Self inflicted wounds hurt the most...

[YOUR GM]

Our receiver depth (I'm talking LEGIT depth, not just some names on a piece of paper), prior to last night, started with Hilton, and ends with Moncrief. Sure we have Johnson, for this year, but we all know how old he is and that there aren't any guarantees after this season.

A former college basketball player who's never played football, a CFL project who's only in the league because of who his dad is, an error-prone fumble machine KR/PR specialist, a 34 year old veteran, and a practice squad guy does not constitute good wide receiver depth. That's just my opinion though. Maybe they're the greatest group ever assembled, I kind of doubt it though.

And all those positions you named on defense, are still available in the draft. Last night was the first round of the draft, and Grigson has 8 picks left. So what's your beef?

Your first sentence is repeated around here every off season. That should be a primary indicator to STOP investing in that position every off-season. If your free agents aren't working out, and you're not willing to be patient with your draft picks, you end up in receiver purgatory.

I mean, listen to yourself for a minute. You're complaining about receiver depth when we have Hilton and Johnson on the roster (not to mention our receiving threats at other positions), yet we don't even have a STARTER at one of the safety spots yet. We never learn. The Colts kinda deserve to get embarrassed if they're willfully ignoring the biggest weakness that our chief opponent has made abundantly clear for 3 years and counting now. This team wants to be soft, and a lot of the fans are on board with it. So be prepared to take your medicine again in January when Luck and his receivers are once again sitting on the sidelines watching some random bum put up 200 yards on the ground against our "monster" defense.

"But, but, but... He had 4.3 SPEED though!"

[Jules]

Lets not get overly dramatic or anything?

[Rally5]

So just to be clear, you didn't like the pick? 

Let me think about it some.....

[Rally5]

yes we did, and reggie was hardly any bigger and didnt contribute much until his second and third years.  it was a very similar situation where everyone wanted defense but the value wasnt there so we took the best wr on the teams board.

Who was it, I'm a pretty big fan for a long time....it was Jarom Paython at number 2, in fact we really relied on Dilger and Pollard in the passing game and back then Peyton had a fairly heavy reliance on Edge out fo the backfield.  It's a really bad comparison.

[aaron11]

Who was it, I'm a pretty big fan for a long time....it was Jarom Paython at number 2, in fact we really relied on Dilger and Pollard in the passing game and back then Peyton had a fairly heavy reliance on Edge out fo the backfield.  It's a really bad comparison.

i was talking about pathon.  he wasnt amazing but #2 WRs arnt supposed to be.  its not that we were set at WR by any means but we did have a bunch of pass catchers like TEs and Rbs as u said.  the reason the comparison works is not because of the similarty in the reciever groups, but rather that defense was perceived to be a MUCH bigger need when our offense was already pretty decent. 

 

the fact that we had two very good recievers on the team(marvin and pollard) caused a bit of an uproar when we picked reggie.and the D was really bad, quite a bit worse than it is now if im remembering right

[Rally5]

i was talking about pathon.  he wasnt amazing but #2 WRs arnt supposed to be.  its not that we were set at WR by any means but we did have a bunch of pass catchers like TEs and Rbs as u said.  the reason the comparison works is not because of the similarty in the reciever groups, but rather that defense was perceived to be a MUCH bigger need when our offense was already pretty decent. 

 

the fact that we had two very good recievers on the team(marvin and pollard) caused a bit of an uproar when we picked reggie.and the D was really bad, quite a bit worse than it is now if im remembering right

This is very different than that, there was very little outrage about Reggie just surprise because we did think it was a D pick but there was a ton a talk about needing an opposite for Marvin.  I remember it well.

[aaron11]

This is very different than that, there was very little outrage about Reggie just surprise because we did think it was a D pick but there was a ton a talk about needing an opposite for Marvin.  I remember it well.

we remember things pretty differently then.  maybe outrage isnt the word but there was more backlash than normal.  it didnt help that reggie didnt do much the first few years either.  polian got plenty of heat for drafting a future legend over a team need.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Your first sentence is repeated around here every off season. That should be a primary indicator to STOP investing in that position every off-season. If your free agents aren't working out, and you're not willing to be patient with your draft picks, you end up in receiver purgatory.

I mean, listen to yourself for a minute. You're complaining about receiver depth when we have Hilton and Johnson on the roster (not to mention our receiving threats at other positions), yet we don't even have a STARTER at one of the safety spots yet. We never learn. The Colts kinda deserve to get embarrassed if they're willfully ignoring the biggest weakness that our chief opponent has made abundantly clear for 3 years and counting now. This team wants to be soft, and a lot of the fans are on board with it. So be prepared to take your medicine again in January when Luck and his receivers are once again sitting on the sidelines watching some random bum put up 200 yards on the ground against our "monster" defense.

