2017-2018 Indiana Pacers and Everything NBA Thread

[Myles]

9 minutes ago, Luck is Good said:

I would definitely rather trade with the Lakers. Get the #2 pick and Brandon Ingram. Possibly Julius Randle as well. Then draft D'Aaron Fox. Go young

The Lakers wouldn't give up nearly that much.   The #2 pick and Ingram and Randle?    Not a chance.  

They may bungle Randall with Clarkson and a future #1 pick.   

[BullsColtsFan1]

19 minutes ago, Luck is Good said:

I would definitely rather trade with the Lakers. Get the #2 pick and Brandon Ingram. Possibly Julius Randle as well. Then draft D'Aaron Fox. Go young

Lakers would be a much better deal but I agree with Myles maybe Randle Clarkson or Russell Clarkson plus a future #1.  I don't think they'll give up Ingram period or the #2 pick. 

[Myles]

23 minutes ago, BullsColtsFan1 said:

Lakers would be a much better deal but I agree with Myles maybe Randle Clarkson or Russell Clarkson plus a future #1.  I don't think they'll give up Ingram period or the #2 pick. 

Even though the draft is pretty bare this year, it would be nice to get a top  10 pick in return for PG.   It looks like we'll be building around Turner, so having the youth to grow with him would be nice.   It's unfortunate that a team like the Pacers who nearly always puts a competitive team out there that makes the playoffs cannot get their hands on a top 5 pick to give them a shot.   Top free agents typically won't come here.   

Although LeBron is the main reason for the Cavs success, Irving was drafted #1 by them.   Of course, so was James.   James would not have returned to the Cavs if not for his history there, so that really isn't a case of Cleveland building by bringing in top free agents in the usual sense.  

 

I would love to see what the Pacers can do with a top draft pick.   Like I said earlier, they have had 1 top ten pick in 20 years and they did well with PG with pick #10.  

[BullsColtsFan1]

4 minutes ago, Myles said:

Even though the draft is pretty bare this year, it would be nice to get a top  10 pick in return for PG.   It looks like we'll be building around Turner, so having the youth to grow with him would be nice.   It's unfortunate that a team like the Pacers who nearly always puts a competitive team out there that makes the playoffs cannot get their hands on a top 5 pick to give them a shot.   Top free agents typically won't come here.   

Although LeBron is the main reason for the Cavs success, Irving was drafted #1 by them.   Of course, so was James.   James would not have returned to the Cavs if not for his history there, so that really isn't a case of Cleveland building by bringing in top free agents in the usual sense.  

 

I would love to see what the Pacers can do with a top draft pick.   Like I said earlier, they have had 1 top ten pick in 20 years and they did well with PG with pick #10.  

I agree with you.  Even if the Lakers gave the Pacers their #2 pick it would be well worth it, the Pacers may have to take on a player like Deng to make it work $ wise but it'd be worth it.  Where do the Pacers pick this year?  I think the Bulls pick at 17 so I would assume 18 19 or 20?

[Myles]

10 minutes ago, BullsColtsFan1 said:

I agree with you.  Even if the Lakers gave the Pacers their #2 pick it would be well worth it, the Pacers may have to take on a player like Deng to make it work $ wise but it'd be worth it.  Where do the Pacers pick this year?  I think the Bulls pick at 17 so I would assume 18 19 or 20?

Yep.   They pick 18th.   Can still get good talent, but it is much harder to find an all star at that point.   Just an odds thing.   

 

I decided to take a look at the all time numbers and see how much draft position really matters towards being an all star level player. I did results for the 1st 15 picks and it is pretty illuminating. 

Pick 1: 240 selections (16.8% total)

Pick 2: 144 selections (10.1% total)

Pick 3: 134 selections (9.4% total)

Pick 4: 98 selections (6.87% total)

Pick 5: 117 selections (8.2% total)

^by now this is already over half of all All-star selections

Pick 6: 72 selections (5% total)

Pick 7: 36 selections (2.5% total)

Pick 8: 60 selections (4.2% total)

Pick 9: 69 selections (4.8% total) Nowitzki and Havlicek account for 26 of these

Pick 10: 55 selections (3.85% total)

Pick 11: 33 selections (2.3% total)

Pick 12: 29 selections (2% total)

Pick 13: 32 selections (2.2% total) Kobe and Malone account for 27 of these

Pick 14: 52 selections (3.6% total)

^ over 82% total in lottery

Pick 15: 11 selections (0.8% total) 7 by Steve Nash

[Luck is Good]

1 hour ago, Myles said:

The Lakers wouldn't give up nearly that much.   The #2 pick and Ingram and Randle?    Not a chance.  

