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#41 southwest1

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

You said it. If the Colts can't win the Super Bowl, I want the Broncos to do it. I don't like Elway all that much, but Peyton deserves it.


Hey 21isSuperman, what have you got against #7 anyway? Are you allergic to HOF QBs or what? Only Teasing my friend... haha

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:49 PM

Hey 21isSuperman, what have you got against #7 anyway? Are you allergic to HOF QBs or what? Only Teasing my friend... haha


Hey, there is such a thing as equine phobia!
I have a friend who is from Cleveland, and he hates, hates, hates John Elway!

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:54 PM

Hey, there is such a thing as equine phobia!
I have a friend who is from Cleveland, and he hates, hates, hates John Elway!

Many Colts fans hate Elway. I only started to forgive him with his demonstrated respect and exuberance for Peyton when they were recruiting him. It would be nice to hear him express some remorse for his behavior way back when.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:56 PM

Hey 21isSuperman, what have you got against #7 anyway? Are you allergic to HOF QBs or what? Only Teasing my friend... haha

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I just don't like how he reacted to the Colts drafting him. He was drafted by Baltimore and refused to play for them and demanded a trade. I don't like it when players do that. Now, if he had solid reasons for doing so, I might come to like him a bit more. But I really don't like it when a rookie tries to dictate where he plays.

What's crazy to me is that before yesterday's game, Peyton had thrown 29 TD passes this season and that is the franchise record for the Broncos. I always thought Elway would have had at least one season where he threw more than 29 TDs

Hey, there is such a thing as equine phobia!
I have a friend who is from Cleveland, and he hates, hates, hates John Elway!

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:02 PM

So let me see if I got it

Steelers - Great chemistry
Falcons - Bad chemistry
Texans - More bad chemistry
Raiders - Sweet chemistry!
Patriots - Aw man bad chemistry again
Chargers - Chemistry once more!! Woo woo!


Question is will they suddenly lose their "chemistry" when they play the Ravens and then magically regain it the next week against the Browns...only time will tell.


"Chemistry" jokes aside Vance87.

Even you have to admit that the Peyton Manning experiment has yielded a Playoff Caliber AFC West Division Winning NFL Team & that's no magic formula, chemical hocus pocus my friend!

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

Many Colts fans hate Elway. I only started to forgive him with his demonstrated respect and exuberance for Peyton when they were recruiting him. It would be nice to hear him express some remorse for his behavior way back when.

Hey, there is such a thing as equine phobia!
I have a friend who is from Cleveland, and he hates, hates, hates John Elway!

I just don't like how he reacted to the Colts drafting him. He was drafted by Baltimore and refused to play for them and demanded a trade. I don't like it when players do that. Now, if he had solid reasons for doing so, I might come to like him a bit more. But I really don't like it when a rookie tries to dictate where he plays.

What's crazy to me is that before yesterday's game, Peyton had thrown 29 TD passes this season and that is the franchise record for the Broncos. I always thought Elway would have had at least one season where he threw more than 29 TDs


I find it ironic that very few people hold QB Eli Manning to the same standard considering he was drafted by San Diego and he clearly rejected where he was drafted to go as well. Not a criticism of anyone on here per say just an observation.

Eli takes no condemnation at all for what he did in dismissing the Chargers where he was selected to go originally. Considering how the Manning Family is NFL royalty in this country, as they should be, I find it strange that no one in the Manning family faces scrutiny for not going where you were drafted to go. Eli Manning did the same thing John Elway did. Let's be fair here. Thank you.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

I find it ironic that very few people hold QB Eli Manning to the same standard considering he was drafted by San Diego & he clearly rejected where he was drafted to go as well. No a criticism of anyone per say just an observation. Eli takes no condemnation at all for what he did in dismissing the Chargers where he was selected to go originally.


Eli announced he would or warned Chargers first, did Elway, dont remember

do remember this , i heard the news while taking a relaxing bath getting ready for surgery and and went under the water causing a flood , thats me getting ready to perform surgery not get some done to me , with me u never know ( LOL )

, at least girlfriend cleaned it up or would have been late & I was first up but had a few to do in a row so more than enough time reserved if was late

u should of seen the surgery schedules, always switching rooms pending who was done and turnaround time, person in charge was good at it though but paperwork that started clean looked more like a jigsaw puzzle after the day was done
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:35 PM

All that being said...I will always respect John Elway, Eli Manning, & the entire Manning Family no matter what. John has 2 SB rings & so does Eli so it's a moot point now I guess.

