Deflategate Central (one thread, merged, moderated)

[ViriLudant]

By waiting a decade before winning a SB after their first dynasty?

4 SBs in 14 years. 6 SB appearances, almost half during that time period. What, 8 AFCCGs?

Yeah, that's parity.

[Gramz]

This is never going away, is it?

[ViriLudant]

I disagree. They didn't submit footballs that weren't inflated properly; that probably happens all the time, based on the interviews with refs that are in the Wells report.

They evidently went out of their way to manipulate footballs after they had been signed off on by the refs, going so far as to take them without permission from the officials' locker room and release air from them. That's not 'we thought we had them within the legal range.' That's cheating.

Not the worst kind of cheating ever, not a scandalous affair that is likely to have influenced the outcome of a lot of games (possibly, but that's impossible to know). But still deliberately breaking the rules and undermining the officials' ability to do their job, which is ensure a fair and even playing field.

Except that they can't prove this whatsoever.

Next ?

[Surge89]

This is never going away, is it?

[ViriLudant]

Um....yeah no. Have yet to see anywhere that states the Colt's balls were under the 12.5......and I've read both reports in full......

Four Colt balls were under 12.5 PSI.

Fact.

Edited July 29, 2015 by Nadine
name calling

[csmopar]

All of that was refuted by the PA who said there was a never a deal for a reduction ...

Not according to your boy Tom, the liar

 

"I am very disappointed by the NFL’s decision to uphold the 4 game suspension against me. I did nothing wrong, and no one in the Patriots organization did either.

Despite submitting to hours of testimony over the past 6 months, it is disappointing that the Commissioner upheld my suspension based upon a standard that it was “probable” that I was “generally aware” of misconduct. The fact is that neither I, nor any equipment person, did anything of which we have been accused. He dismissed my hours of testimony and it is disappointing that he found it unreliable.

I also disagree with yesterdays narrative surrounding my cellphone. I replaced my broken Samsung phone with a new iPhone 6 AFTER my attorneys made it clear to the NFL that my actual phone device would not be subjected to investigation under ANY circumstances. As a member of a union, I was under no obligation to set a new precedent going forward, nor was I made aware at any time during Mr. Wells investigation, that failing to subject my cell phone to investigation would result in ANY discipline.

Most importantly, I have never written, texted, emailed to anybody at anytime, anything related to football air pressure before this issue was raised at the AFC Championship game in January. To suggest that I destroyed a phone to avoid giving the NFL information it requested is completely wrong.

To try and reconcile the record and fully cooperate with the investigation after I was disciplined in May, we turned over detailed pages of cell phone records and all of the emails that Mr. Wells requested. We even contacted the phone company to see if there was any possible way we could retrieve any/all of the actual text messages from my old phone. In short, we exhausted every possibility to give the NFL everything we could and offered to go thru the identity for every text and phone call during the relevant time. Regardless, the NFL knows that Mr. Wells already had ALL relevant communications with Patriots personnel that either Mr. Wells saw or that I was questioned about in my appeal hearing. There is no “smoking gun” and this controversy is manufactured to distract from the fact they have zero evidence of wrongdoing.

I authorized the NFLPA to make a settlement offer to the NFL so that we could avoid going to court and put this inconsequential issue behind us as we move forward into this season. The discipline was upheld without any counter offer. I respect the Commissioners authority, but he also has to respect the CBA and my rights as a private citizen. I will not allow my unfair discipline to become a precedent for other NFL players without a fight.

Lastly, I am overwhelmed and humbled by the support of family, friends and our fans who have supported me since the false accusations were made after the AFC Championship game. I look forward to the opportunity to resume playing with my teammates and winning more games for the New England Patriots."

 

 

There I even highlighted it for you, am.  Admit it, someone is lying on Brady's side, either Tom himself (wouldnt surprise me) or the PA rep......

[Superman]

Except that they can't prove this whatsoever.

Next ?

 

Goodness...

[csmopar]

Except that they can't prove this whatsoever.

Next ?

right so the evidence that they took the balls without permission into a bathroom for over a minute and a half is nothing.........

 

You know what all this is evidence of? A failed school system in Boston and the surrounding areas......

[Gramz]

I believe in poetic justice. Something will happen to make this right.

[ViriLudant]

Goodness...

Thanks for proving my point. Experts from Yale, BC, and MIT Have all proven that the Patriots balls could have deflated naturally .

But hey, since you won't accept scientific evidence, what's the point?

[ViriLudant]

right so the evidence that they took the balls without permission into a bathroom for over a minute and a half is nothing.........

You know what all this is evidence of? A failed school system in Boston and the surrounding areas......

You mean Massachusetts, that has a top five educational system in the country ?

Next?

Again, you can't prove that the balls were deflated then.

[crazycolt1]

I wonder if Kraft pushes things further. He seemed even more * than he did after Wells report came out.

Who cares? The world and the NFL does not revolve around Kraft. He is just one of 32 owners.

[RockThatBlue]

Thanks for proving my point. Experts from Yale, BC, and MIT Have all proven that the Patriots balls could have deflated naturally .