They may bungle Randall with Clarkson and a future #1 pick.   

I'd be wanting at least one of the two between #2 pick and Ingram. If neither of those, no deal

[Colts_Fan12]

6 hours ago, Myles said:

I would love to swap PG for the #2 overall pick.   I just don't see it happening.  If the Lakers know they are getting PG in 2018, what would be their rush?   Maybe insurance of getting him.  I hope that somehow the Pacers can build this into a bidding war, but the leverage is minimal.   I'd much rather see the Pacers get draft picks rather than players because I don't think any current players that they can get (Love) would make us contenders.    

Since 1997 (20 years), the Pacers have had only 1 top 10 pick.   That was Paul George in 2010.

Tough to argue that, on average, having a top 10 pick is a great thing.  

 

Average Career Stats by draft pick number

Pick	#	Gms	Min	Pts	Reb	Ast	Rtg	Star	Solid	RoleP	DeepB	Bust	DNP
1	20	555	32.9	16.6	7.8	2.7	27.0	70%	25%	5%
2	20	583	29.6	12.9	5.9	2.8	21.6	60%	25%	15%
3	20	535	31.9	15.2	5.1	3.5	23.8	85%	10%	5%
4	20	585	30.5	13.7	5.5	3.1	22.2	60%	30%	10%
5	20	552	28.7	13.4	4.9	2.7	21.1	60%	15%	10%	15%
6	20	406	25.4	10.2	4.6	1.7	16.5	25%	30%	30%	15%
7	20	483	26.8	10.9	4.3	2.6	17.8	30%	40%	25%	5%
8	20	397	22.9	9.3	3.9	1.9	15.2	35%	15%	15%	35%
9	20	460	23.1	10.2	4.9	1.6	16.6	30%	10%	35%	20%	5%
10	20	497	24.6	10.2	4.4	2.2	16.7	35%	25%	25%	10%	5%
11	20	389	19.4	7.5	3.5	1.4	12.4	15%	15%	30%	35%		5%
12	20	372	18.8	6.6	3.7	1.3	11.6	5%	15%	40%	30%	10%
13	20	447	22.7	9.8	3.7	1.9	15.4	20%	35%	15%	30%
14	20	312	21.1	8.8	3.0	1.9	13.7	25%	20%	25%	10%	20%
15	20	348	17.4	6.6	2.9	1.4	10.8	10%	15%	30%	20%	20%	5%

Oh no ask some here top picks aren't worth anything. But I totally agree I want picks and I want a rebuild I'm sick of staying in the mediocre range with no shot at a title. Top ten picks are how you get superstars. I'm hoping Magic will panic if we try to trade him to cleavland then they swoop in with a good offer.

[21isSuperman]

What if the Knicks join the trade talks?

 

Cleveland receives Paul George, Carmelo Anthony

Indiana receives Kristaps Porzingis, Tristan Thompson, 8th overall pick, NYK first round pick in 2018

New York receives Kevin Love, Monta Ellis/Al Jefferson

 

Indy can then look to send Thompson elsewhere (Boston?) for picks

 

Cleveland gets two stars.  Indy gets guys and picks for the future (plus a Turner/Porzingis combo would be fun to watch), New York gets rid of Melo and a disgruntled Porzingis and gets a younger Love to replace Melo.  They also add depth with Ellis or Jefferson

[Myles]

39 minutes ago, Luck is Good said:

I'd be wanting at least one of the two between #2 pick and Ingram. If neither of those, no deal

I don't think we are getting either from them.  So unless we can find a better offer, I think we take what we can get.  

[Myles]

1 minute ago, 21isSuperman said:

What if the Knicks join the trade talks?