It does make you wonder if Eli Manning would have won multiple rings for San Diego though like an NFL what if question...
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:58 PM

All that being said...I will always respect John Elway, Eli Manning, & the entire Manning Family no matter what. John has 2 SB rings & so does Eli so it's a moot point now I guess.

It does make you wonder if Eli Manning would have won multiple rings for San Diego though like an NFL what if question...


I just can't picture Phillip Rivers in NY though. However with that spectacular Giants line, amazing pass rush, and Rivers quick release of the ball who knows right?

Can you imagine what Peyton could do with that line? WOW!!! In any case, what's done is done & Denver looks fantastic! I'm rooting for Ya man...Go kick some NFL caboose Yoda! haha :worthy: :thmup:
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:06 PM

I find it ironic that very few people hold QB Eli Manning to the same standard considering he was drafted by San Diego and he clearly rejected where he was drafted to go as well. Not a criticism of anyone on here per say just an observation.

Eli takes no condemnation at all for what he did in dismissing the Chargers where he was selected to go originally. Considering how the Manning Family is NFL royalty in this country, as they should be, I find it strange that no one in the Manning family faces scrutiny for not going where you were drafted to go. Eli Manning did the same thing John Elway did. Let's be fair here. Thank you.

I was a kid at the time, and a lifelong utterly devoted Baltimore Colts fan. Everything about Elway smacked of arrogant jerk - I didn't like the guy even before the draft. He had leverage which I lived through him actually utilizing - after the draft - loudly and clearly against the Colts. He personally irreparably damaged the franchise. One could easily make the argument that they would still be in Baltimore if not for him - which amongst other things would have allowed me to conceive of seeing a home game once in awhile.

Eli had no leverage what-so-ever, and I don't recall Eli saying anything. It was his father who was in the news. Obnoxious, but largely meaningless. What was he going to do, sit at home without a paycheck? Yeah, right. The Chargers didn't have to do a darn thing.

The actual irony in this situation is the involvement of Ernie Accorsi in both situations - and it's not a co-incidence. The Elway situation was all about Accorsi being bullied and desperate, stuck between two incredibly unpleasant people (Elway and Irsay). The Manning situation was all about Accorsi REALLY wanting Manning, and perhaps wanting to in some way fix an itch that had been torturing him for decades. The trade didn't have to happen, and far from being irreparably damaged, one could make the argument that the Chargers made out like bandits in the deal - with Accorsi once again being swindled.

Regardless, I don't hold this against Eli partially because I couldn't care less, and partially because all sides were delighted with the way it worked out. I don't think that the situations are comparable at all.

If only the Colts had drafted Marino or Kelly instead. Or at least Dickerson - because that way the incomparably incompetent Jim Irsay wouldn't have set back the franchise ANOTHER decade by later trading for him.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:17 PM

I'm no expert on the 2012 NFL Playoffs scenarios, but I hope that the Broncos & the Colts don't face either other. I would be so torn like asking a mother to decide which child she loves the most. I can't do it. I'd be an emotional wreck man. :oops: :whew: :Yikes: :sigh:
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

I'm no expert on the 2012 NFL Playoffs scenarios, but I hope that the Broncos & the Colts don't face either other. I would be so torn like asking a mother to decide which child she loves the most. I can't do it. I'd be an emotional wreck man. :oops: :whew: :Yikes: :sigh:

Either way your both a winner and a loser,but if i have to lose to someone,no one id rather loose too :thmup: if that makes any sense

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:57 PM

southwest1, on 07 December 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

I'm no expert on the 2012 NFL Playoffs scenarios, but I hope that the Broncos & the Colts don't face either other. I would be so torn like asking a mother to decide which child she loves the most. I can't do it. I'd be an emotional wreck man. :oops: :whew: :Yikes: :sigh:

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Either way your both a winner and a loser,but if i have to lose to someone,no one id rather loose too :thmup: if that makes any sense

Sorry gang but not for me, That's the game I want most first over all!! If its a lose than it's a lose to me as a Colt. I cherish the opportunity to meet the Enemy and that is now what he is to me he's no longer a Colt and he's my Enemy and that's all it is to me!! Peyton's been known to blow and chock a few in his day when it gets down to the nitty gritty 9-10 in playoffs not counting
SB's So hit us with your best shot!!! And then again were not officially there just yet. But if we do end up playing peyton I say again, HIT US WITH YOU BEST SHOT FIRE AWAY!!!! OOOO YEA!!!!



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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:13 PM

Sorry gang but not for me, That's the game I want most first over all!! If its a lose than it's a lose to me as a Colt. I cherish the opportunity to meet the Enemy and that is now what he is to me he's no longer a Colt and he's my Enemy and that's all it is to me!! Peyton's been known to blow and chock a few in his day when it gets down to the nitty gritty 9-10 in playoffs not counting
SB's So hit us with your best shot!!! And then again were not officially there just yet. But if we do end up playing peyton I say again, HIT US WITH YOU BEST SHOT FIRE AWAY!!!! OOOO YEA!!!!

