Superman's 2016 offseason mock (1.0)

[Superman]

By the way, on Noah Spence:

 

McShay has Spence at #32 on his big board.

Kiper doesn't have Spence in his top 25. 

Mayock has Spence as his #2 edge rusher, which probably makes him top 20, and maybe higher with the way he's gushed over him lately.

CBSSports has Spence at #22 on their big board. 

On January 6, Matt Miller had Spence at #41 on his big board.

 

There's general consensus so far that Spence is reasonable at #18. 

 

This might all change over the next few weeks. 

[OffensivelyPC]

56 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Cameron Wake is in the final year of his deal. I could see him agreeing to an extension that reduces his yearly average and cap hit in 2016, and I think that's probably needed. If the Dolphins had to choose, I think they would part with the 34 year old Wake altogether in order to keep Vernon, who's only 26. I think he should be Miami's #1 priority.

 

I haven't seen anything that the Seahawks have re-signed Irvin. But he did say he's willing to take less to stay in Seattle. We'll see how that goes.

 

I haven't watched Jonathan Williams or Jordan Howard, yet. I've seen them, but only while watching other players. I have zero interest in Derrick Henry, not that you were suggesting him.

On Vernon, I'm sure they will prioritize him (they should,  to be sure), but they still have lots tied up in Suh. They may not be able to afford Vernon with or without Wake...so they could opt to keep the option they know they still have. As you say, we will see. I've got my fingers crossed he becomes available.

 

On Irvin, I could have sworn I saw the Seahawks resigned him but maybe i am remembering it wrong. Bottom line in my mind is, if he I'd taking a discount to stay in Seattle, he is not available.

 

If you have zero interest in Henry, then any team we build can't be that bad. Keep that in mind if you ever make it beyond these forums.

 

 

 

 

[BOTT]

10 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

I agree it is easy to argue until after the combine and pro days.  I think with Von Miller showing how important rush is, is why he will shoot up draft boards but again thats IMO.  Again I like what you did though.

He won't shoot up boards because of Von Miller....everyone understood the importance of pass rushers before his post season performance.

[Gavin]

-Love the Spence pick. I think he could make an impact his rookie year

-I like the Dodd pick

-Don't really think you did enough at Center or Guard(Though again I have no problem making it Thorntons job to lose at RG but I will have to watch more of Garnett.

 I will have to watch more of the others as well

 

[Coltscrazy]

Hey Superman,

 

Every year we have the same discussion - The offensive line.  We will have to agree to disagree.  Can Jake Long play anymore?  Is Ben Jones better than Holmes?  I agree defense with the first pick.  If we can't get a good edge, there are tons of CBs in this draft. What about Jarran Reed in the first as a nose tackle?

 

There should be a good center in the 2nd like Graham Glasgow or Nick Martin.  They could be huge upgrades.  I like Garnett in the third.  I also believe we need a good RT.  Wouldn't Jeff Allen of the Chiefs be a good tackle?    Castonzo  Mewhort Glasgow Garnett Allen

 

All three upgrades are good prices.  I think we owe it to Luck to give him some protection.

 

There is outrageous depth at CB.  Guys like Eric Murry from the Gophers could be there in the 4th round.  Unreal.

 

I liked Dwight Lowry.  He made some big plays. I'm not sure he is just some average disposable guy.

 

I love the idea of keeping Billy Winn.  He looked good.

I might keep Whitehurst.  He looked solid.  If Hasselbeck retires, he would be a good vet backup.

 

 

[RockThatBlue]

9 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

think about how awesome our pass rush would be in this scenario. Hopefully Vernon and Spence would start with Mathis, Walden, and Dodd as the backups. I like Dodd. I wouldn't take him in the first, but I would in the 2nd in a heartbeat. We'd be loaded with EDGE rushers and I love that idea.

That would be awesome. If Spence and Dodd fall to us and Grigson picks them I'd have to pinch myself to make sure its not a dream.

[krunk]

17 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

think about how awesome our pass rush would be in this scenario. Hopefully Vernon and Spence would start with Mathis, Walden, and Dodd as the backups. I like Dodd. I wouldn't take him in the first, but I would in the 2nd in a heartbeat. We'd be loaded with EDGE rushers and I love that idea.

Did you really just list Robert Mathis as the Back Up to Vernon and Spence? On what planet? What has Olivier Vernon produced to be starting over Mathis? I get you like Spence but this is the NFL and there is a learning curve to this thing. Mathis is still quite productive and should be even better now that he's fully healed. There's a reason why Monachino said Mathis would be a major part of the pass rush plans this year. As great as Mathis is he did not start his first year in the league and we didn't even have any good pass rushers on the team outside a young Freeney. Spence hasn't played a single down in the NFL and you're already pronouncing him as the starter over a guy who's been a monster for years? Mathis just put up 7 sacks and he didn't even start the whole year. Plus he was healing from the injury. Hey I like Spence but I'm not ready to get on that boat yet my friend!