 

Cleveland receives Paul George, Carmelo Anthony

Indiana receives Kristaps Porzingis, Tristan Thompson, 8th overall pick, NYK first round pick in 2018

New York receives Kevin Love, Monta Ellis/Al Jefferson

 

Indy can then look to send Thompson elsewhere (Boston?) for picks

 

Cleveland gets two stars.  Indy gets guys and picks for the future (plus a Turner/Porzingis combo would be fun to watch), New York gets rid of Melo and a disgruntled Porzingis and gets a younger Love to replace Melo.  They also add depth with Ellis or Jefferson

Not sure of this one, but I think a 3 team deal may be the best option for the Pacers.  

[21isSuperman]

11 minutes ago, Myles said:

Not sure of this one, but I think a 3 team deal may be the best option for the Pacers.  

Yeah, it's tough.  Cleveland doesn't have many movable assets.  I don't think they'd wanna move Kyrie, so the most likely option is moving Love.  Love has a $20 mil contract, which complicates things for trade.  As such, you'd need a team with cap space to take Love and high draft picks to send to Indy so the three teams can do a swap

[chad72]

1 hour ago, Myles said:

Yep.   They pick 18th.   Can still get good talent, but it is much harder to find an all star at that point.   Just an odds thing.   

 

I decided to take a look at the all time numbers and see how much draft position really matters towards being an all star level player. I did results for the 1st 15 picks and it is pretty illuminating. 

Pick 1: 240 selections (16.8% total)

Pick 2: 144 selections (10.1% total)

Pick 3: 134 selections (9.4% total)

Pick 4: 98 selections (6.87% total)

Pick 5: 117 selections (8.2% total)

^by now this is already over half of all All-star selections

Pick 6: 72 selections (5% total)

Pick 7: 36 selections (2.5% total)

Pick 8: 60 selections (4.2% total)

Pick 9: 69 selections (4.8% total) Nowitzki and Havlicek account for 26 of these

Pick 10: 55 selections (3.85% total)

Pick 11: 33 selections (2.3% total)

Pick 12: 29 selections (2% total)

Pick 13: 32 selections (2.2% total) Kobe and Malone account for 27 of these

Pick 14: 52 selections (3.6% total)

^ over 82% total in lottery

Pick 15: 11 selections (0.8% total) 7 by Steve Nash

 

Excellent work Myles!!! 

[Luck is Good]

16 minutes ago, Myles said:

I don't think we are getting either from them.  So unless we can find a better offer, I think we take what we can get.  

They could probably find a better offer

[Colts_Fan12]

19 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

What if the Knicks join the trade talks?

 

Cleveland receives Paul George, Carmelo Anthony

Indiana receives Kristaps Porzingis, Tristan Thompson, 8th overall pick, NYK first round pick in 2018

New York receives Kevin Love, Monta Ellis/Al Jefferson

 

Indy can then look to send Thompson elsewhere (Boston?) for picks

 

Cleveland gets two stars.  Indy gets guys and picks for the future (plus a Turner/Porzingis combo would be fun to watch), New York gets rid of Melo and a disgruntled Porzingis and gets a younger Love to replace Melo.  They also add depth with Ellis or Jefferson

I wish lol that would be killer 

[BullsColtsFan1]

2 hours ago, Myles said:

Yep.   They pick 18th.   Can still get good talent, but it is much harder to find an all star at that point.   Just an odds thing.   

 

I decided to take a look at the all time numbers and see how much draft position really matters towards being an all star level player. I did results for the 1st 15 picks and it is pretty illuminating. 

Pick 1: 240 selections (16.8% total)

Pick 2: 144 selections (10.1% total)

Pick 3: 134 selections (9.4% total)

Pick 4: 98 selections (6.87% total)

Pick 5: 117 selections (8.2% total)

^by now this is already over half of all All-star selections

Pick 6: 72 selections (5% total)

Pick 7: 36 selections (2.5% total)

Pick 8: 60 selections (4.2% total)

Pick 9: 69 selections (4.8% total) Nowitzki and Havlicek account for 26 of these

Pick 10: 55 selections (3.85% total)

Pick 11: 33 selections (2.3% total)

Pick 12: 29 selections (2% total)

Pick 13: 32 selections (2.2% total) Kobe and Malone account for 27 of these

Pick 14: 52 selections (3.6% total)

