Chappell reports sprained AC joint for Richardson (MERGE)

[csmopar]

9 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

QB and Coach are vitally important as you know. So far AR has played better than most have expected, just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Potentially he can be good, he needs to be for us to compete with the teams I mentioned above. The 4 games he has played in have been valuable by themselves as far getting a feel for the NFL game. As far as Shane goes, so far I am impressed with him. I think he can become a great coach.

I’m beginning to think that it’s more the coach and his staff that has a greater impact these days. At least initially 

[2006Coltsbestever]

5 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I'm liking Steichen. I was impressed that he was engaged enough to chew out Tyquan Lewis after his offsides penalty. I like that he always seems to know what he's doing on 4th down, and most of the time the opposing coach is reacting to him. He's managing timeouts well. He's 1-1 on challenges. He seems intense and focused, but doesn't seem like he's a jerk to his players. I hate his pressers, which is kind of a good thing, because he's buttoned up and not giving away state secrets. 

 

I don't always agree with his 4th down decisions, or his play calling, but I can tell he knows what he wants to do. The only thing preventing us from having an established identity on offense so far is Richardson's availability.

 

Things look good with Steichen so far.

I agree with all your points, very well put. He holds people accountable and has a high football IQ from what I am watching. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

10 minutes ago, csmopar said:

I’m beginning to think that it’s more the coach and his staff that has a greater impact these days. At least initially 

I can't wait for this Jags game, if we win that, that would be a huge win for Shane. We haven't won there since 2014.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

9 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I'm liking Steichen. I was impressed that he was engaged enough to chew out Tyquan Lewis after his offsides penalty. I like that he always seems to know what he's doing on 4th down, and most of the time the opposing coach is reacting to him. He's managing timeouts well. He's 1-1 on challenges. He seems intense and focused, but doesn't seem like he's a jerk to his players. I hate his pressers, which is kind of a good thing, because he's buttoned up and not giving away state secrets. 

 

I don't always agree with his 4th down decisions, or his play calling, but I can tell he knows what he wants to do. The only thing preventing us from having an established identity on offense so far is Richardson's availability.

 

Things look good with Steichen so far.

Wow I missed that. Very cool

[stitches]

9 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

This is a distinct type of QBs we are working out. Steichen definitely likes his run option QBs. 

[stitches]

1 hour ago, Superman said:

 

People use the word "tank" in a lot of different ways, and it bugs me. If a team decides to play a younger player over a more known quantity veteran, people start accusing them of tanking.

 

For me, this was a 'let's see what we have' season for the Colts. Still is, IMO. We needed to know if the OL is as bad as it looked last year, and if our new coaching staff can get some improvements out of them. We need to know if any of the young guys in the secondary can play (Flowers was playing well, Brents looks promising), and whether some of the third/fourth year guys will step up (Blackmon in particular). Most importantly, do we have a HC/QB combo that we can win with.

 

I think this kind of evaluation is a very important part of team building. I don't think it's tanking. And I agree with you, there's no way you evaluate your team after a month and say 'it's looking promising, now let's shut it down so we can get a better draft spot.' 

For me any decision that takes into account draft position is tanking. In other words - you can play suboptimal lineups or make subptimal moves for variety of reasons(bad coaching, bad GMing, prioritizing development of youth over wins, etc.), but the moment your draft position is even partially the reason you are making a decision... this makes it tanking automatically. 

 

And for the record - I do NOT object to tanking in general with some minor exceptions. As long as you are playing within the rules of the league, everything is fair game IMO. As long as the players themselves don't lose on purpose I'm OK with it for the most part. 

[FanFromtheWasteland]

It's really staring to look like we need to be looking past AR for our QB going forward

[2006Coltsbestever]

Even if we get punched in the mouth by the Jags and lose by 14 or so, 1 bad game won't change my mind about Shane. It will be disappointing though. 

[Moosejawcolt]

17 minutes ago, stitches said:

This is a distinct type of QBs we are working out. Steichen definitely likes his run option QBs. 

