Ballard pre-draft presser

[NewColtsFan]

28 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Blackmon got extended to a one year deal. Not a ringing endorsement. He also got extended because of no depth and Cross and Thomas do not have the coaches confidence.

FWIW:  sometimes when a player like Blackmon gets a one year deal it’s the players call as much if not more than the front office.   The player believes in themselves and are wanting a one year deal so they can go back into free agency sooner.  They view a multiyear deal as below market value.   Blackmon’s deal has a base plus incentives.  It’s not an insult. 

[Moosejawcolt]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

FWIW:  sometimes when a player like Blackmon gets a one year deal it’s the players call as much if not more than the front office.   The player believes in themselves and are wanting a one year deal so they can go back into free agency sooner.  They view a multiyear deal as below market value.   Blackmon’s deal has a base plus incentives.  It’s not an insult. 

Players dont want to play on a one year deal. If he was seen as a valuable safety, the Colts would have signed him to a long term extension. There is no doubt that Blackmon wanted one as well, but he has not proved anyting that would warrant a raise and/or a long term deal. Look at the players they resigned to extensions this year. The ones they signed long term, were seen as no brainers by the front office. Blackmon is not a stellar safety.  When you listen to Blackmon's comments, I never get the  sense that he wanted to a one year deal.

[Moosejawcolt]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

FWIW:  sometimes when a player like Blackmon gets a one year deal it’s the players call as much if not more than the front office.   The player believes in themselves and are wanting a one year deal so they can go back into free agency sooner.  They view a multiyear deal as below market value.   Blackmon’s deal has a base plus incentives.  It’s not an insult. 

Plus, you dont think that Ballard would have been pushing for a long term deal if he was a play making safety? Signing players to an extension is seen as a sign that as a GM, you made a good pick because the player made it to a 2nd contract. I dont consider a one year deal a second contract plus Ballard boasts that you want to make the effort to keep your guys. Plus, if Blackmon was worth it, another team would have signed him to a deal. The interest wasnt there and he came back to the Colts

[jvan1973]

6 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Plus, you dont think that Ballard would have been pushing for a long term deal if he was a play making safety? Signing players to an extension is seen as a sign that as a GM, you made a good pick because the player made it to a 2nd contract. I dont consider a one year deal a second contract plus Ballard boasts that you want to make the effort to keep your guys. Plus, if Blackmon was worth it, another team would have signed him to a deal. The interest wasnt there and he came back to the Colts

Yet,  so many want diggs or simmons.   What team are they on?

[richard pallo]

3 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Players dont want to play on a one year deal. If he was seen as a valuable safety, the Colts would have signed him to a long term extension. There is no doubt that Blackmon wanted one as well, but he has not proved anyting that would warrant a raise and/or a long term deal. Look at the players they resigned to extensions this year. The ones they signed long term, were seen as no brainers by the front office. Blackmon is not a stellar safety.  When you listen to Blackmon's comments, I never get the  sense that he wanted to a one year deal.

The only reason he didn’t get a longer deal was because of his injury history.  It’s unfortunate because he was having a great year last year until the end when he missed those games.  Teams are not going to pay him long term until he proves he can stay healthy.  He even said that was the reason he couldn’t secure a longer deal.   The best place for him to do a prove it deal is with the Colts.  He already knows the system and players.

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Players dont want to play on a one year deal. If he was seen as a valuable safety, the Colts would have signed him to a long term extension. There is no doubt that Blackmon wanted one as well, but he has not proved anyting that would warrant a raise and/or a long term deal. Look at the players they resigned to extensions this year. The ones they signed long term, were seen as no brainers by the front office. Blackmon is not a stellar safety.  When you listen to Blackmon's comments, I never get the  sense that he wanted to a one year deal.

I always love when you explain football to me as if I’m new to the sport and new to the Colts!   Talk about LOL?!? 
 

Haven’t you heard the term “pillow contract” ???    It implies a nice soft place to land for a short period of time — one year.  A good thing, not a bad. 
 

But many players don’t want a multi-year deal coming off a off-season where they don’t get the offers they expected to.  So they do a 1-year pillow contract so they can give themselves a chance to have a good year and then cash-in big a year from now.  
 

And I always love when you ignore what I wrote in the previous post so I’m forced to turnaround and repeat my comments with the hope they finally register.   It’s a very Moose-thing you do.  

[Moosejawcolt]

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

I always love when you explain football to me as if I’m new to the sport and new to the Colts!   Talk about LOL?!? 
 

Haven’t you heard the term “pillow contract” ???    It implies a nice soft place to land for a short period of time — one year.  A good thing, not a bad. 
 

