Way, Way Early Mock Offseason

[tvturner]

As always, I'm not a cap guru, and this year I haven't paid as much attention to college players so apologies if some of it seems off.

 

Re-Sign:

Butler 2 years 5m

Todman 2 years 1.75m

Turbin 2 years 2.75m

Doyle 4 years 4.5m

Adams 1 year 2m

 

Cut: 

Art Jones saves 5.2m

D'Qwell Jackson saves 5.5m

Kendall Langford saves 4.25

 

Restructure:

Dwayne Allen (if he does it) saves 2.2m

 

Cap at 61.15 million (I think)

 

Free Agency Signings: 

Ron Leary G 2 years 5.5 mill

Chandler Jones OLB 4 years 37 mill

Stephon Gilmore CB 5 years 60 mill

Zach Brown ILB 3 years 19 mill

 

Whichever one KC doesn't re-sign

Dontari Poe DT 4 years 45 mill

Eric Berry S 4 years 50 mil

 

Cap at 18.35 million 

 

Draft: 

R1: Derek Barnett DE Tennessee

R2: Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan

R3: Devonte Fields OLB Louisville

R4: Brian Hill RB Wyoming

R4: Ryan Glasgow DT Michigan

R5: Will Holden OT Vanderblit

R6: Jon Heck North OT North Carolina

 

Not perfect of course, but thoughts?

[BelieveinColts]

Interesting mock draft, thanks for sharing. I might prefer more Linebackers and running backs  in draft more than O- lineman, because I personally feel our o-line will develop into a good o-line, we are seeing improvement in a lot of areas like pass protection( few sacks allowed, except in Jaguars game yesterday, run blocking has improved immensely, we need to work on preventing those skill move twists and stuff.

 

I will resign all those players, Turbin has played great for us in the red zone, and 3rd down, he's earned it. Todman is good for depth, I don't believe we will re- structure Allen's contract, he didn't play great this year, he knows that, he has talent. Doyle pay the man lol. I believe Frank will return, he's earned it.

 

Free agents are on point fits areas of need, and what about adding Nick Perry in free agency ? He's been very disruptive he's a great talented player. The one thing I don't agree with is cutting Langford, I agree take the older players out, we need to get younger, but I feel when Langford is healthy he plays pretty good. Trent Cole we cut, he's been playing better, but his age. Im so glad we don't have to cut Robert Mathis, I'm glad he left on his own terms. I believe Grigson should leave and we need to replace him. Maybe Peyton. Robert Mathis can help coach too. I love Pagano he's a great guy and motivator but not a great coach  so sadly fire  him, we have gave him chances to improve he hasn't. I wish him the best sucess  though, I wish it was in Indy, it will be sad if he's fired, but for the best. 

 

  I think Dorsett, T.J Green, Geathers, Edwin Jackson, Antonio Morrison, Hassan Ridgeway, Henry Anderson and others  will develop into better young players next year. 

 

 

One last thing who do we hire as head coach and GM? We need to change this culture. Yes we need to stay nice and humble. We need more  fight and knowledge of the game. Better play calls, game plans and etc.. I am sick of all these poor starts, 4th quarter deficits, and ruining Luck's prime. Hopefully we get this fixed and become great. To think after the Packer game ( my second favorite team) that they would continue to win and make playoffs. Shame on me lol. And Pass rush! Keep Luck healthy. So to all Colts fans let's get Luck and the Colts  a Lombardi trophy. 

[BOTT]

Why do people want to cut Langford?

[Mr. Irrelevant]

4 minutes ago, BOTT said:

Why do people want to cut Langford?

I don't get it either. And we definitely needs one or two ILB in the draft, IMHO.

[richard pallo]

Very good attempt.  If we sign the FA's you suggest then taking a RB at one is guaranteed I think.  You have three instant starters on defense maybe four. The biggest need then becomes RB.  I would keep Langford though. 

[gacoop1]

Include Dalvin Cook in the mix, you can't go wrong,.

[SP_21]

I love Stephon Gilmore but I don't think he's worth that kind of money. He's very talented and has played very well in the past but he got burned way too much this season. To be fair the whole Buffalo defense regressed this season so it may be because of the scheme or coaching. Still I wouldn't drop that kind of money on him. 

[That Guy]

If we cut Art Jones, do you think his little brother Chandler might get a bad feeling about joining us?

[tvturner]

13 hours ago, BOTT said:

Why do people want to cut Langford?