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But you've made it clear in other posts that you don't like Peyton anyway, so it's not exactly as if you are conflicted - which many of us are. We might as well poll Patriots fans. It's like asking me if I (as a Rutgers fan) was torn when the Broncos played the Bucs recently. Ah, no. Shiano is a jerk. I'm quite happy that he is no longer coaching Rutgers - even if I puff my chest out occasionally about some of the accomplishments that he is responsible for. If the Broncos had stomped him un-mercilessly I would have been delighted - much as you apparently hope to be.

However Pat Benatar is something that I can agree on - regardless of what the question is. :P

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:20 PM

I find it ironic that very few people hold QB Eli Manning to the same standard considering he was drafted by San Diego and he clearly rejected where he was drafted to go as well. Not a criticism of anyone on here per say just an observation.

Eli takes no condemnation at all for what he did in dismissing the Chargers where he was selected to go originally. Considering how the Manning Family is NFL royalty in this country, as they should be, I find it strange that no one in the Manning family faces scrutiny for not going where you were drafted to go. Eli Manning did the same thing John Elway did. Let's be fair here. Thank you.

I agree with you. I really don't like what Eli did either.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:53 PM

But you've made it clear in other posts that you don't like Peyton anyway, so it's not exactly as if you are conflicted - which many of us are. We might as well poll Patriots fans. It's like asking me if I (as a Rutgers fan) was torn when the Broncos played the Bucs recently. Ah, no. Shiano is a jerk. I'm quite happy that he is no longer coaching Rutgers - even if I puff my chest out occasionally about some of the accomplishments that he is responsible for. If the Broncos had stomped him un-mercilessly I would have been delighted - much as you apparently hope to be.

However Pat Benatar is something that I can agree on - regardless of what the question is. :P


Sorry but never said I didn't like Peyton although yes I'm not a true fan of his like a lot of people here are..All that matters to me are the Colts in the here and now and that's how it has been for me since 1958 and that's the way it will stay till death do us part!!
OK I must admit if maybe it was Johnny U (who made me a Colts Fan 1958) playing us I would have second thoughts about it? On
second thought NAhhh!! Sorry DAD!! (Johnny U) We would have to whip your butt too and that's the way it is and always will be!!! AND STILL WANT TO SEE Colts Broncos game it would be the most emotional and most exciting for all to see for what its.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:11 PM

But you've made it clear in other posts that you don't like Peyton anyway, so it's not exactly as if you are conflicted - which many of us are. We might as well poll Patriots fans. It's like asking me if I (as a Rutgers fan) was torn when the Broncos played the Bucs recently. Ah, no. Shiano is a jerk. I'm quite happy that he is no longer coaching Rutgers - even if I puff my chest out occasionally about some of the accomplishments that he is responsible for. If the Broncos had stomped him un-mercilessly I would have been delighted - much as you apparently hope to be.

However Pat Benatar is something that I can agree on - regardless of what the question is. :P


Good choice there MAC! I just don't want Indianapolis and Denver to turn into "Fire & Ice" though. haha Care to back me up on this one Pat Benator? Drum roll please...Here we go! :thmup:

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:21 PM

Sorry but never said I didn't like Peyton although yes I'm not a true fan of his like a lot of people here are..All that matters to me are the Colts in the here and now and that's how it has been for me since 1958 and that's the way it will stay till death do us part!!
OK I must admit if maybe it was Johnny U (who made me a Colts Fan 1958) playing us I would have second thoughts about it? On
second thought NAhhh!! Sorry DAD!! (Johnny U) We would have to whip your butt too and that's the way it is and always will be!!! AND STILL WANT TO SEE Colts Broncos game it would be the most emotional and most exciting for all to see for what its.

That's fine. It certainly would be an exiting matchup. You can understand my confusion though. You often refer matter of factly to Peyton's "tendency to choke" (in my opinion an absurd miss-characterization that is normally only uttered by non-Colts fans or trolls), and the implication I derive is that you would take particular pleasure in seeing Peyton lose. That contrasts sharply with the sentiments of those of us who would consider such a loss painful to behold. Frankly I'm not sure that I would even watch the game, I certainly wouldn't derive any pleasure from it either way - which kind of defeats the benefit of the excitement that you refer to. I would find the prospect of that match-up horrendous.