But many players don’t want a multi-year deal coming off a off-season where they don’t get the offers they expected to.  So they do a 1-year pillow contract so they can give themselves a chance to have a good year and then cash-in big a year from now.  
 

And I always love when you ignore what I wrote in the previous post so I’m forced to turnaround and repeat my comments with the hope they finally register.   It’s a very Moose-thing you do.  

The open market dictates your value in the league. If Blackmon has a great year and can prove he is the guy, then I am sure it will warrant an extension by the Colts and/or another team.

[NewColtsFan]

8 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Plus, you dont think that Ballard would have been pushing for a long term deal if he was a play making safety? Signing players to an extension is seen as a sign that as a GM, you made a good pick because the player made it to a 2nd contract. I dont consider a one year deal a second contract plus Ballard boasts that you want to make the effort to keep your guys. Plus, if Blackmon was worth it, another team would have signed him to a deal. The interest wasnt there and he came back to the Colts

You’re going to love this answer coming within seconds of my responding to your previous post.   
 

If you would occasionally slow down and stop posting like you’re on a game show where the post is how many posts can you make in as short amount if time as possible.  
 

Ballard may have offered a multiyear deal?   Maybe yes?   Maybe no.  But whether he did or not they settled on a one year deal with incentives.   He can make decent money.   There’s no downside here.  Both sides are fine.  The one person who isn’t is you.   The arguments you make are not hard to poke holes in.   
 

Thats enough from this post.  I now have to respond to yet another post from you.  

[jvan1973]

4 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

The open market dictates your value in the league. If Blackmon has a great year and can prove he is the guy, then I am sure it will warrant an extension by the Colts and/or another team.

Its incredible the insight you have on the NFL market and how it works.   

[Moosejawcolt]

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Its incredible the insight you have on the NFL market and how it works.   

So disagree that the market dictates your value to the league and even inflates it on the 1st day? If he was seen as a legit starting SS by the league, I am sure he would have been offered an extension by the Colts and/or another team. Its pretty simple actually. I honestly dont know why people on here are opposing my views on Blackmon. He is just a good safety and that is it. Due to injuries and play, he has not established himself as anyting other than slightly average.

[jvan1973]

Just now, Moosejawcolt said:

So disagree that the market dictates your value to the league and even inflates it on the 1st day? If he was seen as a legit starting SS by the league, I am sure he would have been offered an extension by the Colts and/or another team. Its pretty simple actually. I honestly dont know why people on here are opposing my views on Blackmon. He is just a good safety and that is it. Due to injuries and play, he has not established himself as anyting other than slightly average.

Why is Justin Simmons still a FA?

[Moosejawcolt]

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Why is Justin Simmons still a FA?

Exactly!! The market has spoken and most likely Simmons and his agent overvalue his worth.  One thing we know about the NFL, they will overpay. They go hard the 1st day and overpay and most teams spend their money. The money is usually gone and the dust settles. Got this from PFF who most people love on this site. 

"It’s important to Julian Blackmon is a good player, but the free agent is far from perfect. His 68.3 PFF grade made him the 38th-best safety out of 95 eligible players, but that’s largely due to his coverage abilities. The safety missed seven tackles last year, finishing the season with a below-average 59.2 grade against the run.

If teams are looking for a box safety, Julian Blackmon is not the free agent they should be targeting. However, in today’s pass-happy NFL, you need a player who can discourage deep shots" What i find alarming from this is Blackmon's strengths are suppose to be against the run and weakness against the pass lol

[jvan1973]

24 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:

Exactly!! The market has spoken and most likely Simmons and his agent overvalue his worth.  One thing we know about the NFL, they will overpay. They go hard the 1st day and overpay and most teams spend their money. The money is usually gone and the dust settles. Got this from PFF who most people love on this site. 

"It’s important to Julian Blackmon is a good player, but the free agent is far from perfect. His 68.3 PFF grade made him the 38th-best safety out of 95 eligible players, but that’s largely due to his coverage abilities. The safety missed seven tackles last year, finishing the season with a below-average 59.2 grade against the run.

If teams are looking for a box safety, Julian Blackmon is not the free agent they should be targeting. However, in today’s pass-happy NFL, you need a player who can discourage deep shots" What i find alarming from this is Blackmon's strengths are suppose to be against the run and weakness against the pass lol

I'm surprised you used PFF.  You seem to fancy yourself a scout.   Maybe somethings in the inner workings of the NFL aren't what you think they are. 

[ProblChld32]

On 4/22/2024 at 5:01 AM, VikingsFanInChennai said:

Agreed on possibility of getting a great talent and WR1 outside the top receivers but need to get it right and the board has to fall favorably, and sometimes that might need a trade-up which may be unfavorable for the Colts. However, if the team believes in him that much, cost shouldn't be a hindrance ideally, and willingness to give up would be the question mark. 