I only cut him here because adding Jones, Fields, Poe, and Barnett, I don't really find where he'd play. Anderson, and I expect Ridgeway will get more playing time next year

[tvturner]

12 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Very good attempt.  If we sign the FA's you suggest then taking a RB at one is guaranteed I think.  You have three instant starters on defense maybe four. The biggest need then becomes RB.  I would keep Langford though. 

But with the defense that we get in the free agency and draft, it's a different ball game. We'd be in the playoffs if the current defense didn't blow 3-4 games

[akcolt]

On 1/2/2017 at 6:35 AM, BOTT said:

Why do people want to cut Langford?

He's our best pass rushing DL. It makes perfect sense because we can save $4M. The improvements we can make to the DL with $4M are limitless. 

 

I think we are going to have some disappointed folks when it comes to free agent signings as well. 

[Defjamz26]

I don't think Barnett is a 3-4 OLB. He's much better suited for a 4-3 strong side DE role. I think if you're going to look OLB round 1, you want to look at McKinley or Harris.

[Valpo2004]

On 1/2/2017 at 3:30 AM, AndyLuck said:

As always, I'm not a cap guru, and this year I haven't paid as much attention to college players so apologies if some of it seems off.

 

Re-Sign:

Butler 2 years 5m

Todman 2 years 1.75m

Turbin 2 years 2.75m

Doyle 4 years 4.5m

Adams 1 year 2m

 

Cut: 

Art Jones saves 5.2m

D'Qwell Jackson saves 5.5m

Kendall Langford saves 4.25

 

Restructure:

Dwayne Allen (if he does it) saves 2.2m

 

Cap at 61.15 million (I think)

 

Free Agency Signings: 

Ron Leary G 2 years 5.5 mill

Chandler Jones OLB 4 years 37 mill

Stephon Gilmore CB 5 years 60 mill

Zach Brown ILB 3 years 19 mill

 

Whichever one KC doesn't re-sign

Dontari Poe DT 4 years 45 mill

Eric Berry S 4 years 50 mil

 

Cap at 18.35 million 

 

Draft: 

R1: Derek Barnett DE Tennessee

R2: Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan

R3: Devonte Fields OLB Louisville

R4: Brian Hill RB Wyoming

R4: Ryan Glasgow DT Michigan

R5: Will Holden OT Vanderblit

R6: Jon Heck North OT North Carolina

 

Not perfect of course, but thoughts?

 

Are your numbers on the re-signed guys total for the contract or on a yearly basis?  I assume based on your signings from outside you are doing it total for contract.

 

If it's total for the contract you are underpaying Doyle terribly, your contract has him at just above 1M per year which for a vet is just a slight bit over league minimum.  He's probably worth about 4 to 5 mil per year at this point.  I really can't see him taking any contract that pays him less then 3M per year.  

 

I think either way you slice it you are overpaying Turbin as well.  Turbin essentially came here on a league minimum deal.  If you look at his stats there is nothing he really did here which would give any cause to think he's worth much more then the league minimum now.  He's essentially just a Short yardage specialist/fullback in our system.  

[Valpo2004]

On 1/2/2017 at 10:35 AM, BOTT said:

Why do people want to cut Langford?

 

No idea, in 2015 he was a beast and him and Anderson looked great on the DL.  

 

I get he was hurt this year but if you look at his history he's actually not in the least bit injury prone.  For a while he had the record for active DL of most consecutive starts.  

[tvturner]

18 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Are your numbers on the re-signed guys total for the contract or on a yearly basis?  I assume based on your signings from outside you are doing it total for contract.

 

If it's total for the contract you are underpaying Doyle terribly, your contract has him at just above 1M per year which for a vet is just a slight bit over league minimum.  He's probably worth about 4 to 5 mil per year at this point.  I really can't see him taking any contract that pays him less then 3M per year.  

 

I think either way you slice it you are overpaying Turbin as well.  Turbin essentially came here on a league minimum deal.  If you look at his stats there is nothing he really did here which would give any cause to think he's worth much more then the league minimum now.  He's essentially just a Short yardage specialist/fullback in our system.  

Yearly, shouldn't posted that better, and Turbin was a fantastic goal line, and 3 down back. Was very productive for this team

[Carlos Danger]

I like it... 

 

My biggest nitpick is with Lewis (CB, Michigan) in the 2nd... He's too D'Joun Smith for me. Assuming we bring Butler back (I know he said he's a full time safety, now,) I don't see the need for another slot corner, not with a 2nd, anyway. 

[gacoop1]

I think they need to focus on a homerun hitter like Dalvin Cook then and edge or trade up to obtain a quality pass rusher.  Give up next year's number one for D. Barnett this year....Is Grigson smart enough to pull this off?