^ over 82% total in lottery

Pick 15: 11 selections (0.8% total) 7 by Steve Nash

Wow nice chart.  I agree with you, there is talent all over this draft.  A lot of people think it's a down year, I disagree.  I don't think it's a 96-97 or 03-04 draft by any means but I think it's decent.  I think the top 8 teams can get really good players and I even think the teams picking later in the first round and get some good talent to help them NOW.  Top 8 have to be Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Taytum, Fox, Monk, Isaac and maybe Dennis Smith?  Who will the Pacers target?  Guard?  Big guy? Small forward?  I would think if they traded George(Pending for who), they'd go after a small forward.  I am kind of hoping my Bulls take Justin Jackson at 16.  He's got good size, he's athletic and he can shoot(kind of inconsistent but can work on it). 

[Luck is Good]

29 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

I wish lol that would be killer 

That would be way too good to be true

[Myles]

I'm hoping that all the press and speculation happening around PG forces the Lakers into giving up more than they had hoped. 

[Myles]

53 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Excellent work Myles!!! 

Minimal credit due to me.    I actually did a little Googling and it brought me to a different forum that I cut and pasted from.   I didn't link it because it didn't seem right to link to another forum. 

 

 

[Luck is Good]

22 minutes ago, Myles said:

I'm hoping that all the press and speculation happening around PG forces the Lakers into giving up more than they had hoped. 

Maybe the Cavs talk is a ploy?

[MTC]

Saw this on Pacers Digest:

 

Quote

"On Chris Mannix’s NBC Sports Radio show, Adrian Wojnarowski said that Paul George’s camp is informing teams that he is not going to re-sign with anyone, regardless of who trades for him. The Pacers calling teams to see what they can get for him but other teams are trying to determine how much is worthwhile to give up."

http://www.indianasportscoverage.com...-trade-rumors/

 

What do you all think? Honestly, this upsets me greatly. 

 

[akcolt]

8 hours ago, Myles said:

I would love to swap PG for the #2 overall pick.   I just don't see it happening.  If the Lakers know they are getting PG in 2018, what would be their rush?   Maybe insurance of getting him.  I hope that somehow the Pacers can build this into a bidding war, but the leverage is minimal.   I'd much rather see the Pacers get draft picks rather than players because I don't think any current players that they can get (Love) would make us contenders.    

Since 1997 (20 years), the Pacers have had only 1 top 10 pick.   That was Paul George in 2010.

Tough to argue that, on average, having a top 10 pick is a great thing.  

 

Average Career Stats by draft pick number

Pick	#	Gms	Min	Pts	Reb	Ast	Rtg	Star	Solid	RoleP	DeepB	Bust	DNP
1	20	555	32.9	16.6	7.8	2.7	27.0	70%	25%	5%
2	20	583	29.6	12.9	5.9	2.8	21.6	60%	25%	15%
3	20	535	31.9	15.2	5.1	3.5	23.8	85%	10%	5%
4	20	585	30.5	13.7	5.5	3.1	22.2	60%	30%	10%
5	20	552	28.7	13.4	4.9	2.7	21.1	60%	15%	10%	15%
6	20	406	25.4	10.2	4.6	1.7	16.5	25%	30%	30%	15%
7	20	483	26.8	10.9	4.3	2.6	17.8	30%	40%	25%	5%
8	20	397	22.9	9.3	3.9	1.9	15.2	35%	15%	15%	35%
9	20	460	23.1	10.2	4.9	1.6	16.6	30%	10%	35%	20%	5%
10	20	497	24.6	10.2	4.4	2.2	16.7	35%	25%	25%	10%	5%
11	20	389	19.4	7.5	3.5	1.4	12.4	15%	15%	30%	35%		5%
12	20	372	18.8	6.6	3.7	1.3	11.6	5%	15%	40%	30%	10%
13	20	447	22.7	9.8	3.7	1.9	15.4	20%	35%	15%	30%
14	20	312	21.1	8.8	3.0	1.9	13.7	25%	20%	25%	10%	20%
15	20	348	17.4	6.6	2.9	1.4	10.8	10%	15%	30%	20%	20%	5%

LA might want to act if PG stays then makes the all NBA team next year. He should have this year IMO Then we can pay him 70'M more than any team. That's a lot of money to walk away from They won't come off #2 I don't think 

[21isSuperman]

2 hours ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

I wish lol that would be killer 

Kinda hoping Phil Jackson and James Dolan continue doing things that run the Knicks into the ground.  That's the key to making that trade happen

 

14 minutes ago, MTC said:

Saw this on Pacers Digest:

 

 

What do you all think? Honestly, this upsets me greatly. 