By the way, I've been a Colts fan since 67-68, and I loved Unitas (and Jones) as well. Both had cruel endings to their career that inspired some disgust with the organization, and I'm quite sure that if either had left the team in their prime, I would have been just as conflicted as I am now. Regardless I am a Colts fan. Always have been, always will be.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

Actually, both MAC & Cs4 deserve equal credit for superior musical tastes. I just got momentarily confused about who replied to whom. Nice job fellas!

Either way Peyton Manning & Andrew Luck know that they are both "Paying The Cost To Be The Boss"...Last musical post on this topic moderators I promise.




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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

That's fine. It certainly would be an exiting matchup. You can understand my confusion though. You often refer matter of factly to Peyton's "tendency to choke" (in my opinion an absurd miss-characterization that is normally only uttered by non-Colts fans or trolls), and the implication I derive is that you would take particular pleasure in seeing Peyton lose. That contrasts sharply with the sentiments of those of us who would consider such a loss painful to behold. Frankly I'm not sure that I would even watch the game, I certainly wouldn't derive any pleasure from it either way - which kind of defeats the benefit of the excitement that you refer to. I would find the prospect of that match-up horrendous.

By the way, I've been a Colts fan since 67-68, and I loved Unitas (and Jones) as well. Both had cruel endings to their career that inspired some disgust with the organization, and I'm quite sure that if either had left the team in their prime, I would have been just as conflicted as I am now. Regardless I am a Colts fan. Always have been, always will be.


Excellent post MAC. Couldnt have said it better.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:42 PM

That's fine. It certainly would be an exiting matchup. You can understand my confusion though. You often refer matter of factly to Peyton's "tendency to choke" (in my opinion an absurd miss-characterization that is normally only uttered by non-Colts fans or trolls), and the implication I derive is that you would take particular pleasure in seeing Peyton lose. That contrasts sharply with the sentiments of those of us who would consider such a loss painful to behold. Frankly I'm not sure that I would even watch the game, I certainly wouldn't derive any pleasure from it either way - which kind of defeats the benefit of the excitement that you refer to. I would find the prospect of that match-up horrendous.

By the way, I've been a Colts fan since 67-68, and I loved Unitas (and Jones) as well. Both had cruel endings to their career that inspired some disgust with the organization, and I'm quite sure that if either had left the team in their prime, I would have been just as conflicted as I am now. Regardless I am a Colts fan. Always have been, always will be.


All I can say to this is I'll take pleasure in whom ever the Colts beat!! I'm a Colts fan and no ones else!! Period!! Makes no different who it is Broncs are any of them!! Win or lose its since 1958 GO COLTS AND NO ONE ELSE HAS MY HEART BUT THE COLTS!!! TILL DEATH DO ME PART!!!

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

That's fine. It certainly would be an exiting matchup. You can understand my confusion though. You often refer matter of factly to Peyton's "tendency to choke" (in my opinion an absurd miss-characterization that is normally only uttered by non-Colts fans or trolls), and the implication I derive is that you would take particular pleasure in seeing Peyton lose. That contrasts sharply with the sentiments of those of us who would consider such a loss painful to behold. Frankly I'm not sure that I would even watch the game, I certainly wouldn't derive any pleasure from it either way - which kind of defeats the benefit of the excitement that you refer to. I would find the prospect of that match-up horrendous.

By the way, I've been a Colts fan since 67-68, and I loved Unitas (and Jones) as well. Both had cruel endings to their career that inspired some disgust with the organization, and I'm quite sure that if either had left the team in their prime, I would have been just as conflicted as I am now. Regardless I am a Colts fan. Always have been, always will be.


This was indeed a very nice piece of prose my friend. You certain have me beat in the Colts loyalty longevity department. I admire that.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

Actually, both MAC & Cs4 deserve equal credit for superior musical tastes. I just got momentarily confused about who replied to whom. Nice job fellas!

Either way Peyton Manning & Andrew Luck know that they are both "Paying The Cost To Be The Boss"...Last musical post on this topic moderators I promise.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:21 PM

All I can say to this is I'll take pleasure in whom ever the Colts beat!! I'm a Colts fan and no ones else!! Period!! Makes no different who it is Broncs are any of them!! Win or lose its since 1958 GO COLTS AND NO ONE ELSE HAS MY HEART BUT THE COLTS!!! TILL DEATH DO ME PART!!!


