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how far can we go without 87?

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It's a major blow, but Reggie has steered the team leader status from himself to Luck many times over the last two seasons.  I have faith that Andrew will continue to lead with great authority, so I am not worried about the physique of the Colts.  I am worried about the talent level drop off though.  

 

Bey has not impressed me with his apparent inability to layout and grab a catchable pass, and Hilton has been hit and miss on the long ball.  I find myself wondering who is going to catch the ball, going forward.

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Losing 87 could be a death blow if were being honest, Bey is inconsistent at best, Hilton is red hot one day, luke warm to cold the next. Fleener flashes his ability at times but has not put it all together yet consistently. Luck while much better then last year puts his receivers in tough spots where they have to go up and get the ball when they should not have to, Wayne was great at it...The others not very good at it, I dont think we will implode but it could happen. Going to be impossible to replace Reggie this year if he is out for the rest of it

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This loss makes the loss of Allen even bigger.

I wonder if Brazil will see the field more now, they must have kept him for a reason. I don't know how confident I am in our starting receivers being TY and DHB.

Brazill will have to step up his game. He has been none existent in the two games back. DHB made strides last night... and we will probably see a lot more tight ends.

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Losing 87 could be a death blow if were being honest, Bey is inconsistent at best, Hilton is red hot one day, luke warm to cold the next. Fleener flashes his ability at times but has not put it all together yet consistently. Luck while much better then last year puts his receivers in tough spots where they have to go up and get the ball when they should not have to, Wayne was great at it...The others not very good at it, I dont think we will implode but it could happen. Going to be impossible to replace Reggie this year if he is out for the rest of it

I think we'll suffer a drop of performance. But I think we still pull together and step up. If nothing else, to do it for Reggie.

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It's a major blow, but Reggie has steered the team leader status from himself to Luck many times over the last two seasons.  I have faith that Andrew will continue to lead with great authority, so I am not worried about the physique of the Colts.  I am worried about the talent level drop off though.  

 

Bey has not impressed me with his apparent inability to layout and grab a catchable pass, and Hilton has been hit and miss on the long ball.  I find myself wondering who is going to catch the ball, going forward.

 

T.Y has been a stud! 

 

Do you have an example or two in which he's 'missed' going long? I can't really think of any.

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I dunno, it'll be a blow, yes.  But we still have TY and DHB, Brazill isn't that bad and can get open.  His issue was drops last year.  So if he can sure that up, I'm confident that we'll still be able to compete with the best teams.  But we are losing a lot of guys and at this rate, if we lose too many more key players for the season, i'll be pretty worried.  But keep in mind, the MRI hasnt' come back yet.  Initial reports were that it was ACL tear, but remember the hit Jordy took and everyone thought he was done for the year?  Yeah, dude just played yesterday.  And Reggie's didn't look half as bad.  Here's hoping for the best :goodluck:

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Reggie will get better, in the mean time next man up. Reggie was always limited based on double coverage. Perhaps now it'll open room for other receivers like Brazill, Reed, Rogers, etc. Hilton you know moves to the no.1 spot next to heyward-bey. They will continue to win. Luck was pressured and had taken responsibly for the bad pass which unfortunately led to Wayne's injury. He'll be back soon.

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I think we move TY to Reggie's slot and activate Whalen. I think we find a way to win, but this is a huge blow. But I think TY steps up big. Still think we win the division and make it to at least the 2nd rounder of the playoffs.

I agree we need to activate Whalen if Reggie's out. I've heard the guy catches just about anything thrown his way.

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I found myself pretty upset at various parts of the game. Im not sure if it was Pep, or if it was Luck, but they were really forcing the ball to TY, and it just wasnt working. Something has seemed off between Luck/TY I started noticing in the Jax game, and it has seemed to continue. Im wondering what it is. 

 

TY was targeted 11x last night, and had 2 rec. That is not good. (Fleener was 5/5, Reg was 5/8, DHB was 4/7).

 

As for how far we can go. Who knows, I never thought they'd beat Sea, SF, or Den and they have beaten all 3, so my opinion seems to be pretty worthless. 