 

A few things here...

 

Firstly, I can't help but wonder who is leaking all of this.  If George tells Pritchard he won't re-sign, either someone in George's camp or in the Pacers front office is leaking the news.  If it's George's side, I don't see what they have to gain by saying it.  If it's the Pacers, then we deserve to lose George and get nothing in return.  The link you posted said it's George's camp that's saying all this, in which case Pritchard and Bird need to have a serious talk with George and tell him/his side to be more mature.  His camp leaking all of this is simply unacceptable.

 

Secondly, I agree.  I don't know why George is being such a flip-flopper.  Before, he said he happy Indy is surrounding him with talent and not wasting his prime.  Then wants to play for a contender, or the Lakers.  Then he said he wants to build Indy into a contender and do what Reggie couldn't and bring a championship to Indy.  Then he said Indy is his team and he's just focused on playing well next year.  Then he said he won't re-sign with the Pacers.  Now he's saying he won't re-sign with anyone.  And that's all in the matter of just one year.  I don't know if maybe someone else is pulling the strings and influencing George, but it's odd how often he's changed his mind.

 

Thirdly, this really hurts the Pacers.  Again, with George's history of changing his mind about as often as he changes socks, you never know.  The Cavs were apparently confident that their championship culture could convince him to re-sign.  Perhaps playing alongside LeBron and for a contender could sway him, since I don't see the Lakers making the playoffs next year.

[IndyScribe]

I can see LA giving up #2 if they can't wait. Honestly, the way PG is going about this reminds me of Melo. Pritchard seems to be drumming up interest from various teams. There are probably a few playoff teams that wouldn't mind PG as a one-year rental. What happens if he makes the finals, or even wins it? He probably won't go to LA. I only want the Lakers offer if it's actually the best option, not because he actually wants to go there. I'd love to see the Lakers get shafted. If they only offered #2, I'd take it and run.

27 minutes ago, MTC said:

Saw this on Pacers Digest:

 

 

What do you all think? Honestly, this upsets me greatly. 

 

At this point, most teams already know. Teams probably know that he changes his mind a lot(see the comments he recently made). Some teams probably think they can win him over(like Cleveland). Seems like damage control. Other teams probably only need him as a one year rental.

[Luck is Good]

I just saw a tweet from Marc Stein that said Cavs are looking to get Jimmy Butler in a three team trade scenario

[IndyScribe]

15 minutes ago, Luck is Good said:

I just saw a tweet from Marc Stein that said Cavs are looking to get Jimmy Butler in a three team trade scenario

Not sure why Bulls trade with the Cavs. Cavs have nothing that the Bulls want. Bulls can get assets directly from another team.

[IndyScribe]

https://t.co/ZRe7OTzfXK

 

At this point, I'd take the offer. 

[Myles]

49 minutes ago, MTC said:

Saw this on Pacers Digest:

 

 

What do you all think? Honestly, this upsets me greatly. 

 

I can't seem to find a way that this is good for PG or the Pacers.   Unless PG thinks that with that new info that only the Lakers would try to get him.   Although it also hurts because it diminishes how much the Lakers would trade to the Pacers.    It is getting to the point that playing for the Pacers is almost impossible for PG this coming season. 

[Luck is Good]

5 minutes ago, Myles said:

I can't seem to find a way that this is good for PG or the Pacers.   Unless PG thinks that with that new info that only the Lakers would try to get him.   Although it also hurts because it diminishes how much the Lakers would trade to the Pacers.    It is getting to the point that playing for the Pacers is almost impossible for PG this coming season. 

There's no way PG plays for the Pacers next season. Some deal will happen. Whether it's good or bad, I don't have a clue. But PG will be dealt. Just a matter of time

[IndyScribe]

5 minutes ago, Luck is Good said:

There's no way PG plays for the Pacers next season. Some deal will happen. Whether it's good or bad, I don't have a clue. But PG will be dealt. Just a matter of time

Yep agreed. There's no backtracking. I think a deal is done before draft day, or shortly after.

