Ranking the Edge Rushers (Best fit for Colts)

[BleedBlu8792]

7 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Derek Barnett surprised me. I once saw him as a "safe" pick. Now I see that him as a borderline explosive player. The 6.96 (3 Cone) is just plain awesome at 265 pounds. He has the 6'3" height which is close enough to prototypical. The only negative is the 4.88 forty, but the dude was sick. If he improves on his forty at his Pro Day then it will get very interesting. 

 

During his forty, the cameras showed Pagano, and he was certainly paying very close attention. 

 

He has to be on our radar. 

The comparisons to Bosa have been spot on so far.

[BleedBlu8792]

3 minutes ago, wig said:

 

He definitely bettered my perception of him. Would be a great pick in the 2nd. 

 

He compares favorably to Clay Matthews. He's pretty much matched Matthews' combine numbers and at 10lbs heavier. Great motor and heart, and everything else to back it up. 

[GoColts00]

1 hour ago, BlueShoe said:

If I had to make a choice right now based on what we know today, (and my mind will surely change as the process evolves) I would take Reddick at #15 and then target Jordan Willis or Derek Rivers in the second. 

That's exactly what I was thinking also... Reddick in the 1st & Willis in the 2nd. 

[BlueShoe]

Just now, GoColts00 said:

That's exactly what I was thinking also... Reddick in the 1st & Willis in the 2nd. 

 

If we walk away with that one-two punch then I will be smiling from ear-to-ear.

 

I think it is possible Willis improved himself so much that he could be talked about as a first rounder. From third round prospect to first round prospect in a day.

[GoColts00]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

 

If we walk away with that one-two punch then I will be smiling from ear-to-ear.

 

I think it is possible Willis improved himself so much that he could be talked about as a first rounder. From third round prospect to first round prospect in a day.

I would be ecstatic!!

Unfortunately for the Colts you may be right

[Track Guy]

10 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

The comparisons to Bosa have been spot on so far.

 

I can see some Bosa in Barnett, but overall he might comp better to Nick Perry. 

Jordan Willis has put an exclamation point beside his name today. Wow, he tested well. And T.J. Watt had a pretty good day too. 

[Andrew Luck fan club]

20 minutes ago, wig said:

 

Which site are you using? 

They're advanced combine metrics by Jim Coburn

[Andrew Luck fan club]

6 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

I believe if all Colts fans were polled, the consensus would be the Colts need to draft at least one Edge Rusher. 

 

Myles Garrett	EDGE	6'5"	270	Texas A&M
Solomon Thomas	EDGE	6'3"	273	Stanford
Taco Charlton	EDGE	6'6"	272	Michigan
Haason Reddick	EDGE	6'2'	237	Temple
Tim Williams	EDGE	6'4"	252	Alabama
Derek Barnett	EDGE	6'3"	265	Tennessee
Takkarist McKinley	EDGE	6'2'	265	UCLA
Charles Harris	EDGE	6'3"	255	Missouri
Ryan Anderson	EDGE	6'2'	258	Alabama
T.J. Watt	EDGE	6'5"	243	Wisconsin
Carl Lawson	EDGE	6'2'	253	Auburn
Demarcus Walker	EDGE	6'4"	280	Florida St.
Jordan Willis	EDGE	6'4"	255	Kansas St.
Noble Nwachukwu	EDGE	6'2'	275	West Virginia
Dawuane Smoot	EDGE	6'3"	255	Illinois
Ejuan Price	EDGE	6'0"	255	Pittsburgh
Derek Rivers	EDGE	6'4"	250	Youngstown St.
Hunter Dimick	EDGE	6'3"	274	Utah
Dylan Donahue	EDGE	6'3"	240	West Georgia
Devonte Fields	EDGE	6'2'	236	Louisville
Josh Carraway	EDGE	6'3"	241	TCU
Tashawn Bower	EDGE	6'6"	253	LSU
Trey Hendrickson	EDGE	6'4"	270	Florida Atlantic
Vince Biegel	EDGE	6'3"	242	Wisconsin
Lewis Neal	EDGE	6'2'	272	LSU
Keionta Davis	EDGE	6'3"	274	Tennessee-Chattanooga
Darius English	EDGE	6'6"	245	South Carolina

 

 

They recently did have a poll for fans. 

