Colts have 4th pick (Official Discussion Thread)

[richard pallo]

9 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Just a hypothetical here since there seems to be a discussion in sports media. If bears decided to trade fields and take young or stroud what do you think chances are Fields  would be a colt?

I think the chances would be very high if they go that route.  I would be good with this years 1st, a starting player and a conditional 2nd.  If the conditional 2nd becomes a 1st we have our guy.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

9 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Just a hypothetical here since there seems to be a discussion in sports media. If bears decided to trade fields and take young or stroud what do you think chances are Fields  would be a colt?

Bears aren't trading him, why would they. He now has NFL experience and is basically on the same level as Young and Stroud. I think Young and Stroud may be better but that is not a given. Bears will draft Will Anderson, remember this post. 

[tweezy32]

10 hours ago, Stephen said:

The thing that is appealing about Richardson is he is 6 4 238 and probably runs 4.4. I think we could win immediately with him especially if harbaugh is the coach. Him and taylor would be a nightmare to defend. Obviously his passing must improve but his running should keep the team afloat til then.

we need a qb, not another running back. id rather have a qb that can throw then run.

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, tweezy32 said:

we need a qb, not another running back. id rather have a qb that can throw then run.

We would have both with Young, he can pass and run.

[krunk]

11 hours ago, ClaytonColt said:

Yes it's an "if" but we need a plan given its a possibility? So what it is?

 

There's one definite QB needy team above us, two who wouldn't massively hurt themselves by a trade down and three teams behind us who who are screaming out for a solution at that position. The danger couldn't be aligning any more clearly.

 

And I don't disagree with your tier theory in general but if you don't believe in the QB why are we picking them at #4 anyway? If you don't love them don't pick them, if you do love them make sure you get them.

 

There's no point falling in love with Stroud (for example) through the process and then watching the Raiders, Falcons or Panthers jumped into 3rd and take them and then shugging our shoulders and saying "ah well, at least we've got our #1 pick next year eh?"

 

 

Because its an investment market at the end of the day. If you put all the emotional stuff aside like "liking" or "loving" a prospect. All that predraft scouting, combines and all that are done to attach values to each prospect. Once you set your values you let it play out. Especially since there are few guarantees. You dont disregard your board just bc you love or need xyz QB. If after all that it does not make any sense to mortgage the future then you cant do it. Now if Ballard disagrees with East Street on the subject and does see a Peyton Manning somewhere then im sure you will see us mortagage the future and that will be something they knew they would do going into it.  If you see us stay at #4 then that means we did not see a Peyton and we are not only happy with what is left over at 4, but it also means theres somebody we feel will work for us beyond your scenario of "what if all 3 qbs get drafted?". In that case you will probably see us trade back a few spots and then take one of the other QBs. You have a plan for each scenario is what you do and roll with it.

[tweezy32]

Fields is not good, why would anyone want to give up a 1st for him? 

[tweezy32]

1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

We would have both with Young, he can pass and run.

ill take that over a qb that can run but still needs to work on his passing. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

ill take that over a qb that can run but still needs to work on his passing. 

He is pretty accurate. Some are concernd that he only weighs 195 pounds but as I was explaining yesterday because of diet and training he will put on 15-20 pounds of muscle in the NFL. Hurts was 205 in college and he is now 223. Look at his college pics compared to now.

[krunk]

Richardson reminds me of a faster Brissett.

[tweezy32]

4 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He is pretty accurate. Some are concernd that he only weighs 195 pounds but as I was explaining yesterday because of diet and training he will put on 15-20 pounds of muscle in the NFL. Hurts was 205 in college and he is now 223. Look at his college pics compared to now.

if weight is the biggest issue for some people that they need to gain weight then thats a good thing lol especially in the nfl, gaining weight wont be an issue.

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

if weight is the biggest issue for some people that they need to gain weight then thats a good thing lol especially in the nfl, gaining weight wont be an issue.

I don't think so either. I see it all the time because on the pro level, players always gain muscle mass. That happens in the NFL and NBA all the time. Michael Jordan gained 20 pounds of muscle to be able to be physical against Detroit back in the 90's and that was 30 years ago and that was basketball. 

[#12.]