[krunk]

Too many linemen

[Valpo2004]

10 hours ago, AndyLuck said:

Yearly, shouldn't posted that better, and Turbin was a fantastic goal line, and 3 down back. Was very productive for this team

 

Goal line backs are not worth that much money.  They are usually minimum salary guys.  

 

[tvturner]

3 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Goal line backs are not worth that much money.  They are usually minimum salary guys.  

 

He's been good outside of the goal line too. 

[Valpo2004]

On 1/5/2017 at 4:19 PM, AndyLuck said:

He's been good outside of the goal line too. 

 

He doesn't even have 200 rushing yards on the season.

[New Zealands #1 Colts Fan]

Im wondering how many offensive players wil be picked in the 13 picks before us.

I think there may be only 3-4 definates which means a lot of the top tier defensive players will be long gone

[tvturner]

4 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

He doesn't even have 200 rushing yards on the season.

Because he's not the starting back...? He's been fantastic in the redzone, puts effort into every run he has, and is way good for short yardage. 2.75m is really not even that much

[Seanmac90]

Doyle 4 years/4.5mill lol what??? He's gonna get paid 5-6mill per year most likely, 4 at bare minimum. I like Doyle a lot but we're already paying Allen a ton and Swoope has improved a lot. I may be in the minority but I'd let him walk.

[rock8591]

Not a chance that Doyle gets a big payday, he's only had 1 ok/good season, and part of it is due to him being a 2nd TE, also an option after the WRs so he's oftentimes uncovered. Also, I doubt he wants to go anywhere other than Indy, based on all the sources.

[rock8591]

P.S. Think of Steve Kerr or Kyle Korver making shots...yes they do it well, but don't confuse them for Ray Allen anytime. Doyle isn't the "I can create my own play" type player.

[Seanmac90]

2 hours ago, rock8591 said:

P.S. Think of Steve Kerr or Kyle Korver making shots...yes they do it well, but don't confuse them for Ray Allen anytime. Doyle isn't the "I can create my own play" type player.

 

I agree that Doyle isn't that type of player, that's why I'd let him walk. But SOMEONE will pay him based on his productivity this season, count on it.

[Colts Please Win]

Interesting draft, I feel like the ILB position should be addressed in the draft as well as free agency.

[NewColtsFan]

 

If I follow the OP's line of thought.....    he wants the Colts to sign FIVE free agents.....

 

Free Agency Signings: 

Ron Leary G 2 years 5.5 mill

Chandler Jones OLB 4 years 37 mill

Stephon Gilmore CB 5 years 60 mill

Zach Brown ILB 3 years 19 mill

 

Whichever one KC doesn't re-sign

Dontari Poe DT 4 years 45 mill

Eric Berry S 4 years 50 mil

 

 

I think the OP is going to be HUGELY disappointed.      I don't think we can afford all of them.

[Valpo2004]

54 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

If I follow the OP's line of thought.....    he wants the Colts to sign FIVE free agents.....

 

Free Agency Signings: 

Ron Leary G 2 years 5.5 mill

Chandler Jones OLB 4 years 37 mill

Stephon Gilmore CB 5 years 60 mill

Zach Brown ILB 3 years 19 mill

 

Whichever one KC doesn't re-sign

Dontari Poe DT 4 years 45 mill

Eric Berry S 4 years 50 mil

 

 

I think the OP is going to be HUGELY disappointed.      I don't think we can afford all of them.

 

We might be able to this year, but you have to consider where their contracts might put us in a year or 2 down the road.  

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

We might be able to this year, but you have to consider where their contracts might put us in a year or 2 down the road.  

 

I think the signing bonuses alone would end this idea.....

 

I don't see Irsay writing so many large signing bonus checks.    This is far, far more than what we did in 2013.    Hard for me to see that happening.....

 

[richard pallo]

I read where Ariens said they would franchise Jones if they couldn't come to an agreement. So I guess we can cross him off our wish list. 

[rock8591]

6 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

If I follow the OP's line of thought.....    he wants the Colts to sign FIVE free agents.....

 

Free Agency Signings: 

Ron Leary G 2 years 5.5 mill

Chandler Jones OLB 4 years 37 mill

Stephon Gilmore CB 5 years 60 mill

Zach Brown ILB 3 years 19 mill

 

Whichever one KC doesn't re-sign

Dontari Poe DT 4 years 45 mill

Eric Berry S 4 years 50 mil

 

 

I think the OP is going to be HUGELY disappointed.      I don't think we can afford all of them.

 

Pay the man but don't overpay! Half the veteran's minimum should be good!!