The need to get it “right” falls on the scouting department and the coaching staff at the end of the day. Trading up just doesn’t make sense. I could understand if it were a WIN NOW mode, but this roster is atleast a year or two from being able to compete for a Lombardi. You don’t mortgage draft capital under those circumstances.

[CoachLite]

2 hours ago, ProblChld32 said:

The need to get it “right” falls on the scouting department and the coaching staff at the end of the day. Trading up just doesn’t make sense. I could understand if it were a WIN NOW mode, but this roster is atleast a year or two from being able to compete for a Lombardi. You don’t mortgage draft capital under those circumstances.

You can't measure what is "right" in a vacuum, or just by "feel". It takes so much more than that. The Colts front office performance is judged in relationship with all the other teams in the NFL. Just trying to objectively align the different perspectives of the scouting and coaching staff requires more sophisticated evaluation methods than what we saw in the video.

 

It doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling, but I understand this is the way a lot of organizations work.

[lollygagger8]

Regardless of Ballard's talk about the current CB room, I think he's still taking a CB in 1st round 

[stitches]

19 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

Regardless of Ballard's talk about the current CB room, I think he's still taking a CB in 1st round 

The talk + lack of a player who fits all his criteria, makes me think we don't take CB in R1... and possibly at all... followed with probably adding some vet presence in FA after the draft. 

[ChuggaBeer]

7 hours ago, ProblChld32 said:

The need to get it “right” falls on the scouting department and the coaching staff at the end of the day. Trading up just doesn’t make sense. I could understand if it were a WIN NOW mode, but this roster is atleast a year or two from being able to compete for a Lombardi. You don’t mortgage draft capital under those circumstances.

Sometimes you have to make moves to set yourself up to be in win now mode.  Maybe next yr could be win now mode. If you add some of the pieces this yr.   If you just plug away without taking chances how do you get to the win now mode?

 

BTW.  I don't expect Ballard to trade up.  Nor am I pushing that he does.   But there are a couple of real difference makers that are within striking distance this yr.    Hopefully we are drafting in the late 20's next yr and wont have this opportunity 

[Superman]

2 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

Regardless of Ballard's talk about the current CB room, I think he's still taking a CB in 1st round 

 

Is that because you don't believe him? Or do you think his comments are being overblown?

[ProblChld32]

17 hours ago, CoachLite said:

You can't measure what is "right" in a vacuum, or just by "feel". It takes so much more than that. The Colts front office performance is judged in relationship with all the other teams in the NFL. Just trying to objectively align the different perspectives of the scouting and coaching staff requires more sophisticated evaluation methods than what we saw in the video.

 

It doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling, but I understand this is the way a lot of organizations work.

My response was in regards to another posted suggesting that the Colts need to get the pick right when it comes to picking a WR. I agree with you .

[CoachLite]

10 hours ago, ProblChld32 said:

My response was in regards to another posted suggesting that the Colts need to get the pick right when it comes to picking a WR. I agree with you .

If we are being chased by a bear, I don't have to run faster than the bear, I just have to run faster than you. That's the nature of the Colt's front office performance compared with all other NFL front offices. You can't optimize any system by optimizing the performance of any one component. You have to optimize the system as a whole given the constraints posed by any particular components (so-called Theory of Constraints).

[jvan1973]

4 minutes ago, CoachLite said:

If we are being chased by a bear, I don't have to run faster than the bear, I just have to run faster than you. That's the nature of the Colt's front office performance compared with all other NFL front offices. You can't optimize any system by optimizing the performance of any one component. You have to optimize the system as a whole given the constraints posed by any particular components (so-called Theory of Constraints).

What does this even mean?   Elaborate 

[ProblChld32]

12 hours ago, CoachLite said:

If we are being chased by a bear, I don't have to run faster than the bear, I just have to run faster than you. That's the nature of the Colt's front office performance compared with all other NFL front offices. You can't optimize any system by optimizing the performance of any one component. You have to optimize the system as a whole given the constraints posed by any particular components (so-called Theory of Constraints).

I’ll be honest, you lost me bro lol.

[CoachLite]

20 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

What does this even mean?   Elaborate 

When measuring the Colt's front office drafting strategy and performance, they don't have to be perfect, just should just be better than all other teams in the NFL. This relative performance can be measured. It isn't a subjective, arbitrary value. It's often dumbed down to a simple letter grade, like in grade school.

 

These techniques are used by all sorts of companies to evaluate strengths / weaknesses the competition, and to do self-assessments for future improvements over a period of several years.