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Everywhere I go, this message board, Facebook, discussions with friends, etc...there are those who insist on bringing Peyton back to be the GM, heck some want Irsay to start handing over partial ownership of his team just to try and bring Peyton back.  

 

I would like a civil discussion on what are Peyton's pros and cons and why you think it would be a good or bad idea to bring him in to replace Grigson.

 

Personally, I'm in the camp that would rather have somebody with experience in scouting and talent evaluation, which I doubt anybody could say is a strong suit of Peyton's.  Could it be one day, maybe, but right now, nope.  People have been screaming that the Colts are wasting Luck's career, but some are willing to just hand the keys over to a guy who has never done the job before.  Would that not be considered a huge risk of wasting a few more years of Luck's career?  

 

I love Manning, for everything he's done for the Colts and for football in Indiana in general, but I'm not so blinded by love that I would do anything just to have him back.  That's my opinion.  What is yours?  Why do you want Peyton as GM?  Why don't you?  Maybe somebody can put together a good enough argument to change my mind, who knows.

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There are some out there (on twitter particularly) promoting the theory that Peyton will come on board as an executive (and part ownership) with Raye as GM. This makes sense to me. Peyton can be involved and learn, and take a similar path that Elway took with the Broncos. The same twitter heads are saying that Irsay better get it done now or Peyton will get a similar or better offer from Tennessee with the caveat that the NFL takes quite some time to approve ownership changes. 

As for why do you want Peyton? Well he is a winner. Wherever he goes, he raises the standard. Without him, Denver lacked leadership and wasted a defense that was still playing at an elite level. A training wheels type executive role would be perfect.

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Pros:

1) when it comes watching film, Peyton knows what to look for offensively and defensively.  I think he'd be great as a scout

2) he knows the Colts organization and Irsay

3) he's extremely competitive, but still has a good reputation around the league

4) proven winner and leader

 

Cons:

1) we don't know how Peyton would be as a GM.  We don't know how he would set up his big board, how he would set up contracts, how he would approach free agency, etc.

 

Not to say the pros outweigh the cons simply because I listed 4 pros and 1 con, but I think that's the general outlook.  For all we know, Peyton could be the greatest GM in the history of the league.  We just don't know because he has no experience in that area.

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I personally rather have him not come back because people will have totally unrealistic expectations of this team and if he doesn't deliver it would be hard to fire him if he's part owner of the team.

 

I don't see Manning putting himself in that type of position. Plus where has he specifically expressed interest in running a team just because others think he wants to doesn't mean he can or wants it either.

 

I rather have it be an outsider less baggage this way.

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1 hour ago, 21isSuperman said:

Pros:

1) when it comes watching film, Peyton knows what to look for offensively and defensively.  I think he'd be great as a scout

2) he knows the Colts organization and Irsay

3) he's extremely competitive, but still has a good reputation around the league

4) proven winner and leader

 

Cons:

1) we don't know how Peyton would be as a GM.  We don't know how he would set up his big board, how he would set up contracts, how he would approach free agency, etc.

 

Not to say the pros outweigh the cons simply because I listed 4 pros and 1 con, but I think that's the general outlook.  For all we know, Peyton could be the greatest GM in the history of the league.  We just don't know because he has no experience in that area.

IF I could add..

*Peyton would help attract free agents. I dont think it s a coincidence that Denver gets so many free agent players like Demarcus Ware. Darion Stewart, TJ Ward, Aqib Taib  etc....  They know what John Elway has done and they know he wants to win now.

That's why Peyton went there.   Peyton sitting in a room talking to Eric Berry, for example, would mean more to Berry than talking to Jimmy Raye III, who may get the job.

 

another con is that Peyton would be expected to win it all immediately...

...another GM would only be expected to improve from last year. Peyton's popularity in Indy would decline from the day he signed on.  Elway is an example of that, too.

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8 minutes ago, oldunclemark said:

IF I could add..

*Peyton would help attract free agents. I dont think it s a coincidence that Denver gets so many free agent players like Demarcus Ware. Darion Stewart, TJ Ward, Aqib Taib  etc....  They know what John Elway has done and they know he wants to win now.

That's why Peyton went there.   Peyton sitting in a room talking to Eric Berry, for example, would mean more to Berry than talking to Jimmy Raye III, who may get the job.