 

[vipro58]

Alot of interesting comments and perspective fellow colts fans:

 

I will share my quick opinion based on coming into the combine and finishing up combine ( pass rushers, linebackers, hybrids ) 

 

I think:

1) best players coming in were - M. Garret & S. Thomas - after combine today & prior info on these guys - I don't see any shot these guys around at 15  (if get really lucky maybe Thomas, but have to get real lucky)

2) coming into today based on mock drafts & best fits were -

Tier1 : D. Barnett, T. Charlton, T. Mckinley

- based on combine results and colts article on website (combine results for potential targets), also 

- i believe overall D. Barnett did the best because his speed, prior overall production from college ( dependable and safe ) - experts said he would not test well - that he is great college player but wouldn't translate well into nfl or  he is not athlete enough  and his moves wont work on better offensive tackles in nfl  ( alot similar things they were saying about  Joey Bosa last year - great production in college, but not good combine stats - long story short - we all know how good Joey Bosa is year later)   D. Barnett is good/safe/dependable - we need to hit on 1st round just like last year - overall he would be best balance player

- T. charlton - was said to have speed/twitch - his combine results didn't show that - based on how others did today - ( reddick, c. harris, j. willis - i could see now T. charlton slipping ) 

- T. mckinley - his speed was great - as we were all expecting - but based on his other results in combine - will be raw player who will need to be coached up alot, also his shoulder surgery will cause him to miss OTA and training camp - long story short - too many variables that could result in 1st rd pick not working out with him - (now if he slipped and we got later then worth it )

- based other performers and how draft goes: these guys maybe 3 months back heading were 1st round possibility but maybe these guys slip and can get later round ( also throw T. williams - because he had red flag coming in with off the field stuff - then didnt have great combine results - throw in other players doing better - i don't think u gamble with him on 1st rd draft pick - maybe he slides 2nd round - then maybe worth considering

- fallers: ( T. Charlton, T. Mckinley, T. Williams,  Z. Cunningham ) 

 

Players who really improved/risers draft stock at combine:

( Reddick, C. Harris,    J. Willis, C. Lawson, D. Rivers, R. McMillan )

 

Best Player/Value for 1st round - #15 pick 

Tier1:

1) D. Barnett

2) H. Reddick

3) C. Harris

 

Best Player/Value for 2nd round - #14 (46)

1) whoever is available:

( J. Willis, C. Lawson, D. Rivers,  R. McMillan )

or if get lucky and drop/slipped players ( T. Charlton, T. Mckinley, T. Williams,  Z. Cunningham ) 

 

Later rounds - 3rd,4th etc:

Def: ( T. Hendrickson, T. Basham, D. Riley, L. Ogunjobi, T. Bowser )

Off: - Rb: ( K. Hunt, J. Mixon, J. Williams )

 

 

I think this would be the best draft for colts above - as if now - based on info we have now - things can still

change from now till draft. 

 

( fyi - I am not gonna waste time to say if we should take offensive player - cuz bottomline - i think we all know that we have to improve defense more - because of lack of playmakers, older players on def, etc 

also on offense we have - Luck, Gore, Hilton, Moncreif/Dorsett, Allen, improving offensive line, good Off-cord  - i think they can hold their own that we don't waste 1st rd pick on offense for ( rb or offensive line)

 

What u think fellow - colts fans..

[Tmoney]

10 hours ago, Boomstick1 said:

 

 

During the interview that this picture was taken he said he's willing to play both. Will do whatever the team that drafts him wants him to do. This guy is assuming things

[Tmoney]

7 hours ago, GoColts00 said:

That's exactly what I was thinking also... Reddick in the 1st & Willis in the 2nd. 

That would be deadly, but I also want a corner in this crazy deep class. 1st round corners will still be there at our 2nd round pick I'm sure of it.