 

[ztboiler]

1 hour ago, krunk said:

Did you really just list Robert Mathis as the Back Up to Vernon and Spence? On what planet? What has Olivier Vernon produced to be starting over Mathis? I get you like Spence but this is the NFL and there is a learning curve to this thing. Mathis is still quite productive and should be even better now that he's fully healed. There's a reason why Monachino said Mathis would be a major part of the pass rush plans this year. As great as Mathis is he did not start his first year in the league and we didn't even have any good pass rushers on the team outside a young Freeney. Spence hasn't played a single down in the NFL and you're already pronouncing him as the starter over a guy who's been a monster for years? Mathis just put up 7 sacks and he didn't even start the whole year. Plus he was healing from the injury. Hey I like Spence but I'm not ready to get on that boat yet my friend!

 

I get what you mean, but it's not nonsense to project Mathis as a nickel rusher at this point in his career.  

[krunk]

16 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

I get what you mean, but it's not nonsense to project Mathis as a nickel rusher at this point in his career.  

 

Who projected him as a nickel rusher?

[krunk]

19 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

I get what you mean, but it's not nonsense to project Mathis as a nickel rusher at this point in his career.  

 

If you're saying he's nothing but a nickel rusher I couldn't disagree more. He doesn't have a lot of years left, but I don't see either one of those guys coming in and putting Mathis on the bench in 2016. I don't.

[ztboiler]

1 hour ago, krunk said:

 

Who projected him as a nickel rusher?

I'm simply using that term as a definable non-starting role - use rotational if you prefer - but Mathis was a rotational player this year and it is reasonable to project him as such in 2016 as well.  Nobody is putting him on the bench, but its probably more reasonable to project him as a specialist than an every down player at this point - and he is paid like it too.

 

 

[krunk]

6 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

I'm simply using that term as a definable non-starting role - use rotational if you prefer - but Mathis was a rotational player this year and it is reasonable to project him as such in 2016 as well.  Nobody is putting him on the bench, but its probably more reasonable to project him as a specialist than an every down player at this point - and he is paid like it too.

 

 

 

Wouldn't you reason it had more to do with the injury?  One can point to his age, but you still have to out perform the guy.  I say fully healthy neither one of those guys will beat him out in 2016.  Do you think he would have been rotational in 2015 if he wasn't injured?

[gacker65]

On 2/15/2016 at 11:05 AM, Superman said:

 

I see Dodd as a down lineman, but I can see him being drafted before our pick in the 2nd round. 

I agree, that we wont see Dodd at our pick in the 2nd round.  I see a 34 team drafting him.

 

I have watched a bit of tape on Clemson and liked what I've seen by Dodd.  He played in 2 and 3 point stance.  Set edge on runs.  Pass rushed (using speed rush mostly).  Dropped back in coverage against RBs and TEs.

 

Only problem I noticed was, Doesn't go all out when play is away and past the line of scrimage.

 

Would like to see him on the Colts with Spence.

[Mameluc]

I love it the only thing i hesitate about is oliver vernon. I think he i spretty good but i dont know he seems kinda stiffed to play OLB

[SteelCityColt]

I would, and I'm being deadly serious here, take you over Grigson as GM.

[ztboiler]

1 hour ago, krunk said:

 

Wouldn't you reason it had more to do with the injury?  One can point to his age, but you still have to out perform the guy.  I say fully healthy neither one of those guys will beat him out in 2016.  Do you think he would have been rotational in 2015 if he wasn't injured?

It's as reasonable to project him as the starting rush backer again - as you suggest, now that he is fully recovered, as it is to call him a nickel rusher.  We simply don't know how the pieces are going to fit together yet.  I'd be shocked if Mathis doesn't play more snaps in 2016 than 15, since he'll be healthy on day 1, but that doesn't mean his role will be different than it was the second half of the season.  I'd also be shocked if he played as many snaps as he did in 2013.

 

However, you reference someone having to beat him out.  Its not about that anymore, and I doubt that he is worried about getting beat out by a younger player.  Its about maximizing his impact at this point in his career. Furthermore, we need snaps going to his successor - it benefits all - and some of those snaps will be on run downs, where Mathis is very average at best.  Lots of win-win possibilities. 

[krunk]

21 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

It's as reasonable to project him as the starting rush backer again - as you suggest, now that he is fully recovered, as it is to call him a nickel rusher.  We simply don't know how the pieces are going to fit together yet.  I'd be shocked if Mathis doesn't play more snaps in 2016 than 15, since he'll be healthy on day 1, but that doesn't mean his role will be different than it was the second half of the season.  I'd also be shocked if he played as many snaps as he did in 2013.

 

However, you reference someone having to beat him out.  Its not about that anymore, and I doubt that he is worried about getting beat out by a younger player.  Its about maximizing his impact at this point in his career. Furthermore, we need snaps going to his successor - it benefits all - and some of those snaps will be on run downs, where Mathis is very average at best.  Lots of win-win possibilities. 