Ideally, they can get a QB they're happy with at #4.  With Miami forfeiting its 1st, our second rounder is now close to being another 1st.  You would rather use it yourself.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[DattMavis]

2 hours ago, krunk said:

Richardson reminds me of a faster Brissett.

Peyton had a faster 40 time than Brissett. Richardson would be one of the top 5 fastest players on this roster. Not saying I necessarily want him, but outside of their size, I don’t see the comp. Brissett was always a very low ceiling QB.
Richardson has the speed and arm strength to be a cross between Lamar and Josh Allen. He could certainly bust due to decision making and accuracy concerns, but he has the highest physical ceiling for a QB in this draft.

[chad72]

2 hours ago, krunk said:

Richardson reminds me of a faster Brissett.

 

Brissett was always hesitant to throw it further down the field, Richardson has top notch wheels and throws it farther, completely different prospect. I don't see it at all.

[chad72]

1 hour ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

 

 

He is Cam Newton/Lamar Jackson hybrid 2.0 with his running speed in between them and actually a slightly better passer than both of them coming out of college. I will be just as happy with him if Ballard chooses to go that way.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

2 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

He is Cam Newton/Lamar Jackson hybrid 2.0 with his running speed in between them and actually a slightly better passer than both of them coming out of college. I will be just as happy with him if Ballard chooses to go that way.

Looks a lot like what we are seeing from Fields right now.

[chad72]

1 minute ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Looks a lot like what we are seeing from Fields right now.

 

It could be

 

Lamar - 4.34

Fields - 4.46

Cam Newton - 4.59

 

I expect AR to be in the Fields to Cam Newton range for the 40 time. Lamar is a different level on the running side.

[NorthernColt]

3 hours ago, krunk said:

Richardson reminds me of a faster Brissett.

I usually agree with alot of your stuff Krunk, but I do not see this AT ALL.

[masterlock]

3 hours ago, krunk said:

Richardson reminds me of a faster Brissett.

Out of all the QB comparisons, you pick Brissett? Not Lamar? Not Fields? Interesting. From what I've seen of him, he's every bit the athlete and runner/scrambler/improviser that Lamar is. He's flat-out dangerous. IF--and I know this is a big 'if'--he can improve his accuracy and mental processing at the NFL level, he'll be a terror for opposing defenses. 

[stitches]

29 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

He is Cam Newton/Lamar Jackson hybrid 2.0 with his running speed in between them and actually a slightly better passer than both of them coming out of college. I will be just as happy with him if Ballard chooses to go that way.

He's not a better passer than them coming out of college. I don't think. 

[krunk]

41 minutes ago, DattMavis said:

Peyton had a faster 40 time than Brissett. Richardson would be one of the top 5 fastest players on this roster. Not saying I necessarily want him, but outside of their size, I don’t see the comp. Brissett was always a very low ceiling QB.
Richardson has the speed and arm strength to be a cross between Lamar and Josh Allen. He could certainly bust due to decision making and accuracy concerns, but he has the highest physical ceiling for a QB in this draft.

Brissett has always had a gun but gun shy. Thats why he threw the hail mary for Luck in the Eagles game. Hes always had a gun. Brisett cant read coverages and neither can Richardson. The only thing really different is Richardson can run. 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Richardson might be a good pick for a team that is winning and has a older QB or a good bridge so he has time to develop. That’s probably why he would not be considered for  the Colts.

[chad72]

12 minutes ago, stitches said:

He's not a better passer than them coming out of college. I don't think. 

 

Cam Newton was better than Lamar, I will give you that, on the passing front. However, AR seems a little more polished than Lamar but then, with college talent running away from inferior talent, very hard to judge. We will see how his combine throwing drills go.

[07dleigh]

3 hours ago, tweezy32 said:

Fields is not good, why would anyone want to give up a 1st for him? 

 

huh? 

[stitches]

3 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Cam Newton was better than Lamar, I will give you that, on the passing front. However, AR seems a little more polished than Lamar but then, with college talent running away from inferior talent, very hard to judge. We will see how his combine throwing drills go.

I disagree. Nothing in Anthony RIchardson's passing game is polished. He's super raw and inconsistent. You don't throw 53% completion in college if you are good passing QB. 