He is working out those qbs cause that is the style of offence he is running. His recent history has been Hurts and Richardson who are running qbs. However, he did work with Herbert and although athletic, I wouldn't describe him as a running qb and I bet the offence was way different under Steichen. We will never know who he really wanted  if Stroud or Young was there at 4, Would they still have taken  Richardson?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Holder just said he doesn’t get the sense of dread about Richardson when talking to the colts. He thinks they are just going to take it week to week and when he is healed he is healed.  He said he would play him when he can play. Not be super cautious as long as he is medically cleared.

[Superman]

14 minutes ago, stitches said:

For me any decision that takes into account draft position is tanking. In other words - you can play suboptimal lineups or make subptimal moves for variety of reasons(bad coaching, bad GMing, prioritizing development of youth over wins, etc.), but the moment your draft position is even partially the reason you are making a decision... this makes it tanking automatically. 

 

And for the record - I do NOT object to tanking in general with some minor exceptions. As long as you are playing within the rules of the league, everything is fair game IMO. As long as the players themselves don't lose on purpose I'm OK with it for the most part. 

 

This is mostly unprovable, and usually unknowable by anyone outside the top brass. So when the Cardinals get rid of Colt McCoy and start Josh Dobbs, everyone assumes it's because they're tanking, but Dobbs has been playing as well as McCoy ever did. 

 

Same thing when Cooper Kupp takes off for treatment on his hamstring. Both of these teams have been better than expected, at least so far.

[stitches]

3 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

He is working out those qbs cause that is the style of offence he is running. His recent history has been Hurts and Richardson who are running qbs. However, he did work with Herbert and although athletic, I wouldn't describe him as a running qb and I bet the offence was way different under Steichen. We will never know who he really wanted  if Stroud or Young was there at 4, Would they still have taken  Richardson?

I honestly think yes. He would have wanted Richardson. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

19 minutes ago, stitches said:

For me any decision that takes into account draft position is tanking. In other words - you can play suboptimal lineups or make subptimal moves for variety of reasons(bad coaching, bad GMing, prioritizing development of youth over wins, etc.), but the moment your draft position is even partially the reason you are making a decision... this makes it tanking automatically. 

 

And for the record - I do NOT object to tanking in general with some minor exceptions. As long as you are playing within the rules of the league, everything is fair game IMO. As long as the players themselves don't lose on purpose I'm OK with it for the most part. 

I agree with your definition of actually tanking. That is why I have always thought tanking is a loser mentality. For me it has to be a super rare circumstance for me to be ok with to do a quiet tank job  . I have been a fan since 1984 and the only time I was ok with losing/tanking was in 2011. Let me add, we were 0-8 when I got ok with it in 2011 - seasons was over at that point. We had a bad aging roster with the exception of Wayne and Mathis, I knew Peyton would probably be gone, and Andrew Luck was going to be there at #1. That is how rare it has to be ok for me. 1 time out of 40 seasons, I didn't mind losing, so 1 out of 40 seasons is not even 1% of the time. It is like .025%.

[AKB]

Zach Moss is the Zaire Franklin of the offense

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, AKB said:

Zach Moss is the Zaire Franklin of the offense

Both are ballers. You can tell they love the game and give 100% every game. Ballard fleeced Buffalo by trading for Moss.

[AKB]

4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Both are ballers. You can tell they love the game and give 100% every game. Ballard fleeced Buffalo by trading for Moss.

yeah, the physicality and high motor high effort are very similar imo. both players seek out contact with vigor, and hit hard. both play with low pads. 

 

very llucky to have moss and zaire

[2006Coltsbestever]

Watching Aaron Rodgers on the McAfee show. He said, he has been impressed with the Mustache Man this year. That the Colts will still be ok with him starting. He also said that AR has a chance to be a special great QB, but he said - You need to slide dude .

[NFLfan]

21 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Both are ballers. You can tell they love the game and give 100% every game. Ballard fleeced Buffalo by trading for Moss.

 

That makes up for Jerry Hughes??

[csmopar]

17 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

That makes up for Jerry Hughes??