[Defjamz26]

15 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Yep. Definitely would like to see us draft at least two Edge Rushers. 

 

Mayock believes FSU's DeMarcus Walker, Ohio's Tarell Basham, Kansas State's Jordan Willis, or Villanova's Tanoh Kpassagnon are good fits for the Colts.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788115/article/2017-nfl-draft-mayocks-potential-team-fits-for-prospects

 

As far as ranking them by expected round to be drafted, I haven't got that far yet.

 

Walker would need to drop a bunch of weight to play in a 3-4. He's 280 and his game is mostly about power. Even then he's a stretch. Jordan Willis, I like. Basham I see as a 3rd round guy you develop to play rush LB after 2 years. I also like Charles Harris if he's there in the 2nd

[Defjamz26]

10 hours ago, backshoulderfade said:

Barnett put up great numbers while sick. Best bend in the draft. Good hands. Good against the run.

Gotta say he was a big surprise. 4.8 isn't terrible when sick and he did show a lot of bend for a guy most thought couldn't play outside in a 3-4. If he can get his 40 to like 4.6-4.7 at his pro day I think he's in the same tier as a guy like Thomas.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

 

FWIW.

[BleedBlu8792]

3 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

FWIW.

After his combine? He's not making out of the top 10...

[Andrew Luck fan club]

19 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

FWIW.

He said he likes the system, could play OLB or 5 tech.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

20 minutes ago, BleedBlu8792 said:

After his combine? He's not making out of the top 10...

 

Maybe. There are so many deep position groups in this draft, it'll be really easy for a lot of teams to go BPA and still fill a need in the first round. Considering how rare that is, nothing would surprise me.

[stitches]

9 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

He said he likes the system, could play OLB or 5 tech.

Just in case you guys missed it from the other thread here's Solomon Thomas' comparison vs Justin Houston:

 

Justin Houston vs Solomon Thomas

 

Height: 6'3" vs 6'3"

Weight: 270 vs 273

Arm Length: 34.5" vs 33"

Bench press: 30 reps vs 30 reps

40 yards dash: 4.68 vs 4.69

10 yards split: 1.62 vs 1.66

3 cone: 6.95 vs 6.95

20 shuttle: 4.37 vs 4.28

Vertical Jump: 36.5" vs 35"

Broad Jump: 125" vs 126"

 

It's spooky how similar their testing is.

[NewColtsFan]

On 3/5/2017 at 11:43 AM, BlueShoe said:

 

Yep. Definitely would like to see us draft at least two Edge Rushers. 

 

Mayock believes FSU's DeMarcus Walker, Ohio's Tarell Basham, Kansas State's Jordan Willis, or Villanova's Tanoh Kpassagnon are good fits for the Colts.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788115/article/2017-nfl-draft-mayocks-potential-team-fits-for-prospects

 

As far as ranking them by expected round to be drafted, I haven't got that far yet.

 

 

The Villanova kid is not on your list.    At all.

 

Just a heads-up.      

 

[NewColtsFan]

On 3/5/2017 at 8:36 PM, vipro58 said:

Alot of interesting comments and perspective fellow colts fans:

 

 

I will share my quick opinion based on coming into the combine and finishing up combine ( pass rushers, linebackers, hybrids ) 

 

 

I think:

1) best players coming in were - M. Garret & S. Thomas - after combine today & prior info on these guys - I don't see any shot these guys around at 15  (if get really lucky maybe Thomas, but have to get real lucky)

2) coming into today based on mock drafts & best fits were -

Tier1 : D. Barnett, T. Charlton, T. Mckinley

- based on combine results and colts article on website (combine results for potential targets), also 

- i believe overall D. Barnett did the best because his speed, prior overall production from college ( dependable and safe ) - experts said he would not test well - that he is great college player but wouldn't translate well into nfl or  he is not athlete enough  and his moves wont work on better offensive tackles in nfl  ( alot similar things they were saying about  Joey Bosa last year - great production in college, but not good combine stats - long story short - we all know how good Joey Bosa is year later)   D. Barnett is good/safe/dependable - we need to hit on 1st round just like last year - overall he would be best balance player