[chad72]

3 minutes ago, stitches said:

I disagree. Nothing in Anthony RIchardson's passing game is polished. He's super raw and inconsistent. You don't throw 53% completion in college if you are good passing QB. 

 

To be fair, Josh Allen was 56% completion in college. Just in recent years, we saw Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts both improve it by 10% over 3 years. Yes, he does need a redshirt year, no doubt but you can see the potential. That is why it is called "Prospecting".  

[tweezy32]

9 minutes ago, 07dleigh said:

 

huh? 

are you confused to what is said or something? looks pretty comprehendible to me.

[07dleigh]

4 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

are you confused to what is said or something? looks pretty comprehendible to me.

 

I am. He was playing at MVP level the second half of the season! 

 

You genuinely don't think he's worth a 1st?

[RollerColt]

31 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Richardson might be a good pick for a team that is winning and has a older QB or a good bridge so he has time to develop. That’s probably why he would not be considered for  the Colts.

Richardson would be a good fit for a team like the Seahawks honestly. He could sit under Geno for a year and then ball out the next. 

[stitches]

15 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

To be fair, Josh Allen was 56% completion in college. Just in recent years, we saw Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts both improve it by 10% over 3 years. Yes, he does need a redshirt year, no doubt but you can see the potential. That is why it is called "Prospecting".  

That's why I'm intrigued by him. The potential. The high end. The ceiling. There are so many NFL-type things all over his tape... things you see from Allen, Herbert, Hurts, Mahomes, Lamar in there... but at this point those are mostly flashes of brilliance and he needs a ton of work to get to the level of those players on a snap-to-snap basis. That's why I said he's not at the level of Lamar or Cam Newton coming into the league. They were much better and much more consistent passers than him. 

[Stephen]

4 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Richardson would be a good fit for a team like the Seahawks honestly. He could sit under Geno for a year and then ball out the next. 

Take richardson in the first and hooker in the second. One will be the starter and the other a backup

[ADnum1]

Richardson is not an accurate passer.

[Stephen]

1 minute ago, PRnum1 said:

Richardson is not an accurate passer.

Not at the moment. Its a mechanic thing for him. A year or two fixing that and he's an mvp canidate

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

9 minutes ago, RollerColt said:

Richardson would be a good fit for a team like the Seahawks honestly. He could sit under Geno for a year and then ball out the next. 

Or Tampa if Brady comes back.  

[tweezy32]

10 minutes ago, 07dleigh said:

 

I am. He was playing at MVP level the second half of the season! 

 

You genuinely don't think he's worth a 1st?

MVP level are you crazy lol? just because he can run the ball doesnt mean hes playing at a crazy level. we dont need a running back as a qb. we need a passer as a qb. look at his stats his passing yards atrocious 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Richardson interviews are going to decide where he goes because there is no denying is athletic ability. is he a good leader? How hard does he work? How smart is he where he can pick up how to read nfl defenses.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Kevin Bowen made a good point with Seahawks. They also have like the 20th pick. They could be a attractive trade up with bears if colts are not careful . Bears would then have 5 and 20.  Seattle really needs dline and with carter and Anderson possibly off the board if is something to keep a eye on.

[chad72]

7 minutes ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:

Kevin Bowen made a good point with Seahawks. They also have like the 20th pick. They could be a attractive trade up with bears if colts are not capable. Bears would then have 5 and 20.  Seattle really needs dline and with carter and Anderson possibly off the board if is something to keep a eye on.

 

If we get to 4 and both the top 2 QBs (Young, Stroud) are gone, and the Lions want to move up from 6 to 4 (to get ahead of Bears who swapped with Seahawks) and give us 4, 48 and 59 (both their 2nd rounders, not an exact match but likely cost of moving up), would you jump on it?

 

I would. We might still be able to get one of the QBs we want.

 

 

[ADnum1]

16 minutes ago, Stephen said:

Not at the moment. Its a mechanic thing for him. A year or two fixing that and he's an mvp canidate

To draft Richardson in the first round would be way over drafting him.

 

He had some highlight plays but he wasn't very good this year for Florida.

 

I would wait until the 4-6 rounds