"But, but, but... He had 4.3 SPEED though!"

I wasn't complaining about our WR depth, you're misquoting me. I just said it might not be as deep as everyone seems to think. As a matter of fact, I feel like I'm the only one around here not complaining.

You should stop putting words in my mouth.

[Stephen]

This is exactly the problem.  In the first round you usually want to get a difference maker.  What kind of difference is this guy going to make riding the bench?  

 

He and Moncrief both of whom may be way too good to be #3 receivers on most teams are going to battle it out for the #3 receiver spot which isn't even going to be all that important when you consider that we have Fleener and Allen and we pretty much use Fleener as our #3 guy anyways while Allen plays the more traditional TE role.

 

And given that Moncrief has a year on the guy we just spend a first round pick on a guy who's going to be the #6 option in the passing game.  

 

It feels like Grigson is more interested in helping Luck set records then winning football games.  And even then it doesn't make a lot of sense.  You can only put so many receivers on the field.  

this kid will be our kick and punt returner along with wr

[TrueBlue12]

Two of our last six picks have been backup wide receivers plus Johnson and Carter in FA.  Last year with only 5 picks we took one for the future.  Now we have another with our first pick.  One of my best buds is a New England fan (we have issues sometimes) and he wanted a wide out but then said "Belichick is too smart to waste picks on wideouts."  Then I watch as we take our 9th receiver and New England goes Bonkers over the 12th BPA going to the Super Bowl Champ which just happened to be our position of need.  Yes, Dorsett is a burner, we'll get to see how fast he can get back and forth to the water cooler because he nor Moncreif are even starters.  Maybe we can watch them race each other on the sidelines, Yea!  Grigson better pull the world's biggest 'WOW' the next two days for Defense.  Brown, Collins, Kendricks, Goldman, Gregory........Brady won a SuperBowl with incredibly average wide receivers and just ran the ball down our "monster" throat.

And to make it worse the Pats have doubled down on their running game by drafting Tre Jackson an excellent road grading OG. We could have really, really used Malcom Brown.

[GoColts8818]

I have radical idea why don't we let this pick playout before we rush to judgement just because we want to rant on a forum.

[Rally5]

I have radical idea why don't we let this pick playout before we rush to judgement just because we want to rant on a forum.

I'm sorry man, I thought this is what forums were for, I guess we all just line up and celebrate every move we make.  Look man, I've been a fan long before most, during the dark days most don't remember and won't admit they really didn't support the team.  Lot's of fans after we started winning though.  I haven't missed 5 games since they came to town, so in all politeness you can radically stuff your rant comment.  Two claps up!

[Rally5]

Someone in this thread needs to go find another team.

I've been with this team through thick and thin since they came to town.  VERY few other people can honestly say that...we've had lot's of fans since we began to win.  That's easy!  If you are so simple as to expect complete and total fealty as a fan we'd still have Frank Kush as our coach....if you know who that is. You may be a Rick Venturi guy, those were lean years, I watched when most abandoned the dome.  So, hopefully you're speaking to someone else.

[GoColts8818]

I'm sorry man, I thought this is what forums were for, I guess we all just line up and celebrate every move we make. Look man, I've been a fan long before most, during the dark days most don't remember and won't admit they really didn't support the team. Lot's of fans after we started winning though. I haven't missed 5 games since they came to town, so in all politeness you can radically stuff your rant comment. Two claps up!

ive been a fan as long as I can remeber and yes I remember the 1-15 season that was worse than the Peyton Manningless year. So what's your point about being a fan longer than most? It doesn't make your opinion any more valuable than anyone's just as me being a fan for a longtime and longtime poster here doesn't make my opinion valuable. It frankly doesn't matter when someone became a fan.

I also didn't say anyone wasn't entitled to their opinion. They can have any opinion they want. However, I am also entitled to my own opinion and mine is that those who rush to judgement on draft classes based on one pick before that player is even in town let alone played a game just because they want to rant are silly. With that said if they wish to do so of course that is what the forum is for.

[ruksak]

Things go so much smoother if people just stick to telling other people why they disagree with an opinion, as opposed to attacking them for having a specific opinion. 

 

If someone says "I don't like player_X", and you disagree, just explain why you like the player or pick, or why you feel it was a good move by our Front Office. 

 

Golden Rule; Discuss the post, not the poster.

[Rally5]

ive been a fan as long as I can remeber and yes I remember the 1-15 season that was worse than the Peyton Manningless year. So what's your point about being a fan longer than most? It doesn't make your opinion any more valuable than anyone's just as me being a fan for a longtime and longtime poster here doesn't make my opinion valuable. It frankly doesn't matter when someone became a fan.

