What has Suh done to me lately?

[Mr.ZapRowsdower]

I just want opinions. Suh is a not the impact player he once was. He still a very good veteran piece that has rotational ability. He's NOT the troublemaker he once was. So the question is if we are so high on character... Why do we not sign someone like Suh who is worth the risk and could provide excellent depth on a one year, but sign Chad Kelly? Chad Kelly broke into a teammates house during a Halloween Party. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chad-kelly-arrested-on-trespassing-charge-while-in-cowboy-costume-following-broncos-halloween-party/  

It seems like a favor and that stinks. There was no reason to sign him. Kapernick is still a FA. I know he's considered a pirahaa but he had credibility. He's actually led a team to the Superbowl. Come on. 

 

[Mr.ZapRowsdower]

I'm not crying @NewColtsFan. Please argue your point.

[BleedBlu8792]

46 minutes ago, Mr.ZapRowsdower said:

I just want opinions. Suh is a not the impact player he once was. He still a very good veteran piece that has rotational ability. He's NOT the troublemaker he once was. So the question is if we are so high on character... Why do we not sign someone like Suh who is worth the risk and could provide excellent depth on a one year, but sign Chad Kelly? Chad Kelly broke into a teammates house during a Halloween Party. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chad-kelly-arrested-on-trespassing-charge-while-in-cowboy-costume-following-broncos-halloween-party/  

It seems like a favor and that stinks. There was no reason to sign him. Kapernick is still a FA. I know he's considered a pirahaa but he had credibility. He's actually led a team to the Superbowl. Come on. 

 

 

A) Suh signed with the Bucs, so signing him is a moot point. 

 

B) Chad Kelly being "signed" really doesn't mean much. He more than likely won't be on the active roster for at least another year, and god forbid nothing happens to Jacoby or Andrew. Chad is on such thin ice right now that if he sneezes wrong, his papers are likely ran through the shredder. 

 

C) The issue with Kap is he wants to be paid tier 1 money for tier 3 performance. I think more credit should be given to that San Francisco defense, because when they broke up, Kap lost his job, to Blaine Gabbert of all people, and that team won a total of 15 games in 3 years. If Kap really wanted a job in the NFL he would have had one, but he priced himself out of every situation. 

[Mr.ZapRowsdower]

Yeah, but this whole idea of character is nonsense. He may have priced himself at that. P.S. he's better than Brissett.  But at this point a smart agent would have given him the realistic number. Suh is not a moot point because he was available for a minute. Ballard has always argued competition, right? Well, Suh could have added major competition and Kap could have too. Well they signed elsewhere really isn't a argument because they could have been here. It was stupid. That Kelly dude has been living on his parents couch eating Chef Boyardee. At least Suh has played one meaningful down in his career. Competition!!!

[Mr.ZapRowsdower]

Chad Kelly vs. cap space. Against everything Ballard had said about competition? He wants it? Suh was pennies on the dollar. Everyone argued ohhhh he won't do it because of the character issues. F'n character issues. At least Suh might have done something. Wasn't he in the Superbowl last year? Or do I forget.

[Shadow_Creek]

Are we seriously still talking about that old man

[jvan1973]

17 hours ago, Mr.ZapRowsdower said:

I just want opinions. Suh is a not the impact player he once was. He still a very good veteran piece that has rotational ability. He's NOT the troublemaker he once was. So the question is if we are so high on character... Why do we not sign someone like Suh who is worth the risk and could provide excellent depth on a one year, but sign Chad Kelly? Chad Kelly broke into a teammates house during a Halloween Party. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chad-kelly-arrested-on-trespassing-charge-while-in-cowboy-costume-following-broncos-halloween-party/  

It seems like a favor and that stinks. There was no reason to sign him. Kapernick is still a FA. I know he's considered a pirahaa but he had credibility. He's actually led a team to the Superbowl. Come on. 

 

Kelly signed a 590k contract and won't make the team. 

 

Suh signed a 9 million dollar contract.    

 

Not at all comparable

[SaturdayAllDay]

19 hours ago, Mr.ZapRowsdower said:

I just want opinions. Suh is a not the impact player he once was. He still a very good veteran piece that has rotational ability. He's NOT the troublemaker he once was. So the question is if we are so high on character... Why do we not sign someone like Suh who is worth the risk and could provide excellent depth on a one year, but sign Chad Kelly? Chad Kelly broke into a teammates house during a Halloween Party. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chad-kelly-arrested-on-trespassing-charge-while-in-cowboy-costume-following-broncos-halloween-party/  

It seems like a favor and that stinks. There was no reason to sign him. Kapernick is still a FA. I know he's considered a pirahaa but he had credibility. He's actually led a team to the Superbowl. Come on. 

