818]

People expecting a big trade were kidding themselves.  We go through this every year and all the time Ballard has been here he’s made one trade at the deadline,  last year when he acquired Moss and that was fueled by Hines wanting out.

[Indeee]

4 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

People expecting a big trade were kidding themselves.  We go through this every year and all the time Ballard has been here he’s made one trade at the deadline,  last year when he acquired Moss and that was fueled by Hines wanting out.

I personally was expecting them to move Moss. That was about it. 

 

Keeping him proves nothing and we get nothing for him in return. We have Trey Sermon who is capable should JT go down especially on a team who isn't playoff bound or at least shouldn't be.

 

This was the biggest blunder Imo, and if we somehow try to resign him in the off-season, then truly Ballard needs to be nixed, if not before seasons end.

 

 

[Solid84]

1 minute ago, GoColts8818 said:

People expecting a big trade were kidding themselves.  We go through this every year and all the time Ballard has been here he’s made one trade at the deadline,  last year when he acquired Moss and that was fueled by Hines wanting out.

I agree, and I didn't expect a trade. But, after 8 years of no improvement you kinda hope he'd revise his approach.