[Jules]

PG simply screwed the Pacers in a good trade IMO. Sad but true. If he wasn't so vocal about wanting to be in L.A. you may have Boston more interested with draft picks since they don't want a one year rental word is. If somehow PG could say to Boston "I will sign for a few years at least" then maybe Boston IMO would have some interest here.

I don't know how this ends up, but it's not a good situation since the Pacers may be forced to take less then what PG is worth now.  L.A. knows they can get him next year so getting the second pick in the draft is going to be very tough to do.

 

Cavs? Not sure but I have heard rumors that the Pacers are not completely jumping up and down at the idea of getting Kevin Love and a random trash player from the Cavs and questionable draft picks.

 

According to this, Stephen A. Smith (if you can believe him) thinks the Celtics are going to try and get Jimmy Butler now. Of course other teams are trying to get Butler too.

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/stephen-a-smith-says-on-espn-first-take-boston-celtics-made-philadelphia-76ers-markelle-fultz-trade-to-get-chicago-bulls-jimmy-butler

 

Quote

Smith said that the Bulls offered Butler to the 76ers in an attempt to acquire the third overall pick in the draft, but that Philadelphia wasn’t interested. Now that Boston has the pick after trading the top selection for No. 3 and a future first, Smith believes the C’s intend to trade for Butler. He added that the Celtics would then sign Gordon Hayward in free agency. 

 

Seems the Cavs are desperately though also trying it sounds to get some sort of monster trade to happen. Problem is the Cavs assets are terrible. Also if I was a player? I would not even be as interested in Cleveland at times since well it's a crappy city, they have a crappy head coach and you know the whole goal is "beat the Warriors or bust" and that mentality can add a ton of pressure IMO on someone going to Cleveland.

[IndyScribe]

Just some food for thought: If the Lakers want to sign PG and another big free agent(Lebron, or someone else), they need to move Mozgov or Deng. If they trade the #2 pick + Deng, they would free up cap space and Pacers would be willing to take on one of the bad contracts. If the Lakers don't trade Deng or Mozgov and instead give us a crappy trade for PG, they're just going to get swept in the playoffs.

[Jules]

9 hours ago, oldunclemark said:

Charles Barkley just LOVES him.......

 

I never heard Barkley say too much on him but that he thinks Love is a great player that is often not used correctly by the Cavaliers.

 

Also, one thing to note.........a lot of teams see that a lot of the Cavs SUCK when Lebron isn't on the court. He takes a few minutes off and they look lost out there and if he misses regular season games they often lose.

[IndyScribe]

2 minutes ago, Jules said:

PG simply screwed the Pacers in a good trade IMO. Sad but true. If he wasn't so vocal about wanting to be in L.A. you may have Boston more interested with draft picks since they don't want a one year rental word is. If somehow PG could say to Boston "I will sign for a few years at least" then maybe Boston IMO would have some interest here.

I don't know how this ends up, but it's not a good situation since the Pacers may be forced to take less then what PG is worth now.  L.A. knows they can get him next year so getting the second pick in the draft is going to be very tough to do.

 

Cavs? Not sure but I have heard rumors that the Pacers are not completely jumping up and down at the idea of getting Kevin Love and a random trash player from the Cavs and questionable draft picks.

 

According to this, Stephen A. Smith (if you can believe him) thinks the Celtics are going to try and get Jimmy Butler now. Of course other teams are trying to get Butler too.

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/stephen-a-smith-says-on-espn-first-take-boston-celtics-made-philadelphia-76ers-markelle-fultz-trade-to-get-chicago-bulls-jimmy-butler

 

 

Seems the Cavs are desperately though also trying it sounds to get some sort of monster trade to happen. Problem is the Cavs assets are terrible. Also if I was a player? I would not even be as interested in Cleveland at times since well it's a crappy city, they have a crappy head coach and you know the whole goal is "beat the Warriors or bust" and that mentality can add a ton of pressure IMO on someone going to Cleveland.

I think the haul for PG may be more than many think. There have been lots of rumors flying around about teams that are willing to trade for PG for a one-year rental(Clippers, Wizards, Cavs, etc.) If so, Lakers could be in danger, especially if PG makes the finals. The Pacers-Cavs trade idea involved a third team(the Sixers) which would send Love to the Sixers and assets to the Pacers. Celtics can add Hayward and Butler, and would be a much better trade partner for the Bulls than the Cavs. 