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whalen wont cut it. He's a blair white. We have to see what Rodgers has or brazil will have to step up.

Blair white moved the chains when his number was called though, he did exactly what he was supposed to do. You do not need track stars and all pro athletes on the field in order to win, look at the pats for that model. You need a mix of guys to win match ups and to work with in themselves and the scheme. Whalen fills that role. Speed with DHB (but he is with questionable hands), speed with TY (again young and inconsistent) and Fleener (who knows what he will do). Add in Donald brown to catch out of the backfield and Richardson (who was supposed to have been a good pass catcher). Whalen makes sense in possession guy to complete a package group of receivers on the field at any one time. Nobody is coming in and replacing Reggie and his leadership as well as production, all you can hope is the next guy can help and elevate the other receivers on the field as well.
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The Colts cannot possibly replace 87 and without 87 the Colts have zero chance of going far into the playoffs. That said, on a positive note the AFC South is not a strong division so there's a good chance that the Colts, especially with a much easier second half of a season, can win their division. I feel that winning the division and then making an early exit in the playoffs is the most likely scenario. Now on to future years  there's a decent chance the Colts will never see 87 play again.  I know that is difficult to accept for many die-hard Colts fans but that is the truth.  There is no way to replace Wayne anytime soon so I along with many here will be praying for him to be back in uniform next season.  If he isn't however than I feel Pagano and Grigson can make the adjustments to not become the next Jaguars or see such a severe drop off as when they lost Manning. That said they will not win a superbowl for the forseeable future maybe not even in this era without a top tier wide reciever like Wayne.  So in summary, the loss of Wayne won't make the Colts into a horrible team it will just downgrade the Colts from a great team to a decent or at best good team. A team that still has a chance to make the playoffs and win their division but a team with no chance to go far into the playoffs. And let's not forget why Wayne is injured, as Luck said in the post-game interview it was his fault. He made a bad pass that Wayne tore his ACL trying to get to.  It is Andrew Luck's fault the Colts lost Reggie Wayne.  I feel that's important to keep in mind and may effect who the Colts can acquire in the future if Wayne is not back next season.

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The Colts cannot possibly replace 87 and without 87 the Colts have zero chance of going far into the playoffs. That said, on a positive note the AFC South is not a strong division so there's a good chance that the Colts, especially with a much easier second half of a season, can win their division. I feel that winning the division and then making an early exit in the playoffs is the most likely scenario. Now on to future years  there's a decent chance the Colts will never see 87 play again.  I know that is difficult to accept for many die-hard Colts fans but that is the truth.  There is no way to replace Wayne anytime soon so I along with many here will be praying for him to be back in uniform next season.  If he isn't however than I feel Pagano and Grigson can make the adjustments to not become the next Jaguars or see such a severe drop off as when they lost Manning. That said they will not win a superbowl for the forseeable future maybe not even in this era without a top tier wide reciever like Wayne.  So in summary, the loss of Wayne won't make the Colts into a horrible team it will just downgrade the Colts from a great team to a decent or at best good team. A team that still has a chance to make the playoffs and win their division but a team with no chance to go far into the playoffs. And let's not forget why Wayne is injured, as Luck said in the post-game interview it was his fault. He made a bad pass that Wayne tore his ACL trying to get to.  It is Andrew Luck's fault the Colts lost Reggie Wayne.  I feel that's important to keep in mind and may effect who the Colts can acquire in the future if Wayne is not back next season.

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I agree with you Drew. Super Bowl hopes are over until we replace Reggie with comparable talent. The rest of our WR corp is way too inconsistent. They're as athletic as could be, but we don't have a possession guy anymore.

We are not even halfway through the season. I would hold off giving up on our team... no one even knows what actions the will take, and someone unexpected could step up big.

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We are not even halfway through the season. I would hold off giving up on our team... no one even knows what actions the will take, and someone unexpected could step up big.