But hey, since you won't accept scientific evidence, what's the point?

Key word is COULD. And if that was the case the colts balls would have had the same psi but they didn't.

[18Manning]

Perhaps someone has asked this before, or posted a comment, but I'm not going to look for it. For everyone claiming Goodell/NFL is trying to ruin Brady's reputation, what would be the reasoning behind that? Why would the NFL want to ruin the reputation of a 4-time SB winning QB? It would only make sense that the NFL would be motivated to exonerate Brady. It's their product that looks bad.

[HOZER]

4 SBs in 14 years. 6 SB appearances, almost half during that time period. What, 8 AFCCGs?

Yeah, that's parity.

And all in question now once again due to cheating........such a shame.

Next....

[PeterBowman]

Perhaps someone has asked this before, or posted a comment, but I'm not going to look for it. For everyone claiming Goodell/NFL is trying to ruin Brady's reputation, what would be the reasoning behind that? Why would the NFL want to ruin the reputation of a 4-time SB winning QB? It would only make sense that the NFL would be motivated to exonerate Brady. It's their product that looks bad.

the only one ruining Brady's reputation is himself

[PeterBowman]

a stat to keep a close eye on this year:

 

New England's fumble statistics.

[RockThatBlue]

And all in question now once again due to cheating........such a shame.

I don't see how pats fans do it. If the colts did something similar I'd be pretty angry. I'd be even more angry that the player lied about it.

[aaron11]

Thanks for proving my point. Experts from Yale, BC, and MIT Have all proven that the Patriots balls could have deflated naturally .

But hey, since you won't accept scientific evidence, what's the point?

one last time, its not innocent until proven guilty.

[csmopar]

Four Colt balls were under 12.5 PSI.

Fact.

Ok lets see your facts:  Here I'll start. Right out of the Wells Report:

FACT 1:

Each of the Patriots’ 11 footballs tested at halftime measured below the 12.5 psi benchmark. Four Colts balls tested were between 12.5 and 13.5 psi. Only four of the Colts’ balls were tested because officials were running out of time before the start of the second half. The Patriots’ footballs were inflated to proper levels for the rest of the game.

 

Fact 2: Patriot's Balls Numbers

 

Prioleau’s measurements were, in PSI: (1) 11.8; (2) 11.2; (3) 11.5; (4) 11.0; (5) 11.45; (6) 11.95; (7) 12.3; (8) 11.55; (9) 11.35; (10) 10.9; and (11) 11.35.

Blakeman’s measurements were, also in PSI: (1) 11.5; (2) 10.85; (3) 11.15; (4) 10.7; (5) 11.1; (6) 11.6; (7) 11.85; (8) 11.1; (9) 10.95; (10) 10.5; and (11) 10.9.

Fact 3:

You keep talking about facts proving Tom's and the Pat's innocence, but have yet to provide any "facts" from a credible source, or any at all.  

 So instead of calling me a liar, how bout you man up, stand up and bring out some "facts" instead of sucking down whatever Tom Brady decides to throw out

[Swan Ronson]

Has anybody asked Kraft how exactly he thought accepting the penalty would exonerate Brady? 

 

That's a strange one.

[18Manning]

the only one ruining Brady's reputation is himself

 

I agree, but many Brady supporters suggest "everyone is out to get him", "trying to ruin his reputation". I would think the NFL would be the last to want to make their product look bad. To suggest Goodell/NFL is out to get him is ridiculous.

[csmopar]

You mean Massachusetts, that has a top five educational system in the country ?

Next?

Again, you can't prove that the balls were deflated then.

 

Yeah okay...keep on dreaming.

[Crush22]

For those of you thinking that Kraft is against Brady, you just missed his press conference.

Kraft on TV right now:

1. Last time he'll talk.

2. NFL decision "unfathomable."

3. Fully supports TFB.

4. APOLOGIZES TO FANS FOR HIS ACTIONS IN MAY/JUNE. Says that he was wrong. WHOA!!!!!!!!!

5. False reports shaped public decision.

6. NFL DELIBERATELY SLANDERED BY NEFARIOUS "BROKEN CELL PHONE" HEADLINES.

7. People in NFL office are more interested in being right than doing what was fair or just.

8. He regrets what he did in May.

9. Accepted penalty because he thought that it would exonerate Brady.

10. He was wrong to have faith in the league.

Gee, look at this... Kraft throws down the gauntlet.

So those of you claiming that Kraft's lack of support for Brady was telling, what say you now?

You copied that from PatriotsPlanet. Did you actually write that on there or just to lazy to give your own opinion?

[Superman]

Thanks for proving my point. Experts from Yale, BC, and MIT Have all proven that the Patriots balls could have deflated naturally .

But hey, since you won't accept scientific evidence, what's the point?

 

Not to the extent that they did deflate, and there are scientists from all corners backing the Exponent model and results. But those don't matter...

 

Yet and still, the Patriots obviously don't believe this Ideal Gas Law defense. Otherwise, McNally and Jastremski wouldn't have been fired. 