[Jules]

Just now, IndyScribe said:

I think the haul for PG may be more than many think. There have been lots of rumors flying around about teams that are willing to trade for PG for a one-year rental(Clippers, Wizards, Cavs, etc.) If so, Lakers could be in danger, especially if PG makes the finals. The Pacers-Cavs trade idea involved a third team(the Sixers) which would send Love to the Sixers and assets to the Pacers. Celtics can add Hayward and Butler, and would be a much better trade partner for the Bulls than the Cavs. 

 

Oh I see, a third team would have to jump in now. I think the best bet for this one year rental situation is still Cleveland though. 

 

If PG lands in L.A. maybe then he could just sign a long term deal and be done with it.

 

Does PG seriously though want to play with Lonzo Ball and that is attractive to him?

[IndyScribe]

6 minutes ago, Jules said:

 

Oh I see, a third team would have to jump in now. I think the best bet for this one year rental situation is still Cleveland though. 

 

If PG lands in L.A. maybe then he could just sign a long term deal and be done with it.

 

Does PG seriously though want to play with Lonzo Ball and that is attractive to him?

Cleveland might be best for PG, but there are probably other teams with better offers, like Portland. I don't think he wants to play with Lonzo so much as he wants to play in LA. 

[Myles]

10 minutes ago, IndyScribe said:

Cleveland might be best for PG, but there are probably other teams with better offers, like Portland. I don't think he wants to play with Lonzo so much as he wants to play in LA. 

I would think Cleveland would be the best place to go for PG.   He'd get to play on a team that would be a lock to make the Eastern Conference Finals and have a legitimate chance to win the title next year.   Then he'd have Cleveland and LA in a bidding war for him. 

Unfortunately for the Pacers, they are not the ideal trading partner at this time.   Their draft picks are not great and Love is the best the Pacers can get from them.   I like love, but I'm afraid the Pacers are a few years from being a contender and Love is almost 29 already.  He is good, but I think he may have peaked.  

[21isSuperman]

34 minutes ago, Jules said:

I don't know how this ends up, but it's not a good situation since the Pacers may be forced to take less then what PG is worth now.

There is one thing that gives me hope when this comes up.  Atlanta offered 4 first round picks for George at the deadline, and Denver apparently offered a huge deal too.  Even at the deadline, it was pretty well known that George wanted to play for LA.  So if teams knew George wanted to go to LA and still made those big offers back then, what's to stop someone from doing the same here?

[IndyScribe]

9 minutes ago, Myles said:

I would think Cleveland would be the best place to go for PG.   He'd get to play on a team that would be a lock to make the Eastern Conference Finals and have a legitimate chance to win the title next year.   Then he'd have Cleveland and LA in a bidding war for him. 

Unfortunately for the Pacers, they are not the ideal trading partner at this time.   Their draft picks are not great and Love is the best the Pacers can get from them.   I like love, but I'm afraid the Pacers are a few years from being a contender and Love is almost 29 already.  He is good, but I think he may have peaked.  

I think Love is a good player too, but with him, we'd never have the chance to truly rebuild. He'll also probably leave in free agency. We'd probably be fighting for the 8th seed every season and a mediocre pick, which isn't what the Pacers need. Cavs aren't a good partner at all, which is why a third team(preferably with lots of young talent and assets) is needed.

[Myles]

2 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

There is one thing that gives me hope when this comes up.  Atlanta offered 4 first round picks for George at the deadline, and Denver apparently offered a huge deal too.  Even at the deadline, it was pretty well known that George wanted to play for LA.  So if teams knew George wanted to go to LA and still made those big offers back then, what's to stop someone from doing the same here?

Don't remind me.   The Pacers flubbed big time by not jumping on that offer.  

 

I think the move to LA is a little more solidified now.

[Myles]

Just now, IndyScribe said:

I think Love is a good player too, but with him, we'd never have the chance to truly rebuild. He'll also probably leave in free agency. Cavs aren't a good partner at all, which is why a third team(preferably with lots of young talent and assets) is needed.

 Yep.  If they can get a top 10 pick from a team, I would pull the deal.