 

Reggie Wayne was/is an amazing and incredible player. To think that anyone could "step up" and replace him is doing a huge disservice to someone that's been a rock for this Colts offense.  I know it is difficult to accept but Wayne is irreplacable.  Please don't take that as the rest of our receivers are garbage because they aren't, I think several are very good but no one has anywhere near the talent or skill of 87 and no one is going magically step-up become as good as 87. I also don't feel that it's giving up on the team to say that they are no longer superbowl contenders. I know we can end this season with a play-off birth and win our division and I think that is success just by itself.

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We are not even halfway through the season. I would hold off giving up on our team... no one even knows what actions the will take, and someone unexpected could step up big.

That is true. But we are talking about Reggie. It not like we have a stable of guys of that caliber. That's like losing Randy Moss, Michael Irving, or, dare I say it, Jerry Rice. He was that important to this team, for his abilities and his leadership.

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And let's not forget why Wayne is injured, as Luck said in the post-game interview it was his fault. He made a bad pass that Wayne tore his ACL trying to get to.  It is Andrew Luck's fault the Colts lost Reggie Wayne.  I feel that's important to keep in mind and may effect who the Colts can acquire in the future if Wayne is not back next season.

that is just plain stupid.  you seriously think a FA wr this off season would hold it against Luck that he threw a pass a little short when dodging a defender and throwing over another and the WR got a freak injury??   i agree with a lot of other things you said but this was just WAY too far.  

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that is just plain stupid.  you seriously think a FA wr this off season would hold it against Luck that he threw a pass a little short when dodging a defender and throwing over another and the WR got a freak injury??   i agree with a lot of other things you said but this was just WAY too far.  

 

To disagree with me is to disagree with Luck himself. Andrew Luck took responsibility, watch the post-game interview.  If anyone needs to step up the rest of the season its not our wide receiver corps its him. He needs to show leadership and become a quarterback that receivers will want to come play for.  Of course this is assuming that 87 doesn't come back next season. He very well could be back and if he is than this is a moot point and the Colts will be superbowl contenders again especially without the injuries that the team has suffered this year. I'm simply making the case that IF Wayne doesn't come back Luck has to show through the remainder of this season that he has the leadership and skill to make players from other teams want to come play for him.  I also think it was incredibly admirable that Luck took responsibility and shows his true character.

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Simple.... We win the Superbowl. We use Reggie's injury as motivation. We play hard, step up and win it for Reggie. while this is a big blow and you cannot replace a Reggie Wayne, there is no doubt in my mind that Reggie will inspire this team. Reggie loves this team and he will, from the sidelines, hospital bed, whatever, hold these guys to a high standard. 

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To disagree with me is to disagree with Luck himself. Andrew Luck took responsibility, watch the post-game interview.  If anyone needs to step up the rest of the season its not our wide receiver corps its him. He needs to show leadership and become a quarterback that receivers will want to come play for.  Of course this is assuming that 87 doesn't come back next season. He very well could be back and if he is than this is a moot point and the Colts will be superbowl contenders again especially without the injuries that the team has suffered this year. I'm simply making the case that IF Wayne doesn't come back Luck has to show through the remainder of this season that he has the leadership and skill to make players from other teams want to come play for him.  I also think it was incredibly admirable that Luck took responsibility and shows his true character.

You've said enough. Any receiver that wouldn't wanna come play with Andrew needs their head examined. He is clearly the future of the nfl. Just the fact that Andrew put Reggie's injury on himself is impressive... Unfortunate but impressive. He's young, the pocket was collapsing and he had to get rid of it quick. Injuries happen. Luck is not to blame.

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You've said enough. Any receiver that wouldn't wanna come play with Andrew needs their head examined. He is clearly the future of the nfl. Just the fact that Andrew put Reggie's injury on himself is impressive... Unfortunate but impressive. He's young, the pocket was collapsing and he had to get rid of it quick. Injuries happen. Luck is not to blame.

Than you disagree with Andrew Luck.  I respect Luck enough that I take what he says as an honest assessment. If you don't want to believe him than that is your choice.  Anyway, this is getting severely off topic.  I'm finished, I would love to see the team rally around this injury and win a super bowl but the question was how far do you think that this team can go and I feel that this team can still be good and win the division and get into the playoffs.  This will not be anywhere near as devastating as the Manning injury and this is still a good team even without Wayne. 

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