Not yet

19 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Watching Aaron Rodgers on the McAfee show. He said, he has been impressed with the Mustache Man this year. That the Colts will still be ok with him starting. He also said that AR has a chance to be a special great QB, but he said - You need to slide dude .

[richard pallo]

1 hour ago, stitches said:

This is a distinct type of QBs we are working out. Steichen definitely likes his run option QBs. 

Never heard of these guys.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

19 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Not yet

1st time I ever seen that GIF.  

[csmopar]

15 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

1st time I ever seen that GIF.  

Not the one I meant to use either 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Just now, csmopar said:

Not the one I meant to use either 

I still thought it was funny. Looks like Homer burnt something down and said son, lets get out of here  

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Gardner getting snaps so early in the season and in camp should help some with a easier transition.

[JediXMan]

Hopefully they’ll make an official announcement soon.

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Jim Bob knows a lot about jags too.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Very good explanation here on when a AC joint needs surgical repair.

 

 

[Solid84]

If only it hadn't been his throwing arm/shoulder

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

What’s so sad about this is how good he has been. He hasn’t looked like a rookie. Especially one with only 13 college starts.

[TrueBlue4ever]

3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Colts 23-19. The D comes up big and holds the Jags below 20 and we score just enough. Matt Gay with 3 FG's in this game.

 

35 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Very good explanation here on when a AC joint needs surgical repair.

 

 

Thanks for sharing! 

[throwing BBZ]

4 hours ago, FanFromtheWasteland said:

It's really staring to look like we need to be looking past AR for our QB going forward 

 

 This is a troll Ignore 

[1959Colts]

3 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Never heard of these guys.  

They were all excellent college football QBs that could both throw and run. Just haven't panned out in NFL yet.

[cjwhiskers]

Odd we haven’t heard anything just yet. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. 
 

I know the team is collecting multiple opinions, you’d think they’d be able to get them all in over two days. 

[GoColts8818]

2 minutes ago, cjwhiskers said:

Odd we haven’t heard anything just yet. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. 
 

I know the team is collecting multiple opinions, you’d think they’d be able to get them all in over two days. 

I actually don’t expect to hear anything beyond what they are required to say:  IE putting him on IR or being forced to answer a question in a press conference.  They don’t have to tell us anything and I doubt they want to set a timetable publicly incase he doesn’t meet it.

[csmopar]

30 minutes ago, cjwhiskers said:

Odd we haven’t heard anything just yet. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. 
 

I know the team is collecting multiple opinions, you’d think they’d be able to get them all in over two days. 

I think that it’s a bad thing 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

36 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

I actually don’t expect to hear anything beyond what they are required to say:  IE putting him on IR or being forced to answer a question in a press conference.  They don’t have to tell us anything and I doubt they want to set a timetable publicly incase he doesn’t meet it.

Like Holder was saying to today there ptobsbly won’t be a time table. When he is healed he is healed. Unless he has surgery there won’t be a time table. If he goes on IR we will know it’s at least 4 games.

[cjwhiskers]

8 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Like Holder was saying to today there ptobsbly won’t be a time table. When he is healed he is healed. Unless he has surgery there won’t be a time table. If he goes on IR we will know it’s at least 4 games.

That’s really all I want to know. Is he going to have surgery and is he going on to IR. I’m ok if they don’t really have a full timeline. 

[Superman]

51 minutes ago, cjwhiskers said:

Odd we haven’t heard anything just yet. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. 
 

I know the team is collecting multiple opinions, you’d think they’d be able to get them all in over two days. 

 

He's flying around the country getting second and third opinions. Probably includes new imaging. He's not playing this week, and he's probably out at least a month. I don't know what good additional updates would do.

 

I'm sure Steichen gets asked about it tomorrow, and I bet he says they don't have a timeline yet. And I don't think there's too much more we can expect right now. I think getting specific news before tomorrow is probably a bad thing, because it will probably mean he's having surgery and will be done for the year.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I do think if he has to go on IR it will be done before game Sunday so it counts as a game.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

If he does need surgery it really could hamper him working on his mechanics after the season. He needs to work on his footwork.