- T. charlton - was said to have speed/twitch - his combine results didn't show that - based on how others did today - ( reddick, c. harris, j. willis - i could see now T. charlton slipping ) 

- T. mckinley - his speed was great - as we were all expecting - but based on his other results in combine - will be raw player who will need to be coached up alot, also his shoulder surgery will cause him to miss OTA and training camp - long story short - too many variables that could result in 1st rd pick not working out with him - (now if he slipped and we got later then worth it )

- based other performers and how draft goes: these guys maybe 3 months back heading were 1st round possibility but maybe these guys slip and can get later round ( also throw T. williams - because he had red flag coming in with off the field stuff - then didnt have great combine results - throw in other players doing better - i don't think u gamble with him on 1st rd draft pick - maybe he slides 2nd round - then maybe worth considering

- fallers: ( T. Charlton, T. Mckinley, T. Williams,  Z. Cunningham ) 

 

 

Players who really improved/risers draft stock at combine:

( Reddick, C. Harris,    J. Willis, C. Lawson, D. Rivers, R. McMillan )

 

 

Best Player/Value for 1st round - #15 pick 

Tier1:

1) D. Barnett

2) H. Reddick

3) C. Harris

 

 

Best Player/Value for 2nd round - #14 (46)

1) whoever is available:

( J. Willis, C. Lawson, D. Rivers,  R. McMillan )

or if get lucky and drop/slipped players ( T. Charlton, T. Mckinley, T. Williams,  Z. Cunningham ) 

 

 

Later rounds - 3rd,4th etc:

Def: ( T. Hendrickson, T. Basham, D. Riley, L. Ogunjobi, T. Bowser )

Off: - Rb: ( K. Hunt, J. Mixon, J. Williams )

 

 

 

 

I think this would be the best draft for colts above - as if now - based on info we have now - things can still

change from now till draft. 

 

 

( fyi - I am not gonna waste time to say if we should take offensive player - cuz bottomline - i think we all know that we have to improve defense more - because of lack of playmakers, older players on def, etc 

also on offense we have - Luck, Gore, Hilton, Moncreif/Dorsett, Allen, improving offensive line, good Off-cord  - i think they can hold their own that we don't waste 1st rd pick on offense for ( rb or offensive line)

 

 

What u think fellow - colts fans..

 

Have you downgraded McKinley due to his surgery?

 

Or due to something at the combine?      Because he had a good combine.

 

[AZColt11]

On 3/5/2017 at 7:56 PM, Majin Vegeta said:

Just heard TJ watt say the one word that defines his play is -- GRITT. If he lasts to the 2nd, it's all but gauranteed he will be a Colt. 

If TJ Watt falls to us in the 2nd I will do backflips.......and I can't do backflips.

[BlueShoe]

3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Have you downgraded McKinley due to his surgery?

 

Or due to something at the combine?      Because he had a good combine.

 

 

Not sure I could disagree with the that statement anymore than I do.

 

McKinley's workout all but proved he doesn't have the bend to be a 34 Edge Rusher. Maybe he makes it as a 43 DE?

 

I don't want him on the Colts. 

 

I believe we should run... and run far away from him. 

 

Just my two cents. 

[Andrew Luck fan club]

16 minutes ago, AZColt11 said:

If TJ Watt falls to us in the 2nd I will do backflips.......and I can't do backflips.

There's a good chance he will. I'm expecting good value to still be there at our 2nd. 

[BOTT]

On 3/5/2017 at 5:17 PM, Dirty Mudflaps said:

 

Thats funny - I'm 180 degrees from you.  

 

We knew Takk had speed.  But he literally failed to follow instructions and didn't perform three of the drills correctly today.  I saw maybe 5 total mistakes today from all participants.  And three were by Takk.  That makes me really worry about his ability to be coached, attention to detail, whatever you want to call it.  And he's as raw technique-wise as they come.  And that doesn't get into his shoulder.   I came away the exact opposite as you - pre-combine I was a huge Takk guy.  Today, I wouldn't draft him at 15.  

