Final Day of Training Camp 8-25

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[rockywoj]

36 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

Oh good. Seems like it was a good pass by Jacob.

 

 

 

Hopefully just the wind knocked out of him / not some sort of lingering leg issue which has been too much the case over the past couple of seasons. 

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[John Hammonds]

Re: Frank's "touch decisions on cuts ahead".

Yeah, that's a good problem to have.  I'd rather be forced to cut good players than be forced to keep poor players on the team simply because we don't have enough good ones.

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Looks like Reich and Campbell have discussed their plans. Reich won’t play starters since detroit isn’t.

 

 

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[TimetobringDfence!]

21 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

 

 

I like that Strachan is making people have get dirty and physical to stop him in the endzone. I'd like to see video on that one.

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[RollerColt]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

Dude is going to need more practice- he's tossing picks, practicing more than you'd like to see.

 

I'm pinning my Eason optimism, but I'm sticking by this one point- I doubt that Wentz and Eason are really, really far apart.  

Don't be so sure on that. We have NFL game footage of Wentz. years of it. We don't have much on Eason even after preseason. 

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[JediXMan]

5 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

 

So that answers my earlier question. Smart Jags lost a key piece of their offense 1st round RB out for the season.

[JediXMan]

16 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Dude is going to need more practice- he's tossing picks, practicing more than you'd like to see.

 

I'm pinning my Eason optimism, but I'm sticking by this one point- I doubt that Wentz and Eason are really, really far apart.  

3 weeks from foot surgery and first week back and you expect him not to be rusty lol. That’s what practice is for lol.

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Stephen Holder mentioned with Kevin Bowen this morning how Granson looks like a different player with Wentz. I know Kevin mentioned yesterday how you can see the huge difference in a number two pick and late round draft picks.

[stitches]

18 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

 

It's probably too early to make this determination, but if Davenport keeps his form from last game for the duration of however many games we need him to play... it might turn out that after the whole hullabaloo and screeching from fans and media about the LT position, Ballard's strategy would work out precisely as intended - get multiple young players who have underperformed  in the past in and let them compete for the starting spot, hope one or more emerges as a quality player.

 

This is one of the secrets in today's NFL. Tons of OLinemen need a while before they start playing at a good level(Glowinski being one such player) so it's usually their second team(or second contract with original team) that gets to benefit from their talent. If Davenport looks like a solid option for however many games we need him, I would count this as a major success. 

[JediXMan]

6 minutes ago, stitches said:

It's probably too early to make this determination, but if Davenport keeps his form from last game for the duration of however many games we need him to play... it might turn out that after the whole hullabaloo and screeching from fans and media about the LT position, Ballard's strategy would work out precisely as intended - get multiple young players who have underperformed  in the past in and let them compete for the starting spot, hope one or more emerges as a quality player.

 

This is one of the secrets in today's NFL. Tons of OLinemen need a while before they start playing at a good level(Glowinski being one such player) so it's usually their second team(or second contract with original team) that gets to benefit from their talent. If Davenport looks like a solid option for however many games we need him, I would count this as a major success. 

It also doesn’t hurt having the Best LG in the league helping you out 

[DougDew]

13 minutes ago, stitches said:

It's probably too early to make this determination, but if Davenport keeps his form from last game for the duration of however many games we need him to play... it might turn out that after the whole hullabaloo and screeching from fans and media about the LT position, Ballard's strategy would work out precisely as intended - get multiple young players who have underperformed  in the past in and let them compete for the starting spot, hope one or more emerges as a quality player.

 

This is one of the secrets in today's NFL. Tons of OLinemen need a while before they start playing at a good level(Glowinski being one such player) so it's usually their second team(or second contract with original team) that gets to benefit from their talent. If Davenport looks like a solid option for however many games we need him, I would count this as a major success. 

I thought Davenport always seemed like the best prospect of the group, but wasn't talked about much for some reason.  He was pigeon holed as a RT so far in his career.  

 

6'6.5, 318, 36 inch arms.  Drafted 4th round out of Bucknell.

 

And it seems he may be just as good of a developmental player as any of the second round draft choices Ballard passed on, which are mainly RT prospects anyway like Davenport was thought to be.

4 minutes ago, JediXMan said:

It also doesn’t hurt having the Best LG in the league helping you out 

Nelson hasn't played yet though.  Davenport has done what he's done all by himself so far.

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Carson gets lots of rest days after 3 straight days. Hopefully we see him in 11 on 11 but it will be up to Reich to tell us.

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Kwitty Paye interview from this morning with Kevin.

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-fan-morning-show-podcast/id1213953865?i=1000533100120

[JediXMan]

4 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I thought Davenport always seemed like the best prospect of the group, but wasn't talked about much for some reason.  He was pigeon holed as a RT so far in his career.  

 

And it seems he may be just as good of a developmental player as any of the second round draft choices Ballard passed on, which are mainly RT prospects anyway like Davenport was thought to be.

Nelson hasn't played yet though.  Davenport has done what he's done all by himself so far.

I’m implying regular season games. Having Nelson out there will help him out tremendously. Still think Fisher misses the first 3-4 games.