 

What you say is reasonable.  My biggest thing was we are not just going to bring a couple guys in and then automatically put Mathis on the bench like some old has been. Mathis is still very productive.   Whoever we bring in is going to have to work for that. In my opinion I don't see Spence or Vernon being good enough to do that in 2016.  Especially not from a pass rushing standpoint.  I see the point you make on run downs maybe, but I don't think he'll be fully relegated to being a nickel rusher.  I can see taking less snaps on run downs than previously.

[ztboiler]

24 minutes ago, krunk said:

 

What you say is reasonable.  My biggest thing was we are not just going to bring a couple guys in and then automatically put Mathis on the bench like some old has been. Mathis is still very productive.   Whoever we bring in is going to have to work for that. In my opinion I don't see Spence or Vernon being good enough to do that in 2016.  Especially not from a pass rushing standpoint.  I see the point you make on run downs maybe, but I don't think he'll be fully relegated to being a nickel rusher.  I can see taking less snaps on run downs than previously.

If he played every nickel snap, he'd play roughly half the snaps from that position alone, and he will play more than that.  

[Superman]

10 hours ago, SteelCityColt said:

I would, and I'm being deadly serious here, take you over Grigson as GM.

 

That's scary. But thanks.

[Coffeedrinker]

Great break down as usual Superman.  I learn more about potential players avalilable from reading your posts then any "sports site" that I could sift through.

 

But I figured you'd have the Colts drafting Ragland in the 1st. ;)

[Superman]

8 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Great break down as usual Superman.  I learn more about potential players avalilable from reading your posts then any "sports site" that I could sift through.

 

But I figured you'd have the Colts drafting Ragland in the 1st. ;)

 

That will be Bizarro Superman's first round pick.

[Stillen]

How would you feel about getting Eric Berry and Janoris Jenkins instead of Trumaine Johnson? Or does it take up too much cap?

[krunk]

2 hours ago, Stillen said:

How would you feel about getting Eric Berry and Janoris Jenkins instead of Trumaine Johnson? Or does it take up too much cap?

Eric Berry was the first guy the Chiefs started talking with about a new contract. He will very likely be with the chiefs in 2016.

[Superman]

7 hours ago, Stillen said:

How would you feel about getting Eric Berry and Janoris Jenkins instead of Trumaine Johnson? Or does it take up too much cap?

 

I think it would be too expensive, but I wouldn't have a problem with those signings.

[Defjamz26]

I have to think that the Newsome arrest would make Grigs hesitate on a guy like Spence in the 1st. Imagine the damage if a 1st round pick was to get busted for the same issue he had in college.

 

And when you think about, Newsome and Spence basically have the same story. Talented pass rushers from Ohio State who got dismissed from the program for substance issues. The thing is that Spence is a lot better than Newsome. 

[wig]

2 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

I have to think that the Newsome arrest would make Grigs hesitate on a guy like Spence in the 1st. Imagine the damage if a 1st round pick was to get busted for the same issue he had in college.

 

And when you think about, Newsome and Spence basically have the same story. Talented pass rushers from Ohio State who got dismissed from the program for substance issues. The thing is that Spence is a lot better than Newsome. 

 

Yeah, my problem with mocking Spence to us is I doubt it happens.  I'd like it to, but don't see it.  I say this because if he convinces people that his issues are behind him, he'll be gone before our pick.  If there are still some concerns, I don't think the Colts are the team to take a risk. 

 

I could be wrong, but I don't see it.

[wig]

On 2/16/2016 at 9:19 AM, SteelCityColt said:

I would, and I'm being deadly serious here, take you over Grigson as GM.

 

This is a pretty ridiculous statement.  There is not a single person here that could be an NFL GM.  The difference between mocking ideas and executing a plan are so vastly different it's not even worth considering.  

[SteelCityColt]

30 minutes ago, wig said:

 

This is a pretty ridiculous statement.  There is not a single person here that could be an NFL GM.  The difference between mocking ideas and executing a plan are so vastly different it's not even worth considering.  

 

I wouldn't so sure..Jerry Jones got to play GM after all. 

[Nesjan3]

looks pretty legimate would love if something similair to this happened, my only concern would be not bringing back lowery and moving Geathers to starter status in year 2, i think we retain Lowery 2 more years and let Geather continue to play a limited role

[Superman]

On 2/19/2016 at 9:18 AM, wig said:

 

This is a pretty ridiculous statement.  There is not a single person here that could be an NFL GM.  The difference between mocking ideas and executing a plan are so vastly different it's not even worth considering.  

 

I'm truly hurt that you don't think I could run an NFL team.

[OffensivelyPC]

On 2/17/2016 at 5:15 PM, Superman said:

 

That will be Bizarro Superman's first round pick.

If not him then Ezekiel Elliott. Laugh out loud.

 

On 2/19/2016 at 0:18 PM, wig said:

 

This is a pretty ridiculous statement.  There is not a single person here that could be an NFL GM.  The difference between mocking ideas and executing a plan are so vastly different it's not even worth considering.  

Would that include a guy posing as a guy posing (I kid) as a GM? I think the 2 posers would cancel out and you would have a legit GM.