 

another con is that Peyton would be expected to win it all immediately...

...another GM would only be expected to improve from last year. Peyton's popularity in Indy would decline from the day he signed on.  Elway is an example of that, too.

Fair points.  I don't think Peyton would be expected to win it all immediately (especially since he probably wouldn't be given the GM title immediately), but there could be some cognitive dissonance with how people feel towards him if he doesn't do a good job.  It could be better to just avoid the situation altogether and bring in an outsider

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Pros: Huge boost to the fan base and the locker room. He's a god in Indy. Knows Irsay and the organisation. Would be a beast in the film room and knows what to look for when scouting FAs and draftees. 

 

Cons: Complete unknown as a GM/FO Exec, his approach to team building, draft vs FA, approach to FAs, setting up contracts.

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16 hours ago, MR. Blueblood said:

Everywhere I go, this message board, Facebook, discussions with friends, etc...there are those who insist on bringing Peyton back to be the GM, heck some want Irsay to start handing over partial ownership of his team just to try and bring Peyton back.  

 

I would like a civil discussion on what are Peyton's pros and cons and why you think it would be a good or bad idea to bring him in to replace Grigson.

 

Personally, I'm in the camp that would rather have somebody with experience in scouting and talent evaluation, which I doubt anybody could say is a strong suit of Peyton's.  Could it be one day, maybe, but right now, nope.  People have been screaming that the Colts are wasting Luck's career, but some are willing to just hand the keys over to a guy who has never done the job before.  Would that not be considered a huge risk of wasting a few more years of Luck's career?  

 

I love Manning, for everything he's done for the Colts and for football in Indiana in general, but I'm not so blinded by love that I would do anything just to have him back.  That's my opinion.  What is yours?  Why do you want Peyton as GM?  Why don't you?  Maybe somebody can put together a good enough argument to change my mind, who knows.

Why

 

Manning has already said he is not ready and doesn't want the job. 

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11 hours ago, 21isSuperman said:

Pros:

1) when it comes watching film, Peyton knows what to look for offensively and defensively.  I think he'd be great as a scout

2) he knows the Colts organization and Irsay

3) he's extremely competitive, but still has a good reputation around the league

4) proven winner and leader

 

Cons:

1) we don't know how Peyton would be as a GM.  We don't know how he would set up his big board, how he would set up contracts, how he would approach free agency, etc.

 

Not to say the pros outweigh the cons simply because I listed 4 pros and 1 con, but I think that's the general outlook.  For all we know, Peyton could be the greatest GM in the history of the league.  We just don't know because he has no experience in that area.

While I do agree with everything here I would add one thing to the cons list. While he has the scouting talent to go through tape and see talented players and their pros, cons, etc. There hasnt been much (if any) evidence that he is able to predict latent talent. 

He's amazing at knowing who is good and bad now, but he may not be able to know which mid Round prospect had the potential to be the better player a year or 2 down the line. He might be good at this, but we don't really know. 

 

With any luck this would hopefully be offset by learning under Jimmy raye, who is known to be our UDFA guy, and has done a pretty good job of it imo. 

 

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13 hours ago, SaturdayAllDay said:

While I do agree with everything here I would add one thing to the cons list. While he has the scouting talent to go through tape and see talented players and their pros, cons, etc. There hasnt been much (if any) evidence that he is able to predict latent talent. 

He's amazing at knowing who is good and bad now, but he may not be able to know which mid Round prospect had the potential to be the better player a year or 2 down the line. He might be good at this, but we don't really know. 

 

With any luck this would hopefully be offset by learning under Jimmy raye, who is known to be our UDFA guy, and has done a pretty good job of it imo. 

 

True, but I think he'll know what to look for.  For example, a certain cornerback might display great hip fluidity or a linebacker displays great change of direction skills.  When you notice those things, you can make an assessment about whether the prospect has enough raw talent/athletic ability that your coaches can develop him into a contributing player

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I don't think Peyton Manning is perfect. But one aspect he would bring to the table is the kind of winning culture we have been lacking. Next, he has a great work ethic, and pays great attention to the details. Finally, he sees important things - in the game of football and its players - that few others can see. I'm not sure you can teach that.

 

While he lacks administrative experience, that can be learned.