I think and feel most people have the same sediment, is that Peytons situation was unique and completely different than any other in history. We're talking about a serious injury that could have ended his career all together. Never played another snap. He is a medical miracle in the sense he over came so much adversity.
The situation was not one of such where he was past his prime and not performing nor one where the Colts could have 'done better' without him due to him.
I think colts fans became very emotionally involved with him as a person and player through his surgeries and franchise playing, adding what he did for Indianapolis as a city as well. He turned a predominatly basketball city into an unrivalled football crazy lovin town.
He did more than just play QB for the Colts. He built a foundation for future Colts football greatness.
That alone is to be commended and admired no matter where he hangs his helmet or what logo is painted on the side.
You cannot deny what he did nor should anyone be harassed or 'called out' due to supporting him and wishing him another Super Bowl ring.
I think he deserves that.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

I think and feel most people have the same sediment, is that Peytons situation was unique and completely different than any other in history. We're talking about a serious injury that could have ended his career all together. Never played another snap. He is a medical miracle in the sense he over came so much adversity.
The situation was not one of such where he was past his prime and not performing nor one where the Colts could have 'done better' without him due to him.
I think colts fans became very emotionally involved with him as a person and player through his surgeries and franchise playing, adding what he did for Indianapolis as a city as well. He turned a predominatly basketball city into an unrivalled football crazy lovin town.
He did more than just play QB for the Colts. He built a foundation for future Colts football greatness.
That alone is to be commended and admired no matter where he hangs his helmet or what logo is painted on the side.
You cannot deny what he did nor should anyone be harassed or 'called out' due to supporting him and wishing him another Super Bowl ring.
I think he deserves that.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:18 AM

I think and feel most people have the same sediment, is that Peytons situation was unique and completely different than any other in history. We're talking about a serious injury that could have ended his career all together. Never played another snap. He is a medical miracle in the sense he over came so much adversity.
The situation was not one of such where he was past his prime and not performing nor one where the Colts could have 'done better' without him due to him.
I think colts fans became very emotionally involved with him as a person and player through his surgeries and franchise playing, adding what he did for Indianapolis as a city as well. He turned a predominatly basketball city into an unrivalled football crazy lovin town.
He did more than just play QB for the Colts. He built a foundation for future Colts football greatness.
That alone is to be commended and admired no matter where he hangs his helmet or what logo is painted on the side.
You cannot deny what he did nor should anyone be harassed or 'called out' due to supporting him and wishing him another Super Bowl ring.
I think he deserves that.


I have no problem with that at all I Totally agree!!. But I don't exactly know what you mean about (should anyone be harassed or 'called out' due to supporting him) that certainly was not me I don't do things like that I believe people have a right to like who ever they want and I respect that. What I would have a problem with is if Colts do play Broncos if some would hope that Manning
and Broncos kick our butts then I would question their loyalty to this team and wonder what they are doing here. Haven't heard
anything like that but some times I do wonder about that by what some say. Just saying. But as I said my heart is and has always been with the Colts no matter who we play cannot be any other way.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:56 AM

All that being said...I will always respect John Elway, Eli Manning, & the entire Manning Family no matter what. John has 2 SB rings & so does Eli so it's a moot point now I guess.

It does make you wonder if Eli Manning would have won multiple rings for San Diego though like an NFL what if question...


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:52 AM

That contrasts sharply with the sentiments of those of us who would consider such a loss painful to behold. Frankly I'm not sure that I would even watch the game, I certainly wouldn't derive any pleasure from it either way - which kind of defeats the benefit of the excitement that you refer to. I would find the prospect of that match-up horrendous.


Beautifully expressed. I feel this particular match-up painful as well, though I'm coming from a different place. I've followed Andrew here, and while I've ultimately benefited from the Colts' (probably) sound decision to go with him, I was sad (and moved) to see Peyton in so much pain which was publicly displayed in that press conference. I want Peyton to win a ring or two with us, and I don't want him to lose to the Colts. It would be too cruel. I know Andrew would be fine. He will probably bring a decade + of enjoyment and hopefully multiple rings to this club. And I would be the first Broncos fan to root for the Colts. If anyone doubted your loyalty to the Colts because you still root for Peyton, that's bogus. It's not for anyone else to say.

And sorry about what Elway did to the Colts. My husband was at Stanford then, and he thought the Colts was a horrible organization with a horrible owner, and Elway did what he could. Regardless, he deserves to be disliked for that. I have no idea how Elway feels about his action now or if he thinks of it at all. But he surely is not the same guy. And as you said, how he's treated Peyton shows a different side of Elway. After reading Peter King's article (I think), I said to my husband "Elway landed Peyton by being caring." I hope he continues to earn back some respect he lost when he was young and arrogant.






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    Girl I'm interested likes the Steelers, maybe this will be an interesting Sunday when the time comes.

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      21 Oct
    Bogie

    Golden Dawn comes tonight, Ministry marathan before Halloween

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