[Gramz]

Not to the extent that they did deflate, and there are scientists from all corners backing the Exponent model and results. But those don't matter...

Yet and still, the Patriots obviously don't believe this Ideal Gas Law defense. Otherwise, McNally and Jastremski wouldn't have been fired.

Where are those two guys now? I am willing to bet we havn't heard the last of them.

[ColtsBlueFL]

You mean Massachusetts, that has a top five educational system in the country ?

Next?

Again, you can't prove that the balls were deflated then.

 

One thing is certain.  We will know exactly how balls respond to different weather by the end of this season.  There will be calibrated gauge, testing before during and after each game, in all conditions.  All balls numbered and psi logged.  Totally protected by security.  The information collected this year will tell the story, and then we'll all know if it was more fact or fiction.

 

All the new rules here-

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/26/footballs/GBfXQAzFzbqh8gCwUHADTO/story.html

 

An interesting item, the footballs still need to measure between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI. If a ball comes in above or below those numbers, it will be adjusted to 13.0 PSI.  No longer will Refs try to adjust to what they felt the QB liked.

[Superman]

Where are those two guys now?

 

Bound and gagged deep in the bowels of Gillette Stadium...

[PeterBowman]

Bound and gagged deep in the bowels of Gillette Stadium...

or with Jimmy Hoffa

[weslo1812]

Deflategate makes NFL look much worse than Tom Brady, Patriots

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-07-28/tom-brady-nfl-ruling-deflategate-suspension-upheld-roger-goodell-bill-belichick-patriots?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

That's one article... of course there will be those few who stay those stupid things. But I bet if you did a poll on it... reaults,would definitely show different.

[csmopar]

a stat to keep a close eye on this year:

 

New England's fumble statistics.

good point

[Gramz]

In all seriousness, this whole thing nauseates me to no end.

Such a ridiculous amount of resources spent, both monetary and time and energy, that is all so unnecessary and could have all been avoided with simple honesty.

[amfootball]

Brady said in his statement that they were trying to work on a settlement.

And he also said that the league never responded ...

[jvan1973]

So Goodell lied about Brady destroying his phone, can't wait to see the rest of the lies that will come out as the appeal info becomes public ...

no he didn't

[Jason_]

All of that was refuted by the PA who said there was a never a deal for a reduction ...

 

 

And he also said that the league never responded ...

 

That has nothing at all to do with the fact that you previously said that claims of a deal were refuted.  Have you ever in your life admitted to being wrong or making a mistake?

[Superman]

 

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL was willing to drop the suspension by "at least 50 percent" if Brady: (1) admitted to having knowledge of whatever John Jastremski and Jim McNally were doing to the footballs; (2) admitted to failing to cooperate with the Ted Wells investigation; and (3) apologized.-PFT

@RapSheet: Interesting. @judybattista says the sides were moving close to a 1-game suspension settlement. But Brady wanted records sealed. NFL wouldn’t

Putting these two things together, it seems Brady didn’t want to admit guilt and the public find out.

@BenVolin: Source said the NFLPA declined to call McNally or Jastremski as witnesses at the appeal. Goodell gave them an opportunity to be heard.

On page 12 of Goodell’s ruling, Brady’s attorneys offered a spreadsheet with the numbers Brady had texted from the destroyed phone. The NFL would have to contact each individual and ask for the information. This is what Brady’s attorneys are calling "unprecedented electronic information".

 

 

All of that was refuted by the PA who said there was a never a deal for a reduction ...

 

 

Brady said in his statement that they were trying to work on a settlement.

 

 

And he also said that the league never responded ...

 

Your bolded comment, promoting what the NFLPA said yesterday, is contradictory to what Brady's statement said. 

[GwinnettColt]

Why destroy your phone if you haven't done anything?

[amfootball]

Your bolded comment, promoting what the NFLPA said yesterday, is contradictory to what Brady's statement said. 

This is what Brady said,

 

I authorized the NFLPA to make a settlement offer to the NFL so that we could avoid going to court and put this inconsequential issue behind us as we move forward into this season. The discipline was upheld without any counter offer.

 

Again, there was never a deal for any reduction on the part of the league which is what the PA had stated yesterday.

[Gramz]

Your bolded comment, promoting what the NFLPA said yesterday, is contradictory to what Brady's statement said.

If I'm reading that correctly, the NFL did counter, and were willing to reduce the suspension (standard proceedure) if Brady would accept some responsibility and acknowledge some guilt (also standard proceedure with appeals), but Brady would not agree to these terms..

So, because the counter wasn't what the Brady camp wanted, it's viewed as no counter was offered?

[Nadine]

If I'm reading that correctly, the NFL did counter, and were willing to reduce the suspension (standard proceedure) if Brady would accept some responsibility and acknowledge some guilt (also standard proceedure with appeals), but Brady would not agree to these terms..

So, because the counter wasn't what the Brady camp wanted, it's viewed as no counter was offered?

not one that COUNTED as a counter offer

This gets more bizarre all the time