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On 1/22/2017 at 11:33 AM, 21isSuperman said:

Pros:

1) when it comes watching film, Peyton knows what to look for offensively and defensively.  I think he'd be great as a scout

2) he knows the Colts organization and Irsay

3) he's extremely competitive, but still has a good reputation around the league

4) proven winner and leader

 

Cons:

1) we don't know how Peyton would be as a GM.  We don't know how he would set up his big board, how he would set up contracts, how he would approach free agency, etc.

 

Not to say the pros outweigh the cons simply because I listed 4 pros and 1 con, but I think that's the general outlook.  For all we know, Peyton could be the greatest GM in the history of the league.  We just don't know because he has no experience in that area.

I'm on board with this.  

I think a Pro would be that he would make the Colts a little more attractive for free agents.   

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On 1/22/2017 at 0:42 PM, oldunclemark said:

IF I could add..

*Peyton would help attract free agents. I dont think it s a coincidence that Denver gets so many free agent players like Demarcus Ware. Darion Stewart, TJ Ward, Aqib Taib  etc....  They know what John Elway has done and they know he wants to win now.

That's why Peyton went there.   Peyton sitting in a room talking to Eric Berry, for example, would mean more to Berry than talking to Jimmy Raye III, who may get the job.

 

another con is that Peyton would be expected to win it all immediately...

...another GM would only be expected to improve from last year. Peyton's popularity in Indy would decline from the day he signed on.  Elway is an example of that, too.

 

Those FA's where attracted to the Broncos because they where in a position to win a SB and they wanted to get in on it.  

 

Elway being the GM didn't attract them so much as the chance to win a championship.  

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On 1/22/2017 at 2:04 AM, 19colt said:

There are some out there (on twitter particularly) promoting the theory that Peyton will come on board as an executive (and part ownership) with Raye as GM. This makes sense to me. Peyton can be involved and learn, and take a similar path that Elway took with the Broncos. The same twitter heads are saying that Irsay better get it done now or Peyton will get a similar or better offer from Tennessee with the caveat that the NFL takes quite some time to approve ownership changes. 

As for why do you want Peyton? Well he is a winner. Wherever he goes, he raises the standard. Without him, Denver lacked leadership and wasted a defense that was still playing at an elite level. A training wheels type executive role would be perfect.

 

If Peyton is going to be a GM for Indy I'm guessing that's what's going to happen.  He's gonna take a lower level position in the front office for a few years to learn the ropes a bit.  

 

But I'm not sure he wants to.  He's still doing plenty of commercials.  Any network broadcasting football would pay top dollar for him to come on and be an analyst because of his personality.  

 

The guy has a lot of options plus the option of just going home and spending the rest of his days with his wife and kids and never having to work again.

 

On top of that Irsay is not nor should he be expected to give Peyton partial ownership of the team.  The team is something that he's gonna pass to his daughters in it's entirety. 

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24 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

On top of that Irsay is not nor should he be expected to give Peyton partial ownership of the team.  The team is something that he's gonna pass to his daughters in it's entirety. 

 

More complicated than that. Peyton could add substantially more value to the Colts. Yes, Peyton would benefit through partial ownership, but the Irsay family could financially benefit far greater than they would without Peyton's contributions to the team. Is it money? Or is it power and absolute control? If it is power and control, that could easily be a weakness, not a strength.

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6 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

IOn top of that Irsay is not nor should he be expected to give Peyton partial ownership of the team.  The team is something that he's gonna pass to his daughters in it's entirety. 

 

It sounds like this is something Peyton wants - a small piece of the pie. His wife is already part-owner of the Grizzlies. 

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On 1/22/2017 at 11:33 AM, 21isSuperman said:

Pros:

1) when it comes watching film, Peyton knows what to look for offensively and defensively.  I think he'd be great as a scout

2) he knows the Colts organization and Irsay

3) he's extremely competitive, but still has a good reputation around the league

4) proven winner and leader

 

Cons:

1) we don't know how Peyton would be as a GM.  We don't know how he would set up his big board, how he would set up contracts, how he would approach free agency, etc.

 

Not to say the pros outweigh the cons simply because I listed 4 pros and 1 con, but I think that's the general outlook.  For all we know, Peyton could be the greatest GM in the history of the league.  We just don't know because he has no experience in that area.

I think this sums it up pretty well.

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