 

Suh didnt lead anyone to anything. One of the biggest knocks on him is that he is and has always been about himself first and foremost. He is not a "team first" guy, or a leader of men. Those are the qualities that Ballard is looking for, especially in his high paid veterans. If we paid that same 9.25m that it took to get Suh to sign with TB hed be our 6th most expensive player this year. That goes against everything Ballard has been preaching since day 1.

 

If we start like we did last yr, Suh will stop trying, just like he did in Miami, and he will sit back and complain about the team. Which might rub off on our young guys, as they see this kind of behaviour being tolerated by our coaches and even rewarded by our front office as hes one of the highest paid players on the team. We could just cut him and take the cap hit to avoid internal issues, but that potentially opens up another can of worms. Everything Ballard (and the team as a whole) does is seen by every other player/agent in the league. All they see is an aging but productive veteran player being tossed out the door midseason. That may effect the chances of us winning over other free agents down the road, as they dont want to be kicked to curb at the first sign of trouble. If a free agent is picking between 2 teams who both check all their boxes and offer about the same money, something like that could be the deciding factor. 

 

Kelly, on the other hand, is given zero guaranteed money and is essentially on a tryout to win a practice squad position, with possibly a shot at a backup qb job a year from now. There isnt a person in the Colts building that doesnt understand that he is a 1 in a million reclamation project that is on extremely thin ice. But if it doesnt happen, we cut him and lose nothing. You are comparing apples to oranges. 

[jskinnz]

3 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Kelly signed a 590k contract and won't make the team. 

 

Suh signed a 9 million dollar contract.    

 

Not at all comparable

 

It's hard to believe there are people out there who can't comprehend this.

[Dark Superman]

Stayed out of trouble.

[Four2itus]

On 5/31/2019 at 11:23 AM, SaturdayAllDay said:

Suh didnt lead anyone to anything. One of the biggest knocks on him is that he is and has always been about himself first and foremost. He is not a "team first" guy, or a leader of men. Those are the qualities that Ballard is looking for, especially in his high paid veterans. If we paid that same 9.25m that it took to get Suh to sign with TB hed be our 6th most expensive player this year. That goes against everything Ballard has been preaching since day 1.

 

If we start like we did last yr, Suh will stop trying, just like he did in Miami, and he will sit back and complain about the team. Which might rub off on our young guys, as they see this kind of behaviour being tolerated by our coaches and even rewarded by our front office as hes one of the highest paid players on the team. We could just cut him and take the cap hit to avoid internal issues, but that potentially opens up another can of worms. Everything Ballard (and the team as a whole) does is seen by every other player/agent in the league. All they see is an aging but productive veteran player being tossed out the door midseason. That may effect the chances of us winning over other free agents down the road, as they dont want to be kicked to curb at the first sign of trouble. If a free agent is picking between 2 teams who both check all their boxes and offer about the same money, something like that could be the deciding factor. 

Been saying this for a while, but not near as eloquently. Excellent break down. 

[EastStreet]

I agree Suh is about Suh....

 

That said, he's got a short clock on him. He's at a stage where he'll need to put the work in if he wants to keep getting paid. 

 

It's all about the contract.

[pacolts56]

On 5/30/2019 at 3:28 PM, Mr.ZapRowsdower said:

Kapernick is still a FA. I know he's considered a pirahaa but he had credibility. He's actually led a team to the Superbowl. Come on. 

 

What's a pirahaa? 

[2006Coltsbestever]

35 minutes ago, pacolts56 said:

What's a pirahaa? 

I thought it was a killer fish with sharp teeth 

[NewColtsFan]

On 5/30/2019 at 4:00 PM, Mr.ZapRowsdower said:

I'm not crying @NewColtsFan. Please argue your point.

 

I wasn't trying to say that YOU were crying, Zap.

 

I was tryig to say that I was crying over your post.     Sorry,  not a fan.

 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 5/30/2019 at 6:28 PM, Mr.ZapRowsdower said:

I just want opinions. Suh is a not the impact player he once was. He still a very good veteran piece that has rotational ability. He's NOT the troublemaker he once was. So the question is if we are so high on character... Why do we not sign someone like Suh who is worth the risk and could provide excellent depth on a one year, but sign Chad Kelly? Chad Kelly broke into a teammates house during a Halloween Party. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chad-kelly-arrested-on-trespassing-charge-while-in-cowboy-costume-following-broncos-halloween-party/  

It seems like a favor and that stinks. There was no reason to sign him. Kapernick is still a FA. I know he's considered a pirahaa but he had credibility. He's actually led a team to the Superbowl. Come on. 

 

 

Chad Kelly will probably not make it higher than practice squad. If he does make it to the active roster he will probably be paid vet minimum. And even that will be pro rated.

 

Suh got like $9 million from the Bucs.

See the difference?