I also didn't say anyone wasn't entitled to their opinion. They can have any opinion they want. However, I am also entitled to my own opinion and mine is that those who rush to judgement on draft classes based on one pick before that player is even in town let alone played a game just because they want to rant are silly. With that said if they wish to do so of course that is what the forum is for.

Good, I gave very detailed explanation as to why I thought our first pick was an irresponsible one, I have the right, if you don't like it provide some insight but don't sling insults at me because you don't like my opinion.  If opinions other than yours bother you forums may not be the best place for you.  Go Colts!

[GoColts8818]

Good, I gave very detailed explanation as to why I thought our first pick was an irresponsible one, I have the right, if you don't like it provide some insight but don't sling insults at me because you don't like my opinion. If opinions other than yours bother you forums may not be the best place for you. Go Colts!

first of all I didn't insult you I made a general statement about people who are over reacting to this pick as many have been if you feel that applies to you that's on you. It also wasn't an insult it was just a suggestion. If you don't want to follow it fine no skin off my nose.

I made it because I like most Colts fans are tired of coming here and seeing everything the Colts do being said it stinks or was a mistake. Despite how some feel Ryan Grigson is not nearly as bad of a GM as some want him to be. This team didn't go from 2-14 to the AFC title game in three years despite him.

Second of all I have already stated my thoughts on the pick in two other threads about the pick including a rather detailed one on draft night where I compared it to the year they took Reggie Wayne and people lost their minds they didn't take a cornerback in the first round. If this kid turns out to be half as good as Reggie was for us people will change their tune on the pick.

I am just saying let it playout before rushing to judgement on it. If the kid stinks there will be a lot of time to bash Grigson for it later with proof to back it up rather than just being upset because they didn't draft a player a poster wanted.

[Rally5]

first of all I didn't insult you I made a general statement about people who are over reacting to this pick as many have been if you feel that applies to you that's on you. It also wasn't an insult it was just a suggestion. If you don't want to follow it fine no skin off my nose.

I made it because I like most Colts fans are tired of coming here and seeing everything the Colts do being said it stinks or was a mistake. Despite how some feel Ryan Grigson is not nearly as bad of a GM as some want him to be. This team didn't go from 2-14 to the AFC title game in three years despite him.

Second of all I have already stated my thoughts on the pick in two other threads about the pick including a rather detailed one on draft night where I compared it to the year they took Reggie Wayne and people lost their minds they didn't take a cornerback in the first round. If this kid turns out to be half as good as Reggie was for us people will change their tune on the pick.

I am just saying let it playout before rushing to judgement on it. If the kid stinks there will be a lot of time to bash Grigson for it later with proof to back it up rather than just being upset because they didn't draft a player a poster wanted.

That's better than your original version.  

[ColtStrong]

It's funny that you guys actually think we were deep at receiver going into last night. First things first, I don't think Duron Carter's making this roster, I hate to break it to ya, but the hype on this guy in this forum is out of control. He'll get a lot of preseason reps with the backups, and if he's productive (big IF), he'll either be trade bait or a practice squad guy, that's about it. Griff Whalen is useless, will almost certainly be cut, and if not, he'll just be a practice squad player as well. Andre Johnson might still have some fumes in the tank, but I'd be surprised if he's on the team after this season to be honest. And oh yeah, Reggie Wayne's gone.

 

So we're left with TY Hilton and Donte Moncrief. The addition of Dorsett makes this a very dangerous trio. I don't see the problem with this pick, especially considering there are still 8 more.

Totally agree. It was a great pick. I think it's funny how people put down Grigson and the FO when they don't pick someone who they liked. Like I would trust anyone on this board to make picks for the team. Good God. I'm embarrassed to be a Colts fan at times. A lot of people are going on ignore. Too many arm-chair entitled-whiners here.

 

People are raging like someone just murdered their newborn baby. Unbelievable.

[ColtStrong]

first of all I didn't insult you I made a general statement about people who are over reacting to this pick as many have been if you feel that applies to you that's on you. It also wasn't an insult it was just a suggestion. If you don't want to follow it fine no skin off my nose.

I made it because I like most Colts fans are tired of coming here and seeing everything the Colts do being said it stinks or was a mistake. Despite how some feel Ryan Grigson is not nearly as bad of a GM as some want him to be. This team didn't go from 2-14 to the AFC title game in three years despite him.

Second of all I have already stated my thoughts on the pick in two other threads about the pick including a rather detailed one on draft night where I compared it to the year they took Reggie Wayne and people lost their minds they didn't take a cornerback in the first round. If this kid turns out to be half as good as Reggie was for us people will change their tune on the pick.