[The Fish]

36 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Don't be so sure on that. We have NFL game footage of Wentz. years of it. We don't have much on Eason even after preseason. 

I'm saying I'm not sure of much other than Wentz is a massive question mark, if that spin makes my point less murky. 

[compuls1v3]

7 minutes ago, DougDew said:

I thought Davenport always seemed like the best prospect of the group, but wasn't talked about much for some reason.  He was pigeon holed as a RT so far in his career.  

 

6'6.5, 318, 36 inch arms.  Drafted 4th round out of Bucknell.

 

And it seems he may be just as good of a developmental player as any of the second round draft choices Ballard passed on, which are mainly RT prospects anyway like Davenport was thought to be.

Nelson hasn't played yet though.  Davenport has done what he's done all by himself so far.

I think Davenport missed some of camp, hasn't he?

[Coltsfan98]

4 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

Carson gets lots of rest days after 3 straight days. Hopefully we see him in 11 on 11 but it will be up to Reich to tell us.

I'd guess he'll start 11 on 11 next week. Seems to be right on schedule.

[The Fish]

30 minutes ago, JediXMan said:

3 weeks from foot surgery and first week back and you expect him not to be rusty lol. That’s what practice is for lol.

This is the thing, depending on the context it's either- he was hurt and needs practice, or we've got years of game footage- he's been there. We're driving in both lanes.

 

I'm Wentz skeptical, that's really it.

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1 minute ago, DougDew said:

I thought Davenport always seemed like the best prospect of the group, but wasn't talked about much for some reason.  He was pigeon holed as a RT so far in his career.  

 

And it seems he may be just as good of a developmental player as any of the second round draft choices Ballard passed on, which are mainly RT prospects anyway like Davenport was thought to be.

Nelson hasn't played yet though.  Davenport has done what he's done all by himself so far.

Same, I had the highest hopes for Davenport. He hasn't played a ton... he actually started off playing a lot early in his career in Houston and didn't play well(well, duh... young raw prospect on a terrible OLine)... then was benched and started filling holes a swing tackle in his last year in Miami... and he was actually serviceable in that role. Something we cannot say for Tevi even though he had played a ton of football. If anything... the more experience at a horrible level a player acquires the more likely it is that it's just what his level is and a jump is unlikely. 

 

Still, IMO we need to see more from Davenport to count it as a win but ... so far so good. 

[DougDew]

Just now, compuls1v3 said:

I think Davenport missed some of camp, hasn't he?

Possibly, but even before camp the talk was about Tevi and Holden as the possible short term starters.  Davenport has been on the roster for just as long, IIRC.

[compuls1v3]

Just now, DougDew said:

Possibly, but even before camp the talk was about Tevi and Holden as the possible short term starters.  Davenport has been on the roster for just as long, IIRC.

Well, hopefully he shows out, even if it's against 2nd stringers, on Friday.  He seemed pretty decent last game.

[DougDew]

1 minute ago, stitches said:

Same, I had the highest hopes for Davenport. He hasn't played a ton... he actually started off playing a lot early in his career in Houston and didn't play well(well, duh... young raw prospect on a terrible OLine)... then was benched and started filling holes a swing tackle in his last year in Miami... and he was actually serviceable in that role. Something we cannot say for Tevi even though he had played a ton of football. If anything... the more experience at a horrible level a player acquires the more likely it is that it's just what his level is and a jump is unlikely. 

 

Still, IMO we need to see more from Davenport to count it as a win but ... so far so good. 

As the backup.  He's a prospect for the backup T, probably both sides.  Julian is probably right now an upgrade over any backup T we had last year, IMO.  

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4 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

I think Davenport missed some of camp, hasn't he?

He started off on COVID list and missed a week or two... not sure. 

[John Waylon]

1 hour ago, Wentzszn said:

 

The thing I noticed most here was Turay getting called out for not moving his own bag into position when other in front of him did. 
 

Read into that whatever you will, but it was obviously noticed by more than just myself. 

[PrincetonTiger]

8 minutes ago, stitches said:

Same, I had the highest hopes for Davenport. He hasn't played a ton... he actually started off playing a lot early in his career in Houston and didn't play well(well, duh... young raw prospect on a terrible OLine)... then was benched and started filling holes a swing tackle in his last year in Miami... and he was actually serviceable in that role. Something we cannot say for Tevi even though he had played a ton of football. If anything... the more experience at a horrible level a player acquires the more likely it is that it's just what his level is and a jump is unlikely. 

 

Still, IMO we need to see more from Davenport to count it as a win but ... so far so good. 

The bad situation in Houston really hampered his progress

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28 minutes ago, DougDew said:

As the backup.  He's a prospect for the backup T, probably both sides.  Julian is probably right now an upgrade over any backup T we had last year, IMO.  

Veldeer was a beast that one game...lol

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[NewColtsFan]

41 minutes ago, compuls1v3 said:

I think Davenport missed some of camp, hasn't he?

I think Davenport missed roughly the first 7-10 days of camp on the Covid protocol list.   Don’t think he had it but was close enough to someone who did that he had to isolate.  

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[chad72]

7 minutes ago, stitches said:

 

 

Thanks!!! That was really refreshing to hear.