See the QB, run after the QB.

[Reboot]

28 minutes ago, BOTT said:

See the QB, run after the QB.

I wouldn't expect him to be able to reattach a severed digit to my hand so that I had full functionality, but he has to play OLB too.  He certainly won't just pin his ears back every down.  Well, he can, but he'd be fairly useless on most downs.  He had months to practice the drills.  They don't change.  And he couldn't - didn't - get any right.  That worries me.

 

[akcolt]

On 3/5/2017 at 3:56 PM, Majin Vegeta said:

Just heard TJ watt say the one word that defines his play is -- GRITT. If he lasts to the 2nd, it's all but gauranteed he will be a Colt. 

I was not on the Watt bandwagon but the combine changed that. I would prefer Willis and a couple of other guys if they slide. TJ is definitely someone I'd look for in the 2nd. The knee injuries still concern me.

 

 

[OhioColt]

Others are projecting OLB Takkarist McKinley here but my analysis is he is a pure bull rusher that attacks the ball carrier and dedicated to attacking the Quarterback.  Initial concerns are if he can play pass coverage?   Will struggle vs better offensive lineman and be contained.  Takkarist can play both ends but see him if selected as a ROLB which is a big void for us.  Stanford’s LT #75 A. T. Hall contained him very well this year and may have to continue to watch young Mr. Hall next year see where he is projected by the NFL.  The Colts definitely need help at ROLB position and Takkarist would be a very likely addition.  If so hopes he is not another Round 1 Bjoern Werner bust if Takkarist struggled to gain game momentum versus Stanford’s Mr. Hall and better NFL caliber OTs. Sad thing is after looking at Stanford's team #75 wasn't even listed as their starter...imo pass on TakkRound 1 would like to see us add an ILB like Reuben Foster or Haason Reddick

 

 

[Superman]

On 3/7/2017 at 9:57 AM, stitches said:

Just in case you guys missed it from the other thread here's Solomon Thomas' comparison vs Justin Houston:

 

Justin Houston vs Solomon Thomas

 

Height: 6'3" vs 6'3"

Weight: 270 vs 273

Arm Length: 34.5" vs 33"

Bench press: 30 reps vs 30 reps

40 yards dash: 4.68 vs 4.69

10 yards split: 1.62 vs 1.66

3 cone: 6.95 vs 6.95

20 shuttle: 4.37 vs 4.28

Vertical Jump: 36.5" vs 35"

Broad Jump: 125" vs 126"

 

It's spooky how similar their testing is.

 

That's uncanny. 

 

As for Thomas, he actually reminds me of Aaron Donald. He's smaller, but the way they play and how they're used is very similar. I wonder about him as an edge rusher, but he's just too good to not find a spot for him, in any front.

 

In any event, he won't make it to #15. He won't even make it to #13 like Donald did. 

[BOTT]

On 3/9/2017 at 3:41 AM, OhioColt said:

Others are projecting OLB Takkarist McKinley here but my analysis is he is a pure bull rusher that attacks the ball carrier and dedicated to attacking the Quarterback.  Initial concerns are if he can play pass coverage?   Will struggle vs better offensive lineman and be contained.  Takkarist can play both ends but see him if selected as a ROLB which is a big void for us.  Stanford’s LT #75 A. T. Hall contained him very well this year and may have to continue to watch young Mr. Hall next year see where he is projected by the NFL.  The Colts definitely need help at ROLB position and Takkarist would be a very likely addition.  If so hopes he is not another Round 1 Bjoern Werner bust if Takkarist struggled to gain game momentum versus Stanford’s Mr. Hall and better NFL caliber OTs. Sad thing is after looking at Stanford's team #75 wasn't even listed as their starter...imo pass on TakkRound 1 would like to see us add an ILB like Reuben Foster or Haason Reddick

 

 

 

Worring about his pass coverage would be pretty low on my list of concerns about a pass rusher.