I am just saying let it playout before rushing to judgement on it. If the kid stinks there will be a lot of time to bash Grigson for it later with proof to back it up rather than just being upset because they didn't draft a player a poster wanted.

Well said. It's not life or death, it's football. Relax and enjoy.

[Warhorse]

This is new, bashing the team for making bad decisions based on opinions, before we have proof. Have no fear though, if proved wrong, the contrition will easily be as in depth and as copious as the complaint.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not.......

[NewColtsFan]

So.....

 

The draft is now over.....

 

How do those "self inflicted wounds" look now?!?

 

Personally,   I think we did pretty darn well.....   but that may be just me?

[Dark Superman]

Dorsett is an NFL ready wide receiver with world class speed that not even Hilton can match. He's also insurance (Just in case we lose Hilton in FA)

Drafting for needs is just as important as building for the future.

[Dark Superman]

So.....

 

The draft is now over.....

 

How do those "self inflicted wounds" look now?!?

 

Personally,   I think we did pretty darn well.....   but that may be just me?

I personally think we had a great Draft.

And we can still tweak the roster before the start of the 2015 season. I think we made a trade for Vontae Davis in August/September.

I'm hoping we make a trade for Mychal Kendricks in Philly. Kid is a beast!

[ruksak]

I'm fully satisfied with the draft as of now. Hopefully most of our picks will actually make the team. I know that picking a WR with our first was a shock and it started a bit of a landslide here, but that's OK. It just indicates how badly the fans want a legitimate defense to go with this powerful offense. 

[CoachLite]

This is new, bashing the team for making bad decisions based on opinions, before we have proof. Have no fear though, if proved wrong, the contrition will easily be as in depth and as copious as the complaint.

 

not.......

 

But, that is a human trait - to use information and knowledge from the past, with whatever intelligence you can muster, to predict the future. People looking at the team see things differently. Looking at the history of successes and failures affects the way the team is perceived.

 

Some of the team's critics may prove to be right, after all.  Maybe not.  Time will tell.

[chrisfarley]

1. sad to not see moncrief get as much time

2. sad to see the players we passed

3. i love dorsett but no the pick

4. this affect t.y.'s extension

I always wonder how a pick like this resonates with the other WR's & TE's.  Duron is brought in albeit green to NFL, Moncrief is looking very promising, we add Andre, & we have arguably one of the best young receivers in the game -- deep down, are they as perplexed as everyone else, yes, I'm darn sure of it.  A morale hit?

[CoachLite]

1. sad to not see moncrief get as much time

2. sad to see the players we passed

3. i love dorsett but no the pick

4. this affect t.y.'s extension

 

Nicely put! The GM must always consider the cost of opportunities not taken and lost, as much as the advantages and disadvantages of the player chosen.  What is the "cost" of lost opportunities?  We'll see next time we play NE.

[texascolt]

There are colt fans here who say Brady wins with marginal WR's, which is true. But (IMO)the Pats

O Line has been much better than ours which gives Brady more time to pass and the WR's to get open.

[Valpo2004]

this kid will be our kick and punt returner along with wr

 

Defending this pick with the fact that he can return kicks and punts is a no go for me.  You don't draft a special teams guy in the first round.  Barring injury that's all he's gonna be for 2 years, unless we don't re-sign TY.

[chrisfarley]

I'm fully satisfied with the draft as of now. Hopefully most of our picks will actually make the team. I know that picking a WR with our first was a shock and it started a bit of a landslide here, but that's OK. It just indicates how badly the fans want a legitimate defense to go with this powerful offense. 

we might be able to still do some trading or land a FA or two that could be impactful for the defense.  crossing fingers. 

[Danfish98]

Don't hate the Dorsett pick quite as much after the draft as I did after day 1.  I still think Brown was the correct way to go though.  That being said, I think Grigson killed it in round 3, both those guys are going to be very good players.  I'm also quite pleased with Robinson in round 6.  When you can get running backs like that in late rounds it just reinforces that there's basically never a reason to pick one early.  Hopefully we learned our lesson there with the Richardson debacle.  Overall I find the draft a net positive but that doesn't change not liking how the first round went.

[ColtStronger]

great point I haven't seen brought up since wee took Dorsett. When you have a QB like Luck you don't take WRs in the 1st round especially in a deep as hell WR class

In part, that goes to show you why we get outcoached by Belichek.  How many GREAT WR's has Brady had? Very minimal throughout his career!  Why?  Because, it really isn't as big of a need to them, because they're busy drafting defensive powerhouses and brickwalls on the line, that can absolutely crush us!  So, glad we had so many weapons last year, that was so effective while we were getting manhandled.